The Claw - More steals than fouls

[Galileo]

The Claw - More

Kawhi Leonard has 128 steals this year compared to only 112 fouls. This is amazing, he has more steals than fouls! Anyone know how common this is?

PS - for his career (regular season), Kawhi has 424 steals and 426 fouls.

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[apalisoc_9]

probably one of the most underrated improvement on his defensive game is his ability to Guard without fouling way too much. Last years game 1 and 2 was out of a norm and probably was just officials. But overall, during his first year..He had a tendency to foul here and there....

[Spur|n|Austin]

Cool stat!

[SASdynasty!]

This guy's ability to snatch the ball is one of a kind.

[Arcadian]

This is why the Spurs have a chance to beat anyone. Sean Elliott put it best: "Kawhi Leonard is a sick joke to opposing teams on defense!"

[Trimble87]

For quick reference. According to ESPN stats Kawhi is one of only 3 players in the top 20 of steals per game who has above a 1.0 Steals/Fouls ratio. Kawhi's is 1.14, the other two are Stephen Curry and Jimmy Butler who are at 1.05 and 1.06 respectively. No one else in the top 20 is over .80 ratio in this category.

Good stuff.

[r0drig0lac]

Beast

[cjw]

Danny fares pretty favorably as well when looking at steals + blocks. Three Spurs in the top 10 when looking at guys who've played substantial minutes (900+).

And for all the Baynes fans, he ranks second to last to Dellavedova. Part of that is he's the designated hack-a-[fill in the blank] guy. Gary Neal is also basically at the other end of the spectrum to Green.





PF
STL+BLK
Ratio


1
Anthony Davis
125
264
211%


2
Kawhi Leonard
112
173
154%


3
Rudy Gobert
161
230
143%


4
Jimmy Butler
97
137
141%


5
Nerlens Noel
204
269
132%


6
Brandan Wright
96
126
131%


7
Al Horford
113
147
130%


8
Kemba Walker
86
109
127%


9
Tim Duncan
154
191
124%


10
Danny Green
145
179
123%


11
Kevin Durant
40
49
123%


12
Klay Thompson
110
134
122%


13
Hassan Whiteside
107
128
120%


14
Andre Iguodala
89
106
119%


15
Pau Gasol
135
158
117%


16
Stephen Curry
143
166
116%


17
LeBron James
125
144
115%


18
Thabo Sefolosha
65
72
111%


19
Nicolas Batum
98
108
110%


20
Jeff Teague
132
143
108%


21
DeAndre Jordan
230
241
105%


22
Gordon Hayward
128
134
105%


23
Gorgui Dieng
188
196
104%


24
James Harden
192
199
104%


25
John Henson
138
142
103%

[Silver&Black]

Takes away half of the opposing teams court...

DPOY material we got here.

[cantthinkofanything]

Best ball grabber since Richard Jefferson.

[cantthinkofanything]

or...

Only RJ has ended up with more balls in his hands.

[FlAVaK]

21 DeAndre Jordan

DPOY candidate :lmao

[Galileo]

Danny fares pretty favorably as well when looking at steals + blocks. Three Spurs in the top 10 when looking at guys who've played substantial minutes (900+).

And for all the Baynes fans, he ranks second to last to Dellavedova. Part of that is he's the designated hack-a-[fill in the blank] guy. Gary Neal is also basically at the other end of the spectrum to Green.





PF
STL+BLK
Ratio


1
Anthony Davis
125
264
211%


2
Kawhi Leonard
112
173
154%


3
Rudy Gobert
161
230
143%


4
Jimmy Butler
97
137
141%


5
Nerlens Noel
204
269
132%


6
Brandan Wright
96
126
131%


7
Al Horford
113
147
130%


8
Kemba Walker
86
109
127%


9
Tim Duncan
154
191
124%


10
Danny Green
145
179
123%


11
Kevin Durant
40
49
123%


12
Klay Thompson
110
134
122%


13
Hassan Whiteside
107
128
120%


14
Andre Iguodala
89
106
119%


15
Pau Gasol
135
158
117%


16
Stephen Curry
143
166
116%


17
LeBron James
125
144
115%


18
Thabo Sefolosha
65
72
111%


19
Nicolas Batum
98
108
110%


20
Jeff Teague
132
143
108%


21
DeAndre Jordan
230
241
105%


22
Gordon Hayward
128
134
105%


23
Gorgui Dieng
188
196
104%


24
James Harden
192
199
104%


25
John Henson
138
142
103%



3 Spurs in top 10. Sweet. This will come in handy come playoff time.

[Embedded]

LOL Hahahahaha, shit, I jut drooled soda

or...

Only RJ has ended up with more balls in his hands.

[Obstructed_View]

Danny fares pretty favorably as well when looking at steals + blocks. Three Spurs in the top 10 when looking at guys who've played substantial minutes (900+).

And for all the Baynes fans, he ranks second to last to Dellavedova. Part of that is he's the designated hack-a-[fill in the blank] guy. Gary Neal is also basically at the other end of the spectrum to Green.





