Number 2 seed

[NYspursFan]

It's official NBA TV said no matter who wins this game tonight Spurs are the number two seed!

[Mugen]

It's official NBA TV said no matter who wins this game tonight Spurs are the number two seed!

That only applies to after tonight. doesn't take into account anything that can happen tomorrow or Wednesday.

[ElNono]

That only applies to after tonight. doesn't take into account anything that can happen tomorrow or Wednesday.

admit it, you love being the party pooper... :lol

[100%duncan]

:lol

[Mugen]

admit it, you love being the party pooper... :lol

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Ray-Allen-Hits-Three-to-Force-OT-Game-6-NBA-Finals.gif

[RD2191]

That only applies to after tonight. doesn't take into account anything that can happen tomorrow or Wednesday.

[K...]

Nah, i saw it too, it's real folks.

[BatManu20]

I was watching too and they said that it all comes down to Wednesday night for us to lock up the #2 or Pelicans to make the playoffs.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

NBA TV is constantly getting their info messed up

[Kidd K]

With Memphis shitting the bed tonight, we still need the Clippers to lose once more and we still can't lose any games.

Watching DEN @ LAC on league pass now. It's a very close game in the 3rd atm.

[ElNono]

With Memphis shitting the bed tonight, we still need the Clippers to lose once more and we still can't lose any games.

Watching DEN @ LAC on league pass now. It's a very close game in the 3rd atm.

why? if we win out, we're the #2 seed, no matter what happens with the Clippers or Rockets

[RD2191]

why? if we win out, we're the #2 seed, no matter what happens with the Clippers or Rockets

[Agloco]

With Memphis shitting the bed tonight, we still need the Clippers to lose once more and we still can't lose any games.

Watching DEN @ LAC on league pass now. It's a very close game in the 3rd atm.

SAS would be 2 and LAC 3

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

SAS would be 2 and LAC 3

Anyone know what needs to happen for Clippers to finish 5th?

[AusSpur]

Go Denver!

[Kidd K]

why? if we win out, we're the #2 seed, no matter what happens with the Clippers or Rockets

Last time Clippers were tied with us, NBA.com had them ranked ahead of us. Was that an error? Or wait I get it now after looking at the tiebreaker priorities; it was because we beat Houston twice to take the division (barely) and we win the tie break for having the division whereas before they had it for a better conference record.

It's still nice to have them lose though I guess, just in case we drop one

[Budkin]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Ray-Allen-Hits-Three-to-Force-OT-Game-6-NBA-Finals.gif

28.2 seconds left... Pop that bubbly!

[Sean Cagney]

28.2 seconds left... Pop that bubbly!

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh........... Atleast that lead to the tear they went on in 014 but damn that shot still sucks. I am glad they avenged that.

[J.T.]

Last time Clippers were tied with us, NBA.com had them ranked ahead of us. Was that an error? Or wait I get it now after looking at the tiebreaker priorities; it was because we beat Houston twice to take the division (barely) and we win the tie break for having the division whereas before they had it for a better conference record.

It's still nice to have them lose though I guess, just in case we drop one
Because we were also tied with Memphis, which was seeded 2nd because it was leading its division. Spurs lead the SW now, therefore they are 2nd.

[therealtruth]

I think what they meant is the Spurs hang on to #2. The Spurs control their destiny and still need to take care of business against the Pelicans in the next game to guarantee #2.

[Agloco]

Anyone know what needs to happen for Clippers to finish 5th?

They need to lose one. Their schedule is by far and away the softest in the West over the last 15 games

[jag]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Ray-Allen-Hits-Three-to-Force-OT-Game-6-NBA-Finals.gif

The feels. They all come right back.

[Kidd K]

Looks like the Pelcans need to beat us to make the playoffs, and we need to win for the #2 seed. Gonna be a good game with two teams playing really hard for playoff spots.

[james evans]

dammit man, i just didn't want okc making the playoffs. I hate those fuckers.

[baseline bum]

2 seed doesn't mean shit tbh other than getting Dallas in the first round. The Clippers would still have homecourt vs the Spurs in any matchup assuming both teams win out, due to having the second tiebreaker (better conference record).

