Retro. "Spurs could have had Scola here. They chose Bonner instead".

[MultiTroll]

Hey look 5 took a great amount of sting out of the Bonner/Finley Era 2008 - 2013 :pop:.
Was reading over an older post and......
Amid the previous Scola or not speculation, as to getting a real PF/SF combo was his buyout too big? etc.

I knew i had read from a solid source that the Spurs could in fact have had Lewie Scola. Here is the exact post:


The Spurs could have had Scola here. They chose Bonner instead. It wasn't a matter of being cheap. They just made a different personnel decision.

Anyone wanna guess the source?

[Leetonidas]

Who really cares at this point

[MultiTroll]

Who really cares at this point
It can't be rectified.
We now have an extremely solid 3/4 combo player in Kwahi.

But, it's an interesting storyline to Dynasty Derailed.
Would you rather read about canthinkofanythings anal warts?

[FromWayDowntown]

Obviously, nothing good has happened to the Spurs since they made that choice and Scola has become a guy that no team would ever trade.

[cantthinkofanything]

Who really cares at this point

Yeah, who cares. Having Scola may have meant they'd have had to make other personnel decisions and not have the players they had last season or now.
20/20 hindsight, I'll still take the ring and a chance for another.

[vander]

Lol " bonner/finley era". It was the turnobili/injured turnobili era, Scola would not have fixed that.

[MultiTroll]

Yeah, who cares. Having Scola may have meant they'd have had to make other personnel decisions and not have the players they had last season or now.
20/20 hindsight, I'll still take the ring and a chance for another.
Haha.
Made you post on topic.

[MultiTroll]

Lol " bonner/finley era". It was the turnobili/injured turnobili era, Scola would not have fixed that.
Noooo. No.
A 3/4 combo is exactly what we needed at the time (summer 2005 6 7 8 9) for a repeat.

[ChumpDumper]

Scola has never ever been a 3.

Sure the Spurs could have used him, but there's no need to make shit up.

[MultiTroll]

Obviously, nothing good has happened to the Spurs since they made that choice...
No the Spurs did get one Championship in 7 years.


and Scola has become a guy that no team would ever trade
You're trying to fabricate him into a superstar #1 piece.
I am correctly fitting him on the Spurs as an excellent role player. Exactly what the Spurs frontline needed at the time.

Btw good players get traded all the time.
Likewise just because someone has not been traded does not mean they are good.

[ChumpDumper]

So what?

[Blake]

What years would the Spurs have won the title had Scola ended up here?

[313]

No the Spurs did get one Championship in 7 years.


You're trying to fabricate him into a superstar #1 piece.
I am correctly fitting him on the Spurs as an excellent role player. Exactly what the Spurs frontline needed at the time.

Btw good players get traded all the time.
Likewise just because someone has not been traded does not mean they are good.
He was being sarcastic

[sinok]

In terms of defense, that would have been exactly the same.

[cantthinkofanything]

What years would the Spurs have won the title had Scola ended up here?

I was going to make a joke about Tony Parker sleeping with Scola's wife which would have led to the breakup of the lineup.

But then came across this weird pic..

http://www.athleteswives.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Luis-Scola-wife-Pamela-Scola-e1415844498634-210x300.jpg

[MultiTroll]

In terms of defense, that would have been exactly the same.
Facepalm.
Lewie Scolas defense vs Mike Finleys and Matty Bonbons?
For that matter Obertos after his one and only good year 2007.
Please.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not sure OP has ever watched Luis Scola play basketball.

[MultiTroll]

I'm not sure OP has ever watched Luis Scola play basketball.
Rumpy attempting to claim Mike Finley and Bonner both play better D then Scola.
Your basketball cred rating, already at zero has gone sub zero.

[ElNono]

No the Spurs did get one Championship in 7 years.

Actually, Matt Bonner coattailed to two rings with the Spurs... brb, gonna start a Bonner>Dirk thread downstairs

[Knoxxx]

Scola was a mistake just like Dragic or Barbosa. Thanks goodness our batting percentage is still very high and we benefitted richly from being an international player pioneering franchise.

