In order for Spurs to get 2 seed, MEM needs to lose two more times and SA win out

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Is that correct?

[Agloco]

Yeap

[bklynspursfan]

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[SpursFan86]

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Why does it matter who Memphis loses to? If the Spurs win out and Memphis loses twice, the Spurs will win the division no matter what. Assuming LAC wins out as well, we'd be tied and have the tiebreaker since we won our division, yes?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Supposely yes, as the Spurs and Mem would have the same division record, split the season series, so it would come down to conference record, which Memphis leads in that department.

But Memphis could very well lose both Friday and Saturday. They have 3 very tough road games in the Jazz (who have been playing lights out at home for the past month and a half), Clippers and then GS. I see them losing two of these.

Spurs win on Friday, they should easily win on Sunday, and then the final game against NO will mean a lot. It could mean the difference of a 6th seed to a 2nd seed. Spurs will be playing in force if it comes down to this scenario next Wednesday.

[Agloco]

Why does it matter who Memphis loses to? If the Spurs win out and Memphis loses twice, the Spurs will win the division no matter what. Assuming LAC wins out as well, we'd be tied and have the tiebreaker since we won our division, yes?

That's correct. Doesn't matter who MEM loses to

[Cry Havoc]

Memphis is playing Utah, LAC, GSW, and Indiana. Unfortunately I'm guessing that GSW will be resting their players.

OTOH, if we get the "4" seed (5 seed with HCA), playing GSW in the 2nd round wouldn't be such a bad thing.

[tmtcsc]

Memphis is playing Utah, LAC, GSW, and Indiana. Unfortunately I'm guessing that GSW will be resting their players.

OTOH, if we get the "4" seed (5 seed with HCA), playing GSW in the 2nd round wouldn't be such a bad thing.

I'm guessing GSW don't want Spurs in the 5 seed.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

False, if Memphis loses once and Houston wins out after Friday, we win the 3 way tie

[Mugen]

Pretty sure Memphis only has to lose once and the spurs win out to get the 2 seed.

[Cry Havoc]

I'm guessing GSW don't want Spurs in the 5 seed.

Are they going to play guys and risk injury just to avoid us in the 2nd round? That would be interesting.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Are they going to play guys and risk injury just to avoid us in the 2nd round? That would be interesting.

They are playing for Curry's MVP, so yeah I think they will play

[bklynspursfan]

Why does it matter who Memphis loses to? If the Spurs win out and Memphis loses twice, the Spurs will win the division no matter what. Assuming LAC wins out as well, we'd be tied and have the tiebreaker since we won our division, yes?

If we win out and Memphis loses only once, we'd be tied, and I believe they own the tie breaker, by virtue of conference record.

I think it only matters that Memphis beats the Clips so we pass them, and then they'd (Memphis) need to lose any other 2 games so we can be a game up in the L column and win the division. For us to get the 2 seed that is. (i think that's what the tweet specifically was referring to)

[bklynspursfan]

Pretty sure Memphis only has to lose once and the spurs win out to get the 2 seed.

But they'd both finish with the same record at that point. I think Memphis owns the tie breaker, at least that's what i've read. Also, if the Clips win out too, they could get the 2 seed (i think) that's why we need them to lose once as well

[Spurs 4 The Win]

But they'd both finish with the same record at that point. I think Memphis owns the tie breaker, at least that's what i've read. Also, if the Clips win out too, they could get the 2 seed (i think) that's why we need them to lose once as well

If Spurs finish in a tie with Clippers, we own tiebreak if we win the division. We win the division if we finish in a 3 way tie with Houston and Memphis or if Memphis loses twice.

[K...]

Gsw is talented enough to win with limited minutes from curry and clay. I say the play but only to keep rhythm in the playoffs. They are young guys and really don't need rest. They've been resting for months.

[Outlier]

Too many conditions to get the seed we want. I'm not setting my expectations high.

[Chinook]

But they'd both finish with the same record at that point. I think Memphis owns the tie breaker, at least that's what i've read. Also, if the Clips win out too, they could get the 2 seed (i think) that's why we need them to lose once as well

First tie-breaker is whether or not the a tied team won their division, so while the Spurs currently do not have the tie-breaker over LAC for a lower seed, they do have the tie-breaker for the two seed.

