Marvel's Netflix Series

[Reck]

Too bad we're not getting a Daredevil season this year. It got pushed to next year because they're going to do The Defenders. Hope it's worth it.

[Xevious]

Too bad we're not getting a Daredevil season this year. It got pushed to next year because they're going to do The Defenders. Hope it's worth it.

With JJ season 2 immediately following the Defenders.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

DD season 2 initial punisher episodes were pure gold. The elektra stuff kinda missed the mark.
Jessica Jones was cool but felt they coulda condensed it. I was bored by the end.
I can't get thru the first episode of cage. I find myself ooking at my phone and getting bored

[lefty]

Agreed

DD S1 was just perfect from start to finish

DD S2 Punisher stuff was great, the Elektra part not so much

[StrengthAndHonor]

Jessica Jones needs an R Rating. Let me some Marvel titties.

[spurraider21]

Agreed

DD S1 was just perfect from start to finish

DD S2 Punisher stuff was great, the Elektra part not so much
I'm tired of ninjas in new York. I mean I'm watching super hero shows so I'm already suspending disbelief. But really? Ninjas with swords running around in the 21st century?

Unfortunately that's what defenders looks like it'll be about but hopefully they do a good job with it. That was my main beef with DD season 2 and it was the entire purpose of iron fist.

[lefty]

I'm tired of ninjas in new York. I mean I'm watching super hero shows so I'm already suspending disbelief. But really? Ninjas with swords running around in the 21st century?

Unfortunately that's what defenders looks like it'll be about but hopefully they do a good job with it. That was my main beef with DD season 2 and it was the entire purpose of iron fist.

Well the Hand is a big part of this universe in the comics so having them in those Netflix shows was bound to happen anyway.

The sooner the better so we can move to something more interesting

[Reck]

Colleen walking around in NY with a fucking Katana was particularly funny.

First thing I thought was what are you Michonne? Fell like it has been done and really look out of place in Iron Fist.

[Hank Scorpio]

Haven't seen Iron Fist or Cage

But Rank tha marvel netflix shows
Daredevil
Jessica Jones
Luke Cage
Ion Fist

[Xevious]

Agreed

DD S1 was just perfect from start to finish

DD S2 Punisher stuff was great, the Elektra part not so much
Punisher started off great but ended terribly.

[lefty]

Punisher started off great but ended terribly.
The trial part was cringy AF

[spurraider21]

The trial part was cringy AFi thought Señor foggy did a pretty good job though

[Blake]

I'm tired of ninjas in new York. I mean I'm watching super hero shows so I'm already suspending disbelief. But really? Ninjas with swords running around in the 21st century?

Unfortunately that's what defenders looks like it'll be about but hopefully they do a good job with it. That was my main beef with DD season 2 and it was the entire purpose of iron fist.

So with Defenders there'll be 2 karate heroes and 2 muscle heroes.

Meh.

[Reck]

So with Defenders there'll be 2 karate heroes and 2 muscle heroes.

Meh.

Daredevil will make Iron Fist look like an amateur. The difference in style is night and day.

[lefty]

DD is more brutal

IF is more stinky hippie chi shit

[Xevious]

x-a5taIaS6E

[Xevious]

Not sure how excited I am for this considering how crappy the shows have been post DD season 1, but I'll end up watching it anyway.

[spurraider21]

i really enjoyed jessica jones, tbh... daredevil season 2 was also pretty good but there was definitely some fatigue towards the middle/end.

cage and fist were the low points. never understood why people were hyping cage. he was much better in JJ than he was in his own show. sorta like hulk in MCU

[Reck]

i really enjoyed jessica jones, tbh...

Probably has more to do with the lead. That chick really didn't sell it. I dont know.

I kept going back to her as the junkie bitch from BB. :lol

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_6J9BqgonU

[lefty]

Nice Nice

[I. Hustle]

Probably has more to do with the lead. That chick really didn't sell it. I dont know.

I kept going back to her as the junkie bitch from BB. :lol

You want to do her though, right? I mean, it's not like she is super hot but at the same time you want to give her a go.

[Blake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_6J9BqgonU

Looks pretty good. Sigourney there gives it some cred

[Blake]

I've been catching up on agents of shield on Netflix. Season 3 was good although I don't like how they portrayed hydra. Was hoping for something more like Cobra/Cobra Commander

[lefty]

I've been catching up on agents of shield on Netflix. Season 3 was good although I don't like how they portrayed hydra. Was hoping for something more like Cobra/Cobra Commander

Is it in season 3 that we have a lead up to the opening of Avengers Age of Ultron?

[Blake]

Is it in season 3 that we have a lead up to the opening of Avengers Age of Ultron?

Actually I haven't quite finished 3. Almost.

[lefty]

Actually I haven't quite finished 3. Almost.
Ah ok

[lefty]

Have watched the 1st 5 episodes of the Defenders and it's pretty good tbh

[StrengthAndHonor]

Have watched the 1st 5 episodes of the Defenders and it's pretty good tbh
It's boring.

[lefty]

Not bad, I enjoyed it.

Fighting sequences were hard to follow, too close and shaky.
Sometimes it was hard to tell who was hitting who, at one point I thought Danny hit Murdoc

[Texas_Ranger]

defenders was meh. This show actually needed 10-13 episodes.

[spurraider21]

2 episodes in. for a 7 episode series, it took waaay too long to get the characters together. they either needed to speed that process up or just have more episodes

[Xevious]

What was the rationale behind having only 8 episodes?

[Trainwreck2100]

The Punisher is being delayed in response to the Vegas shootings.

I'm ready to label that guy as a terrorist now.

[Xevious]

Punisher is out. Will watch soon.

[leemajors]

Punisher is out. Will watch soon.

Halfway through love it.

[leemajors]

Halfway through love it.

This is probably the best Marvel show tbh. Surprised no one has said shit about it here.

[Xevious]

I really liked it. They fleshed Frank's character out and made him more 3 dimensional than he was on Daredevil. All the violence/action was really well done - on par with Daredevil (a lot bloodier though obviously). The only downside for me was the Lewis character. The PTSD stuff got a little heavy handed and he didn't have much of a payoff for as much screentime as he got.

