All-NBA first to third teams

[apalisoc_9]

Some consensus issues voters are having right now.

- Boggie and Gasol are the only two legit center candidate. The former has played 59 games and the later has been so underwhelming the last 30 games

- Butler, Thompson, Irving, Wall, all in the mix for third team..Lots of disagreement.

- Tim Duncan is going to be in one of the teams..I haven't heard anyone that doesn't have him..The issue is, is he center or PF..he's clearly a C though..But I will personally have him as a PF..

- No one know what to with Kawhi Leonard. Almost everyone I've heard said he has played as a top 5 player in the last month and half...the issue is though..Does he deserve a 2nd team despite the slow start and missed games. He will be third team for sure..

IMO..

Harden, Curry, Lebron, AD, Aldridge.

Westbrook, Paul, Kawhi, TD, M. Gasol

Irving, Thompson, Gasol, Millsap, Cousins.


I cheated on my first team, but seriously..That's the five guys have played top 5 level basketball since the beginning of the year..

[scanry]

Switch Gasol with Aldridge tbh

[spurraider21]

where's parker

[apalisoc_9]

Switch Gasol with Aldridge tbh

and have TD as a center?

[Malik Hairston]

Voulgaris said he has Tim as 1st team C and Simmons says he may vote for him on the 1st team if they have him officially listed as a 5..

[apalisoc_9]

Voulgaris said he has Tim as 1st team C and Simmons says he may vote for him on the 1st team if they have him officially listed as a 5..

I would do this too I guess..

Dat gambler doesn't get a vote though...:lol

[Malik Hairston]

:lol ya I know, but he's pretty respected among the NBA community IIRC..he'll probably get hired by a team once gambling is legalized with the NBA IMO..

[100%duncan]

First: Curry, Harden, Lebron, Davis, Cousins
Second: westbrook, thompson?, kawhi, Pau gasol, marc gasol/TD
Third: paul, ???, ???, blake/Aldridge, marc/td

[Raven]

duncan is clearly a center.

[cd021]

First: Curry, Harden, Lebron, Davis, Cousins
Second: westbrook, thompson?, kawhi, Pau gasol, marc gasol/TD
Third: paul, ???, ???, blake/Aldridge, marc/td

No way Paul is a 3rd teamer he had been fantastic. He deserves 2nd team. Thompson should get bumped.

[cd021]

1st-Curry-Harden-James-Davis-Duncan (Center)
2nd-Paul-Westbrook-Leonard-Aldridge-M. Gasol
3rd-Irving-Thompson-Butler-P. Gasol-Cousins

Butler is listed as a 2 guard but put him as a 3. Pau plays center but is listed as a PF. Duncan plays center quite a bit (almost exclusively). Marc has faded a bit.

Westbrook has had better season than Thompson, not a SG but felt right to put him with Paul on the second team.

[cd021]

duncan is clearly a center.

Don't understand the debate. When Splitter starts,TD plays center basically all of that time (12-15 minutes) and when the game is close the Spurs go with him and Diaw. Diaw doesn't guard C's. Even when Baynes and Bonner start its basically the same deal.

[apalisoc_9]

1st-Curry-Harden-James-Davis-Duncan (Center)
2nd-Paul-Westbrook-Leonard-Aldridge-M. Gasol
3rd-Irving-Thompson-Butler-P. Gasol-Cousins

Butler is listed as a 2 guard but put him as a 3. Pau plays center but is listed as a PF. Duncan plays center quite a bit (almost exclusively). Marc has faded a bit.

Westbrook has had better season than Thompson, not a SG but felt right to put him with Paul on the second team.

I love this list...

I had a hard time deciding between Butler, Thompson, Wall for my third team...Irving I was Positive.

[Raven]

Don't understand the debate. When Splitter starts,TD plays center basically all of that time (12-15 minutes) and when the game is close the Spurs go with him and Diaw. Diaw doesn't guard C's. Even when Baynes and Bonner start its basically the same deal.
td plays pf when with baynes, but that's about it really..

[100%duncan]

1st-Curry-Harden-James-Davis-Duncan (Center)
2nd-Paul-Westbrook-Leonard-Aldridge-M. Gasol
3rd-Irving-Thompson-Butler-P. Gasol-Cousins

Butler is listed as a 2 guard but put him as a 3. Pau plays center but is listed as a PF. Duncan plays center quite a bit (almost exclusively). Marc has faded a bit.

Westbrook has had better season than Thompson, not a SG but felt right to put him with Paul on the second team.
You guys keep on cheating

[spurraider21]

duncan starts next to splitter/baynes... neither of whom are PF's really. you could argue Duncan is the PF on offense and C on defense, while Splitter is the reverse, but its weak. Duncan is a PF tbh

[DMC]

Tim is a PF most of the time. Otherwise the Spurs are playing two centers when Splitter/Baynes are on the floor with him. He can play both roles, that doesn't diminish him any more than Magic playing PG and center diminished him. We know what diminished Magic, but still.