Spurs also win a three-way tie-breaker against Memphis and Houston (provided the Spurs win tomorrow) because they'd have a combined 5-3 H2H record against the other two teams, as opposed to Houston's 3-5 and Memphis' 4-4.

[gameFACE]

Third seed or 4/5 is more likely. It's going to be tough to win in Houston on Friday. Plus NO is fighting OKC for the 8 seed. NO will want to win against the Spurs next week and there is resting Duncan to contend with.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Third seed or 4/5 is more likely. It's going to be tough to win in Houston on Friday. Plus NO is fighting OKC for the 8 seed. NO will want to win against the Spurs next week and there is resting Duncan to contend with.

If we lose any game we will be 6 seed, if we win out, most likely scenario is us with the 2.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

First tie-breaker is whether or not the a tied team won their division, so while the Spurs currently do not have the tie-breaker over LAC for a lower seed, they do have the tie-breaker for the two seed.

Spurs also win a three-way tie-breaker against Memphis and Houston (provided the Spurs win tomorrow) because they'd have a combined 5-3 H2H record against the other two teams, as opposed to Houston's 3-5 and Memphis' 4-4.

Exactly and the 3 way tie, provided we win, is the most likely scenario to occur

[bklynspursfan]

If Spurs finish in a tie with Clippers, we own tiebreak if we win the division. We win the division if we finish in a 3 way tie with Houston and Memphis or if Memphis loses twice.


First tie-breaker is whether or not the a tied team won their division, so while the Spurs currently do not have the tie-breaker over LAC for a lower seed, they do have the tie-breaker for the two seed.

Spurs also win a three-way tie-breaker against Memphis and Houston (provided the Spurs win tomorrow) because they'd have a combined 5-3 H2H record against the other two teams, as opposed to Houston's 3-5 and Memphis' 4-4.

Got it... Thanks ya'll. Lots to keep up with. I just hope we take care of our business. We control our destiny, to a certain degree.

[hater]

LOL we won't win out.

Pop MIGHT play 1 more serious regular season game this Friday and then call it a season.

[Jdspur20]

So basically win out- 2 seed, lose one, 6th seed?

[Spurs 4 The Win]

LOL we won't win out.

Pop MIGHT play 1 more serious regular season game this Friday and then call it a season.

Lol, Pop will go for homecourt, he isnt dumb enough to put us in a no homecourt situation as a 6 seed, instead of a 2 seed just to "rest" guys when they dont even need it. Players will dictate what happens, they wont let Pop rest them. Until we lose, we will go for wins.

[mclinejr]

As long as the Spurs enter the playoffs healthy, I don't care what place they finish in.

[DAF86]

LOL we won't win out.

Pop MIGHT play 1 more serious regular season game this Friday and then call it a season.

Manu has ackowledged that they're pushing hard for a top 3 seed.

[hater]

Manu has ackowledged that they're pushing hard for a top 3 seed.

I'm not sure Manu has much say on what the Spurs push for. It's Pops team.

[SpursFan86]

Spurs also win a three-way tie-breaker against Memphis and Houston (provided the Spurs win tomorrow) because they'd have a combined 5-3 H2H record against the other two teams, as opposed to Houston's 3-5 and Memphis' 4-4.

So if the Spurs win out, and Memphis only loses 1 game, we'd still be the 2nd seed?

[hater]

So if the Spurs win out, and Memphis only loses 1 game, we'd still be the 2nd seed?


assuming ALL teams "take care of business in the other games" we have the following:

2 MEM 56-25
3 HOU 56-25
5 LAC 55-26
6 SAS 55-26


now the scenarios:
Most likely: HOU and LAC win
2 HOU 57-25
3 LAC 56-26
5 MEM 56-26
6 SAS 55-27

SAS @ LAC playoffs


2nd most likely: SAS and LAC win
2 MEM 56-26
3 LAC 56-26
5 SAS 56-26
6 HOU 56-26

POR @ SAS playoffs


3rd most likely: HOU and MEM win
2 MEM 57-25
3 HOU 57-25
5 LAC 55-27
6 SAS 55-27

SAS @ HOU playoffs


4th most likely: SAS and MEM win
2 MEM 57-25
3 SAS 56-26
5 HOU 56-26
6 LAC 55-27

HOU @ SAS playoffs



so are HOU vs SAS series very likely? yes and no.