That mirror scene though... god damn. :lol

[spurraider21]

about 2/3 way through punisher. its not quite jessica jones/daredevil season 1 level, but its definitely better than defenders and that shithole of a show iron fist was

[pookenstein]

I just finished Punisher and liked it way more than JJ/DD or the Defenders. But I have to admit that I've always been a fan of graphic violence in movies/shows, so that may have payed a role in me liking the Punisher better than the other shows. Iron Fist is just plain bad.

[lefty]

Satisfyingly violent

[lefty]

That mirror scene though... god damn. :lol

I was waiting to see how Russo would transform into Jigsaw.
I wasn't disappointed tbh.

Hard to watch though, that and the eyes scene

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Punisher was legit. The fight scene at the construction site....Jesus such ferocity. And the NSA/Afghan plot kept it intelligent for TV kinda like a less boring NBC drama but also kept Frank human and showed his inner struggles.

Best marvel show after DD.

[AaronY]

about 2/3 way through punisher. its not quite jessica jones/daredevil season 1 level, but its definitely better than defenders and that shithole of a show iron fist was
Iron Fist was so awful. Critics are hit or miss but they were so right about that one.

[spurraider21]

jessica jones season 2 came out late last week, got through the whole thing over the weekend. it was pretty good imo. i think Jones is the most compelling protagonist in the marvel/netflix universe. villain not nearly as compelling as kilgrave or kingpin, but much better than whatever we saw in luke cage, defenders, and especially iron fist

mostly i'm glad there was nothing about The Hand... the hand has been dragging down this entire netflix series. its why DD season 2 was not as good as the first (despite punisher and elektra being awesome side characters), its why Defenders sucked, and one of the many reasons iron fist sucked

[leemajors]

I'm halfway through JJ season 2 and it's pretty good.

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB1in0KkoG4

[Pavlov]

So many Marvel robot arms....

Got to see if this show can recover from losing the most compelling character in any of the Netflix Marvel shows halfway through the first season.

[Xevious]

Wonder if any of the Netflix series will even acknowledge the events of Infinity War, or if they'll finally admit they have nothing to do with one another other than a few random references to "the event", etc.

[spurraider21]

Wonder if any of the Netflix series will even acknowledge the events of Infinity War, or if they'll finally admit they have nothing to do with one another other than a few random references to "the event", etc.
my guess is they're set before IW... they're not gonna kill off ~ half the characters

[Xevious]

my guess is they're set before IW... they're not gonna kill off ~ half the characters
And then they'll just go on ignoring it after the resolution in IW part 2.

[Blake]

Wonder if any of the Netflix series will even acknowledge the events of Infinity War, or if they'll finally admit they have nothing to do with one another other than a few random references to "the event", etc.

I hope they keep it that way.

[spurraider21]

And then they'll just go on ignoring it after the resolution in IW part 2.
probably

wtf are they going to do? have jessica jones investigate thanos?

the netflix stuff is meant to be it's own microcosm. that they have an occasional nod to the feature films doesn't mean that's going to change. i mean they've tried really hard to distance themselves from that stuff. i remember in season 1 of jessica jones she would refer to "the flag waver" instead of just saying capt america, etc.

it caught me as a surprise when the kid in JJ season 2 actually referenced captain america by name

[Xevious]

wtf are they going to do? have jessica jones investigate thanos?
No of course not. And we don't know yet what the resolution of IW will be or even if anybody will have memory of it. But this is a little different and far reaching than omitting Stark tower from the NYC skyline, or making vague referenes to an alien attack.

[spurraider21]

No of course not. And we don't know yet what the resolution of IW will be or even if anybody will have memory of it. But this is a little different and far reaching than omitting Stark tower from the NYC skyline, or making vague referenes to an alien attack.
my understanding is that IW was set sometime around or after 2020. its fairly plausible that we can just consider the netflix series to be pre-IW

or if there was some massive time travel/reversal thing, then maybe they wont have memory of it.

i wouldnt waste too much energy thinking about it tbh, i treat netflix stuff pretty separately from the rest of MCU

[Trainwreck2100]

my understanding is that IW was set sometime around or after 2020. its fairly plausible that we can just consider the netflix series to be pre-IW

or if there was some massive time travel/reversal thing, then maybe they wont have memory of it.

i wouldnt waste too much energy thinking about it tbh, i treat netflix stuff pretty separately from the rest of MCU

that's 100% incorrect Stark says in IW he's been expericing PTSD for six years which coincides with the release of Avengers 1 in 2012 that 2020 number comes from a gaff in the Spider MAn homecoming script that made it through final production

[spurraider21]

that's 100% incorrect Stark says in IW he's been expericing PTSD for six years which coincides with the release of Avengers 1 in 2012 that 2020 number comes from a gaff in the Spider MAn homecoming script that made it through final production
yeah that's what has been used for the timeline. has marvel come out and said they made a mistake yet?

regardless, they could easily continue the netflix series as though it all happens before IW.

[leemajors]

I like that Luke Cage season 2 episode titles are Pete Rock and CL Smooth song titles. Just finished ep 10, and Iron Fist was good in it. Shame it took 2 series for him to get to this point, but worked well together.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

that's 100% incorrect Stark says in IW he's been expericing PTSD for six years which coincides with the release of Avengers 1 in 2012 that 2020 number comes from a gaff in the Spider MAn homecoming script that made it through final production

Classic wreck

[spurraider21]

fuck somehow i didnt realize luke cage had been out all this time :lol... gotta get on this

[Pavlov]

Before I start watching Luke Cage I want to give a quick plug for Cloak and Dagger on Freeform/Hulu. Given the teen protagonists and the network, it's surprisingly sophisticated and "adult." It's a protracted origin story different from the comics; more than halfway through the season neither the heroes nor the viewer know the full extent of their powers. The writing and principal acting are better than expected and reached a high with episode 7. It's a little to the Jessica Jones side being more psychological than action oriented -- and don't expect any MCU tie-ins except maybe a tenuous link to Agent Carter -- but it's really not bad at all.

[Blake]

I always had a hard time trying to figure out Cloak and Dagger.

Most heroes powers were pretty easy to figure out. These two were way too complicated.

I do want to check it out tho

[cd021]

re watching JJ season 1 ahead of me watching season 2, it's not bad but :lol at 13 episodes, 10 well paced episodes would significantly improve the series. Also some of the side characters are just silly and odd, even for a fictional series based on a comic book. Also still can't shake the comparison to Veronica Mars, minus the superhero abilities and not in love with Ritter's acting and many of the action sequences.