[apalisoc_9]

2 seed doesn't mean shit tbh other than getting Dallas in the first round. The Clippers would still have homecourt vs the Spurs in any matchup assuming both teams win out, due to having the second tiebreaker (better conference record).

no...

[SpursFan86]

2 seed doesn't mean shit tbh other than getting Dallas in the first round. The Clippers would still have homecourt vs the Spurs in any matchup assuming both teams win out, due to having the second tiebreaker (better conference record).

No...us getting 2nd seed means we win the division, and that would give us the tiebreaker over the Clippers.

Getting 2nd seed would guarantee us HCA against every team besides Golden State and Atlanta.

[baseline bum]

no...

Spurs are 2-2 against the Clippers, so the second tiebreaker is conference record, where the Spurs would be 33-19 and the Clippers 37-15 and so homecourt goes to LA. Division winners only matter for seeding, not homecourt.

[apalisoc_9]

Spurs are 2-2 against the Clippers, so the second tiebreaker is conference record, where the Spurs would be 33-19 and the Clippers 37-15 and so homecourt goes to LA. Division winners only matter for seeding, not homecourt.

No.

Not in this case.

[SpursFan86]

Spurs are 2-2 against the Clippers, so the second tiebreaker is conference record, where the Spurs would be 33-19 and the Clippers 37-15 and so homecourt goes to LA. Division winners only matter for seeding, not homecourt.

Source? I've never seen this mentioned anywhere before. Everything I've read points to division winner being the first tiebreaker regardless of scenario. If two teams are tied, and one of those teams has won their division, the team that won the division will get the tiebreaker.

[baseline bum]

No...us getting 2nd seed means we win the division, and that would give us the tiebreaker over the Clippers.

Getting 2nd seed would guarantee us HCA against every team besides Golden State and Atlanta.

The division only matters for seeding.



http://www.nba.com/news/features/playoff.tiebreakers/

d. Home Court Advantage:
For purposes of home court advantage, ties will be broken pursuant to the procedures used for breaking two-team ties for playoff position.




http://www.nba.com/news/features/playoff.tiebreakers/

a. Two Teams Tied
(1) Better winning percentage in games against each other
(2) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
(3) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
(4) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(5) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(6) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents ("point differential").

[baseline bum]

Source? I've never seen this mentioned anywhere before. Everything I've read points to division winner being the first tiebreaker regardless of scenario. If two teams are tied, and one of those teams has won their division, the team that won the division will get the tiebreaker.

If division winner was a tiebreaker for anything but seeding, the Blazers would have homecourt in the first round.

[will_spurs]

Spurs are 2-2 against the Clippers, so the second tiebreaker is conference record, where the Spurs would be 33-19 and the Clippers 37-15 and so homecourt goes to LA. Division winners only matter for seeding, not homecourt.

d. Home Court Advantage


For purposes of home court advantage, ties will be broken pursuant to the procedures used for breaking two-team ties for playoff position.

a. Two Teams Tied


(1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division.

The Spurs would have HCA because they'd be division champ and the Clippers wouldn't.

[baseline bum]

No.

Not in this case.

That doesn't make any sense that division winner isn't a tiebreaker for homecourt in the first round but would be in the second.

[Cloud786]

The division only matters for seeding.

No Spurs would have homecourt because they win the division and the records are identical. Portland does not have homecourt because they have a WORSE record than the 5th seed. If Portland and the 5th seed had the same record, Portland would get homecourt (even if the 5th seed team beat them 4-0 in the regular season).

[RD2191]

Tf is baseline bum on.:lol

[SpursFan86]

If division winner was a tiebreaker for anything but seeding, the Blazers would have homecourt in the first round.

?

They're not tied with anyone. They just get a top 4 seed because division winners are guaranteed such. If they were tied with the 5th place team, though, they would win the tiebreaker (and get HCA) since they won the division.

That link mentions nothing about division winners automatically winning tiebreakers...so I'm not sure what to say. It says the same procedures are used as the ones that determine playoff seeding, though, so that makes me inclined to say it works the same way. If a division winner is tied with a non-division winner, the division winner will always win the tiebreaker.