I'm gonna go ahead and say Spurs are probably playing the Clippers in round 1.

[Chinook]

So if the Spurs win out, and Memphis only loses 1 game, we'd still be the 2nd seed?

Not necessarily. Houston would have to do its part to make it a three-way tie.

[hater]

So if the Spurs win out, and Memphis only loses 1 game, we'd still be the 2nd seed?


assuming ALL teams "take care of business in the other games" we have the following:

2 MEM 56-25
3 HOU 56-25
5 LAC 55-26
6 SAS 55-26


now the scenarios:
Most likely: HOU and LAC win
2 HOU 57-25
3 LAC 56-26
5 MEM 56-26
6 SAS 55-27

SAS @ LAC playoffs


2nd most likely: SAS and LAC win
2 MEM 56-26
3 LAC 56-26
5 SAS 56-26
6 HOU 56-26

POR @ SAS playoffs


3rd most likely: HOU and MEM win
2 MEM 57-25
3 HOU 57-25
5 LAC 55-27
6 SAS 55-27

SAS @ HOU playoffs


4th most likely: SAS and MEM win
2 MEM 57-25
3 SAS 56-26
5 HOU 56-26
6 LAC 55-27

HOU @ SAS playoffs



so are HOU vs SAS series very likely? yes and no.


I'm gonna go ahead and say Spurs are probably playing the Clippers in round 1.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Hater, you have your scenario wrong, Spurs come out on top in the event of a 4 way tie

[Chinook]

And hater, your fourth scenario is SAS@LAC, not HOU

[hater]

Hater, you have your scenario wrong, Spurs come out on top in the event of a 4 way tie

I believe Memphis does. Memphis takes the division because they own tiebreaker vs Spurs. right?

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I believe Memphis does. Memphis takes the division because they own tiebreaker vs Spurs. right?

No, we take the tiebreaker on common head 2 head among Memphis/Houston/Spurs, and then we get the tiebreak vs the Clips for winning the division.

[Chinook]

Hater, you have your scenario wrong, Spurs come out on top in the event of a 4 way tie

That too.

[hater]

No, we take the tiebreaker on common head 2 head among Memphis/Houston/Spurs, and then we get the tiebreak vs the Clips for winning the division.

howso? MEM vs SAS are 2-2 in the season.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

howso? MEM vs SAS are 2-2 in the season.

Yeah but we are 3-1 on Houston (in this scenario) and Houston is 2-2 with Memphis. Therefore we have the best common record.

[hater]

Yeah but we are 3-1 on Houston (in this scenario) and Houston is 2-2 with Memphis. Therefore we have the best common record.

what? not sure if agree:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/3/11/8174759/nba-playoffs-2015-tiebreakers-western-conference

If teams finish tied in the standings, this is how berths and seeds will be determined.

MEMPHIS over Houston: The teams split the season series. But the Rockets can no longer finish with a better division or conference record than the Grizzlies, and Memphis' record against West playoff teams (regardless of whether OKC or New Orleans make it) is guaranteed to be better.

MEMPHIS over San Antonio: The teams split the season series. San Antonio cannot finish with a better divisional record and the Grizzlies have clinched a better record against the West.

[DAF86]

I'm not sure Manu has much say on what the Spurs push for. It's Pops team.

So do you think Manu said that just becuase? :lol

[Budkin]

I doubt Memphis loses twice. Just let us be healthy.

[hater]

So do you think Manu said that just becuase? :lol

no. he probably meant it, the players probably talk amonst them.

Does not mean Pop took part in the conversations.

[Cloud786]

Spurs 4 The Win is correct.

b. More Than Two Teams Tied
(1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division.
(2) Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams.

In the event that Houston, SA, and Memphis are tied at the end at 56-26, spurs would win the division and be 2nd seed. Doesn't matter what the Clippers do.

[Cloud786]

If it's only Spurs and Memphis tied at the end, THEN Memphis would win the tiebreaker against us. So a 3-way tie between SA/Houston/Memphis favors us heavily if we win out.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

what? not sure if agree:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/3/11/8174759/nba-playoffs-2015-tiebreakers-western-conference

If teams finish tied in the standings, this is how berths and seeds will be determined.