[cd021]

Before I start watching Luke Cage I want to give a quick plug for Cloak and Dagger on Freeform/Hulu. Given the teen protagonists and the network, it's surprisingly sophisticated and "adult." It's a protracted origin story different from the comics; more than halfway through the season neither the heroes nor the viewer know the full extent of their powers. The writing and principal acting are better than expected and reached a high with episode 7. It's a little to the Jessica Jones side being more psychological than action oriented -- and don't expect any MCU tie-ins except maybe a tenuous link to Agent Carter -- but it's really not bad at all.


I always had a hard time trying to figure out Cloak and Dagger.

Most heroes powers were pretty easy to figure out. These two were way too complicated.

I do want to check it out tho

heard Cloak and Dagger was good, may check it out.

[cd021]

I like that Luke Cage season 2 episode titles are Pete Rock and CL Smooth song titles. Just finished ep 10, and Iron Fist was good in it. Shame it took 2 series for him to get to this point, but worked well together.

Hope after season 2 of Iron Fist, they fold the show into one like how they did with the comics (they were paired together because of poor sales) Haven't seen LC season 2 but really enjoyed season 1. Iron Fist was trash in his own series and the Defenders.

[Trainwreck2100]

Hope after season 2 of Iron Fist, they fold the show into one like how they did with the comics (they were paired together because of poor sales) Haven't seen LC season 2 but really enjoyed season 1. Iron Fist was trash in his own series and the Defenders.

new showrunner for IF hopefully he doesn't fuck it up

[Pavlov]

I always had a hard time trying to figure out Cloak and Dagger.

Most heroes powers were pretty easy to figure out. These two were way too complicated.

I do want to check it out tho


heard Cloak and Dagger was good, may check it out.One thing's for sure: the writers are certainly aware of comic history. They just upended the by plot alluding to one controversial comic scene from Marvel and flipping the script on another from DC.

As I said before their origin is very different from the comics, but they did a good job taking advantage of the geography and culture of their production location (New Orleans) and worked it into the source of their powers and Cloak's -- um -- cloak.

Tenuous MCU connection alert: police detective says she knows "Misty" (Knight) from her time in New York.

Speaking of....about halfway through S2 of Luke Cage. Seems they're trying to make up for the mistake of losing Cottonmouth by trying going out of their way to make the villains more compelling. It's working with Bushmaster and Shades, not so much with Mariah.

[spurraider21]

just finished luke cage season 2. better than season 1 imo (still dont really understand the hype behind season 1). like seemingly all the recent marvel netflix stuff, there was a lull in those middle-late episodes... but things really ramped up in the last few

but the last 5-10 minutes didnt sit well with me. why DW was so pissed at luke... im pretty sure he deserves the benefit of the doubt tbh :lol. same with misty (though hearing he was about to take a meeting with carbone would justifiably cause suspicion, she was really pissy even before that). and then i didnt understand cage sending claire home.

im probably gonna have to digest it a while longer, but it just felt off after what was a solid season

[Pavlov]

just finished luke cage season 2. better than season 1 imo (still dont really understand the hype behind season 1). like seemingly all the recent marvel netflix stuff, there was a lull in those middle-late episodes... but things really ramped up in the last few

but the last 5-10 minutes didnt sit well with me. why DW was so pissed at luke... im pretty sure he deserves the benefit of the doubt tbh :lol. same with misty (though hearing he was about to take a meeting with carbone would justifiably cause suspicion, she was really pissy even before that). and then i didnt understand cage sending claire home.

im probably gonna have to digest it a while longer, but it just felt off after what was a solid seasonI think the Harlem friends were seeing that he was already acting like a crime boss in several ways and concluded it was only a matter of time before he actually became one. Luke was bringing back the status quo ante because he thought that was the only way to bring relative peace to the area he could control, so everyone else took the roles in reaction to Luke's taking the Cottonmouth role; DW took Pop's role, Misty took her old role. Luke may have concluded Claire wouldn't want any part of it once she found out or maybe just didn't want her exposed to any more danger.

I do agree it was better than season one overall. Season one got a bunch of hype because of all the black historical/cultural references which it probably overdid, but that was inevitable since it was just starting out (Black Lightning did the same). Now it's easier to focus on the stories of well-defined characters. They really fleshed out Shades, Bushmaster and Comanche well and almost completely rehabilitated Danny Rand in one hour. Did just enough work with DW and Sugar to justify keeping them in the series but losing so many antagonists might hurt -- it was Mariah's time (Woodard was great but soooooo old) but at least the door is open for some to pop up later.

[Reck]

I have systematically dropped a lot of these shows.

I've watched all at some point and in the end felt let down so I have dropped:

Luke Cage
Jessica Jones
The laughing stock that was Defenders


Daredevil remains top dog. No question.

I still have hope for Iron Fist. And The Punisher is right up there with DD.

I'm pissed that they have pushed DD season 3 so far off to make time for the other mediocre ones.

[spurraider21]

DD season 1 is the best thing they'e produced so far... but season 2 disappointed, and DD wasn't all that compelling in the Defenders. i like jessica jones quite a bit.

off the top of my head, my ranking would go something like this

1 - Daredevil season one
2 - Jessica Jones season one
3 - Daredevil season two
4 - Jessica Jones season two
5 - Punisher
6 - Luke Cage season 2
7 - Defenders
8 - Luke Cage season 1
9 - Iron Fist

i think 3-6 would probably be rearranged after some reflection or re-watching

[spurraider21]

I think the Harlem friends were seeing that he was already acting like a crime boss in several ways and concluded it was only a matter of time before he actually became one. Luke was bringing back the status quo ante because he thought that was the only way to bring relative peace to the area he could control, so everyone else took the roles in reaction to Luke's taking the Cottonmouth role; DW took Pop's role, Misty took her old role. Luke may have concluded Claire wouldn't want any part of it once she found out or maybe just didn't want her exposed to any more danger.

