Danny green taking shots at tony ?

[NYspursFan]

“I guess I could have been more aggressive, but it was one of those games Pop stressed to stay in the system and not try to play hero ball,” Green said.

[hater]

He was probably referring to kawh.

Still he is probably more pissed Pop plays Evita over him

[Brazil]

how in hell this quote could be interpreted as a shot at Parker ?

Spurs fans... :lmao

[FkLA]

The Spurs attempted 10 3PT shots yesterday, 5 by Manu and 4 by Paddy when a certain starting PG was on the bench. Most of his assists are off a two-man game with Timmy which stagnates the offense.The faggot just shits on the system when he refuses to play like a role player tbh.

[100%duncan]

Dg shouldnjust say fuck pop and his love for cancernelli

[Spurs9]

The funny thing is I saw them advertising a commercial for the playoffs which kept mentioning hero ball :lol

[Raven]

so now the system is to jack up very long twos the whole game... yaaay

[bklynspursfan]

Picking up 2 early fouls didn't help. He's not usually aggressive anyway, he is usually the guy who gets open shots or an occasional backdoor cut.

[jag]

The Spurs attempted 10 3PT shots yesterday, 5 by Manu and 4 by Paddy when a certain starting PG was on the bench. Most of his assists are off a two-man game with Timmy which stagnates the offense.The faggot just shits on the system when he refuses to play like a role player tbh.

Tony shot 11-17 and had 6 assists.

Pop has always asked Tony to be aggressive. When Tony is playing outside of what Pop has asked, he gets scolded. There are certainly times when Tony kills the flow of the offense by being too aggressive but it's naive to think Tony is entirely free to dictate his role in the offense. I understand this is obvious to most Spurs fans, save for those being deliberately obtuse regarding Tony's role. I don't think Green's comments were a shot at anyone. I think he was just regurgitating what he had heard from Pop.

Kawhi's game has been a little more "hero ball" than Tony's, mostly because his game requires a clear-out. That being said, I have no problem with Kawhi's ISO's. It sometimes kills the ball movement, but it's part of the learning process. He will learn when and when not to take over - same as Manu, Tony and Tim. But he needs reps right now to improve. The learning process is give and take (from a wins/system perspective), and it comes with the territory with young players.

[ducks]

manu jacking up that stupid three was trying to be hero ball

[hater]

manu jacking up that stupid three was trying to be hero ball

which of his 5 bricked 3s are you talking about?

[cd98]

Tony shot 11-17 and had 6 assists.

Pop has always asked Tony to be aggressive. When Tony is playing outside of what Pop has asked, he gets scolded. There are certainly times when Tony kills the flow of the offense by being too aggressive but it's naive to think Tony is entirely free to dictate his role in the offense. I understand this is obvious to most Spurs fans, save for those being deliberately obtuse regarding Tony's role. I don't think Green's comments were a shot at anyone. I think he was just regurgitating what he had heard from Pop.

Kawhi's game has been a little more "hero ball" than Tony's, mostly because his game requires a clear-out. That being said, I have no problem with Kawhi's ISO's. It sometimes kills the ball movement, but it's part of the learning process. He will learn when and when not to take over - same as Manu, Tony and Tim. But he needs reps right now to improve. The learning process is give and take (from a wins/system perspective), and it comes with the territory with young players.

There's no way to understand the irrational hate for the best point guard to ever wear a Spurs jersey. I do think the offense is still finding its way as it falls on Kawhi to be more of a dominant scorer. Part of the issue, I think, is that he is not used to being the focal point of the offense, and so its hard for him to get a feel of when to take over versus when to let the offense have more flow.

[cd98]

manu jacking up that stupid three was trying to be hero ball

Back in the day, he'd hit those. It's been hard to see his game drop off, but that's his game and he can't change the way he plays, he just plays less minutes.

[ducks]

spurs were down 7 I think mid 4 quarter he then went down and pulled up and shot a three

[hater]

spurs were down 7 I think mid 4 quarter he then went down and pulled up and shot a three

oh, Manu does that all the time :lol

it's either a brick 3 with 20 seconds left on the ShotClock or a pass to the lady in the 2nd row tbh

[8FOR!3]

I don't think our shot selection is why we lost. Even though it was pretty bad, we didn't have a hard time scoring. Turning the ball over and defense (or lack thereof) lost us the game.

[TheGreatYacht]

Why does everyone around here think the offense was the problem? They scored 103 points on 57FG%. Green was awful defensively yesterday, as was the team.