Scola was very good when he first came into the NBA. Just because he declined a bit after that does not mean he would not have provided at least 3-4 exceptional years to the Spurs and been a perfect fit.

The debate at the time was whether his game would translate and it obviously did when he was still in his prime. He was always a PF while Duncan preferred that position strongly over center so that was likely why we passed him over at the time.

[ChumpDumper]

Rumpy attempting to claim Mike Finley and Bonner both play better D then Scola.
Your basketball cred rating, already at zero has gone sub zero.My claim is they are all pretty bad at defense for one reason or another. Kind of a wash overall.

You said Scola plays the three.

lol

[Sean Cagney]

Yeah, who cares. Having Scola may have meant they'd have had to make other personnel decisions and not have the players they had last season or now.
20/20 hindsight, I'll still take the ring and a chance for another.
This is the truth.

[BanditHiro]

wow a Scola Thread in 2015...

[Mel_13]

Revisionist history is fun, you don't have to bother with the facts.

[illusioNtEk]

Bonner forces Ibaka away from the paint.

You idiots need to trust in CIA POP

[cantthinkofanything]

Revisionist history is fun, you don't have to bother with the facts.

It would be interesting to know if Van Horn would have had a different career if he'd ended up in SA.

[Beaverfuzz]

Hey look 5 took a great amount of sting out of the Bonner/Finley Era 2008 - 2013 :pop:.
Was reading over an older post and......
Amid the previous Scola or not speculation, as to getting a real PF/SF combo was his buyout too big? etc.

I knew i had read from a solid source that the Spurs could in fact have had Lewie Scola. Here is the exact post:



Anyone wanna guess the source?


Another shitty prediction by timvp.

[Beaverfuzz]

It would be interesting to know if Van Horn would have had a different career if he'd ended up in SA.

No, he still would have stunk it up.

[cantthinkofanything]

No, he still would have stunk it up.

You think? Maybe. I thought he was going to be a better player though.

[MultiTroll]

Another shitty prediction by timvp.
Nope
Unless another of his alts.

[FlAVaK]

Scola was a mistake just like Dragic or Barbosa.

:bang

apples

oranges

and the Pacers are dumb for trading Kawhi :downspin:

[Sean Cagney]

Fucking Bonner..... Smfh.

[Beaverfuzz]

Nope
Unless another of his alts.

It was TonguePunch FartBox

[MultiTroll]

It was TonguePunch FartBox
No.
Altho if we were playing Jeopardy, the answer would be "name a game Blake Dumper likes to partake of regularly."

[Beaverfuzz]

No.
Altho if we were playing Jeopardy, the answer would be "name a game Blake Dumper likes to partake of regularly."

Jeopardy answers have to be in the form of a question.

COME ON MAN!

[MultiTroll]

Jeopardy answers have to be in the form of a question.

COME ON MAN!
I didn't want to alter your quote. :lol

[Johnsyounger]

Best front officer, possibly ever, and this is a thread....This board is in the crapper.

[Brazil]

Scola Thread !!!!

it has been a while, I miss those

[Diego20]

What years would the Spurs have won the title had Scola ended up here?


2009-2010, 2010-2011

[Mel_13]

2009-2010, 2010-2011

No. Just no.

[Brazil]

2009-2010, 2010-2011

:lol sure thing brah

[Dancelot]

Actually, Matt Bonner coattailed to two rings with the Spurs... brb, gonna start a Bonner>Dirk thread downstairs
That'll go over real well downstairs :lol

[Russ]

Retro. "Spurs could have had Scola here. They chose Bonner instead".

Actually, the Spurs could have had Scola but they chose Splitter instead.

That was the calculus, pure and simple.

Splitter messed up the plan by delaying his journey to SA by a year (the team had factored a one year delay, not two).

If you look at the timing, the Spurs drafting Splitter and giving up on Scola was within a very short period of time that championship summer (at least that's the way I remember it, and I'm too lazy to look it up to confirm). :)

But my clear recollection at the time was that the Spurs concluded that Scola was a demanding prima donna and they cast their lot with Splitter.

[Diego20]

No. Just no.

Not kidding, at least one ring in those 2 years..

[Mel_13]

Not kidding, at least one ring in those 2 years..