I do agree it was better than season one overall. Season one got a bunch of hype because of all the black historical/cultural references which it probably overdid, but that was inevitable since it was just starting out (Black Lightning did the same). Now it's easier to focus on the stories of well-defined characters. They really fleshed out Shades, Bushmaster and Comanche well and almost completely rehabilitated Danny Rand in one hour. Did just enough work with DW and Sugar to justify keeping them in the series but losing so many antagonists might hurt -- it was Mariah's time (Woodard was great but soooooo old) but at least the door is open for some to pop up later.
probably true.

mariah and shades were way more compelling this time around. Shades was incredibly lame in season 1 until that scene very late in the season in the elevator/rooftop scene where he actually looked badass. until then he just felt like a running joke and his entire character was literally "guy who puts on sunglasses a lot." mariah was very fun to follow this time, unlike season 1 where i didnt care.

i do get frustrated with the show in certain moments... like when Misty was arresting Nandi, only to have that end up being a fistfight when there are like 8 cops there with guns drawn. that shit is so stupid. that was the same situation that made the final fight in season 1 feel really stupid to me: luke and diamondback brawling in the street as the cops stand back and do absolutely nothing. i get that they want fistfights, but they should be written in a way where cops aren't standing 15 feet away.

[Pavlov]

Oh I can see the cops hanging back in those fights. In the first they hang back just to see what happens and in the second because they want Misty to kick Nandi's ass.

Man, that teaser trailer for Iron Fist sure does explain why his comic costume isn't used. I like that they sneak them into each series though.

[spurraider21]

Oh I can see the cops hanging back in those fights. In the first they hang back just to see what happens and in the second because they want Misty to kick Nandi's ass.

Man, that teaser trailer for Iron Fist sure does explain why his comic costume isn't used. I like that they sneak them into each series though.
those are both awful reasons lol

[Pavlov]

those are both awful reasons lolI guess; I would do exactly the same thing in their shoes tbh.

[lefty]

Lol

Iron Fist cancelled

1st Netflix show to be cancelled

[Xevious]

I wonder if they'll scrap the character altogether or just bring him back for Heroes for Hire/Defenders stuff. They did say that the roster may be different by the time Defenders season 2 comes around.

[lefty]

I wonder if they'll scrap the character altogether or just bring him back for Heroes for Hire/Defenders stuff. They did say that the roster may be different by the time Defenders season 2 comes around.

Finn Jones can't carry a show but he is ok in the defenders

[Reck]

Finn Jones can't carry a show but he is ok in the defenders

True. I can see Netflix rebooting the series with a stronger actor that doesn't look emo and gay in the not too distant future.

DD is a week away. The GOAT

[lefty]

True. I can see Netflix rebooting the series with a stronger actor that doesn't look emo and gay in the not too distant future.

DD is a week away. The GOAT
I haven't watched season 2 of both Luke Cage and Iron Fist yet :lol

[spurraider21]

I haven't watched season 2 of both Luke Cage and Iron Fist yet :lol
season 2 of luke cage was solid. gonna watch iron first then dd

[Reck]

I haven't watched season 2 of both Luke Cage and Iron Fist yet :lol

Same

I de-listed Iron Fist from my netflix queue. I hadn't started watching season 2 of it yet and since it was canceled there is less of a point of watching it now.

Honestly, Jessica Henwick was the only reason to watch it anyways. Eye candy and all that.

[Xevious]

True. I can see Netflix rebooting the series with a stronger actor that doesn't look emo and gay in the not too distant future.
Netflix/Marvel is not going to reboot the series with a new actor. If anything, I could sed them killing off Danny Rand during the next Defenders and maybe have somebody else take up the Iron Fist mantle. But they won't have a new series. It was fucked up from the beginning and the name is tarnished.

[Xevious]

I haven't watched season 2 of both Luke Cage and Iron Fist yet :lol

I haven't even watch JJ season 2 yet.

Red Dead Redemption 2 comes out next week, not going to even try watching this shit any time soon.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Just can't get into Luke Cage lol. Too slow.

[Spurzy]

Is it true that they canceled Iron Fist?

[cd021]

Is it true that they canceled Iron Fist?
Yep.

[cd021]

Netflix/Marvel is not going to reboot the series with a new actor. If anything, I could sed them killing off Danny Rand during the next Defenders and maybe have somebody else take up the Iron Fist mantle. But they won't have a new series. It was fucked up from the beginning and the name is tarnished.

Netflix could rename Luke Cage- "Heroes for Hire" and incorporate Iron Fists characters into the show. That or Disney's Streaming service could pick it up for the 3rd season just because they are probably desperate for as much content as possible and it has an audience- obviously not a very big one, but still.



I haven't even watch JJ season 2 yet.

Red Dead Redemption 2 comes out next week, not going to even try watching this shit any time soon.

Its fine, if not a labored watch. Its probably more consistently good than the first but still should have been 10 episodes.

[Xevious]

Its fine, if not a labored watch. Its probably more consistently good than the first but still should have been 10 episodes.
Probably the biggest reason why I haven't gotten around to the post-Defenders stuff. 13 episodes just feels like a slog to get through.

I can't imagine watching 24+ episode tv shows any more. :lol

[cd021]

Probably the biggest reason why I haven't gotten around to the post-Defenders stuff. 13 episodes just feels like a slog to get through.

I can't imagine watching 24+ episode tv shows any more. :lol


I'm apart of the Youtube generation, I literally can't watch for the 25 minutes of something without putting something else on :lol. I'm currently watching season 2 of West World and the last episode is 90 minutes, it's taken me 3 days and I still haven't finished it.

It must've taken me a month to get through Jessica Jones.

[spurraider21]

i saw a pretty good piece on why a lot of netflix shows drag... they are essentially 12 hour movies, which are impossible to actually be good and entertaining. in a lot of shows, you can point to particular episodes and be like "oh yeah that was a great episode lemme rewatch that."

with the marvel netflix stuff, each episode is just a small party of an overall story that ends with a cliffhanger so that you can stay on board for the next episode. i can think of some particularly good scenes in shows (some daredevil fight scenes come to mind), but i dont remember any episodes as standouts. they all just sorta blend into one big narrative

[Reck]

Daredevil season 3 tonight bitches.

[spurraider21]

about to get around to watching iron fist season 2 before starting DD season 3... even though i'm much more excited for DD

i insist on getting this shit done in the right order

[Reck]

about to get around to watching iron fist season 2 before starting DD season 3... even though i'm much more excited for DD

i insist on getting this shit done in the right order

Doesn't the fact that it got cancelled dissuades you from watching it? Disney *might* pick it up since they're also doing Marvel stuff but I doubt it.

[spurraider21]

Doesn't the fact that it got cancelled dissuades you from watching it? Disney *might* pick it up since they're also doing Marvel stuff but I doubt it.
nah, it's all still part of the same universe. for all we know rand can make more cameos like he did in Luke Cage season 2, or maybe another Defenders, i dno. still might be worthwhile, plus the reviews for IF season 2 were not really that bad

[Pavlov]

*SPOILER ALERT* I guess.

