It's ok to hate Tony Parker

[FkLA]

Give me MVPaddy or give me death :flag:

[shingo_318]

No time to hate such a piece of shit TBH

[Darius Bieber]

Pop needs to pull a Rick Carlisle on Parker's ass

[RD2191]

:lmao

[SupremeGuy]

:lmao

[Hemotivo]

:lmao

:lmao

[itsamanuthree]

:lol

[FkLA]

:lmao
:lmao
:lmao
:lmao

[K...]

I may be wrong but i think El Nono may have already made the official thread in this style. But I love the way you can take a stale take and make it fresh. Keep em coming fkla.

[Spurminator]

At this point in anyone's tenure as a Spurs fan, I find it hard to believe a person would feel the need to *hate* any individual Spurs player, particularly one who has already been a significant contributor to multiple Championships. But some people just have miserable lives I guess.

[pgardn]

So the OP hopes he is out for the rest of the playoffs?

[ElNono]

tbh, I'll be the voice of reason, I don't hate Tony. I just hope that if he's hurt, and he really can't go, don't try to warrior it, just step aside and we'll try to figure it out.

I hope he gets well soon, and he at least can give us some productive minutes at home.

[SupremeGuy]

:cry

[pgardn]

tbh, I'll be the voice of reason, I don't hate Tony. I just hope that if he's hurt, and he really can't go, don't try to warrior it, just step aside and we'll try to figure it out.

I hope he gets well soon, and he at least can give us some productive minutes at home.

Same.

Except I hope he can play effectively, we need ball handlers.
Its quite obvious to me.

[nowitzkikopf]

tbh, I'll be the voice of reason, I don't hate Tony. I just hope that if he's hurt, and he really can't go, don't try to warrior it, just step aside and we'll try to figure it out.

I hope he gets well soon, and he at least can give us some productive minutes at home.

this. you can't hate the guy- he's run the point magnificently every year until last year. however, 0-6 and 1 pt is kinda pathetic out of a former all-star, starting pg lol.

[FkLA]

I may be wrong but i think El Nono may have already made the official thread in this style. But I love the way you can take a stale take and make it fresh. Keep em coming fkla.

Can you link it for me? I tried searching for it but couldn't find it. Was hoping to bump since we can never have enough of these threads tbh.

[slick'81]

D

[slick'81]

Don't have to hate tony he sucks right now dude didn't even want to shoot tonight.thank god for patty

[Chinook]

He just can't defend at all. Against the Clips' guards, that's a nonstarter.

[FkLA]

He just can't defend at all. Against the Clips' guards, that's a nonstarter.

I hate how he finds it so easy to just switch pick n rolls instead of fighting through them. The bigs were left on an island against CP3 numerous times because of that weak shit tbh.

[K...]

Can you link it for me? I tried searching for it but couldn't find it. Was hoping to bump since we can never have enough of these threads tbh.

its not worth it bro.

Best case example. Tony is out for the two home games but is ready to close it out. But i don't know. Is it achilles strain or tear?

I'm not worried about the spurs w/o parker. Play Gino more minutes and trust Patty. But there has been lots of stale offense lately and i don't think removing the starting point guard is the solution. THe spurs have to find ways to get back to the beautiful game. Hopefully Diaw picks up the slack to avenge his french friend.

[K...]

He just can't defend at all. Against the Clips' guards, that's a nonstarter.

parker or mills? LOL,

[Prose]

Shut up!!!!! Stop hating on the guy for risking his career and trying to give everything he has when he is clearly hurt. Don't be mad at him for being hurt be mad at pop for playing him over patty

[pgardn]

He just can't defend at all. Against the Clips' guards, that's a nonstarter.

Green was really quite good.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

At this point in anyone's tenure as a Spurs fan, I find it hard to believe a person would feel the need to *hate* any individual Spurs player, particularly one who has already been a significant contributor to multiple Championships. But some people just have miserable lives I guess.

This. Not sure how someone can call themselves a Spurs fan and hate on Spurs players.

[pgardn]

He just can't defend at all. Against the Clips' guards, that's a nonstarter.

That puts Mills on the bench as well.

Corey?
Paging Corey "handles" Joseph

[Lerojo]

Tony has always been a diva, and never played through injury well. One of the softest players in the nba.

But seriously stfu, there's 1000000 other threads on this shit.

[Mikeanaro]

I dont hate him, but I dont want him to drag the team down, he cant even follow CP3´s shadow and that will cost us games.

[ElNono]

That puts Mills on the bench as well.

Corey?
Paging Corey "handles" Joseph

At least with Mills you hope there's going to be some scoring at the other end... I just don't trust that Tony's J...

[FkLA]

This. Not sure how someone can call themselves a Spurs fan and hate on Spurs players.

Why did people find it so easy to hate on guys like RJ, Blair, Bonner then? They were Spurs players too. '15 Enrique is just as bad if not worse than those guys. Bottom line is I like seeing my Spurs win and he's fucking that up, so if anything I'm the ultimate team fan.

:flag:

[RD2191]

Why did people find it so easy to hate on guys like RJ, Blair, Bonner then? They were Spurs players too. '15 Enrique is just as bad if not worse than those guys.

[spurraider21]

tbh, I'll be the voice of reason, I don't hate Tony. I just hope that if he's hurt, and he really can't go, don't try to warrior it, just step aside and we'll try to figure it out.