Just because Green couldn't get open and Leonard didn't take the most shots, it's hero ball all of a sudden. 33 assists... But ok.

[manufan10]

The Spurs just didn't seem emotionally invested in this game. They had no intensity during the game. I think they were already thinking ahead to the playoffs.

BTW, :lol Parker haters hate even when Parker is effecient. :cry It's hero ball! :cry

[itzsoweezee]

Shitty, shitty defense lost this game. If Norris Cole and Tyreke Evans are balling on your players, you might want to take those players out of the lineup.

[itzsoweezee]

The Spurs just didn't seem emotionally invested in this game. They had no intensity during the game. I think they were already thinking ahead to the playoffs.

BTW, :lol Parker haters hate even when Parker is effecient. :cry It's hero ball! :cry

I have no problem with Parker taking those shots. New Orleans was okay with giving those up. My problem is the fact that he played pathetic defense that made scrubs look like superstars.

[manufan10]

I have no problem with Parker taking those shots. New Orleans was okay with giving those up. My problem is the fact that he played pathetic defense that made scrubs look like superstars.

I don't think anyone could argue otherwise, but when people are complaining about hero ball it's a different story.

No one was great defensively last night. Kawhi was getting burned by Tyreke freaking Evans. TP and CoJo let Norris Cole score 13 points in the 2nd quarter.

[KL2]

Leonard barely touched the ball, just Diaw/Duncan over and over again, watching Parker dribble, dribble. The Spurs' offense runs much better through Leonard, it's no contest. They share the ball much better igniting the team on both sides of the court, Leonard breaks down the defense and shares the ball with his team.

I'm not sure if Parker/Leonard can coexist with each other, Parker's style of play is just too selfish, it worked when we didn't have anybody else on the roster, but now we do.

Spurs with Parker at the helm hero balling=1st round exit
Spurs with Leonard at the helm=Championship.

[Brazil]

:lol the most ridiculous thing to do is to blame Spurs Offense or Parker in the O to explain we lost

Spurs shot 57%, they did not score a lot of 3s but still managed to score > 100 pts, Spurs total assist amount to 33 vs. 23 for Pelicans. Ball movement was perfectly fine, Parker took 17 shots (11/17), Kawhi 14 (6/14 must be Parker's fault he shot poorly) and Boris 14 (10/14).

We lost on TOs 15 vs. 9 and on an overall poor defense letting Pels shoot 5/10 on 3s and > .50 overall.

[Brazil]

Leonard barely touched the ball, just Diaw/Duncan over and over again, watching Parker dribble, dribble. The Spurs' offense runs much better through Leonard, it's no contest. They share the ball much better igniting the team on both sides of the court, Leonard breaks down the defense and shares the ball with his team.

I'm not sure if Parker/Leonard can coexist with each other, Parker's style of play is just too selfish, it worked when we didn't have anybody else on the roster, but now we do.

Spurs with Parker at the helm hero balling=1st round exit
Spurs with Leonard at the helm=Championship.

exibit A

[manufan10]

Leonard barely touched the ball, just Diaw/Duncan over and over again, watching Parker dribble, dribble. The Spurs' offense runs much better through Leonard, it's no contest. They share the ball much better igniting the team on both sides of the court, Leonard breaks down the defense and shares the ball with his team.

I'm not sure if Parker/Leonard can coexist with each other, Parker's style of play is just too selfish, it worked when we didn't have anybody else on the roster, but now we do.

Spurs with Parker at the helm hero balling=1st round exit
Spurs with Leonard at the helm=Championship.

Except for the fact that Kawhi had 14 shot attempts. :lol

[LongtimeSpursFan]

I have no problem with Parker taking those shots. New Orleans was okay with giving those up. My problem is the fact that he played pathetic defense that made scrubs look like superstars.


Anthony Davis led all scorers with 31
points. Are you suggesting we take Duncan and Baynes out as well?

[manufan10]

Brazil beat me to it.

[ducks]

leonard got torched by evans last night
tp d was not the only spur that was bad
spurs needed splitter last night

why did leonard not have a steal?

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Leonard barely touched the ball, just Diaw/Duncan over and over again, watching Parker dribble, dribble. The Spurs' offense runs much better through Leonard, it's no contest. They share the ball much better igniting the team on both sides of the court, Leonard breaks down the defense and shares the ball with his team.