PF
STL+BLK
Ratio


1
Anthony Davis
125
264
211%


2
Kawhi Leonard
112
173
154%


3
Rudy Gobert
161
230
143%


4
Jimmy Butler
97
137
141%


5
Nerlens Noel
204
269
132%


6
Brandan Wright
96
126
131%


7
Al Horford
113
147
130%


8
Kemba Walker
86
109
127%


9
Tim Duncan
154
191
124%


10
Danny Green
145
179
123%


11
Kevin Durant
40
49
123%


12
Klay Thompson
110
134
122%


13
Hassan Whiteside
107
128
120%


14
Andre Iguodala
89
106
119%


15
Pau Gasol
135
158
117%


16
Stephen Curry
143
166
116%


17
LeBron James
125
144
115%


18
Thabo Sefolosha
65
72
111%


19
Nicolas Batum
98
108
110%


20
Jeff Teague
132
143
108%


21
DeAndre Jordan
230
241
105%


22
Gordon Hayward
128
134
105%


23
Gorgui Dieng
188
196
104%


24
James Harden
192
199
104%


25
John Henson
138
142
103%



Interesting stats, but unless convinced otherwise, I'd probably put Andrew Bogut ahead of all of those guys if I had a DPOY vote, so I'm not sure how much those stats mean to actual defense. I'd much rather have a guy who gets steals without gambling and giving up defensive position than one who does, but I don't know what metric you'd throw in there to try to figure that out. And fouling isn't necessarily a bad thing if you're keeping guys from getting easy baskets and and-ones.

[dabom]

Bogut plays like shit minutes compared to most of those guys though. If his minutes increased I'd doubt he be efficient as he is now. Very injury prone too. A contender that lives and dies by an injury prone big. lol

[apalisoc_9]

Draymond Green and Kawhi really should be the only two candidates for DPOY

Danny deserves a first or a 2nd team for helping carry the team without Leonard.

[MateoNeygro]

I thoroughly enjoy watching Kawhi play basketball. He's really becoming special.

[TXstbobcat]

Give the defensive POY award to Leonard. He has been a defensive beast this year.

[cjw]

Interesting stats, but unless convinced otherwise, I'd probably put Andrew Bogut ahead of all of those guys if I had a DPOY vote, so I'm not sure how much those stats mean to actual defense. I'd much rather have a guy who gets steals without gambling and giving up defensive position than one who does, but I don't know what metric you'd throw in there to try to figure that out. And fouling isn't necessarily a bad thing if you're keeping guys from getting easy baskets and and-ones.

Right, thought it was interesting but definitely not the be all, end all.

Negatives of fouling = early in quarter when not significantly reducing a scoring chance in a non-shooting situation (quicker bonus), bonus/shooting situation against a good FT shooter and shooting situation where FT outcome is higher than clean shot outcome. Also foul trouble.

Positives are as you noted plus the hack-a-[ ] situations, and to get physical. In general though with Timmy through his whole career, he's been very good at playing defense and rebounding without committing fouls. Appears Kawhi is vastly improved in this area. It may be selective memory, but seemed that he used to get called for more fouls in big games and be sidelined for long stretches.

When going up against Harden and GS in particular, avoiding early bonus situations is critical.

[Malik Hairston]

Pretty amazing, tbh..I heard Gobert has more blocks than fouls, too, which is pretty unreal for a player getting his first significant minutes in the NBA(didn't play much last year IIRC)..

[Galileo]

Here is another interesting stat: The overall ratio of steals to fouls for the entire NBA this season is .382

The Spurs ratio is .420

The average team has 579 steals and 1514 fouls as of yesterday.

shttp://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015.htmloure here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015.html

[egtonecity]

I wonder if this is just defensive fouls. Kawhi seems to pickup bogus charging calls at least once a game.

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi does get special treatment though in terms of on ball steals. Some of his steals are normally fouls if some other players are doing it..I think the refs respect him to a point that they just assume it's legit..

He deserves though..He's been getting shitty calls the last three years.

[spurraider21]

steals and especially blocks are a very limited way to judge defensive ability

[spurraider21]

Kawhi does get special treatment though in terms of on ball steals. Some of his steals are normally fouls if some other players are doing it..I think the refs respect him to a point that they just assume it's legit..

He deserves though..He's been getting shitty calls the last three years.
this. when he grabbed the ball from ellis, most players would have been called for a foul there.

still, looked amazing :lol

[timmy2003]

Kawhi does get special treatment though in terms of on ball steals. Some of his steals are normally fouls if some other players are doing it..I think the refs respect him to a point that they just assume it's legit..

He deserves though..He's been getting shitty calls the last three years.

I hope he will get such special treatment against Harden

[jermaine]

I often wonder an ask why is he not in the DPOY talks!?! Fatass Green for the Warriors are though!!!

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

probably one of the most underrated improvement on his defensive game is his ability to Guard without fouling way too much. Last years game 1 and 2 was out of a norm and probably was just officials. But overall, during his first year..He had a tendency to foul here and there....

No, its that he is Finals MVP and the ref aren't calling a lot ticky tack fouls they use to call on Kawhi. He has always been a very good defender. He is now a great defender, probably the best in the league at any position right now.

[Obstructed_View]

this. when he grabbed the ball from ellis, most players would have been called for a foul there.

still, looked amazing :lol

It was amazing, and it was definitely a foul. I understand why Ellis was so pissed about it. Kawhi is starting to benefit from the fact that the Spurs as a team don't foul a lot on top of his reputation as a top defender.

[milkyway21]

But I am surprised he is not in the DPOY conversation. During the game Memphis vs Oklahoma they mention Marc Gasol for DPOY :(

CURRENT LEAGUE LEADER IN STEALS:
1. Leonard
2. Curry
3. Westbrook

[Raven]

But I am surprised he is not in the DPOY conversation. During the game Memphis vs Oklahoma they mention Marc Gasol for DPOY :(

CURRENT LEAGUE LEADER IN STEALS:
1. Leonard
2. Curry
3. Westbrook

:lol damn marc winning it would be hilarious.. anyway, he clearly is in the conversation.