I hope he gets well soon, and he at least can give us some productive minutes at home.
this. the spurs have shown they can adjust to life without TP. if he's struggling, there's no need to drag us down with him.

[Nathan89]

Spurs need to buyout his contract before it starts.:lol

[pgardn]

At least with Mills you hope there's going to be some scoring at the other end... I just don't trust that Tony's J...

It be gone.
No doubt.

I need handles out there. It's a really tough spot we are in.
Parker can't defend, but I don't have to gasp immediately when a defender engages him.

[tuncaboylu]

tbh, I'll be the voice of reason, I don't hate Tony. I just hope that if he's hurt, and he really can't go, don't try to warrior it, just step aside and we'll try to figure it out.

I hope he gets well soon, and he at least can give us some productive minutes at home.


If he does so, the same crew will accuse him as being pussy.

Those guys don't need a logical reason to hate him, they're just haters. They will hate Parker even he would score 30 pts and dishes 10 assists.

[Stabula]

Tony Parker is anything but soft. Have you seen the way that guy plays? He gets the living shit beat out of him on every play because he'll fearlessly attack a guy 70lbs heavier and 5 inches taller than him. He clearly doesn't have his legs and can't beat his man off the dribble like he's been able to in the past. Something is definitely wrong and he can't produce.

[K...]

Why did people find it so easy to hate on guys like RJ, Blair, Bonner then? They were Spurs players too. '15 Enrique is just as bad if not worse than those guys.

uh, random scrubs, vs HOF pg for ten yrs? I don't know i find it easier to hate people i barely know than close family members. Do ya'll guys go home and shout "fuck you dad for getting old, your so useless, stop trying to hero-ball yourself"

[RD2191]

Tony Parker is anything but soft. Have you seen the way that guy plays? He gets the living shit beat out of him on every play because he'll fearlessly attack a guy 70lbs heavier and 5 inches taller than him. He clearly doesn't have his legs and can't beat his man off the dribble like he's been able to in the past. Something is definitely wrong and he can't produce.
he's fucking done. there aint no coming back from this. i wouldnt mind him coming off the bench but the dude shouldn't be starting. no way in hell.

[pgardn]

this. the spurs have shown they can adjust to life without TP. if he's struggling, there's no need to drag us down with him.

You think we can go to the Finals without him?
I don't.

[FkLA]

Why did people find it so easy to hate on guys like RJ, Blair, Bonner then? They were Spurs players too. '15 Enrique is just as bad if not worse than those guys.

uh, random scrubs, vs HOF pg for ten yrs? I don't know i find it easier to hate people i barely know than close family members. Do ya'll guys go home and shout "fuck you dad for getting old, your so useless, stop trying to hero-ball yourself"

And that's why you're a player fan and I'm the ultimate team fan. The only player that deserves that treatment is Timothy Duncan.

[spurraider21]

You think we can go to the Finals without him?
I don't.
depends if the warriors get eliminated :lol

long term, yeah i'd love for parker to be healthy and playing well. but if his play is hurting the team, i dont want him forcing the issue

[HI-FI]

Why did people find it so easy to hate on guys like RJ, Blair, Bonner then? They were Spurs players too. '15 Enrique is just as bad if not worse than those guys. Bottom line is I like seeing my Spurs win and he's fucking that up, so if anything I'm the ultimate team fan.

:flag:
this. i always found it stupid to blame someone like Bonner when the "head of the snake" is unreliable, bangs teammates wives, seems inherently selfish etc...

Regardless, thank God for Patty. You couldn't ask for a better teammate or backup PG.

[pgardn]

And that's why you're a player fan and I'm the ultimate team fan. The only player that deserves that treatment is Timothy Duncan.

Quite frankly you are the ultimate fuck wad.
I apologize. It's the truth though.

[Chinook]

You think we can go to the Finals without him?
I don't.

Pretty sure they made it to the Finals without him last year.

[slick'81]

There is no defending Parker at this point ,he has fallen off completely this season.dude has got to be hurt .he was passing up shots tonight and I mean quad,ankle,achilles is dude really hurt ?or is he just gassed?

[pgardn]

depends if the warriors get eliminated :lol

long term, yeah i'd love for parker to be healthy and playing well. but if his play is hurting the team, i dont want him forcing the issue
Neither do I.

But imo, no way we get a championship without him.
I would be most happy to be absolutely wrong.

[pgardn]

Pretty sure they made it to the Finals without him last year.

Sure thing.

So who was running the point against Dallas?
And who plays point now and takes us to the finals?

[Chinook]

Sure thing.

So who was running the point against Dallas?
And who plays point now and takes us to the finals?

Who was running point when the Spurs closed out Portland and OKC? Who was running point when the Spurs broke open the Finals? I get your point, but I also feel it's been debunked as well. An injured Parker isn't better than Mills or Joseph. That's the only thing that matters to this discussion.

[ElNono]

It be gone.
No doubt.

I need handles out there. It's a really tough spot we are in.
Parker can't defend, but I don't have to gasp immediately when a defender engages him.

This is what's puzzling about the whole thing: Pop could've easily put him on Barnes early and let Danny guard CP3, but he didn't.

Which leads me to believe that Tony just didn't tell Pop he was hurting as much as he was.

There are players you can hide Tony on in this series.

[ElNono]

Sure thing.

So who was running the point against Dallas?
And who plays point now and takes us to the finals?