I'm not sure if Parker/Leonard can coexist with each other, Parker's style of play is just too selfish, it worked when we didn't have anybody else on the roster, but now we do.

Spurs with Parker at the helm hero balling=1st round exit
Spurs with Leonard at the helm=Championship.


The only world that TP and Kawhi can't exist is in the heads of Spurs fans that post in Spurstalk. Both players are valuable assets to a team that has made reached the WCF and NBA Finals last three years. Stop making shit up.

[RD2191]

Parker is a scrub PG. The dude only ever really sets up Timmy.

[KL2]

Except for the fact that Kawhi had 14 shot attempts. :lol

Over the span of 38 minutes. A couple of those shot attempts were desperation shots after Parker was dribbling, dribbling, dribbling late into the clock stalling our offense.

Leonard didn't touch the ball until around 6 mins into the 1st quarter, 6 mins into the 4th quarter, he simply isn't touching the ball.


This is what I like to call false ball movement, Parker is only really playing among 2 guys, Duncan/Diaw, everyone else gets zoned out. The ball looks like it's moving but it's not, they're not playing as a team at all. This is the type of bball that has lead to early playoff exits time and time again.

[KL2]

leonard got torched by evans last night
tp d was not the only spur that was bad
spurs needed splitter last night

why did leonard not have a steal?

Did Evans have to play defense last night? Why not expose whoever is guarding Leonard and tire them out? Leonard was forced to play 38 mins of defense.

And Leonard got torched because his help defenders are terrible, Parker/Duncan/Bellinelli can't guard the pick and roll at all lol, these Parker fans blaming Leonard for Parker's mistakes smh.

[Seventyniner]

Over the span of 38 minutes. A couple of those shot attempts were desperation shots after Parker was dribbling, dribbling, dribbling late into the clock stalling our offense.

Leonard didn't touch the ball until around 6 mins into the 1st quarter, 6 mins into the 4th quarter, he simply isn't touching the ball.


This is what I like to call false ball movement, Parker is only really playing among 2 guys, Duncan/Diaw, everyone else gets zoned out. The ball looks like it's moving but it's not, they're not playing as a team at all. This is the type of bball that has lead to early playoff exits time and time again.

Which early playoff exits are you referring to? In 2006, Spurs/Mavs should have been the WCF and only wasn't because of stupid seeding rules. The 2009-2010 teams had little defensive talent other than Duncan. In 2011 the Spurs got destroyed inside, hardly Parker's fault. In every other season of Parker's career the Spurs have at least made the WCF.

If Pop truly didn't want Parker playing this way, he would change the system or bench Parker. You think Pop isn't in charge? So the fact that the Spurs keep playing a certain way means that Pop wants it that way. Then it becomes your opinion vs Pop's, and sorry, you're not a HoF coach.

[SpurPadre]

If he is taking shots at TP, then he better expect this again:

http://i.imgur.com/ic0ZMVx.gif

Good thing Danny isn't married, though.

[Brazil]

Over the span of 38 minutes. A couple of those shot attempts were desperation shots after Parker was dribbling, dribbling, dribbling late into the clock stalling our offense.

Leonard didn't touch the ball until around 6 mins into the 1st quarter, 6 mins into the 4th quarter, he simply isn't touching the ball.


This is what I like to call false ball movement, Parker is only really playing among 2 guys, Duncan/Diaw, everyone else gets zoned out. The ball looks like it's moving but it's not, they're not playing as a team at all. This is the type of bball that has lead to early playoff exits time and time again.

:lol

Leonard has been crowned the man, he showed on numerous games he can take the ball everytime he fucking wants and creates his own shot but you blame Parker to not give the ball in the 1st quarter ? dumb Parker shot 4/5 in 1st quarter and you add 3 assists but yeah we lost because of Parker offense in the 1st :rolleyes?

For the 4th quarter your comment is at best showing you don't watch games. He checked in the 4th with 8 mn to go, you gonna blame Parker for that too ? or are you whinning your boy did not have a FGA between 8 and 6 over 2/3 possessions ? then he took 3 shots and missed them all

[RD2191]

Op don't be ridiculous, we know Parker takes the shots on the this team.

[itzsoweezee]

Anthony Davis led all scorers with 31
points. Are you suggesting we take Duncan and Baynes out as well?

No. Are you suggesting Anthony Davis is a scrub?

[dabom]

Of course danny taking shots at enrique. Anyone blind to this is a fucking retard. :lmao

[Seventyniner]

Just another player fan. Sadly this is becoming par for the course.