I think IF2 set up a season three nicely if it moves to Disney with a thankfully pared-down cast -- a Danny/Ward road trip could actually work if they pump up the humor -- although Danny's new power looks incredibly stupid. All the others who were getting too much screen time on IF can spin off into what looks like an inevitable Daughters of the Dragon spinoff, although Colleen's new power looks incredibly stupid.

The overall story was better but still so poorly written I can't blame Netflix for killing it in it's present form. Typhoid Mary had such a labored rollout that I wanted Davos or Joy to kill her before the big reveal which still never came. She looks too much like Trish Walker and has the same goddamn last name.

[leemajors]

Luke Cage cancelled

[Xevious]

:lol

[Reck]

Luke Cage cancelled

Ouch.

Although I always thought Luke Cage was pretty boring. Quit midway through season 1.

I'm thinking Jessica Jones is next. Netflix might do well focusing on Daredevil and Punisher while doing a Defenders season in between years.

[leemajors]

I’m on ep 10 of Daredevil season 3, and it’s pretty damn good imo. Kingpin.

[Sable84]

Does anybody watch Arrow? I am on the 6th episode of season 6.

[lefty]

Does anybody watch Arrow? I am on the 6th episode of season 6.

Run while you still can

[Reck]

Arrow was good until season 3 or 4 which is where I stopped.

The Flash is still in it's prime and still good so I'm enjoying it while it lasts.

[leemajors]

Arrow was good until season 3 or 4 which is where I stopped.

The Flash is still in it's prime and still good so I'm enjoying it while it lasts.

Meh, they are doing the time travel hijinks shit again, just with his daughter instead.

[Pavlov]

The casts of all the CW shows just went out of control except for Black Lightning, and that's probably next. They also have a terrible habit of Mary Sue-ing their main female characters. And is the Oracle method of smart people on computers yelling in heroes' earpieces about how to beat the bad guys the only way to make a DC show these days? Actually intrigued by the Swamp Thing and Doom Patrol shows coming up on the streaming service if they can capture the weirdness of those comics.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

The casts of all the CW shows just went out of control except for Black Lightning, and that's probably next. They also have a terrible habit of Mary Sue-ing their main female characters. And is the Oracle method of smart people on computers yelling in heroes' earpieces about how to beat the bad guys the only way to make a DC show these days? Actually intrigued by the Swamp Thing and Doom Patrol shows coming up on the streaming service if they can capture the weirdness of those comics.

Doom Patrol is getting a show? Isn't that a Grant Morrison joint?

[Pavlov]

Doom Patrol is getting a show? Isn't that a Grant Morrison joint?Looks like they're basing it at least partly on his run since Crazy Jane is in it. Has a nice cast: Timothy Dalton, Alan Tudyk and at least the voices/flashbacks of Brendan Fraser and Matt Bomer. If they introduce Danny the Street I'll shell out for the service just to reward the audacity.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Looks like they're basing it at least partly on his run since Crazy Jane is in it. Has a nice cast: Timothy Dalton, Alan Tudyk and at least the voices/flashbacks of Brendan Fraser and Matt Bomer. If they introduce Danny the Street I'll shell out for the service just to reward the audacity.

Wow..Never thought we'd hear from Fraser again since he got #MeTooed.
I might check that outta curiosity.

[Pavlov]

Wow..Never thought we'd hear from Fraser again since he got #MeTooed.
I might check that outta curiosity.He's been great in a couple of limited series lately. Trust on FX and Condor on the Audience Network, which also has #metoo veteran Mira Sorvino. Hopefully this continues the mini Brendanaissance.

[Reck]

I’m on ep 10 of Daredevil season 3, and it’s pretty damn good imo. Kingpin.

2 episodes in. Just pure quality.

They found the sweet spot with this show. Even scenes that dont involve Matt/Daredevil actiony scenes are compelling as fuck.

Kingpin dialogue scenes are poetry.

[redzero]

Season 3 is the best so far. Bullseye is awesome and the show isn't being bogged down by stupid ninja shit like Season 2 was.

I don't think it needed to be 13 episodes, though. These MCU Netflix shows really do like to stretch their length.

[spurraider21]

really encouraged by DD season 3 reviews

i've got 2 episodes left of iron fist... this season is a substantial improvement to season 1, but still doesn't hold a candle to DD or JJ season 1.

[Reck]

Season 3 of DD was incredible. I dont agree that 13 episodes were too much.

Just enough, imo. Little time padding. The church/father/nun thing is the only little gripe I can think of that added to the running time.

I also thought the way they introduced Bullseye was just right. I dont know if they were concious of the way Colin Ferral played (And killed) this character but the way these writers worked him in this series was dead on. (No pun intended :lol )

[Quadzilla99]

Luke Cage cancelled

Wow, just heard this. Depressing

[spurraider21]

Wow, just heard this. Depressing
yeah, i thought season 2 dragged for a bit, but the ending was pretty sweet and was a nice cliffhanger.

[redzero]

I love how Bullseye still (somehow) managed to kick Daredevil's ass every time, despite being completely outclassed in hand-to-hand combat. My only complaint is that he had complete tunnel vision, or else he could have killed Daredevil and Kingpin both.

[lefty]

RIP this thread

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Man this fucking sucks.
Season 3 was so legit. Loved bullseye.
I guess punisher season 2 will RIP the rated R marvel Netflix era

[Pavlov]

Yeah, everything has to be moving to Disney+. The shows -- even Iron Fist now -- are too good to just let die with all that programming to fill. They're all going to be cheaper than the Loki-type series they have been discussing and have their own continuity.

If you think about Netflix's business plan, that's just a shit ton of content they have been buying and producing. It's tough to have a focus on anything the way they acquire and release shows and movies. Everyone knows when stuff is coming out on the networks -- basically three windows every year. Netflix? Check the algorithm, I guess.

[Spurs da champs]

Damn I thought Daredevil was untouchable, smh. Daredevil needs to stay dark & violent, if it truly does transition to Disney+, which ain't likely.

[Pavlov]

Damn I thought Daredevil was untouchable, smh. Daredevil needs to stay dark & violent, if it truly does transition to Disney+, which ain't likely.Guess there's a chance it could go to Hulu. They still have to do something with that.