Don't wanna pile on, but he was actually pretty darn bad against Dallas until Game 7, especially defensively. I mean, if he's at the top of his game, that series probably doesn't go 7 games.

But that's the thing, if he's hurt, speak up, don't try to warrior it. I understand if he tried to warrior it when he was 25, but at this stage, it's clear that him playing hurt really affects his game.

[loveforthegame]

Double standard. :(

[mkurts]

Porky just needs to handle the ball, some back cuts, nothing fancy, pass the fucking ball to open guys and not shoot long jumpers of death

[pgardn]

Who was running point when the Spurs closed out Portland and OKC? Who was running point when the Spurs broke open the Finals? I get your point, but I also feel it's been debunked as well. An injured Parker isn't better than Mills or Joseph. That's the only thing that matters to this discussion.

So you are saying Mills and or Joseph can get us 6?
I think you are dead wrong and hope I am dead wrong.

Tony was the PG against every team we beat in the playoffs. He did what he needed to do.

[pgardn]

Don't wanna pile on, but he was actually pretty darn bad against Dallas until Game 7, especially defensively. I mean, if he's at the top of his game, that series probably doesn't go 7 games.

But that's the thing, if he's hurt, speak up, don't try to warrior it. I understand if he tried to warrior it when he was 25, but at this stage, it's clear that him playing hurt really affects his game.

We would not have beaten Dallas without him.
He ran the point against every team we faced in the playoffs.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why did people find it so easy to hate on guys like RJ, Blair, Bonner then? They were Spurs players too. '15 Enrique is just as bad if not worse than those guys. Bottom line is I like seeing my Spurs win and he's fucking that up, so if anything I'm the ultimate team fan.

:flag:

You are not going to take aging well.

[Johnny RIngo]

Tony Parker is anything but soft. Have you seen the way that guy plays? He gets the living shit beat out of him on every play because he'll fearlessly attack a guy 70lbs heavier and 5 inches taller than him. He clearly doesn't have his legs and can't beat his man off the dribble like he's been able to in the past. Something is definitely wrong and he can't produce.

Yes, it's called playoff ball.

[Johnny RIngo]

We would not have beaten Dallas without him.
He ran the point against every team we faced in the playoffs.

Manu and Tiago were our best players against Dallas. Parker was pretty bad in that series.

[ElNono]

We would not have beaten Dallas without him.
He ran the point against every team we faced in the playoffs.

There's no way to know that. What we do know for a fact is that Patty has stepped up and given us great play whenever we needed it on every series since round 2 last playoffs, including tonight.

I will always take a healthy Tony over Patty, but Tony right now is too hurt. I don't know if we win 6 with either (hurt Tony or healthy Patty), but I'll take my chances with the healthy guy.

[pgardn]

There's no way to know that. What we do know for a fact is that Patty has stepped up and given us great play whenever we needed it on every series since round 2 last playoffs, including tonight.

I will always take a healthy Tony over Patty, but Tony right now is too hurt. I don't know if we win 6 with either (hurt Tony or healthy Patty), but I'll take my chances with the healthy guy.

Yep.
I realize that.

Tis an opinion that I feel strongly about.

To me Patty is a straight line guard, he is not shifty. I don't think he is a PG. Patty has much greater range than Parker or Joseph and is clearly a scorer. My opinion is we can't win without Tony. I don't see the Mills/Joseph duo getting it done. If we could fuse them into one player that was physical on D (Joseph) was a scorer (Patty) and could run the team by being somewhat shifty (Joseph), we would have a chance.

Again, I hope I am totally wrong because I want this so bad for Tim.

[ElNono]

Yep.
I realize that.

Tis an opinion that I feel strongly about.

To me Patty is a straight line guard, he is not shifty. I don't think he is a PG. Patty has much greater range than Parker or Joseph and is clearly a scorer. My opinion is we can't win without Tony. I don't see the Mills/Joseph duo getting it done. If we could fuse them into one player that was physical on D (Joseph) was a scorer (Patty) and could run the team by being somewhat shifty (Joseph), we would have a chance.

Again, I hope I am totally wrong because I want this so bad for Tim.

He's an SG. That's why when Manu fouled out, I thought we were in trouble, but hey you gotta credit Patty here. He also ran the team damn well in that closeout game against Portland last season.

Ultimately, the Spurs offense is really choreographed. We'll be more predictable just executing, but if he can do that, he's at least fast, can shoot and spread the floor.

[Matty2Cool]

At this point in anyone's tenure as a Spurs fan, I find it hard to believe a person would feel the need to *hate* any individual Spurs player, particularly one who has already been a significant contributor to multiple Championships. But some people just have miserable lives I guess.

You don't have to "hate" someone but can be a realistic non bias fan and say someone needs to be benched for someone playing more effectively and productively

[FkLA]

I don't get why this dude pgardn acts like the offense is PG reliant or like Enrique is prime Nash/Stockton tbh.

Yeah he's still the best ballhandler on the team but it's not like he uses that to do more than dribble dribble dribble or play a two man game with Timmy.

[FkLA]

You don't have to "hate" someone but can be a realistic non bias fan and say someone needs to be benched for someone playing more effectively and productively

jesus christ who is that chick your sig? please tell me she does porn

[HI-FI]

:lol yeah that sig stole the show.