The entire team has been devastating on offense since that magic Feb. 26 date. 112.4 ORtg for the Spurs, 2nd place Golden State 109.8. Trying to act like the offense would be even better if Parker fed Kawhi the ball more often is naive.

[SpurPadre]

Op don't be ridiculous, we know Parker takes the shots on the this team.

Nah, the only shots TP takes are cum shots at players' wives, tbh.

[FkLA]

Except for the fact that Kawhi had 14 shot attempts. :lol

4-5 of those were in the couple of minutes Enrique wasn't on the floor with him. Another couple just looked like forced shots on drives, trying to involve himself. Raw FGAs is an overly simplistic way to look at it. We're obviously talking about calling plays for him, feeding him in his sweet spots. That's been deteriorating over the past couple of games and so has the Spurs' dominance.


Tony shot 11-17 and had 6 assists.

Pop has always asked Tony to be aggressive. When Tony is playing outside of what Pop has asked, he gets scolded. There are certainly times when Tony kills the flow of the offense by being too aggressive but it's naive to think Tony is entirely free to dictate his role in the offense. I understand this is obvious to most Spurs fans, save for those being deliberately obtuse regarding Tony's role. I don't think Green's comments were a shot at anyone. I think he was just regurgitating what he had heard from Pop.

Kawhi's game has been a little more "hero ball" than Tony's, mostly because his game requires a clear-out. That being said, I have no problem with Kawhi's ISO's. It sometimes kills the ball movement, but it's part of the learning process. He will learn when and when not to take over - same as Manu, Tony and Tim. But he needs reps right now to improve. The learning process is give and take (from a wins/system perspective), and it comes with the territory with young players.

Is it a coincidence that the Spurs looked like a juggernaut for most of the winning streak except the two first halves 'MVParker' decided to show up (vs Hou, @ NO)? I don't care how efficient he was honestly. The best the team has looked all season, by far, has been when he has been a role player. He's still the team's best ballhandler so ideally he'd just focus on running the team but I realize that's too much to ask from a player like him consistently...so I'd settle for just quiet, single digit scoring performances like he's had for most of the winning streak. Anything but 'MVParker', since anytime he feels he has it going on it becomes a game of dribble dribble dribble or a two-man game with Timmy while the shooters/Kawhi suffer.

And I'm not saying Pop is free of blame. He was stupid enough to play Belli over Green in the biggest game of the regular season, so obviously he has his faults too.

[RD2191]

Nah, the only shots TP takes are cum shots at players' wives, tbh.
:lmao

[FkLA]

:lol

Leonard has been crowned the man, he showed on numerous games he can take the ball everytime he fucking wants and creates his own shot but you blame Parker to not give the ball in the 1st quarter ? dumb Parker shot 4/5 in 1st quarter and you add 3 assists but yeah we lost because of Parker offense in the 1st :rolleyes?

For the 4th quarter your comment is at best showing you don't watch games. He checked in the 4th with 8 mn to go, you gonna blame Parker for that too ? or are you whinning your boy did not have a FGA between 8 and 6 over 2/3 possessions ? then he took 3 shots and missed them all

'MVParker' has it going on and the shooters get 1 3PT FGA all game with him on the floor. Kawhi gets 1-2 FGAs per quarter with him on the floor.

but Rique put up good raw stats tho :cry

[Leetonidas]

Op don't be ridiculous, we know Parker takes the shots on the this team.

:lol

[tmtcsc]

No.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

No. Are you suggesting Anthony Davis is a scrub?

No. Are you suggesting that Tony Parker is a scrub?

[Mr Bones]

The Spurs finish the season with an 11-1 run, beating Golden State, Houston (2x), Memphis, and Dallas, and all some of you can do is continue arguing about who your favorite/least favorite players are. Isn't that the definition of a Player Fan??

[dabom]

Shut up faggot.

[Mr Bones]

Shut up faggot.

Good comeback.

[in2deep]

The Spurs finish the season with an 11-1 run, beating Golden State, Houston (2x), Memphis, and Dallas, and all some of you can do is continue arguing about who your favorite/least favorite players are. Isn't that the definition of a Player Fan??


agreed.

[Brazil]

'MVParker' has it going on and the shooters get 1 3PT FGA all game with him on the floor. Kawhi gets 1-2 FGAs per quarter with him on the floor.

but Rique put up good raw stats tho :cry

what's your point tho ? you disagree with my post on what aspect ? did I write something that is not true ? or as usual you are deflecting and talking about something else ?