Sorry, but no.

[Diego20]

Sorry, but no.

If you say it then I can't disagree...









:lmao dumbass who do you think you are? I'm giving my opinion, get your ass out of here..

[Mel_13]

If you say it then I can't disagree...









:lmao dumbass who do you think you are? I'm giving my opinion, get your ass out of here..

Quality post. Superb use of adolescent insults and emoticons.

Bravo.

[Mugen]

If you say it then I can't disagree...





:lmao dumbass who do you think you are? I'm giving my opinion, get your ass out of here..

kill yourself tbh

[Diego20]

Quality post. Superb use of adolescent insults and emoticons.

Bravo.

Answering "No. Just no" to an opinion is very mature, you must be 99 years old..

[ChumpDumper]

Answering "No. Just no" to an opinion is very mature, you must be 99 years old..He was expressing his opinion of your opinion.

[RD2191]

yall niggas leave my mexican nigga diego alone, tbh

[Diego20]

He was expressing his opinion of your opinion.

Sure.. he meant I was REALLY wrong with my opinion, I don't give a fuck tho

[Mel_13]

Answering "No. Just no" to an opinion is very mature, you must be 99 years old..

You said they would win, I said they wouldn't. My opinion was every bit as valid as yours. You resorted to childish insults because someone disagreed with you. Bravo.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure.. he meant I was REALLY wrong with my opinion, I don't give a fuck thoYou kind of do tho.

[Diego20]

You kind of do tho.

I'm sure that if I wasn't saying anything about it you would be thinking the same, you know, you don't like ppl that said Parker was playing bad..

[Diego20]

You said they would win, I said they wouldn't. My opinion was every bit as valid as yours. You resorted to childish insults because someone disagreed with you. Bravo.

No. Just no.

[Mel_13]

No. Just no.

Yes.

[Diego20]

:cry

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sure that if I wasn't saying anything about it you would be thinking the same, you know, you don't like ppl that said Parker was playing bad..Why are you talking about me now?

You care about what he said.

It's not a big deal.

[Mel_13]

Changing a quoted post, yet another adolescent go to move. Bravo.

[Diego20]

Why are you talking about me now?

You care about what he said.

It's not a big deal.

I wasn't talking with you in the first place and here you are..

[ChumpDumper]

I wasn't talking with you in the first place and here you are..I don't need your permission to comment on your posting.

[Diego20]

Changing a quoted post, yet another adolescent go to move. Bravo.

You want to look mature via internet? Bravo, like I said, you must be 99 years old, old man..

[Diego20]

I don't need your permission to comment on your posting.

http://i.imgur.com/synonSr.png

[ChumpDumper]

http://i.imgur.com/synonSr.pngWhat part of that did you not understand?

[Mel_13]

You want to look mature via internet? Bravo, like I said, you must be 99 years old, old man..

So you got nothing but lame personal insults. Congrats.

[RD2191]

diego pulling a robdiaz and taking on the entire forum

[ChumpDumper]

diego pulling a robdiaz and taking on the entire forumFor no reason, just like you.

[Diego20]

What part of that did you not understand?

You want to have the last word, you think everyone is wrong and you are right, keep up with the good work..


:tu

[Mel_13]

diego pulling a robdiaz and taking on the entire forum

Hardly the entire forum, and he's failing miserably. You're able to defend yourself. He's just flailing around aimlessly.

[Diego20]

So you got nothing but lame personal insults. Congrats.

Hey look guys I'm mature, I don't change quotes and I don't use emoticons.

Really easy to be mature nowdays..

[ChumpDumper]

You want to have the last word, you think everyone is wrong and you are right, keep up with the good work..


:tuRight about what?

That the two of you were expressing opinions and nothing more?

If you have something to prove otherwise, go ahead. I'll read it.

[ElNono]

Hey look guys I'm mature, I don't change quotes and I don't use emoticons.

shut up faggot

[Diego20]

Right about what?

That the two of you were expressing opinions and nothing more?

If you have something to prove otherwise, go ahead. I'll read it.

I'm not talking about this specific thread, you are always arguing with someone..