[ElNono]

jesus christ who is that chick your sig? please tell me she does porn

Sara Jean Underwood
Playmate of the Year 2007

[100%duncan]

Chinook destroyed people in this thread.

[100%duncan]

You don't have to "hate" someone but can be a realistic non bias fan and say someone needs to be benched for someone playing more effectively and productively

Holy fuck that signature

[Matty2Cool]

I think Parker is having more "mental" issues than actual physical injuries. Could all be in his head but right now we need guys who are performing aka mills

[Matty2Cool]

jesus christ who is that chick your sig? please tell me she does porn

Sara Underwood...no porn tho

[Johnny RIngo]

http://s5.postimg.org/4sfcxz4pj/playoff_PER.png

RIP Tony Parker

Hate seeing him struggle like this. He needs to take the summer off(no France bullshit) and figure things out. He's still owed 45 mil over three years. He's going to be here for a while but his game isn't aging well. Get in better shape(maybe ask Tim and Manu for advice on their diet), work on his shooting, learn to play offball. I dunno.

[Nathan89]

http://s5.postimg.org/4sfcxz4pj/playoff_PER.png

RIP Tony Parker

Hate seeing him struggle like this. He needs to take the summer off(no France bullshit) and figure things out. He's still owed 45 mil over three years. He's going to be here for a while but his game isn't aging well. Get in better shape(maybe ask Tim and Manu for advice on their diet), work on his shooting, learn to play offball. I dunno.:vomit:

[Diego20]

You think we can go to the Finals without him?
I don't.

wat?

Look Spurs last playoffs..

[pgardn]

I don't get why this dude pgardn acts like the offense is PG reliant or like Enrique is prime Nash/Stockton tbh.

Yeah he's still the best ballhandler on the team but it's not like he uses that to do more than dribble dribble dribble or play a two man game with Timmy.

Because he can dribble the f'n ball without getting smothered. Who else besides Gino could do this for 35 min?
On our team, who? This is the playoffs, blood is in the water, if you got a weakness, it WILL be exploited. Then add to this our passing game is made so much easier if a player can penetrate.

Honest to God you don't understand how difficult a task simply starting an offense can be on this level in the playoffs. Even Ginobili, the 2nd most competent handles on the team, usually begins the process after the ball crosses half court and the flow and positioning is semi-started.

If KL could steal the ball every time, or outlets were available like KL to Patty, we would not need a point. But what happens after an opponents made basket and the D is set up waiting on incompetence?

You really don't see this? Really?

And yes Parker can clearly over-dribble and take shots way too quickly imo. Because he can, he has the ability. This is decision making, this can clearly be a problem. Imo we don't have a guy over the long haul of a series that has the ability to simply get the offense started without frantic overuse of other players that are taken out of their comfort zone. It's this simple. The breakdown of the offense starts very early during the 24 seconds after a made basket. We have a much higher probability of getting a poor shot or not even getting a shot.

If you have a 35 min point for me game after game in the playoffs name him.
None of this may even matter if he is limping around. We can't squeeze by like last nite for a championship game after game, series after series imo.

[pgardn]

wat?

Look Spurs last playoffs..

Yes.

Parker was our PG.

So since you disagree, tell me who played PG game after game series after series?

[Expert]

Because he can dribble the f'n ball without getting smothered. Who else besides Gino could do this for 35 min?
On our team, who? This is the playoffs, blood is in the water, if you got a weakness, it WILL be exploited. Then add to this our passing game is made so much easier if a player can penetrate.

Honest to God you don't understand how difficult a task simply starting an offense can be on this level in the playoffs. Even Ginobili, the 2nd most competent handles on the team, usually begins the process after the ball crosses half court and the flow and positioning is semi-started.

If KL could steal the ball every time, or outlets were available like KL to Patty, we would not need a point. But what happens after an opponents made basket and the D is set up waiting on incompetence?

You really don't see this? Really?

And yes Parker can clearly over-dribble and take shots way too quickly imo. Because he can, he has the ability. This is decision making, this can clearly be a problem. Imo we don't have a guy over the long haul of a series that has the ability to simply get the offense started without frantic overuse of other players that are taken out of their comfort zone. It's this simple. The breakdown of the offense starts very early during the 24 seconds after a made basket. We have a much higher probability of getting a poor shot or not even getting a shot.

If you have a 35 min point for me game after game in the playoffs name him.
None of this may even matter if he is limping around. We can't squeeze by like last nite for a championship game after game, series after series imo.

This is true when Tony was in his prime. Right now Tony can't hit a short range jumper, but he doesn't have a go to move, a plan b, to compensate for his inability to penetrate and score. No one cares if Tony penetrates if cannot score. Spurs need to have meaningful shot clock movement, not 18 seconds of Tony dribbling around until he finally dumps off to Tim.

The Spurs aren't the same as they were several years ago, but they are about the same as they were last year. Tony wasn't very important in the playoffs last year, and not really in the Finals either except that last 5 minutes when he had to get his.

[Diego20]

Yes.

Parker was our PG.

So since you disagree, tell me who played PG game after game series after series?

Nobody said we have another PG besides TP that can play 35 minutes a game. But TP should stop playing 35 minutes a game and play 18-20 min so backup PGs can play a little more.