[TheGreatYacht]

dabom getting cucked lol

[RD2191]

dabom getting cucked lol
You would know about being cucked wouldn't you?

[FkLA]

what's your point tho ? you disagree with my post on what aspect ? did I write something that is not true ? or as usual you are deflecting and talking about something else ?

You dumb?

You're propping up Enrique shooting 4/5 and getting assists as if the shooters/Kawhi don't suffer from him going into hero mode. IDC if Enrique shot 80%, when it drastically cuts into the touches of the team's best individual weapon (Kawhi) and the best collective weapon (shooters) it's a detriment to the team.

[TheGreatYacht]

I would know about being cucked. I just take it out on Whataburger

[Brazil]

You dumb?

You're propping up Enrique shooting 4/5 and getting assists as if the shooters/Kawhi don't suffer from him going into hero mode. IDC if Enrique shot 80%, when it drastically cuts into the touches of the team's best individual weapon (Kawhi) and the best collective weapon (shooters) it's a detriment to the team.

I'm not propping anything, I was responding to a :cry Kawhi did not have touches when these touches go to a 80% guy and your boy can take the ball and create for himself

I don't see in what world except for a retard, yesterday has been a problem of the Offense when Spurs shot 58% scoring > 100 pts and having 33 assists but go ahead with your :cry my boy only shot 14 times

Yesterday issue was defense and TOs not offense

[Agloco]

why did leonard not have a steal?

He looked bored and disengaged out there. well, he always looks bored but he was more so than usual last night.
I'm really at a loss for words.

[Mr Bones]

The Spurs finish the season with an 11-1 run, beating Golden State, Houston (2x), Memphis, and Dallas, and all some of you can do is continue arguing about who your favorite/least favorite players are. Isn't that the definition of a Player Fan??

The Spurs finish the season with an 11-1 run, beating Golden State, Houston (2x), Memphis, and Dallas, and all some of you can do is continue arguing about who your favorite/least favorite players are. Isn't that the definition of a Player Fan??

The Spurs finish the season with an 11-1 run, beating Golden State, Houston (2x), Memphis, and Dallas, and all some of you can do is continue arguing about who your favorite/least favorite players are. Isn't that the definition of a Player Fan??

[Agloco]

You dumb?

You're propping up Enrique shooting 4/5 and getting assists as if the shooters/Kawhi don't suffer from him going into hero mode. IDC if Enrique shot 80%, when it drastically cuts into the touches of the team's best individual weapon (Kawhi) and the best collective weapon (shooters) it's a detriment to the team.

I don't believe your statement holds true when talking about last nights game.

[Malik Hairston]

The Spurs finish the season with an 11-1 run, beating Golden State, Houston (2x), Memphis, and Dallas, and all some of you can do is continue arguing about who your favorite/least favorite players are. Isn't that the definition of a Player Fan??

And all meaningless because they finished with the 6th seed and no HCA..moron:lol

[Mr Bones]

And all meaningless because they finished with the 6th seed and no HCA..moron:lol

Oh good, another Malik response that ends with an emoticon.

[K...]

And all meaningless because they finished with the 6th seed and no HCA..moron:lol

Uh, not a moron, because he spoke some truth. The whole stayed at six stayed at six thing is rhetoric. The goal of basketball is selling tickets and winning championships.


So, my son, work your vocabulary

[jag]

Is it a coincidence that the Spurs looked like a juggernaut for most of the winning streak except the two first halves 'MVParker' decided to show up (vs Hou, @ NO)? I don't care how efficient he was honestly. The best the team has looked all season, by far, has been when he has been a role player. He's still the team's best ballhandler so ideally he'd just focus on running the team but I realize that's too much to ask from a player like him consistently...so I'd settle for just quiet, single digit scoring performances like he's had for most of the winning streak. Anything but 'MVParker', since anytime he feels he has it going on it becomes a game of dribble dribble dribble or a two-man game with Timmy while the shooters/Kawhi suffer.

And I'm not saying Pop is free of blame. He was stupid enough to play Belli over Green in the biggest game of the regular season, so obviously he has his faults too.

I don't think you understand. Parker is playing within the offense based on what Pop has asked of him. Sometimes he does that effectively, other times he doesn't. But to question his role based on his being overzealous or worse yet, selfish, makes you look like a blind hater with no understanding of the Spurs or their system.