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not talking about this specific thread, you are always arguing with someone..I wouldn't call this an argument at all.

[Diego20]

I wouldn't call this an argument at all.

See? You disagree with everything..

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

See? You disagree with everything..

:lmaoWe can argue over the characterization of this exchange if you like.

Is that what you want?

[Diego20]

We can argue over the characterization of this exchange if you like.

Is that what you want?

No point, like I said you want to have the last word, and I don't speak/write english too well for that, want to argue in spanish bro?

Keep with the troll posts, never saw you posting about Basketball here, you could have said something about Basketball in this thread but you didn't. You came here to start a fight..

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

No point, like I said you want to have the last word, and I don't speak/write english too well for that, want to argue in spanish bro?

Keep with the troll posts, never saw you posting about Basketball here, you could have said something about Basketball in this thread but you didn't. You came here to start a fight..

:lolMy first post in this thread is about basketball.

[Diego20]

My first post in this thread is about basketball.

I meant you didn't disagree with me about Basketball, you just answered me to start a fight.

[ChumpDumper]

I meant you didn't disagree with me about Basketball, you just answered me to start a fight.You were the one bitching about opinions.

[Diego20]

You were the one bitching about opinions.

lol? Mel_13 started it, not me. If you don't agree with someone just say your opinion instead, don't say "No just no". I know, saying "No just no" is an opinion but still..

[ChumpDumper]

lol? Mel_13 started it, not me. If you don't agree with someone just say your opinion instead, don't say "No just no". I know, saying "No just no" is an opinion but still..You shouldn't take "No just no" so hard. It's not a personal insult.

[K...]

Oh ho, ain't a scola thread until someone melts down. Good times guys..

Anyway we were never getting scola. He wanted mle $ on top of a buy out. In the end he would have been worth it, but just barely.

[Silver&Black]

diego pulling a robdiaz and taking on the entire forum

My nigga rob be like:

http://i.imgur.com/wseSLZf.jpg

[RD2191]

My nigga rob be like:

http://i.imgur.com/wseSLZf.jpg
:lmaodone

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Scola was the Spurs only debacle the last 15 years or so.

And it wasn't because of Bonner. It's because Duncan refused to play more of a C role which he would have had to with Scola. Funny is, after his Plantar fasciitis, Duncan hasn't had the same movement and basically did have to resume more of a center role.

Even now, Splitter guards most opposing teams power forwards, even though technically, Splitter is a C.

I think looking back, Duncan regrets this decision as the Spurs really could have used Scola's scoring and tenacity during the '08-'11 years, when Scola was in his prime.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Why do people act childish on a forum. Dude, I think this site had enough for awhile after the whole Xmas ordeal.

[spursparker9]

Don't know whether is it personal or something...Scola used to torch the Spurs during his prime years in Houston.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Don't know whether is it personal or something...Scola used to torch the Spurs during his prime years in Houston.

It was personal. He wanted to join the Spurs. Manu actually pushed him to join. It all came down to Duncan not wanting to play a different role which he eventually had to do anyways.

[ChumpDumper]

I doubt Duncan had anything to do with Scola at all.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I doubt Duncan had anything to do with Scola at all.

That was what the rumors were at the time. The Spurs could have easily signed him. You just don't let a talented player like Scola was in his prime walk for peanuts if there was a damn good reason of doing so. Scola wanted to start, and he was a PF, the position Duncan played at the time. With the injuries to Manu, Parker, and Duncan during the '08-'011 years, Scola would have kept the Spurs in contention.

[Diego20]

Scola was the Spurs only debacle the last 15 years or so.

And it wasn't because of Bonner. It's because Duncan refused to play more of a C role which he would have had to with Scola. Funny is, after his Plantar fasciitis, Duncan hasn't had the same movement and basically did have to resume more of a center role.

Even now, Splitter guards most opposing teams power forwards, even though technically, Splitter is a C.

I think looking back, Duncan regrets this decision as the Spurs really could have used Scola's scoring and tenacity during the '08-'11 years, when Scola was in his prime.

No. Just No (read Mel_13 posts above). I agree with you tho..

[Mel_13]

No. Just No (read Mel_13 posts above). I agree with you tho..