[MateoNeygro]

Why did people find it so easy to hate on guys like RJ, Blair, Bonner then? They were Spurs players too. '15 Enrique is just as bad if not worse than those guys.

uh, random scrubs, vs HOF pg for ten yrs? I don't know i find it easier to hate people i barely know than close family members. Do ya'll guys go home and shout "fuck you dad for getting old, your so useless, stop trying to hero-ball yourself"

LMAO

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Parker's injured. He really needs to be only playing 15 minutes at most these games. Its hard to hit jumpshots, especially when the injuries are to your legs and ankles.

Its good the Spurs are heading back home right now so Parker can get better treatment. And Parker needs to be facilitator. He has a few nice assist that help build the Spurs lead. It was when he tried play hero ball gain, he stagnate the Spurs offense again.

Tony needs to go watch some film of Stockton. That is exactly the way he should be playing. Looking to pass first and only shot when his defender completely drops off of him because of his passing.

[Seventyniner]

The whole shtick against Parker is that he has always been overrated. Even though he has had the third-most successful career of any Spur and will only be passed in the near future by Kawhi.

OP has had an agenda against Parker for years and when Parker starts playing badly (granted that's been most of this season), he just starts spamming. Probably feels good after being shit on by Parker for all these years.

Parker has been legit terrible these two games and if he isn't healthy, he's hurting the team. But his importance to the system can't be overstated. He is every bit as important as Manu or Diaw.

[ernest787]

The Parker threads are stupid at this point. The fact is the Spurs cannot win a championship without him playing better.

Patty and Cojo are both good for what they are. Patty will get exposed over the course of a PO series. Even with TP not playing well, teams still have to honor him, but they don't give any respect to Cojo at all.

Spurs should have won that game by 10 last night even with a one legged TP. Duncan missed some gimmies. They had poor defensive rebounding during the hack a Jordan, and they missed some wide open 3s late.

That said, when TP left the game for good, the offense completely bogged down. It was painful to watch. It was hard for the team to get into sets and with only one playmaker on the floor (Manu) the clips were able to double and get the ball out of his hands. Patty thankfully stepped up, but I would much rather have TP instituting the offense and handling the ball, but if he is that hurt they may not have a choice but to sit him for at least a game.

[Blake]

What a retarded thread

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Because he can dribble the f'n ball without getting smothered. Who else besides Gino could do this for 35 min?
On our team, who? This is the playoffs, blood is in the water, if you got a weakness, it WILL be exploited. Then add to this our passing game is made so much easier if a player can penetrate.

Honest to God you don't understand how difficult a task simply starting an offense can be on this level in the playoffs. Even Ginobili, the 2nd most competent handles on the team, usually begins the process after the ball crosses half court and the flow and positioning is semi-started.

If KL could steal the ball every time, or outlets were available like KL to Patty, we would not need a point. But what happens after an opponents made basket and the D is set up waiting on incompetence?

You really don't see this? Really?

And yes Parker can clearly over-dribble and take shots way too quickly imo. Because he can, he has the ability. This is decision making, this can clearly be a problem. Imo we don't have a guy over the long haul of a series that has the ability to simply get the offense started without frantic overuse of other players that are taken out of their comfort zone. It's this simple. The breakdown of the offense starts very early during the 24 seconds after a made basket. We have a much higher probability of getting a poor shot or not even getting a shot.

If you have a 35 min point for me game after game in the playoffs name him.
None of this may even matter if he is limping around. We can't squeeze by like last nite for a championship game after game, series after series imo.

Well said. Parkers ability to get to the rim forces defenses to account for him. Because the opposing defense is forced to cut off his advances to the rim this creates open shots around the perimeter and sometimes even mismatches with the big screening for him. Manu is the only other person with similar ability. Watch how the defense reacts or how the offense flows when Mills is in there. Because mills doesn't have the same ability the opposing players dont
have to help. The offense is even more perimeter oriented in that the ball tends to pass more around the perimeter than actually passes going toward the rim. If Parker is unable to play then opposing defense may make adjustment toward Mills and I'm not sure if he can be effective as he would be coming off the bench.

[Perry Mason]

Manu and Tiago were our best players against Dallas. Parker was pretty bad in that series.

Stop with your agenda. Games 5 and 7 say hello.

[weebo]

I'm with Nono on this one. If Parker is hurt and really can't play, he should sit. Having said that, there is no way the Spurs get far in these playoffs without Parker and Tiago playing significant minutes. As much as people want to hate Parker and say the Spurs could do better with Cojo/Mills at pg, they're completely missing the point. Look at it this way, the Spurs are like machine with moving parts. Each moving part has a specific purpose. Remove said part from the machine and the machine starts to break down. Now, do I think Parker is the team's first, second, third, or fourth best player? No, but I do think he is still an important component and him missing time really hurts the Spurs. Call it losing continuity or whatever, but there is no "beautiful game" without all parts working in synch.

[RD2191]

I'm with Nono on this one. If Parker is hurt and really can't play, he should sit. Having said that, there is no way the Spurs get far in these playoffs without Parker and Tiago playing significant minutes. As much as people want to hate Parker and say the Spurs could do better with Cojo/Mills at pg, they're completely missing the point. Look at it this way, the Spurs are like machine with moving parts. Each moving part has a specific purpose. Remove said part from the machine and the machine starts to break down. Now, do I think Parker is the team's first, second, third, or fourth best player? No, but I do think he is still an important component and him missing time really hurts the Spurs. Call it losing continuity or whatever, but there is no "beautiful game" without all parts working in synch.
says who?