[FkLA]

I don't believe your statement holds true when talking about last nights game.

How not?

The Spurs shot 10 3PT shots all game. 5 were by Manu, 4 by Patty both of whom saw most of their action when Rique was on the bench. Diaw took his with the second unit IIRC.

Kawhi took 1 FGA the 1st Qtr, stood in the corner the majority of the game.

[FkLA]

I don't think you understand. Parker is playing within the offense based on what Pop has asked of him. Sometimes he does that effectively, other times he doesn't. But to question his role based on his being overzealous or worse yet, selfish, makes you look like a blind hater with no understanding of the Spurs or their system.

Oh, yeah how could I possibly accuse Rique of being selfish. :lol

[jag]

Oh, yeah how could I possibly accuse Rique of being selfish. :lol

Tell me then. Why is he selfish? For doing what he's asked?

[Mikeanaro]

Parker is a scrub PG. The dude only ever really sets up Timmy.

[FkLA]

Tell me then. Why is he selfish? For doing what he's asked?

You don't think Pop or the system allows players to make certain decisions on their own?

[Agloco]

How not?

The Spurs shot 10 3PT shots all game. 5 were by Manu, 4 by Patty both of whom saw most of their action when Rique was on the bench. Diaw took his with the second unit IIRC.

Kawhi took 1 FGA the 1st Qtr, stood in the corner the majority of the game.

Your prior statement made mention of our biggest weapons. Boris and Leonard had 28 shots between them. Three point shooting was held in check by the team giving up the second fewest threes in the league. That has far more to do with the Pels D than with anything Parker may or may not have done for one quarter of the game.

[Budkin]

Picking up 2 early fouls didn't help. He's not usually aggressive anyway, he is usually the guy who gets open shots or an occasional backdoor cut.

That shit killed us.

[jag]

You don't think Pop or the system allows players to make certain decisions on their own?

Do you think Tony has for his entire career consistently played outside of Pop's system and against Pop's his wishes? Or perhaps Tony is uncoachable. Do you think Pop is intimidated or afraid to confront Tony and ask him to conform to what he believes is a winning system? Do the interactions you've observed between Pop and Tony, over the course of his Tony's career, lead you to believe Pop would choose a non-confrontational route when dealing with Tony, and instead choose to ignore the problem?

And what of Tim and Manu? The three players have maintained a great relationship off the court and great chemistry on the court, which is also true of their relationship with their coach. Do you believe that would be possible over so many years with the unquestionable selfishness that you attribute to Tony?

[ElNono]

Tony got his numbers, which is fine. Norris Cole getting the numbers he had was a problem, tbh...

[jag]

Tony got his numbers, which is fine. Norris Cole getting the numbers he had was a problem, tbh...

You really think that's what Tony has been about this season? His numbers

[ElNono]

You really think that's what Tony has been about this season? His numbers

I dunno what Tony has been about this season. It's been a rough season for him, but I'll take the past 3 weeks Tony over December/January Tony everytime.

What's undeniable is that the Spurs desperately need good interior D when Tony is out there, because he looks like a traffic cone on defense at times.

[ElNono]

But you also gotta give the Pels credit, tbh... Asik sets some mean screens, and he also defended Timmy well... they also P&R us to death, which we can't defend with Timmy...

[ElNono]

It never is one player or one play... we laid a gigantic egg in the 1st half, and we couldn't drag ourselves out of it. Should serve as a lesson.

[jag]

I dunno what Tony has been about this season. It's been a rough season for him, but I'll take the past 3 weeks Tony over December/January Tony everytime.

What's undeniable is that the Spurs desperately need good interior D when Tony is out there, because he looks like a traffic cone on defense at times.
His defense has been awful and it's something Pop needs to account for with a better defender at the 2 than Beli. It was just a strange suggestion on your part that he was looking for his numbers, especially after a string of single digit games and few shot attempts.

[mkurts]

Tony is the system

[ElNono]

His defense has been awful and it's something Pop needs to account for with a better defender at the 2 than Beli. It was just a strange suggestion on your part that he was looking for his numbers, especially after a string of single digit games and few shot attempts.

I said he got his numbers last night.

That's another aspect that's new to Tony, he's been fairly inconsistent, something you kinda expect from older guys like Tim or Gino, but it was a rarity on Tony.

It's not a knock, I think he's learning to adapt to his new realities. I like the fact that he at least got some speed back...

[peacemaker885]

It never is one player or one play... we laid a gigantic egg in the 1st half, and we couldn't drag ourselves out of it. Should serve as a lesson.