[Trainwreck2100]

RIP this thread

that's okay we still got jessica jones


jessica jones is ass

[LaMarcus Bryant]

that's okay we still got jessica jones


jessica jones is ass

LOLLLL. Would you rather no-nut November for the ENTIRE November or watch Jessica Jones season 1 all in one sitting?

[spurraider21]

JJ s1 was fucking great tbh

[spurraider21]

Yeah, everything has to be moving to Disney+. The shows -- even Iron Fist now -- are too good to just let die with all that programming to fill. They're all going to be cheaper than the Loki-type series they have been discussing and have their own continuity.

If you think about Netflix's business plan, that's just a shit ton of content they have been buying and producing. It's tough to have a focus on anything the way they acquire and release shows and movies. Everyone knows when stuff is coming out on the networks -- basically three windows every year. Netflix? Check the algorithm, I guess.
dunno about the rights involved and all that, but would they be able to pick up and continue the same versions on Disney+?

[Pavlov]

dunno about the rights involved and all that, but would they be able to pick up and continue the same versions on Disney+?I believe Disney has the rights to all the characters and stories. Netflix just owns the episodes they produced for a period of time.

Just from looking at a list of exclusive programming on Disney+, it's very family oriented. It might make more sense to move the more adult Netflix shows to Hulu. Get the streaming rights to Agents of Shield back and it becomes one-stop shopping for every Disney/Marvel TV show made. Logically the movie tie-in shows can stay on Disney+, where all the movies will be.

But it could be all academic. Who knows what the fallout will be from the upcoming merger and all the programming platforms Disney will then own? It's a lot of stuff.

[leemajors]

Yeah, everything has to be moving to Disney+. The shows -- even Iron Fist now -- are too good to just let die with all that programming to fill. They're all going to be cheaper than the Loki-type series they have been discussing and have their own continuity.

If you think about Netflix's business plan, that's just a shit ton of content they have been buying and producing. It's tough to have a focus on anything the way they acquire and release shows and movies. Everyone knows when stuff is coming out on the networks -- basically three windows every year. Netflix? Check the algorithm, I guess.

Will Disney's PG13 service really have Daredevil, Punisher, or Jessica Jones? I think it's much more likely to be on Hulu since they bought a bigger stake there recently if at all.

[spurraider21]

I believe Disney has the rights to all the characters and stories. Netflix just owns the episodes they produced for a period of time.

Just from looking at a list of exclusive programming on Disney+, it's very family oriented. It might make more sense to move the more adult Netflix shows to Hulu. Get the streaming rights to Agents of Shield back and it becomes one-stop shopping for every Disney/Marvel TV show made. Logically the movie tie-in shows can stay on Disney+, where all the movies will be.

But it could be all academic. Who knows what the fallout will be from the upcoming merger and all the programming platforms Disney will then own? It's a lot of stuff.
:tu gotcha thanks

i really hope they pick them up... daredevil easily has enough juice to continue on its own. maybe they should just combine cage/fist into Heroes for Hire/Daughters of the Dragon, as I don't think either series has been doing all that great individually.

[Pavlov]

Will Disney's PG13 service really have Daredevil, Punisher, or Jessica Jones? I think it's much more likely to be on Hulu since they bought a bigger stake there recently if at all.Yeah, I posted my thoughts on that right before you posted. Disney+ looks like it's very traditionally Disney. Hulu could be the adult-oriented service.


:tu gotcha thanks

i really hope they pick them up... daredevil easily has enough juice to continue on its own. maybe they should just combine cage/fist into Heroes for Hire/Daughters of the Dragon, as I don't think either series has been doing all that great individually.It all depends on what Disney wants and if they feel it's worth the money. I think it could be significant that Cloak and Dagger and AoS were renewed with their sizable budgets in no small part due to their time-shifted ratings and streaming on Hulu. It's an open question whether Hulu could handle five $40 million Marvel productions on their own, but one would think 2 or 3 with consolidation and guest spots doesn't seem impossible.

[Reck]

Does Disney really have a shot in the streaming game?

There are too many other streaming companies to choose from that isn't solely dependent on their family oriented tv shows or movies and whatnot.

Amazon Prime is now going at the same rate Netflix is. HBO Now goes for about the same and all those have the family thing plus the adult oriented content.

[spurraider21]

i dont see why not. especially if disney+ is going to (eventually) have all MCU films available on their platform

[Pavlov]

Content is king and Disney+ can pick and choose from everything they have from Disney/Pixar/Marvel/Lucasfilm/Fox in the movies and TV. Netflix still flounders around with its original content while the corporate and creative knowledge of Disney after Jan 1 is off the charts. The family angle seems pretty smart because most of the buzz around other services are around pretty adult programs now that I think about it.

[Xevious]

Disney is not going to pick up these series where they left off as Netflix has the exclusive rights to the seasons which they produced. It would be really weird to watch seasons 1-whatever on Netflix and the rest on Disney. Especially since the tone and direction of each would likely change. These shows, except for a few easter eggs, have mostly ignored the MCU and are likely too "adult" (especially Punisher) for Disney. And I don't think they'll move to another service like Hulu. Disney wants to keep all of their content in-house from here on out. At best we can hope that they use some of the characters in other projects without requiring too much knowledge of what transpired on Netflix.. Daredevil is a given. Kingpin could even be used in a Spiderman film even if it's just for a secondary role.

[Isitjustme?]

Disney+ is supposed to be like $20 bucks forget that. I can just download the MCU and Star Wars movies if I want to watch one plus I can get the despecialized versions of Star Wars that way anyway

[Pavlov]

Hulu is going to be in-house after Disney takes over Fox and buys out AT&T's share.

[Reck]

Disney+ is supposed to be like $20 bucks forget that. I can just download the MCU and Star Wars movies if I want to watch one plus I can get the despecialized versions of Star Wars that way anyway

I wonder what Disney's play will be for the non Marvel obssesed people will be. I like the shows and movies but I'm not such a fan that I would get the service just base on that and for that alone.

I'd sooner be a prime user than a Disney one. I dont see the overall appeal.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Agreed. No chance in hell I pay for a Disney streaming service. I seen all the marvel movies a ton of times already anyways.