[Arcadian]

Voulgaris said he has Tim as 1st team C and Simmons says he may vote for him on the 1st team if they have him officially listed as a 5..

:lol 39-yo man as the first-team all-nba center
:lol so epic

[spurraider21]

Duncan plays C next to Diaw, but typically starts at PF next to Baynes/Splitter

[cd021]

duncan starts next to splitter/baynes... neither of whom are PF's really. you could argue Duncan is the PF on offense and C on defense, while Splitter is the reverse, but its weak. Duncan is a PF tbh


Duncan plays C next to Diaw, but typically starts at PF next to Baynes/Splitter

Teams use 2 PG lineups all of the time. Spurs use 2 centers at the same time. When Green and Ginobili play together that's two SGs, same with Belinelli and Manu.

Duncan almost exclusively guards Cs (Jordan, M. Gasol, Mosgov, R. Lopez.
.
Splitter guards Randolph, Aldridge, Dirk, Ibaka, Griffin

Duncan has a mid range game that makes him look more like a PF but they are both Cs.

The only PFs are Diaw and Bonner


The Spurs closing unit is Parker-Manu//Green-Leonard-Diaw and Duncan even then he is still guarding the center

[DMC]

So if KL is guarding the PG, KL is now a PG?

[spurraider21]

Teams use 2 PG lineups all of the time. Spurs use 2 centers at the same time. When Green and Ginobili play together that's two SGs, same with Belinelli and Manu.

Duncan almost exclusively guards Cs (Jordan, M. Gasol, Mosgov, R. Lopez.
.
Splitter guards Randolph, Aldridge, Dirk, Ibaka, Griffin

Duncan has a mid range game that makes him look more like a PF but they are both Cs.

The only PFs are Diaw and Bonner


The Spurs closing unit is Parker-Manu//Green-Leonard-Diaw and Duncan even then he is still guarding the center
you're basing everything on defensive matchups, and teams will often cross-match... we put Green on Curry, Kawhi on Klay, etc. Bruce would defend Dirk. you're ignoring everything about the offensive side of the ball. not sure how you could ever really call somebody a point guard, for instance, if you ignore his offensive responsibilities

[apalisoc_9]

It really should just be two backcourt and three frontcourt.

Either TD or Aldridge for first team, IMO.

[spurraider21]

It really should just be two backcourt and three frontcourt.

Either TD or Aldridge for first team, IMO.
should be, but it isn't. and as long as it isn't, you have to play by the rules imo

[Leetonidas]

1st: Curry, Harden, James, Davis, Cousins
2nd: Paul, Westbrook, Griffin, Aldridge, Gasol
3rd: Wall, Butler, Leonard, Millsap, Duncan

imo

[cd021]

you're basing everything on defensive matchups, and teams will often cross-match... we put Green on Curry, Kawhi on Klay, etc. Bruce would defend Dirk. you're ignoring everything about the offensive side of the ball. not sure how you could ever really call somebody a point guard, for instance, if you ignore his offensive responsibilities

"Duncan has a mid range game that makes him look more like a PF but they are both Cs."

I did mention offense.

Duncans game offensively is closer to center. The bulk of his scoring comes from the post or rolls to the rim off screens.

Sure there are cross matches especially on the perimeter (i.e Green on Paul and Parker on Reddick,) but that really doesn't apply to Duncan he guards Cs Splitter guards PFs.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html

According to Basetball Reference, Duncan has played 2/3 of his minutes at C this season. The past 9 seasons he has played overal he has played no fewer than 70% of his minutes at Center. The past 6 years (not including this season) he has played 100% of his minutes at Center.

In the PS

Duncan has played the majority of his minutes at center 9 straight seasons the past 7 straight. seasons he has played 100% of his PS minutes there.

Don't get the PG reference I am talking about Duncan specifically. I don't base all players positions based on defensive assignments.

[mudyez]

1st: Curry(MVP), Harden, James, Davis, Duncan
2nd: Paul, Westbrook, Leonard, Aldridge, M.Gasol
3rd: Wall, Thompson, Millsap, Horford, Cousins

Defense 1st: Allen, Da.Green, Dra.Green, Leonard(DPOY), Duncan
Defense 2nd: Wall, Butler, Kidd-Gilchrist, Davis, Gobert

Rookie 1st: Payton, Smart, Wiggins(ROY), Mirotic, Noel
Rookie 2nd: Clarkson, LaVine, Hood, Bogdanovic, Nurkic

...sure, some homerism might be in play here but even Bill Simmons said he would put TD on the first team if he is listed as a center.

(also not sure about the importance of positions with the rookie teams...played it liberal here)

[Raven]

Tim is a PF most of the time. Otherwise the Spurs are playing two centers when Splitter/Baynes are on the floor with him. He can play both roles, that doesn't diminish him any more than Magic playing PG and center diminished him. We know what diminished Magic, but still.

http://www.82games.com/1415/14SAS14.HTM#bypos

in other words, he's a pf 24% of the time, center the rest.