This. Spurs lost because the Pelicans played better for 48 mins.

[313]

Parker is a scrub PG. The dude only ever really sets up Timmy.
In many of Kawhi's big games he was being assisted by..you guessed it..TP.

[Pauleta14]

I said he got his numbers last night.

That's another aspect that's new to Tony, he's been fairly inconsistent, something you kinda expect from older guys like Tim or Gino, but it was a rarity on Tony.

It's not a knock, I think he's learning to adapt to his new realities. I like the fact that he at least got some speed back...

Don't you think that the fewer shot attempted also indicates that he doesn't care about having his numbers and is willing (too much sometimes) to let others shine?

[ElNono]

Don't you think that the fewer shot attempted also indicates that he doesn't care about having his numbers and is willing (too much sometimes) to let others shine?

I think what that means is that he's re-learning to pick his spots, which is fine.

Obviously, physically he's not what he used to be, and Kawhi becoming a legitimate offensive option also changes the complexion of the team.

[Drachen]

OP taking shots before posting?

[dabom]

Do people watch the games or just look at box scores before posting about the game?

[apalisoc_9]

parker is a ballhog.

[DarrinS]

I prefer the ball movement that doesn't involve TP dribbling all over the place.

[apalisoc_9]

I prefer the ball movement that doesn't involve TP dribbling all over the place.

[itzsoweezee]

No. Are you suggesting that Tony Parker is a scrub?

No. Learn to read you fucking idiot.

[itzsoweezee]

Tony got his numbers, which is fine. Norris Cole getting the numbers he had was a problem, tbh...

Yup

[RD2191]

No. Learn to read you fucking idiot.
:lol

[spurraider21]

And all meaningless because they finished with the 6th seed and no HCA..moron:lol
its not all meaningless, still good to be peaking at the right time in general

[apalisoc_9]

like i said tp's ego is going to cost the spurs rings...just like in 2013 when he went 6/7846567890 because he wanted fmvp...

[AaronY]

excellent debate

[TheGreatYacht]

Wouldn't doubt it if Green was mad at Matrix for choking a free throw in Game 6, which cost him a Finals MVP

[DarrinS]

Wouldn't doubt it if Green was mad at Matrix for choking a free throw in Game 6, which cost him a Finals MVP

Danny is one of my fav players, but he no-showed in 7.

[Malik Hairston]

its not all meaningless, still good to be peaking at the right time in general

Peaking at the right time is a myth in basketball, tbh..

[wildchild]

Leonard has been crowned the man, he showed on numerous games he can take the ball everytime he fucking wants and creates his own shot but you blame Parker to not give the ball in the 1st quarter ?


The entire team has been devastating on offense since that magic Feb. 26 date. 112.4 ORtg for the Spurs, 2nd place Golden State 109.8. Trying to act like the offense would be even better if Parker fed Kawhi the ball more often is naive.

Kawhi was the leading scorer in the season but also in the Spurs winning streak. Why let him parking in the corner now?

The facts show that he took more shots and was more effective when Tony was on the bench. We were talking this season about how much Leonard needs to be involved in the first minutes to maximize his production through the game, why he didn't get the ball in the first quarter last 3 games?

It's about Tony's offense emergence? It's Pop demanding TP's shots instead of involve Kawhi? Or something about Parker's age and get the best of him before the fatigue starting catch up to him? So how it works with Leonard, since he also needs shots early in the game to be comfortable and confident next quarters?

Whatever the reason, the Spurs didn't win games this season and last Finals with Kawhi parking in the corner.
Watching the last 2 games in where the leading scorer of the team rarely touched the ball in the first quarters, being mostly relegated to the corner like a 3's spot shooter...this isn't a successful way.


The only world that TP and Kawhi can't exist is in the heads of Spurs fans that post in Spurstalk. Both players are valuable assets to a team that has made reached the WCF and NBA Finals last three years. Stop making shit up.
Looking the numbers just in a few games this season both scored +20 points. Comparing with another duos in the league, they're very incompatible as offensive tandem
It seems like Pop has been unable to find a more distributed offense between these two guys.

[jag]

Peaking at the right time is a myth in basketball, tbh..

Playing good basketball is not a myth, tbh

[Malik Hairston]

Playing good basketball is not a myth, tbh

Sure, but a good team is a good team, regardless..NBA teams that are "peaking" usually have a good combination of scheduling and in the Spurs case, desperation/health..