[spurraider21]

Disney is not going to pick up these series where they left off as Netflix has the exclusive rights to the seasons which they produced. It would be really weird to watch seasons 1-whatever on Netflix and the rest on Disney. Especially since the tone and direction of each would likely change. These shows, except for a few easter eggs, have mostly ignored the MCU and are likely too "adult" (especially Punisher) for Disney. And I don't think they'll move to another service like Hulu. Disney wants to keep all of their content in-house from here on out. At best we can hope that they use some of the characters in other projects without requiring too much knowledge of what transpired on Netflix.. Daredevil is a given. Kingpin could even be used in a Spiderman film even if it's just for a secondary role.
we've seen different networks pick up shows and continue them before, though

[Pavlov]

Variety is reporting Disney can't do anything with the Netflix characters for two years. Probably impossible to get the principals and showrunners back together.

Punisher is a possible exception since it was a separate deal.

[spurraider21]

Variety is reporting Disney can't do anything with the Netflix characters for two years. Probably impossible to get the principals and showrunners back together.

Punisher is a possible exception since it was a separate deal.
det was my fear

such a shame. when i thought the series was really losing momentum, DD put out one of the best overall seasons... then cancelled

[spurraider21]

punisher season 2 is unwatchable

forced myself to get through the first 4 episodes. dont think i can continue tbh

[Will Hunting]

punisher season 2 is unwatchable

forced myself to get through the first 4 episodes. dont think i can continue tbh
Yeah I got halfway through and said fuck this. The acting is really bad and it’s one mindlessly gruesome fight scene after another. I also didn’t remember Bernthal’s punisher voice to be so deep and over the top :lol

[spurraider21]

Yeah I got halfway through and said fuck this. The acting is really bad and it’s one mindlessly gruesome fight scene after another. I also didn’t remember Bernthal’s punisher voice to be so deep and over the top :lol
i dont mind bernthal at all. he's the only good part of the show. amy is trash. madani is trash. russo is trash. his shrink is trash. generic religious zealot villain is trash.

[lefty]

punisher season 2 is unwatchable

forced myself to get through the first 4 episodes. dont think i can continue tbh

Agreed

Season 1 was good but season is just free violence at this point

[lefty20]

Season was meh, don't like the fact that they recycled the villain and just threw in a Harley Quinn for giggles. Pilgrim was aight.

[leemajors]

I liked it. Probably would have been better if Jigsaw was the secondary villain and Pilgrim was the main villain, he was way more interesting.

[Xevious]

That sucks to hear. I liked season one.

I wonder how long they'll wait to announce the cancellation.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Really??? That really sucks. Was looking forward to this.

[SpursWoman]

I liked it. Probably would have been better if Jigsaw was the secondary villain and Pilgrim was the main villain, he was way more interesting.


I agree with this.

Not crazy about the young girl, though .... I kinda wished they'd worked in the girl from first episodes.

[lefty]

SPOILERS AHEAD






Iron Fist season 2 was meh, better than season 1, but still meh

FInn Jones can’t carry a show tbh, he’s better when he is playing a secondary character, his cameo in Luke Cage season 2 was good for instance.

Ward has been by far my favorite character in both sessons.
Ward is awesome tbh :lol
His girlfriend was an interesting character, the actress did a great job imo

I really like Typhoid Mary, although we haven’t seen the Typhoid Mary personality per se, I think that’s who she was hinting at in the finale

[spurraider21]

SPOILERS AHEAD






Iron Fist season 2 was meh, better than season 1, but still meh

FInn Jones can’t carry a show tbh, he’s better when he is playing a secondary character, his cameo in Luke Cage season 2 was good for instance.

Ward has been by far my favorite character in both sessons.
Ward is awesome tbh :lol
His girlfriend was an interesting character, the actress did a great job imo

I really like Typhoid Mary, although we haven’t seen the Typhoid Mary personality per se, I think that’s who she was hinting at in the finale
i thought ward was complete dogshit in season 1 but was good in season 2.

i think instead of doing luke cage and iron fist separately they should have just done heroes for hire/daughters of the dragon as one show.

[lefty]

i thought ward was complete dogshit in season 1 but was good in season 2.

i think instead of doing luke cage and iron fist separately they should have just done heroes for hire/daughters of the dragon as one show.
Agreed

[Pavlov]

SPOILERS AHEAD






Iron Fist season 2 was meh, better than season 1, but still meh

FInn Jones can’t carry a show tbh, he’s better when he is playing a secondary character, his cameo in Luke Cage season 2 was good for instance.

Ward has been by far my favorite character in both sessons.
Ward is awesome tbh :lol
His girlfriend was an interesting character, the actress did a great job imo

I really like Typhoid Mary, although we haven’t seen the Typhoid Mary personality per se, I think that’s who she was hinting at in the finaleWard had by far the best arc of all the characters. Danny and Coleen didn't really start their arcs until The Defenders. Buck and the S1 writers really did a terrible job trying to show Danny was a profoundly damaged man and instead had him come off as a whiny, impulsive douche.

Typhoid Mary Sue was a little much for me, but could get better. Joy was oddly OK as a completely unreasonable bitch.

Agree that Danny isn't compelling enough to continue a show on his own. He was good in The Defenders and really good in Luke Cage. I think Cage would run out of steam quickly as a lead if his show continued too so I'm all for an ensemble show with Heroes for Hire and Daughters of the Dragon maybe with an exasperated Ward trying to manage all the personalities.

I'd be interested to know if Misty's character could be used in other shows, namely Cloak and Dagger where she's already been named as former partner to season two's apparent main villain, Mayhem. A one-episode appearance could be easily done as Tyrone could just teleport her from and back to New York when his powers evolve to that point.

[cd021]

SPOILERS AHEAD






Iron Fist season 2 was meh, better than season 1, but still meh

FInn Jones can’t carry a show tbh, he’s better when he is playing a secondary character, his cameo in Luke Cage season 2 was good for instance.

Ward has been by far my favorite character in both sessons.
Ward is awesome tbh :lol
His girlfriend was an interesting character, the actress did a great job imo

I really like Typhoid Mary, although we haven’t seen the Typhoid Mary personality per se, I think that’s who she was hinting at in the finale

Was very critical of his acting in season 1 but has been much better in the first four episodes of season 2, that being said, he really can't carry a show.

[cd021]

i thought ward was complete dogshit in season 1 but was good in season 2.

i think instead of doing luke cage and iron fist separately they should have just done heroes for hire/daughters of the dragon as one show.