If you had said what CWS just said, I would have have agreed with you. Interesting to see that a day after you said that you didn't give an eff what I said, you keep showing that the opposite is true.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

No. Just No (read Mel_13 posts above). I agree with you tho..

I don't think they would have won a title outright, because the Lakers were a pretty good team then. But Scola would have given them a shot. Remember when he almost single handily knocked the Lakers out in that Series. Both TMAC and Yao were out and the Rockets still took the Lakers to 6 games. Scola avg like 28 ppg and like 12 rpg that series. He played out of his mind.

Scola was a damn good player in his prime.

[Diego20]

If you had said what CWS just said, I would have have agreed with you. Interesting to see that a day after you said that you didn't give an eff what I said, you keep showing that the opposite is true.

I stopped replying your posts, didn't you see? Remember it old man, 2009-2010, 2010-2011.

[Mel_13]

I stopped replying your posts, didn't you see? Remember it old man, 2009-2010, 2010-2011.

You keep mentioning me and bringing up the content of my posts. And you just replied to my post. And CWS just disagreed with your assertion that signing Scola would have resulted in a title in 2010 or 2011, which is all that I did.

[vander]

Scola was the Spurs only debacle the last 15 years or so.


Keeping SJax would have been nice.

[Mel_13]

Keeping SJax would have been nice.

It would have been nice if his agent had returned Pop's calls. The Spurs wanted to keep him.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Keeping SJax would have been nice.

I agree with that one to. I was very disappointed he didn't come back the next season. With him, and the chemistry he had with Manu, they probably would have 3 peated in the 03' - 0'5 seasons.

I will always remember that game 6 against the Mavs when they were down by 23 and SJax and Kerr went on that 3 point shooting frenzy with Manu actually facilitating a lot of them. That was one of my most favorite Spurs game of all time. Even Drob, bad back and all was jumping around on the bench like a kid that just won a prize at some festival.

[Diego20]

You keep mentioning me and bringing up the content of my posts. And you just replied to my post. And CWS just disagreed with your assertion that signing Scola would have resulted in a title in 2010 or 2011, which is all that I did.

Nobody can know what would have happened if Scola joined the spurs.. Or you think M.Jordan would have gave us rings if he played for us? You can't really know that. IMO Spurs had a chance for at least 1 ring in those 2 years I mentioned, period.

[Mel_13]

Nobody can know what would have happened if Scola joined the spurs.. Or you think M.Jordan would have gave us 10 rings if he played for us? You can't really know that. IMO Spurs had a chance for at least 1 ring in those 2 years I mentioned, period.

Again, if you had said, as CWS did, that adding Scola would have made the Spurs a better, more competitive team, I would have agreed with you. You, however, made the simple assertion that adding Scola would have resulted in a title in 2010 or 2011. All I did was make the opposite assertion. I'm still not sure why that bothered you so much.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Nobody can know what would have happened if Scola joined the spurs.. Or you think M.Jordan would have gave us rings if he played for us? You can't really know that. IMO Spurs had a chance for at least 1 ring in those 2 years I mentioned, period.

Just to be fair and to put an end to this debate, according your post, you were making an definite statement the Spurs would have one at least one of those years. Having a chance and actually thinking they would have won one are two different things. But yes, I and even Mel agree that they could have had a chance to at least win another championship during that drought.

But its water under the bridge. Thank goodness for Hill and his playoff performance against the Mavs. Gave the Spurs the missing element to this team with Bowen's decline to age and departure when trading for Kawhi. At least the FO did rectify themselves. Spurs are the current reigning NBA champions are they not.

Just look to this year, because it looks like the Spurs are poised for another run.

[Diego20]

Again, if you had said, as CWS did, that adding Scola would have made the Spurs a better, more competitive team, I would have agreed with you. You, however, made the simple assertion that adding Scola would have resulted in a title in 2010 or 2011. All I did was make the opposite assertion. I'm still not sure why that bothered you so much.

You first said "No. Just no" and then "Sorry but no" instead of "No, I don't agree with you for XXX reasons. When somebody tell you something and you don't agree with him you tell him No just no? You also called me a kid or whatever for using emoticons..