[mclinejr]

TP will redeem himself.

[weebo]

says who?

Says everyone who knows a thing or two about the Spurs and basketball, including Spurs players and coaches. PJ Carlesimo (closely associated with the Spurs) said this much this morning. So stop cheery picking arguments to fit your agenda. Also, if you had taken the time to read/comprehend my post you would understand the point I was trying to make, which happens to be that the Spurs need everyone to play to be successful in the long term because individually they don't match up talent wise vs some of the other teams in the league. Their depth and how they fit within the confines of their program is what makes them a championship team. You take that away from them you strip away an advantage.

Has it ever dawned on you why Pop always says the biggest thing for them going into the playoffs is health?

[Malik Hairston]

Parker is definitely useful to run the offense, but it's not really based on his actual ability anymore, he hasn't been a high-impact player since the 2013 Finals, tbh..he's useful in relation to the rest of the roster, as the Spurs are limited in options to run the offense outside of Ginobili, unfortunately..

As I've been saying for months, the role player version of Parker is fine, I don't mind if he gets the team into their sets, makes his open jump shots and occasionally throws in a floater/drive(which will be useful vs. teams with shitty PGs like the Rockets, especially)..I don't know why so many Spurs fans still discuss his role like it's 2013, though, the team didn't need him to do it for most of last year's playoffs:lol..

The unfortunate part about Parker is his salary, tbh..the Spurs are paying him 14 mil per year to play Pablo Prigioni's role, at this point, which is to bring the ball up and run the offense, while occasionally making the open jump shot..

[FkLA]

Because he can dribble the f'n ball without getting smothered. Who else besides Gino could do this for 35 min?
On our team, who? This is the playoffs, blood is in the water, if you got a weakness, it WILL be exploited. Then add to this our passing game is made so much easier if a player can penetrate.

Honest to God you don't understand how difficult a task simply starting an offense can be on this level in the playoffs. Even Ginobili, the 2nd most competent handles on the team, usually begins the process after the ball crosses half court and the flow and positioning is semi-started.

If KL could steal the ball every time, or outlets were available like KL to Patty, we would not need a point. But what happens after an opponents made basket and the D is set up waiting on incompetence?

You really don't see this? Really?

And yes Parker can clearly over-dribble and take shots way too quickly imo. Because he can, he has the ability. This is decision making, this can clearly be a problem. Imo we don't have a guy over the long haul of a series that has the ability to simply get the offense started without frantic overuse of other players that are taken out of their comfort zone. It's this simple. The breakdown of the offense starts very early during the 24 seconds after a made basket. We have a much higher probability of getting a poor shot or not even getting a shot.

If you have a 35 min point for me game after game in the playoffs name him.
None of this may even matter if he is limping around. We can't squeeze by like last nite for a championship game after game, series after series imo.

What ability to penetrate? He doesn't have that anymore, regardless of whether you want to blame it on age or his long list of minor, fake injuries.

The Spurs won big games without him last year. They've won games without him going back all the way to the Claxton/Kerr days. You love to bring up the Mavs series but completely ignore the fact that they won Game 6 at OKC with CoJo. A game which required a big comeback, in arguably the most hostile arena where the Spurs hadn't won in who knows how many tries. They closed out Portland without him. Looked their best in the Finals when Patty was draining threes and Rique was simply in 'I gotta trust my teammates this series, Pop' mode. Dribbling the ball up the court isn't that fucking hard, which is about all that Enrique has done these past few games.

[FkLA]

http://s5.postimg.org/4sfcxz4pj/playoff_PER.png


:vomit:

[beirmeistr]

This is true when Tony was in his prime. Right now Tony can't hit a short range jumper, but he doesn't have a go to move, a plan b, to compensate for his inability to penetrate and score. No one cares if Tony penetrates if cannot score. Spurs need to have meaningful shot clock movement, not 18 seconds of Tony dribbling around until he finally dumps off to Tim.

The Spurs aren't the same as they were several years ago, but they are about the same as they were last year. Tony wasn't very important in the playoffs last year, and not really in the Finals either except that last 5 minutes when he had to get his.

Einstein could not have said it any better.

[K...]

I'll say it again. If the spurs can hyper motion away, if kawhi becomes Jordan, if Duncan plays like prime alpha, if gino grows a brain, if mills grows court vision.

Lots of if, but if not then hell yes we need orchestra conductor Parker. Even if it's a two man game, that's still offense and a 2 man game with two HOF teammates? I'll take that over watching cojo or patty hide on the 3pnt line in the halfcourt setting.

[K...]

You hate dribble dribble dribble? Well you'll love pass pass pass. P.s., not the good kind, but the "I'm too scared to shoot and I can't dribble under stress" kind

[FkLA]

I'll say it again. If the spurs can hyper motion away, if kawhi becomes Jordan, if Duncan plays like prime alpha, if gino grows a brain, if mills grows court vision.

Lots of if, but if not then hell yes we need orchestra conductor Parker. Even if it's a two man game, that's still offense and a 2 man game with two HOF teammates? I'll take that over watching cojo or patty hide on the 3pnt line in the halfcourt setting.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/image.php?u=12977&dateline=1428602447


You hate dribble dribble dribble? Well you'll love pass pass pass. P.s., not the good kind, but the "I'm too scared to shoot and I can't dribble under stress" kind


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA68HU8wUMo

[pgardn]

Parker is definitely useful to run the offense, but it's not really based on his actual ability anymore, he hasn't been a high-impact player since the 2013 Finals, tbh..he's useful in relation to the rest of the roster, as the Spurs are limited in options to run the offense outside of Ginobili, unfortunately..