MEMPHIS over Houston: The teams split the season series. But the Rockets can no longer finish with a better division or conference record than the Grizzlies, and Memphis' record against West playoff teams (regardless of whether OKC or New Orleans make it) is guaranteed to be better.

MEMPHIS over San Antonio: The teams split the season series. San Antonio cannot finish with a better divisional record and the Grizzlies have clinched a better record against the West.

DUDE, ITS A 3 WAY TIE WITH HOUSTON. Come on. We would be 5-3 against Houston/Memphis, Memphis 4-4 against Houston/Spurs, and Houston 3-5 against Spurs/Memphis

[Chinook]

I believe Memphis does. Memphis takes the division because they own tiebreaker vs Spurs. right?

No. They own a one-on-one tie-break, but not a three-way with Houston (if the Spurs win tomorrow)

[hater]

cool thanks ^

didn't know that. weird

[DAF86]

no. he probably meant it, the players probably talk amonst them.

Does not mean Pop took part in the conversations.

I think it was something talked about among everybody including Pop. I think Playing all the guys on a back to back against OKC and Houston (including Tony that had to leave the game the night before) says a lot about Pop intentions regarding seedings, tbh.

[Cloud786]

Likely Spurs 2nd seed scenarios:
Spurs win out
Houston loses to us, then wins out
Memphis loses one game

-- All three teams tied at 56-26, gives us the division by virtue of better overall record between the tied teams.

OR

Spurs win out
Houston loses to us, then does whatever
Memphis loses two games

-- Gives Spurs better record than Memphis and tiebreaker over Houston


Doesn't matter what the Clippers do as we would win the division and be ranked ahead of them. It's crazy but there's a high chance that all 4 teams could end up tied.

[SpursFan86]

Not necessarily. Houston would have to do its part to make it a three-way tie.

Oh alright I see what you're saying. If it's just us and Memphis in a tie, they'd get the tiebreaker. If it's a 3-way tie with Houston as well, then the Spurs would get it.

Anyways, fwiw, here's ESPN's latest BPI matchup projections:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCJjunsUEAAV_IL.png

Shows our most likely matchup being LAC at 29.4%, followed by Dallas at 26.9%, and Portland at 21.3%. I'd prefer the latter two scenarios personally.

[Agloco]

Memphis is playing Utah, LAC, GSW, and Indiana. Unfortunately I'm guessing that GSW will be resting their players.

OTOH, if we get the "4" seed (5 seed with HCA), playing GSW in the 2nd round wouldn't be such a bad thing.

GSW is incentivized to keep SAS out of the 5 seed. Kerr is acutely aware of the implications

[cjw]

Memphis can lose once more + Spurs win out and Spurs still win division title IF Houston makes it a three way tie (would entail Houston not losing other than to Spurs), which Spurs win based on three-way H2H.

Houston have SA, NO, @ Cha (b2b), UTA. NO will be going balls to the walls as their playoff life depends on it, so imagine that to be a tossup. Charlotte will probably be eliminated by then, but B2B are never a gimme on the road. Utah is 19-9 since February 7th but doesn't have incentive to win that last game as losses would help them fall behind the bevy of teams in the East that will miss out on playoffs and potentially increase draft position by a few spots.

Memphis has a brutal @ Uta, @ Lac, @ Gs, IND (with Indiana potentially fighting for its life on the last day of the season).

Spurs also have to deal with New Orleans and the last game's competitiveness will depend on if OKC flounders or flourishes. NO still controls its own destiny but no room for error right now. Hopefully the Phoenix game is a walkover as they were just eliminated.

[Agloco]

So basically win out- 2 seed, lose one, 6th seed?

A little more to it than that.

[gameFACE]

If we lose any game we will be 6 seed, if we win out, most likely scenario is us with the 2.

Correct. Meant to say 3, 4 or 5 if we win out. I just think it's going to be tough to win out. But hey, I've been wrong about the Spurs the last three years so I'm happy to be wrong!

[Old School 44]

2 or 3 seed would be great.

[Malik Hairston]

:lol hater is so cute, tbh..