[Blake]

I was going to make a joke about Tony Parker sleeping with Scola's wife which would have led to the breakup of the lineup.

But then came across this weird pic..

http://www.athleteswives.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Luis-Scola-wife-Pamela-Scola-e1415844498634-210x300.jpg

Scola looks like a mutant version of Ben Affleck

[Diego20]

Again, if you had said, as CWS did, that adding Scola would have made the Spurs a better, more competitive team, I would have agreed with you. You, however, made the simple assertion that adding Scola would have resulted in a title in 2010 or 2011. All I did was make the opposite assertion. I'm still not sure why that bothered you so much.

If you made the opposite assertion that would have meant Spurs had NO CHANCE of winning a ring in those 2 years.

[Mel_13]

You first said "No. Just no" and then "Sorry but no" instead of "No, I don't agree with you for XXX reasons. When somebody tell you something and you don't agree with him you tell him No just no? You also called me a kid or whatever for using emoticons..

For the last time. You provided no rationale or support for your simple assertion. Thus, there was no reason for me to detail why I disagreed with your opinion. I simply stated mine as you had stated yours. You could have replied with the rationale for your opinion, and I would have been more than happy to discuss it with you, but you chose to make childish insults instead. I simply pointed out the ineffectiveness of that sort of response. Go back and read your posts.

[Diego20]

For the last time. You provided no rationale or support for your simple assertion. Thus, there was no reason for me to detail why I disagreed with your opinion. I simply stated mine as you had stated yours. You could have replied with the rationale for your opinion, and I would have been more than happy to discuss it with you, but you chose to make childish insults instead. I simply pointed out the ineffectiveness of that sort of response. Go back and read your posts.

Somebody asked "What years Spurs could have won rings if Scola ended up here?, answered him those 2 years. At least I answered his question, you by the other hand just said "No just no". Go read your posts..

[Mel_13]

If you made the opposite assertion that would have meant Spurs had NO CHANCE of winning a ring in those 2 years.

Sorry, but no. You definitively stated that signing Scola would have resulted in a title in 2010 or 2011. The opposite of that, in my mind, is that signing Scola could not guarantee an additional title.

Keep in mind that a message board is a less that perfect method of communication and the exact meaning of a post cannot always be discerned, that's why it's worthwhile to attempt to clarify the issue before resorting to personal insults

[Mel_13]

Somebody asked "What years Spurs could have won rings if Scola ended up here?, answered him those 2 years. At least I answered his question, you by the other hand just said "No just no". Go read your posts..

That was a perfectly sufficient response to your post.

[Diego20]

Sorry, but no. You definitively stated that signing Scola would have resulted in a title in 2010 or 2011. The opposite of that, in my mind, is that signing Scola could not guarantee an additional title.

Keep in mind that a message board is a less that perfect method of communication and the exact meaning of a post cannot always be discerned, that's why it's worthwhile to attempt to clarify the issue before resorting to personal insults

The opposite of what I said, it's NOT "could not guarantee an additional title", it's "Scola wasn't going to give us a ring" <-- and this is what you actually think.

[Mel_13]

Somebody asked "What years Spurs could have won rings if Scola ended up here?, answered him those 2 years. At least I answered his question, you by the other hand just said "No just no". Go read your posts..

And the post you responded to asked "would have" not "could have". You can look it up.

[Diego20]

And the post you responded to asked "would have" not "could have". You can look it up.

Scola wasn't going to give us a ring, that's what you think, I get it.

[Mel_13]

The opposite of what I said, it's NOT "could not gunarantee an additional title", it's "Scola wasn't going to give us a ring" <-- and this is what you actually think.

We clearly disagree. Your response, in the context of the post you answered, was that signing Scola would have definitely added an additional title. The opposite of that is that signing Scola did not make an additional title a certainty.

[Mel_13]

Scola wasn't going to give us a ring, that's what you think, I get it.

Scola wasn't definitely going to give us a ring, which is the opposite of what you actually wrote.

[Diego20]

We clearly disagree. Your response, in the context of the post you answered, was that signing Scola would have definitely added an additional title. The opposite of that is that signing Scola did not make an additional title a certainty.