As I've been saying for months, the role player version of Parker is fine, I don't mind if he gets the team into their sets, makes his open jump shots and occasionally throws in a floater/drive(which will be useful vs. teams with shitty PGs like the Rockets, especially)..I don't know why so many Spurs fans still discuss his role like it's 2013, though, the team didn't need him to do it for most of last year's playoffs:lol..

The unfortunate part about Parker is his salary, tbh..the Spurs are paying him 14 mil per year to play Pablo Prigioni's role, at this point, which is to bring the ball up and run the offense, while occasionally making the open jump shot..

Once again, what we need from Parker is for him to bring the ball down the court and get the offense started. Our other guards get turtled up with moderate pressure. This is what I have been saying. Consistently. If we can get him healthy enough to actually penetrate off of set plays, all the better. Because no one besides Ginoboli can get this done. And he has declined as well.

And I am afraid Parker will not recover back to the 10 game winning streak form, first, because it's the playoffs, and the D is intensified. And second, he is hurt. So we really are hurting at PG.

I find the above perfectly reasonable.

[FkLA]

^So you agree that he's basically Pablo Prigioni? You think a team can't win if Pablo Prigioni doesn't play? :lol

[ernest787]

Anyone who compares Tony to Pablo Prigioni is just trolling.

[pgardn]

What ability to penetrate? He doesn't have that anymore, regardless of whether you want to blame it on age or his long list of minor, fake injuries.

The Spurs won big games without him last year. They've won games without him going back all the way to the Claxton/Kerr days. You love to bring up the Mavs series but completely ignore the fact that they won Game 6 at OKC with CoJo. A game which required a big comeback, in arguably the most hostile arena where the Spurs hadn't won in who knows how many tries. They closed out Portland without him. Looked their best in the Finals when Patty was draining threes and Rique was simply in 'I gotta trust my teammates this series, Pop' mode. Dribbling the ball up the court isn't that fucking hard, which is about all that Enrique has done these past few games.

You have no Fckn clue.
none...

You put Chris Paul on Patty after a made basket while Paul is not exhausted 1st quarter and you are asking for a slaughter that is completely unfair to Patty. Get this through your skull, Patty ain't a point. Patty needs to be down the court waiting for things to set up so he can score, because this is what Patty does, this is his niche. Open court breakout hit the three; Set play, corners and top of the key. Patty is a scorer, not an organizer.

[cd98]

We need Parker to get in the lane and break down defenses. The Spurs don't have anyone else on the roster that can handle and break down a defense. Parker got in the lane yesterday, and it caused some problems for the Clippers. Even if Parker doesn't finish, just getting in the lane means Jordan has to step up and challenge, which opens things up for Tim and others in the paint and also opens things up for three point shooters. Problem is, if he can't move effectively, he can't get in the paint. He may need to rest a couple games, but we don't have time to rest him. That Sunday game is going to be really tough for both teams. Not a full two day recovery before that Sunday 2:30 tip off.

[pgardn]

^So you agree that he's basically Pablo Prigioni? You think a team can't win if Pablo Prigioni doesn't play? :lol

So if you are telling me that Pablo is a better point than, Corey, Mills, yes.
Right now in Parker's current condition yes. If Pablo is better than our other points.

We are in a mess if Parker does not stop "faking" injuries as you so knowingly claim.


Christ...

[FkLA]

You have no Fckn clue.
none...

You put Chris Paul on Patty after a made basket while Paul is not exhausted 1st quarter and you are asking for a slaughter that is completely unfair to Patty. Get this through your skull, Patty ain't a point. Patty needs to be down the court waiting for things to set up so he can score, because this is what Patty does, this is his niche. Open court breakout hit the three; Set play, corners and top of the key. Patty is a scorer, not an organizer.

Jesus how hard do you have to reach to justify playing a horrible player simply because he can dribble up the floor? Paddy and Cory don't have Enrique's handles, but they're not rec league scrubs either. Pretty sure they can dribble a basketball up the court.

The offense is ran by Pop not TP. The structure is already there with or without Rique.


Anyone who compares Tony to Pablo Prigioni is just trolling.

2015 Playoffs
Enrique Parker: 5.5 ppg, 3.0 apg, 2.0 rpg on 23.5% shooting (29 mpg)
Pablo Prigioni: 4.5 ppg, 3.0 apg, 1.9 rpg on 43.7% shooting (22.5 mpg)

[K...]

I watched a third of the vid. Didn't see mills run the half court set. Saw Manu. Saw spot up shooting, saw fast break.

I think mills can play with Manu. Increase both their minutes, limit tp to 20m

[K...]

Fwiw I don't think anyone is arguing Tony should be played in corpse mode. Was is argued is that without tp the offense could suffer (but not defense lol). I say might, because we have seen the spurs play well without Tony.


Also old man Parker (but not corpse Parker) is a net positive. Those aren't controversial goals.

[Clipper Nation]

Anyone who compares Tony to Pablo Prigioni is just trolling.
Agreed. No need to insult Prigioni like that.

[apalisoc_9]

Agreed. No need to insult Prigioni like that.