[apalisoc_9]

No Spurs would have homecourt because they win the division and the records are identical. Portland does not have homecourt because they have a WORSE record than the 5th seed. If Portland and the 5th seed had the same record, Portland would get homecourt (even if the 5th seed team beat them 4-0 in the regular season).

this

[Winnipeg_Spur]

If division winner was a tiebreaker for anything but seeding, the Blazers would have homecourt in the first round.

Tiebreakers are only relevant when the two teams are tied. The Blazers will have a worse record than their first round opponent, so no need to resort to tiebreakers to decide HCA.

[baseline bum]

d. Home Court Advantage


For purposes of home court advantage, ties will be broken pursuant to the procedures used for breaking two-team ties for playoff position.

a. Two Teams Tied


(1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division.

The Spurs would have HCA because they'd be division champ and the Clippers wouldn't.

What's your source? Maybe it changed since the last time NBA.com updated their site?

[Robz4000]

2 seed doesn't mean shit tbh other than getting Dallas in the first round. The Clippers would still have homecourt vs the Spurs in any matchup assuming both teams win out, due to having the second tiebreaker (better conference record).

Division winner gets HCA if both teams are tied. It acts as the first tiebreaker in this scenario.

[will_spurs]

That doesn't make any sense that division winner isn't a tiebreaker for homecourt in the first round but would be in the second.

According to Wikipedia, you'd be right if it was the NBA finals, and not the 2nd round:


Home court advantage in any round does not necessarily belong to the higher-seeded team, but instead to the team with the better regular season record. If two teams with the same record meet in a round, standard tiebreaker rules are used. The rule for determining home court advantage in the NBA Finals is winning percentage, then head to head record, followed by record vs. opposite conference.

However I have a feeling you're right, and that sucks...

[Mel_13]

What's your source? Maybe it changed since the last time NBA.com updated their site?

He's right bb, his source is nba.com, and it's been that way for years.

[apalisoc_9]

What's your source? Maybe it changed since the last time NBA.com updated their site?

ha?

it's been this way for a quite some time now...

The first basis of a tiebreaker is division winner then head to head..

It's that simple.

[will_spurs]

What's your source? Maybe it changed since the last time NBA.com updated their site?

http://stats.nba.com/playoffpicture

Current playoffs procedure.

But it doesn't explain why Portland wouldn't have HCA over the 5th seed... so I feel it's incomplete and you may be right that the "division winner" part is dropped from evaluating a tiebreaker in the case of HCA :(

[Cloud786]

http://www.nba.com/standings/team_record_comparison/conferenceNew_Std_Div.html?ls=iref:nba:gnav

d. Home Court Advantage:For purposes of home court advantage, ties will be broken pursuant to the procedures used for breaking two-team ties for playoff position.

a. Two Teams Tied
(1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division.
(2) Better winning percentage in games against each other.
(3) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
(4) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.

By rule, division winner wins the tie for both seeding and for homecourt.

[Cloud786]

http://stats.nba.com/playoffpicture

Current playoffs procedure.

But it doesn't explain why Portland wouldn't have HCA over the 5th seed... so I feel it's incomplete and you may be right that the "division winner" part is dropped from evaluating a tiebreaker in the case of HCA :(

Portland doesn't have homecourt because their record is worse. Rule only applies when records are tied.

[SpursFan86]

http://stats.nba.com/playoffpicture

Current playoffs procedure.

But it doesn't explain why Portland wouldn't have HCA over the 5th seed... so I feel it's incomplete and you may be right that the "division winner" part is dropped from evaluating a tiebreaker in the case of HCA :(

Again, Portland isn't tied with anyone. They have an outright worse record than whoever will end up getting the 5th seed. Can't have a tiebreaker if there's no tie in the first place.

[will_spurs]

Portland doesn't have homecourt because their record is worse. Rule only applies when records are tied.

It's true, but I'm not sure Portland would have HCA in case of a tie simply by virtue of being a division winner. Maybe.

[baseline bum]

http://stats.nba.com/playoffpicture

Current playoffs procedure.

But it doesn't explain why Portland wouldn't have HCA over the 5th seed... so I feel it's incomplete and you may be right that the "division winner" part is dropped from evaluating a tiebreaker in the case of HCA :(

Nah, you're right, the Spurs would have homecourt vs the Clippers if Spurs are #2 and LA #3. NBA.com still has their old tiebreaker rules posted.