Yep we disagree, but this time at least you are not saying No, just no. You learn something new everyday..

[Mel_13]

Yep we disagree, but this time at least you are not saying No, just no. You learn something everyday..

If you had asked for clarification yesterday, rather than resort to childish insults, you would have these responses yesterday.

[Diego20]

If you had asked for clarification yesterday, rather than resort to childish insults, you would have these responses yesterday.

I said dumbass only once and you say INSULTS, ok..

[Mel_13]

I said dumbass only once and you say INSULTS, ok..

Seriously, that's what your going with? You went down the insult road and derailed the conversation. You approached the issue in a civil manner this morning and things went much more smoothly.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

If Scola would have been here, I highly doubt we would have picked up Diaw.

[Mel_13]

If Scola would have been here, I highly doubt we would have picked up Diaw.

Same with Jackson. If they had given him what he wanted in 2003, they may not have been able to afford both of Tony and Manu in 2004.

[Maddog]

it wasn't straightforward. Scola had a window to buyout his contract that summer and was going to be lock away if not. The Spurs because of salary cap constraints couldn't offer him enough. Houston got around it through a Chinese shoe contract. The buyout issue and many GMs concern about how his game would translate limited the Spurs trade options. The best they could do was let Houston take on Butlers salary

Per TIMVP

I thought Butler was a very good gamble at the time and I still think so in retrospect. Butler was a 20-year-old center who was about league average by every stat (even stats invented since 2006). Finding centers that young who already produce at league average rates outside of the draft is extremely rare. One that played that well under Larry Brown, who typically hates young players, is even rarer. The Spurs signing him for $5 million over two seasons made it an even better gamble.

As we now know, it didn't work out. Butler basically retired from basketball after he got that contract. He showed up to camp fat and wasn't interested in practicing hard. After his contract expired, he was never heard from again. Like I said, Butler got that contract and retired. That's why it was a gamble in the first place. Not much a team can do if a player has no interest in succeeding.

The real mistake, as others have mentioned, was using Scola to salary dump Butler after the gamble failed. The Spurs should have just held on to Butler. He wasn't making much money and that team didn't face a roster crunch. The Spurs panicked in an attempt to clean their books and made a stupid trade. Give credit to the Rockets, but it should also be noted that they basically cheated the salary cap to get Scola (Yao got Scola a lucrative shoe deal in China that was able to afford him the ability to pay for his buyout in Spain ... the Spurs obviously didn't have such a connection to maneuver around the salary cap like that).

[Mel_13]

it wasn't straightforward. Scola had a window to buyout his contract that summer and was going to be lock away if not. The Spurs because of salary cap constraints couldn't offer him enough. Houston got around it through a Chinese shoe contract. The buyout issue and many GMs concern about how his game would translate limited the Spurs trade options. The best they could do was let Houston take on Butlers salary

Per TIMVP

People forget that little detail and only look at the NBA salary Scola got from Houston. That same salary wasn't getting it done with the Spurs.

Also, the Spurs had a plan for 2007 and beyond. That plan failed because circumstances changed. The plan for 2007-08 was to bring back the same bigs that won the title in 2006-07. Remember, at the moment of the Scola decision, the greatest threats to the Spurs were the Suns, Mavs, and Cavs. The Spurs reached the conference finals with that group and were left with the Gasol Lakers and Garnett Celts in their way. Scola would have been useful against those teams, but the odds would have still been against repeating, IMO.

For 2008 and beyond, the plan was Mahinmi and Splitter. They brought Mahinmi over to play in Austin in 2007-08 with an eye to bringing him to San Antonio in 2008-09. He couldn't stay healthy and we all know how that ended. Splitter was drafted in 2007 with every expectation that he would come over in 2008. His sister's leukemia returned in March 2008 and he decided to take a much richer deal to stay in Spain until he was no longer subject to the restrictions of the rookie pay scale.

The plan failed completely, but there was a plan.

[manufan10]

Talk about beating a dead horse. :deadhorse:frying:

[T Park]

Rumpy attempting to claim Mike Finley and Bonner both play better D then Scola.
Your basketball cred rating, already at zero has gone sub zero.