[Raven]

So if KL is guarding the PG, KL is now a PG?

close to that tbh. I would rephrase that more in the lines of "you are, the position that you are best at defending".

[Raven]

It really should just be two backcourt and three frontcourt.

Either TD or Aldridge for first team, IMO.

i think it should be position by position. How would it be if the nfl would put 8qbs in the all pro? Loses it's point tbh

[mudyez]

The funny thing is how NBA can't get away from that PG-SG-SF-PF-C system while a PG-Wing-Wing-Wing/C-C system (depending if you play with 2 inside guys or a stretch big/wing) makes more sense for about a decade now.

There isn't really a need to differ between wings or real big guys.

In like 10 more years even that will seem silly with teams going with 4 or 5 somewhat similar players all the time.

[Raven]

The funny thing is how NBA can't get away from that PG-SG-SF-PF-C system while a PG-Wing-Wing-Wing/C-C system (depending if you play with 2 inside guys or a stretch big/wing) makes more sense for about a decade now.

There isn't really a need to differ between wings or real big guys.

In like 10 more years even that will seem silly with teams going with 4 or 5 somewhat similar players all the time.

the all nba teams exist so that people can say "in season x, player y was the best sf in the league". categories such as frontcourt and backcourt are just vanilla and serve the only purpose of pleasing everybody, losing it's true purpose.

[mudyez]

i think it should be position by position. How would it be if the nfl would put 8qbs in the all pro? Loses it's point tbh

Comparing the position system in Football to Basketball doesn't work. It's like comparing goalies and regular soccer players.

That said, I have to agree, that it's nice to have working 1st, 2nd and so on teams (not 1Center+2PF's which are actually centerlike guys too).

[mudyez]

the all nba teams exist so that people can say "in season x, player y was the best sf in the league". categories such as frontcourt and backcourt are just vanilla and serve the only purpose of pleasing everybody, losing it's true purpose.

Never got the frontcourt and backcourt thing. SF is frontcourt right? Shouldn't it be backcourt, or is this something like "if we are playing a 2-3-zone-defense who goes to the backline (yeah, the FC/BC thing exists way longer than tone defense is allowed in the NBA)?

[mudyez]

Don't get me wrong: I actually don't have a problem with the current positions...I'm just happy of things like stretch-4 or point forward getting more common...and regarding awards that should factor in.

[DMC]

Never got the frontcourt and backcourt thing. SF is frontcourt right? Shouldn't it be backcourt, or is this something like "if we are playing a 2-3-zone-defense who goes to the backline (yeah, the FC/BC thing exists way longer than tone defense is allowed in the NBA)?


Frontcourt is which ever direction your offensive half of the court resides.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Basketball_Positions.png

Ignore the fact that this looks like a big brown penis. If it were though, Tony would be up near the asshole area.

[mudyez]

Frontcourt is which ever direction your offensive half of the court resides.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Basketball_Positions.png

Ignore the fact that this looks like a big brown penis. If it were though, Tony would be up near the asshole area.

Lol...as like every team puts its players on these spots...makes a horns offense my C and PF backcourtguys? Does a Pick and Pop Big become a backcourtguy?

I think its just wrong to call it like that...there are only inside/outsideguys (most times 2/3 or 1/4).

[100%duncan]

Frontcourt is which ever direction your offensive half of the court resides.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Basketball_Positions.png

Ignore the fact that this looks like a big brown penis. If it were though, Tony would be up near the asshole area.
:lmao

[Seventyniner]

Instead of 2 guards, 2 forwards, 1 center or 2 backcourt 3 frontcourt, we need a breakdown of 1 PG, 2 wings, 2 bigs.

[jdiggy0424]

The format should be two guards and 3 forwards.

[mudyez]

I'd like
1PG
1WING
1BIG
with the rest beeing anything but two more BIGS, two more PGs or two more WINGS (the last one would work but puts wings in an unfair advantage)

[Splits]

Duncan was 1st team in 12-13 as a Center.

[Phillip]

:lmao homer spurfans putting leonard on 2nd team

[100%duncan]

:lmao homer spurfans putting leonard on 2nd team

Thank god we'll get a free 1st round :tu

[TD 21]

It really should just be two backcourt and three frontcourt.

Either TD or Aldridge for first team, IMO.

Aldridge not only almost exclusively plays PF, but despite having the size and strength of a C, his game is not really suited to it, so you can't even argue that he's a more natural C, like Duncan and P. Gasol.

That's the same reason sliding Harden to F and (to a lesser extent) Davis to C, in order to get Westbrook onto the 1st team, doesn't fly.

Whether you like it or not, based on the rule, you're looking at Duncan, a Gasol or Cousins, for first team C.

As far as Duncan, I've said it many times but it bears repeating: When he's paired with Splitter, Baynes or Ayres, he plays PF on offense (the Spurs system distinguishes between 4/5, unlike 2/3) and C on defense. When he's paired with Diaw or Bonner, he plays C both ways. So it is reasonable enough to list him as either, even though he's obviously more of a natural C.