View Full Version : Heh, Morey.
Marcus Bryant
04-10-2015, 09:51 PM
Still can't believe Les pays you for your 'Moneyball' ass wannabe.
Our GM is a court-certified drunkard and...:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:
Uriel
04-11-2015, 08:08 AM
Our GM is a court-certified drunkard and...:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:
:lmao
Brazil
04-11-2015, 08:11 AM
:lol
Morey has done a pretty good job, tbh. Injuries happen.
Morey has done a pretty good job, tbh. Injuries happen.
I know, Splitter is 10x the player Beverly is. Think he misses Dragic, Lowry or even Lin now?
Well just imagine. They could have had bosh.that was really close. But I guess in that alternative world Bosh is still injured, so yeah lol Morey.
Mel_13
04-11-2015, 09:10 AM
Morey has done a pretty good job, tbh. Injuries happen.
He's had the job since 2007 and the team has won just one playoff series in that time. Pretty slim returns by most any reasonable accounting.
hater
04-11-2015, 09:13 AM
Can someone post Barkleys comments on Rockets last 2 losses? :lol
The theory of Dwight And harden together, plus shooters, was good. Dwight has just been a disaster for them, and houston hasnt found those reliable 3 point shooters morey craves so much.
Anyone else doubt that if Morey found a deal for Howard this summer that he wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger?
RD2191
04-11-2015, 09:41 AM
The theory of Dwight And harden together, plus shooters, was good. Dwight has just been a disaster for them, and houston hasnt found those reliable 3 point shooters morey craves so much.
Anyone else doubt that if Morey found a deal for Howard this summer that he wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger?
gotta cut dwight some slack. he is on a minutes restriction.
unleashbaynes
04-11-2015, 09:45 AM
Morey is a dumbshit for thinking he can just slap together a team and they'll automatically have chemistry and play together. Add to that the fact that he tries to dictate the style of play and just wants a yes man coach and he's a complete retard.
AFBlue
04-11-2015, 09:58 AM
He's had the job since 2007 and the team has won just one playoff series in that time. Pretty slim returns by most any reasonable accounting.
I'm sure there's an advanced metric that would refute your basic claim...and he will find it.
He's had the job since 2007 and the team has won just one playoff series in that time. Pretty slim returns by most any reasonable accounting.
True, but it takes awhile to build a winner and he did get Harden and Howard. He also didnt have the benefit of multiple top 4 lottery picks. Houston was stuck in the middle of the not good enough to make the playoffs, but not bad enough to get a great lottery pick. He's done pretty good to build what they got. I'm not saying that he's on RC's level, but he's by no means a bad GM.
Horse
04-11-2015, 10:10 AM
Morey has done a pretty good job, tbh. Injuries happen.
Loading up on bigs who can't shoot free throws with the Spurs in your division?
The theory of Dwight And harden together, plus shooters, was good. Dwight has just been a disaster for them, and houston hasnt found those reliable 3 point shooters morey craves so much.
Anyone else doubt that if Morey found a deal for Howard this summer that he wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger?
No, Howard is good for them defensively and his offense has improved surprisingly. He has major flaws, but Bc the center position is so weak, he's a plus match up for them in almost every match up. He's been injured a lot this season, so we need more time before they write off the experiment.
Loading up on bigs who can't shoot free throws with the Spurs in your division?
Yea, well Tim Duncan and Tiago Splitter used to have that same problem. Thank God we didn't drop them bc their free throw shooting needed work. Same with Bruce Bowen. Different teams have used the same Pop strategy against each of those guys until they got better at the line.
Mel_13
04-11-2015, 10:17 AM
True, but it takes awhile to build a winner and he did get Harden and Howard. He also didnt have the benefit of multiple top 4 lottery picks. Houston was stuck in the middle of the not good enough to make the playoffs, but not bad enough to get a great lottery pick. He's done pretty good to build what they got. I'm not saying that he's on RC's level, but he's by no means a bad GM.
He constantly chases the big move and ignores chemistry and continuity. Plus, he's retained McHale as his Head Coach. Perhaps not a bottom tier GM, but he is often portrayed as some sort of genius on the cutting edge of sports team management and he's nothing close to that.
He constantly chases the big move and ignores chemistry and continuity. Plus, he's retained McHale as his Head Coach. Perhaps not a bottom tier GM, but he is often portrayed as some sort of genius on the cutting edge of sports team management and he's nothing close to that.
He was chasing a star and he got Harden. That move has worked well. Yes he's trying to get stars as he has seen how well the Spurs three star system works. That said, chemistry is a problem, but that's generally something GMs just hope a team can work through. Heck the Spurs had chemistry issues as they tried to work Kawhi into a number one scorer and dealt with injuries. They took awhile to click and most of our team has been together awhile. I think Moerey wants continuity, but he's still tweaking the roster. The Spurs are the model and I think he's try to follow it.
Mel_13
04-11-2015, 10:27 AM
He was chasing a star and he got Harden. That move has worked well. Yes he's trying to get stars as he has seen how well the Spurs three star system works. That said, chemistry is a problem, but that's generally something GMs just hope a team can work through. Heck the Spurs had chemistry issues as they tried to work Kawhi into a number one scorer and dealt with injuries. They took awhile to click and most of our team has been together awhile. I think Moerey wants continuity, but he's still tweaking the roster. The Spurs are the model and I think he's try to follow it.