[baseline bum]

He's right bb, his source is nba.com, and it's been that way for years.

LOL the faggots at NBA.com still have the old rules posted

http://www.nba.com/news/features/playoff.tiebreakers/

[baseline bum]

Glad to see I was wrong, as homecourt could help a lot against the Clippers.

[Cloud786]

It's true, but I'm not sure Portland would have HCA in case of a tie simply by virtue of being a division winner. Maybe.

Based on the rules, Portland would have HCA over the 5th seed if their records were identical, regardless of the season series or division records or anything like that. It would go straight to the division winner when records are tied.

[will_spurs]

LOL the faggots at NBA.com still have the old rules posted

http://www.nba.com/news/features/playoff.tiebreakers/

I have to say I first stumbled upon that age a couple of weeks ago when I was researching the Spurs seeding scenarios. However the "Posted Aug 25 2010" part made me think that this might not be valid any longer :)

BTW I was wondering where you got your copy/paste from a few posts ago when you listed the rules!

[Mel_13]

LOL the faggots at NBA.com still have the old rules posted

http://www.nba.com/news/features/playoff.tiebreakers/

I don't want to beat a dead horse because we go through this every season, but what changes are not reflected in the rules in your link.

[apalisoc_9]

I don't want to beat a dead horse because we go through this every season, but what changes are not reflected in the rules in your link.

looks like it xhanged

His link doesn't have division winner as basis for two teams tied.

[SpursFan86]

Just when we thought we had finally figured out all the scenarios and shit for the playoffs.. baseline bum comes in here and tries throwing everyone off :lol

[Mel_13]

looks like it xhanged

His link doesn't have division winner as basis for two teams tied.

It does. It's number 1 under "Tiebreaker basis"

[Mikeanaro]

Glad to see I was wrong, as homecourt could help a lot against the Clippers.
An apology would be better :lmao

[baseline bum]

It does. It's number 1 under "Tiebreaker basis"

It's not listed in the a. Two Teams Tied section referenced for determining homecourt in section d of the link I posted. It is referenced in the same section of the new link.

[will_spurs]

It's not listed in the a. Two Teams Tied section referenced for determining homecourt in section d of the link I posted. It is referenced in the same section of the new link.

Your link is "news", i.e. something that is subject to change (and indeed your link is just the announcement of how things would be for the 2010 playoffs). My link is static and current.

[Mel_13]

It's not listed in the a. Two Teams Tied section referenced for determining homecourt in section d of the link I posted. It is referenced in the same section of the new link.


If you read the two paragraphs directly above "Two Teams Tied", you'll see why it doesn't. The division winner tiebreaker only applies in the first section at the top for seeding the first through fourth seeds. The second section is used to determine division winners and then to break ties in seeds 5-8.

The change was made after the teams with the two best records, Spurs and Mavs, met in the WCSF in 2006. Now the teams with best two records are always seeded 1 and 2.

[Big Empty]

If we lose against the prlicans then what

[tholdren]

Why don't any of you fuckers know what tie means?

[Arcadian]

:lol all this confusion...this is probably the closest western conference seeding of all time

[Beaverfuzz]

Why don't any of you fuckers know what tie means?

Fuck you faggot. Tie goes to the runner, everyone knows that.

[Malik Hairston]

I want that 5 seed, tbh..unfortunately, Pacers-Grizzlies is at 9:30 PM, though, so it would be impossible for the Spurs to strategically tank..

[Beaverfuzz]

I want that 5 seed, tbh..unfortunately, Pacers-Grizzlies is at 9:30 PM, though, so it would be impossible for the Spurs to strategically tank..

My nigga, I'd rather have the 5th seed too but will take the 2nd seed.

[Malik Hairston]

Of course I'm cool with the 2nd seed:lol..

Best alternative is if the Suns miraculously win tonight, I'd love to see the Clippers in the 5 spot..hopefully the shitty Morris Twins or Blesdoe get hot tonight..

[therealtruth]

Looks like the Pelcans need to beat us to make the playoffs, and we need to win for the #2 seed. Gonna be a good game with two teams playing really hard for playoff spots.

Should be good practice for the playoffs. Need to be able to win on the road in the playoffs.