:lol

[ernest787]

2015 Playoffs
Enrique Parker: 5.5 ppg, 3.0 apg, 2.0 rpg on 23.5% shooting (29 mpg)
Pablo Prigioni: 4.5 ppg, 3.0 apg, 1.9 rpg on 43.7% shooting (22.5 mpg)


If you are aruging that Tony on 1/2 a leg = Pablo Prigioni then I'll conceed that. And since you are posting 2015 Playoff numbers, I'm assuming that is now your argument.

[pgardn]

Jesus how hard do you have to reach to justify playing a horrible player simply because he can dribble up the floor? Paddy and Cory don't have Enrique's handles, but they're not rec league scrubs either. Pretty sure they can dribble a basketball up the court.

The offense is ran by Pop not TP. The structure is already there.)

There is no reach whatsoever when bringing it up against Chris Paul.
None. Paul will kill someone he knows is not quick enough, he can gamble from anywhere.

Last night he cleaned KL out twice. Picked him clean. Just helping.

Yeah I enjoyed watching Pop bring the ball up. Pop manned up because he knew Tony was faking injuries.
Good point.

[RD2191]

Says everyone who knows a thing or two about the Spurs and basketball, including Spurs players and coaches. PJ Carlesimo (closely associated with the Spurs) said this much this morning. So stop cheery picking arguments to fit your agenda. Also, if you had taken the time to read/comprehend my post you would understand the point I was trying to make, which happens to be that the Spurs need everyone to play to be successful in the long term because individually they don't match up talent wise vs some of the other teams in the league. Their depth and how they fit within the confines of their program is what makes them a championship team. You take that away from them you strip away an advantage.

Has it ever dawned on you why Pop always says the biggest thing for them going into the playoffs is health?
The Spurs don't need Parker to be successful. Stats back that up.

[weebo]

The Spurs don't need Parker to be successful. Stats back that up.

Has it ever dawned on you why Pop always says the biggest thing for them going into the playoffs is health?

[SASdynasty!]

The Spurs don't need Parker to be successful. Stats back that up.
They only need him to be the leading scorer and assist-man. But not "successful."

[boutons_deux]

TP will redeem himself.

Bad ankle

Bad Achilles

.. Redemption looking improbable anytime soon

[K...]

The Spurs don't need Parker to be successful. Stats back that up.

Another example of holding papa Harlem stats but not understanding them.

[K...]

Also, it's not a true false thing. It's odds. Spurs are more likely to win with healthy Parker despite the magical stats that say the offense improved when he sat.

[FkLA]

If you are aruging that Tony on 1/2 a leg = Pablo Prigioni then I'll conceed that. And since you are posting 2015 Playoff numbers, I'm assuming that is now your argument.

You forgot the broken fingers, chronic flu and amputated asscheeks.

But yes we are talking about 2015. Is that not the year we are currently in?


There is no reach whatsoever when bringing it up against Chris Paul.
None. Paul will kill someone he knows is not quick enough, he can gamble from anywhere.

Last night he cleaned KL out twice. Picked him clean. Just helping.

Yeah I enjoyed watching Pop bring the ball up. Pop manned up because he knew Tony was faking injuries.
Good point.

He got Kawhi from behind. Name me a recent time where getting the ball across halfcourt has been an issue for the team, regardless of who was in at PG? The last time I can remember that happening is way back in '05 when Beno fell apart against Detroit in the Finals.

I'm saying Enrique isn't out there orchestrating much. The offense is already structured, Rique is simply a part of Pop's offense.

[pgardn]

You forgot the broken fingers, chronic flu and amputated asscheeks.

But yes we are talking about 2015. Is that not the year we are currently in?



He got Kawhi from behind. Name me a recent time where getting the ball across halfcourt has been an issue for the team, regardless of who was in at PG? The last time I can remember that happening is way back in '05 when Beno fell apart against Detroit in the Finals.

I'm saying Enrique isn't out there orchestrating much. The offense is already structured, Rique is simply a part of Pop's offense.

Last nite. Patty frrgn forgot 8 seconds and was right on it. Sean E. Almost had a heart attack.

But that's just the beginning. If we can't get the ball up quickly and say to Tim easily at the top of the key so he can overlook the floor and the curls off screens, the whole flow is immediately disrupted because the D is not on the back heel. The D is ready to jump routes on the front foot, they don't worry about anyone beating them. Defense can be much more aggressive if you can't beat your man off the dribble. The whole tone for overplay and jumping lanes is set.

Your man must play further off you if you can beat him off the dribble, the spacing becomes larger. Then you have all sorts of options. Passing, shooting and dribbling is much easier. It you recieve the ball and your man respects your dribble you get space! It's too simple. If you have options, the flow of the offense can begin.

You have to see the above if you have watched basketball or played any amount of time. The above is so obvious. Tony gets this respect. So the offense has at least a chance to work. No other point we have is allowed this type of space. And frankly Tony was not getting much of it last nite. CP smelled blood. It's the playoffs.

[dabom]

Faggots complaining about our only PG to lace them up for the playoffs. :lmao

[pgardn]

Faggots complaining about our only PG to lace them up for the playoffs. :lmao

You are quite gifted.
Recognizing yourself as hilarious is unique.
Masturbation must be a treat for you.

How old are you again son?

[FkLA]

http://i.imgur.com/Et3GhuA.jpg?1