[Malik Hairston]

Anyways, Memphis could easily lose all 3 of their road games IMO, including the Jazz game, depending if Snyder does the Spurs a favor(he has been playing Hayward less minutes lately, unfortunately)..I also imagine Kerr will consider avoiding the Spurs in the 4-5, along with the Warriors wanting to stay sharp(Thompson has been struggling as of late, for example) and Curry still going for the MVP, thus they will play seriously vs. the Grizz IMO..

Best-case, realistic scenarios: 2 vs. Dallas, 5 vs. Portland
Worst-case, realistic scenarios: 6 vs. the Clippers

It's all moot if the Spurs lose Friday, probably..despite what many here have said, home court for at least a round is imperative IMO..

[Old School 44]

We shouldn’t try to win out! Because if we beat Phoenix, that means the Clips own the conference tie breaker. Memphis will move a head of Houston. Then if Portland loses any of their games, Dallas will move down, causing Portland to move to Seattle. But the worst thing is losing to the Pelicans. This will put OkC in the lottery giving them 3 unprotected first round picks from Philadelphia.

[AFBlue]

FWIW, my head hurts. Just gonna see how the chips fall and take solace in the fact that the Spurs are playing ridiculous ball at the right time.

[apalisoc_9]

FWIW, my head hurts. Just gonna see how the chips fall and take solace in the fact that the Spurs are playing ridiculous ball at the right time.

To simplify,

Spurs need to win out and Memphis loses one more game.

In this scenario, it doesn't matter what Houston, LA does. Spurs gets 2nd seed.

[midnightpulp]

I always hate playing Dallas. Would love to play Memphis or Portland in the first round.

[SPM]

SA would mop Dallas in 4. True.... Dallas is a whole lot more talented than last years shit squad but their chemistry is fucking horrible. They will get bounced by whoever they play, even Houston.

[apalisoc_9]

dallas has Rondo, Dirk, Ellis, Aminu.

Not only do they have multiple players to exploit on the defensive end, you also have tons of players to hide your poor defender...:lol

[SPM]

Fucking horrible that they have players like Aminu,Charlie V, and Richard Jefferson in their rotation, good lord.

[apalisoc_9]

RC should be candidate for COTY.

Villaneuva, Jefferson, Aminu, Rondo, a dirk that can't move anymore, Amare..

And they might still reach the 50 wins mark.

:lol

[Cloud786]

To simplify,

Spurs need to win out and Memphis loses one more game.

In this scenario, it doesn't matter what Houston, LA does. Spurs gets 2nd seed.

A 2 way tie between MEM and SA will go to MEM. So either HOU has to win out after losing to us to make it a 3 way tie, OR MEM has to lose 2 and HOU can do whatever.

[boutons_deux]

Assuming Spurs beat Hou and NOR, MEM has won the div with 9-7 and no more div games. Spurs can get tie 9-7 div but lose div with worse conf record.

Spurs would win tie breaker with HOU, and get into the upper bracket as only non-div winner, giving spurs HCA in 1st, 2nd rounds, but no HCA in WCF vs GSW

to get HCA in NBAF, it would have to be vs Cavs (55W if they win their last 4, vs spurs 56W). that NYN loss is looming HUGE!

[apalisoc_9]

A 2 way tie between MEM and SA will go to MEM. So either HOU has to win out after losing to us to make it a 3 way tie, OR MEM has to lose 2 and HOU can do whatever.

yes.

[Jdspur20]

Not to make everyone's head hurt, but what would be the scenarios IF we lost to Houston today but won the remaining of the games? What would have to happen to get a 3 or 5 seed?

[apalisoc_9]

Not to make everyone's head hurt, but what would be the scenarios IF we lost to Houston today but won the remaining of the games? What would have to happen to get a 3 or 5 seed?

one of houston or memphis losing all their games..assuming memphis wins today

and LA losing two of three.

SA will be 6 for sure if they lose one more game...

[boutons_deux]

Not to make everyone's head hurt, but what would be the scenarios IF we lost to Houston today but won the remaining of the games? What would have to happen to get a 3 or 5 seed?

Lose one more game, and Spurs are pretty much stuck at 6th seed. The best Spurs can do is to swap Spurs' 6th for HOU's current 3rd seed.

[Jdspur20]

Got it, if LAC win out, they would get the 3 seed correct?

[Big Empty]

anything to face memphis round 1. it would be the closest thing to a first round bye