Bonner does. Avila is absolutely wretched defensively.

[Sean Cagney]

Same with Jackson. If they had given him what he wanted in 2003, they may not have been able to afford both of Tony and Manu in 2004.

Correct, some just need to let it go and see where the chips fell and be thankful to have watched this team win so many titles. Things happened for a reason.

[ChumpDumper]

That was what the rumors were at the time.Rumors from whom?
The Spurs could have easily signed him.Not without losing out on the tax bonus and paying the tax that season.
You just don't let a talented player like Scola was in his prime walk for peanuts if there was a damn good reason of doing so.See above. We're talking a swing of several million dollars.
Scola wanted to start, and he was a PF, the position Duncan played at the time. With the injuries to Manu, Parker, and Duncan during the '08-'011 years, Scola would have kept the Spurs in contention.Pretty much runs counter to everything the Spurs do. As such, I won't believe it.

[Blake]

.... The Spurs are 10-0 when Bonner starts alongside Duncan, Parker, Leonard and Green and 14-3 overall when the "Red Rocket" is in the starting lineup.....

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/scoreboard

10/10 thread. Will recommend to prison guards.

[DJB]

Best front officer, possibly ever, and this is a thread....This board is in the crapper.


YOU'RE in the fucking crapper. :tu

[aal04]

Im pretty sure pop would trade Duncan before Bonner

[peacemaker885]

Scola could never pull off Spuran Spuran.

[MultiTroll]

That was what the rumors were at the time. The Spurs could have easily signed him. You just don't let a talented player like Scola was in his prime walk for peanuts if there was a damn good reason of doing so. Scola wanted to start, and he was a PF, the position Duncan played at the time. With the injuries to Manu, Parker, and Duncan during the '08-'011 years, Scola would have kept the Spurs in contention.
:lol at any who tried to spin you the luxury tax was the problem.
I'm sure a good accountant could tally up how much extra profit is made from a repeat Championship season.
Or two. :toast

If Scola was indeed too enamored with a Chinese shoe company promotion hooked up thru Yao, oh well.

[Budkin]

Scola could never pull off Spuran Spuran.

This. /thread

[ChumpDumper]

:lol at any who tried to spin you the luxury tax was the problem.
I'm sure a good accountant could tally up how much extra profit is made from a repeat Championship season.
Or two. :toastNot as much as you might think. The initial TV deal is where the real money is. Retroactively guaranteed championships aren't used in business planning tbh.

[Brazil]

Diego20 is such a shitty poster :lol

[DAF86]

Obviously, nothing good has happened to the Spurs since they made that choice and Scola has become a guy that no team would ever trade.

I'm pretty sure Scola on the Spurs would have been an all-star at some point.

[DAF86]

Actually, the Spurs could have had Scola but they chose Splitter instead.

That was the calculus, pure and simple.

Splitter messed up the plan by delaying his journey to SA by a year (the team had factored a one year delay, not two).

If you look at the timing, the Spurs drafting Splitter and giving up on Scola was within a very short period of time that championship summer (at least that's the way I remember it, and I'm too lazy to look it up to confirm). :)

But my clear recollection at the time was that the Spurs concluded that Scola was a demanding prima donna and they cast their lot with Splitter.

Damn, they got to an awful conclusion if that's trully the case. :lol

[DAF86]

I agree with that one to. I was very disappointed he didn't come back the next season. With him, and the chemistry he had with Manu, they probably would have 3 peated in the 03' - 0'5 seasons.

I will always remember that game 6 against the Mavs when they were down by 23 and SJax and Kerr went on that 3 point shooting frenzy with Manu actually facilitating a lot of them. That was one of my most favorite Spurs game of all time. Even Drob, bad back and all was jumping around on the bench like a kid that just won a prize at some festival.

If Jackson had stayed Manu probably wouldn't have developed like he did though.

[Diego20]

Diego20 is such a shitty poster :lol

Look who said it :lmao

inb4 Parker crew comes and "brazil is a good poster :cry "

[Brazil]

Look who said it :lmao

inb4 Parker crew comes and "brazil is a good poster :cry "

chupa tu madre cabron

maricon :lmao