Well, we're looking at the same thing and coming to different conclusions. You see tweaks and I see wholesale changes made annually.
horsielove
04-11-2015, 10:30 AM
Yeah, but how the fuck did you get 1mirrion posts?
No, Howard is good for them defensively and his offense has improved surprisingly. He has major flaws, but Bc the center position is so weak, he's a plus match up for them in almost every match up. He's been injured a lot this season, so we need more time before they write off the experiment.
Dwight hasn't been dominant since he left Orlando. Injuries have had a lot to do with that of course, but thats part of the point. Agree that, when healthy, he is a positive for them on defense compared to what they have on the roster. But even in yesterday's game you saw some of the kind of fundamental defensive assignment lapses he's been making his whole career.
It's sad that, after more than 10' years of this guy, we have to continue to talk about him "improving" on offense. His declining health only magnify the fact that he really never evolved in that area over his career.
Dude might be an overpaid Rudy Gobert at this point in his career. Would definitely be listening to offers on the low if I was Morey. Also, he and KD have some sort of beef, so if you have any hope of landing KD if you're Houston you have think about that.
So who thinks this is Houston's peak, regular seasons 2nd place champ, first or second round exit?
Ideally, you let the Harden, Dwight, McHale core gel for about three years before you write them off. But, is there any realistic chance they'll get better. The extra gear could be better outside shooting, total team defense, dwight finally getting healthy, McHale fired.
But if those things were easy woudn't they have happened? They did increase the defense but not really to championship level.
So who thinks this is Houston's peak, regular seasons 2nd place champ, first or second round exit?
Ideally, you let the Harden, Dwight, McHale core gel for about three years before you write them off. But, is there any realistic chance they'll get better. The extra gear could be better outside shooting, total team defense, dwight finally getting healthy, McHale fired.
But if those things were easy woudn't they have happened? They did increase the defense but not really to championship level.
They are missing that 3rd star. If they had signed Bosh and he hadn't gotten injured, they would be at the top with Spurs and GS. They have pieces, but are missing that third scorer. That said, they've been pretty good this season with major injuries. It's hard to win a title, so it's not a complete failure if they don't as long as they have legit playoff success. That hasn't happened yet, but it could and definitely would in the East. They are just unlucky bc they play in the best basketball division in the league and the best conference.
Spurs don't have that third star though. Spurs clearly have more talent overall. But you can't use the free agency fail, the Dwight injury, Beverly injured, Etc as reasons not to improve other things. It's almost like when Dwight went down they settled on winning the mvp race.
Spurs don't have that third star though. Spurs clearly have more talent overall. But you can't use the free agency fail, the Dwight injury, Beverly injured, Etc as reasons not to improve other things. It's almost like when Dwight went down they settled on winning the mvp race.
Historically they have and arguably still do with Parker, Duncan, and Leonard. They do have a lot of mid tier players that are good too. I think you try and get as good a talent as you can get. When Howard went down, they went on a run that got them the 2 seed spot until they lost it recently trying to work Howard back into the line up. Harden was in the MVP race precisely bc they were winning and Harden was dominating.
Mr Bones
04-11-2015, 12:36 PM
The idea of an advanced stats guy getting Josh Smith is a confusing one... the advanced stats on him in Detroit showed he was one of the worst shooters in the NBA, and the eye test/reputation test said he was bad for team chemistry... I'm sure Morey was thinking they could use his defense while reeling in his bad shot attempts, but no other coach or GM has been able to do that in ten years so it was obviously a risk...
Mel_13
04-11-2015, 12:41 PM
The idea of an advanced stats guy getting Josh Smith is a confusing one... the advanced stats on him in Detroit showed he was one of the worst shooters in the NBA, and the eye test/reputation test said he was bad for team chemistry... I'm sure Morey was thinking they could use his defense while reeling in his bad shot attempts, but no other coach or GM has been able to do that in ten years so it was obviously a risk...
And Brewer. Brewer and Smith are two of the worst high volume 3-point shooters in NBA history. Having two such players in the rotation of a team with an offense that features the 3 point shot doesn't pass the common sense test, imo.
Malik Hairston
04-11-2015, 01:24 PM
Can someone post Barkleys comments on Rockets last 2 losses? :lol
Barkley said the Spurs and Warriors aren't real contenders, too:lol..
Malik Hairston
04-11-2015, 01:26 PM
And Brewer. Brewer and Smith are two of the worst high volume 3-point shooters in NBA history. Having two such players in the rotation of a team with an offense that features the 3 point shot doesn't pass the common sense test, imo.
He has also stuck with an anti-analytics coach, too..
Morey is the "analytics guy", but he doesn't really practice what he preaches..
Marcus Bryant
04-14-2015, 09:50 PM
He's had the job since 2007 and the team has won just one playoff series in that time. Pretty slim returns by most any reasonable accounting.
:tu
The Red Sox were into Sabermetrics, Morey used to work for the Celtics and went to MIT, ergo something.
exstatic
04-14-2015, 10:07 PM
The idea of an advanced stats guy getting Josh Smith is a confusing one... the advanced stats on him in Detroit showed he was one of the worst shooters in the NBA, and the eye test/reputation test said he was bad for team chemistry... I'm sure Morey was thinking they could use his defense while reeling in his bad shot attempts, but no other coach or GM has been able to do that in ten years so it was obviously a risk...
It's also a case of keeping your stars happy. Josh and Dwight are boyz.
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