[dabom]

Sure, but a good team is a good team, regardless..NBA teams that are "peaking" usually have a good combination of scheduling and in the Spurs case, desperation/health..

That's why the dallas team was tough. They were playing crazy hard to get in the playoffs. Their playoff games started long before the first round.

[TheGreatYacht]

Danny is one of my fav players, but he no-showed in 7.
He did I can't deny that, but if other players on the team can win Finals MVP's even after disappearing for 2 games and only suiting up to play for 3... Green deserved it when he played lights out for five

[FkLA]

Your prior statement made mention of our biggest weapons. Boris and Leonard had 28 shots between them. Three point shooting was held in check by the team giving up the second fewest threes in the league. That has far more to do with the Pels D than with anything Parker may or may not have done for one quarter of the game.

I said three-point shooting (aided by ball movement) was the team's best collective weapon. That's fine if the Pels defend it well, but you're really telling me the second unit managed to put up 10 3PT FGA the 14 minutes Enrique was off the floor but the team couldn't get any looks the 34 minutes he was on? Seems like a pretty ridiculous notion tbh.

Boris was involved. I think him, Timmy and to a lesser extent Baynes are the biggest beneficiaries when Tony goes into his dribble dribble dribble or two-man game.

Kawhi shot 4-5 shots during the stretch when he was on the floor w/o the starters. Forced a couple others. There's a big difference between FGA and calling plays for him, getting him the ball in his sweet spots. How often was the offense ran through him in the post while Rique was out there? We saw a heavy dose of that during the most dominant stretch of the winning streak.


Do you think Tony has for his entire career consistently played outside of Pop's system and against Pop's his wishes? Or perhaps Tony is uncoachable. Do you think Pop is intimidated or afraid to confront Tony and ask him to conform to what he believes is a winning system? Do the interactions you've observed between Pop and Tony, over the course of his Tony's career, lead you to believe Pop would choose a non-confrontational route when dealing with Tony, and instead choose to ignore the problem?

And what of Tim and Manu? The three players have maintained a great relationship off the court and great chemistry on the court, which is also true of their relationship with their coach. Do you believe that would be possible over so many years with the unquestionable selfishness that you attribute to Tony?

All the players, especially the Big 3, do their own thing outside the system at times. Manu has done it over the course of his career too except it was in a different way and when he fucked up it was usually a stupid pass/turnover. He's a two guard that always had elite courtvision, Rique OTOH has always been a scoring point guard. His way of venturing outside the system is to go into hero mode. Aside from the fact that he's been a much better player, that's the real reason most of us always preferred Manu over Rique--not bc he's Hispanic. :lol

[glen907]

Never understood all the tony hate but it's real though for some fans of the team, feel for you guys never satisfied i guess or more likely limited knowledge of the game and team you supposed to root for. By the way every 4 quarter of the last 2 finals guess who they put lebron on??? If you don't know the game then just stfu, better to be thought a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt

[Silver&Black]

He did I can't deny that, but if other players on the team can win Finals MVP's even after disappearing for 2 games and only suiting up to play for 3... Green deserved it when he played lights out for five

It's called foul trouble dude....

You know guarding the best player in the world will do that to you. Guarding Lebron for 12 Finals games was by far the hardest thing any Spurs player has had to do in the last two years...

Kawhi answered the challenge...and ended up getting his on the offensive end. He deserved FMVP.

[Sean Cagney]

The Spurs just didn't seem emotionally invested in this game. They had no intensity during the game. I think they were already thinking ahead to the playoffs.

IDK how that happens in the biggest game of the season but it did.....

[Sean Cagney]

Wouldn't doubt it if Green was mad at Matrix for choking a free throw in Game 6, which cost him a Finals MVP

TD might have won with his 31-17 that night, it was close...

[TheGreatYacht]

TD might have won with his 31-17 that night, it was close...
Yeah he would've been my favorite to win it, but I know Green had that trophy in his mind

[TVI]

Never understood all the tony hate but it's real though for some fans of the team...
Meh...there will always be"player first" fans that care more for an individual than they do a team. My heart bleeds silver and black. As long as they wear those colors I'm a fan of that player. Hell, if I can accept Horry, a former Rocket AND a former Laker, I can accept anyone.
:bobo

[BackHome]

Man it has grown to Epic proportions on this "My Player is better then Your Player" Get a fucking life they all play for our team!!!!........THE FUCKING SPURS..............