Agreed. Also, make the seasons 10 episodes to make for better pacing. Halfway thru season 2 of Iron Fist and am fairly impressed by the improvement, would like to see more Coleen in the future and Misty actually wasn't annoying. Add in Luke Cage and that could be a pretty good show.


punisher season 2 is unwatchable

Really surprised by that, yeesh. May second guess watching it now, unless there is going to be a season 3-which is rumored to feature Daredevil and King Pin if it were to happen.

[spurraider21]

Agreed. Also, make the seasons 10 episodes to make for better pacing. Halfway thru season 2 of Iron Fist and am fairly impressed by the improvement, would like to see more Coleen in the future and Misty actually wasn't annoying. Add in Luke Cage and that could be a pretty good show.



Really surprised by that, yeesh. May second guess watching it now, unless there is going to be a season 3-which is rumored to feature Daredevil and King Pin if it were to happen.

umm, all the marvel/netflix shows are getting cancelled. the run is over after JJ season 3

[Pavlov]

Punisher S3 got better late but again only should've been ten episodes. 13 ends up showcasing bad actors fumbling through obvious filler. Pretty satisfying ending right up until the epilogue, where it goes over the top for no reason. Not as badly as Iron Fist did, but same kind of thing. One cameo was good, another was almost complete waste except for a weird fetish joke.

Will be interesting to see if the Punisher character is subject to the same restriction as those in the other Netflix series.

[cd021]

umm, all the marvel/netflix shows are getting cancelled. the run is over after JJ season 3

I know. Was talking about if they were going to get picked up by Disney + and as if Punisher wasn't going to be axed by Netflix.

[leemajors]

Punisher S3 got better late but again only should've been ten episodes. 13 ends up showcasing bad actors fumbling through obvious filler. Pretty satisfying ending right up until the epilogue, where it goes over the top for no reason. Not as badly as Iron Fist did, but same kind of thing. One cameo was good, another was almost complete waste except for a weird fetish joke.

Will be interesting to see if the Punisher character is subject to the same restriction as those in the other Netflix series.

I would assume since he showed up first in DD S2 it would be.

[Pavlov]

:lol @ Punisher snuff-fests ever showing up on Disney+

If the rights are available and the numbers are right it'd be more likely to end up on Hulu. If Disney believes in Marvel TV at all, they should just pay up and get all the TV shows (first run and other networks' reruns) on that platform and start working on the synergy from there.

[Pavlov]

I would assume since he showed up first in DD S2 it would be.I guess, but the Punisher show itself was on a separate contract made after that, so maybe it supercedes the original.

[spurraider21]

against my better judgment, i've pressed on through punisher, just finished episode 09 yesterday. the plot has finally become more coherent, but i still think the dialogue is ass and things are still dreadfully slow, at least with the character development and such. the action sequences are very in your face, so thats at least fun

i still feel like it's a chore watching the show, honestly. but after having watched all 11 prior seasons of marvels netflix series, i kinda feel an obligation to see it through.

[Pavlov]

against my better judgment, i've pressed on through punisher, just finished episode 09 yesterday. the plot has finally become more coherent, but i still think the dialogue is ass and things are still dreadfully slow, at least with the character development and such. the action sequences are very in your face, so thats at least funYeah, the three worst supporting actors get the most screen time and the best are criminally underused for all the filler time available. The double-track plot learned nothing from Spider-Man 3.

[spurraider21]

ok, so episode 10 was actually pretty fantastic and 11 was strong too. will probably wrap it up tonight or tomorrow.

episode 10 was a much needed shot in the arm

[leemajors]

All canceled now.

[Trainwreck2100]

Its such a travesty that jessica jones somehow got 3 seasons

[spurraider21]

Its such a travesty that jessica jones somehow got 3 seasons
jessica jones was second only to daredevil imo.

i will say that both JJ and Luke Cage had too much filler

[Pavlov]

On the DC side, Titans S1 was a jumbled edgelord mess and Doom Patrol is off to a great start.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

We will always have that first viewing of the DD staircase scene to treasure in our hearts. RIP Marvel Netflix Universe.

[cd021]

We will always have that first viewing of the DD staircase scene to treasure in our hearts. RIP Marvel Netflix Universe.

Instant classic :wow

[cd021]

Mixed emotions on the Marvel Netflix series'

Daredevil was far and away the best series and exceeded expectations.

Jessica Jones was a bit overrated, actually liked Luke Cage and though Iron Fist was a bit of a mess.


them together didn't work and almost certainly killed enthusiasm for future seasons and contributed to their cancellation.

[spurraider21]

without picking apart season by season, i'd say DD-JJ-IF-LC

the hype luke cage got never made any sense to me. iron fist season 1 was pretty poor. season 2 was decent. i didnt like either luke cage season. the villains were poor. and bushmaster with his repetitive correcting everytime somebody said dillard. STOKES. Mariah... STOKES.

[spurraider21]

oh. and punisher probably between Jessica Jones and Iron Fist. punisher season 1 was quite good. i thought season 2 was a complete disaster but it finished strong.

[leemajors]

I liked Luke Cage a lot, from the locations to the music to the episode titles. I'd put it behind Daredevil.

[spurraider21]

luke cage and iron fist were both corny as hell, but danny being corny at least had some reasoning to it, given his upbringing. luke was brought up in harlem and isn't old enough to have corny dad humor without it seeming awkward.

the fight choreography sucked on both shows. luke was just lazily throwing people around, while iron fist's kung fu was awful in season 1.

i dont think either show was good enough to carry on its own. they should have just made heroes for hire. luke and danny getting to know each other through claire was one of the few bright spots of the Defenders, for instance. they had good chemistry. iron fist's appearance in luke cage season 2 was also the bright spot of that season

[spurraider21]

Just finished Jessica jones season 3. Thought it was pretty good tbh. JJ and DD both had very strong third seasons. Shame to see the whole thing getting cancelled.

If they just combined IF and LC i think the series would have been better received but imo those two dragged it down because neither could carry solo acts.

Defenders letdown also hurt.

[Pavlov]

Yeah, I wish they could bring in the characters to Disney+/Hulu in a couple years but the current actors are getting old in the meantime. Might as well just wait for another phase to revive these guys.

[Xevious]

Going forward if there was a way to salvage anything, Marvel needs to try to bring back Charlie Cox and Vincent D'onofrio. The other characters I'd be okay without.

[spurraider21]

krysten ritter too, imho. i think she's been fantastic as jones. but she's also said she doesnt anticipate reprising the role again