I love Manu.....

[Mugen]

Probably my favorite player of all time. But enjoy retirement homie :toast

[HI-FI]

ElNono is too busy with his 100k party, but expect a passionate rebuttal.

[Mugen]

ElNono is too busy with his 100k party, but expect a passionate rebuttal.

my man ElNono is rollin' over in his grave over this Manu game tbh......

[ElNono]

Up to him, tbh.... he hasn't had a big impact in this series offensively yet, I would agree with that.

[100%duncan]

Tim and Manu leaving will expose Pop and Parker tbh since the big 2 have been carrying them their whole career :lol

[spurraider21]

Up to him, tbh.... he hasn't had a big impact in this series offensively yet, I would agree with that.
how about defensively

[Mugen]

Manu will always be a legend for his Championship Run last year. That's how I'm going to choose to remember him....

Not getting outplayed by Austin Fucking Rivers tbh :lol

[noles1983]

Gino, throwing passes to the other team since 2007

[HI-FI]

Ftr I'd like Manu to stick around another year. Now if Spurs could salary dump a certain PG...

[RD2191]

Manu will always be a legend for his Championship Run last year. That's how I'm going to choose to remember him....

Not getting outplayed by Austin Fucking Rivers tbh :lol
Mills and Porker were outplayed by Rivers.

[ElNono]

how about defensively

I thought he did good for 2.5 games. Although I don't really think he's the best option at this stage to guard Crawford.

[timtonymanu]

Terrible game from the Client tonight, for sure.

[spurraider21]

I thought he did good for 2.5 games. Although I don't really think he's the best option at this stage to guard Crawford.
i dont think guarding crawford is an issue. let him shoot. my issue with manu's defense has been the commission of unnecessary fouls, and trying to draw a charge every play instead of trying to contest the player

[Robz4000]

Time to retire. Hopefully Timmy comes back tho, and the Spurs dump Enrique on the Lakers.

[ElNono]

i dont think guarding crawford is an issue. let him shoot. my issue with manu's defense has been the commission of unnecessary fouls, and trying to draw a charge every play instead of trying to contest the player

He was awful with that in the 2nd half tonight... no excuses

[FkLA]

Half the time he looks like Mozart Ginobili but he's vintage Turnobili the other half of the time. Just can't bring it like he used to and we don't have another PG on the team tbh. :depressed

[Mugen]

Just had a rough year. Unable to hit 2 consecutive FTs. Hasn't been able to hit a 3 consistently to save his life, poor decision making without making it up....

Father time is undefeated (as evidenced by Pork's play), no shame in that......

[100%duncan]

It was sad since he played well his first stint off the bench but he regressed as the game went on

[timmy2003]

Time to retire

[FkLA]

His scoring isn't even the issue. He doesn't need to score big. We need him to orchestrate and today Turnobili showed up.

[BatManu20]

Manu's body just won't respond to what he's telling it to do. He's admitted this on more than one occasion. He's basically getting by on IQ alone at this point. He can't drive by anybody anymore, his defense is really starting to be exposed, and he turns it over at a ridiculous rate.

Manu will always be my second favorite Spur, and it'll be sad to see him go.. But, Father time is undefeated. It's time, imo.

[ElNono]

Just had a rough year. Unable to hit 2 consecutive FTs. Hasn't been able to hit a 3 consistently to save his life, poor decision making without making it up....

Father time is undefeated (as evidenced by Pork's play), no shame in that......

It would suck, tbh... this team largely has gone as far as Tim and Manu carried it... hopefully both of them have some good games left in them... Believe, etc

[siraulo23]

his decision making was just off in game 4, a lot of it had to do with more aggressive clipper defense

[HI-FI]

It would suck, tbh... this team largely has gone as far as Tim and Manu carried it... hopefully both of them have some good games left in them... Believe, etc
I think they do. Spurs still have life despite a certain black hole.

[Malik Hairston]

Some of his decisions today were mind-boggling, tbh..that 1-man fastbreak where he ran into Redick and turned it over, and that pass at the top where he threw it directly into Barnes' hands were just strange:lol..

[UZER]

Some of his decisions today were mind-boggling, tbh..that 1-man fastbreak where he ran into Redick and turned it over, and that pass at the top where he threw it directly into Barnes' hands were just strange:lol..

he doesn't know how to get out of his own way. He's won't settle down and say, ok calm down and just play within the game. Noooo he has to keep launching passes to the other team, then run back and commit a stupid foul trying to make up for it.

It's on pop to sit him when he's playing bad.

[Mugen]

Meh, your reflexes just aren't as great when you get older. Your decision making is a little poorer, prone to dumber mistakes....

I mean take Pop for example tbh....

[therealtruth]

The problem with Ginobili is when he's not doing enough other things to make up for turnovers.

[mexicanjunior]

He is done...I look forward to his retirement speech.

[ElNono]

anybody heard if he's injured or something? haven't heard anything, tbh

[Mugen]

:lol at least I got faggyjunior to come out of the shadows. now just waiting for vaginder to add his 2cents.....

[kaji157]

To say the truth it doesn´t help manu´s game at all when he doesn´t have a big that he can assist and finish.
Spliter can´t do it, he barely plays pick n roll with Duncan, and Diaw can´t do it either.
This guy was scoring around 15 points a game when half our squad was injuried, so he has the ability to do it, but to do so he has to be more involved in finishing and not creating and right now the Spurs have no creators other than him.
Yes, Parker and Mills don´t create crap, the System does, but the only payer that can put someone on scoring position out of a disadvantage situation is him some times Diaw.

[r0drig0lac]

sad sad

[DMC]

I never understood where the disconnect lies with fans. Players won't walk away from millions while they have a family and only have to play a few minutes a night, as long as the team will continue to pay them. They don't spend their lives concerned about the competition aspect of their careers.

[timtonymanu]

:lol at least I got faggyjunior to come out of the shadows. now just waiting for vaginder to add his 2cents.....

A rascuck appearance is due if the Spurs lose this series. :lol

[weebo]

Manu played poorly today. At this point, if he can't run the offense going early most of his minutes should go to Green and Belinelli.

[hater]

Asshole sucks dick

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[Russ]

Manu can still contribute, but he needs to dial it back some.

The cross-court passes in the backcourt need to be forever retired.

[emanueldavidginobili]

What I hate is when he picks up his dribble every single time durning P&R he needs to keep his dribble alive

[DarrinS]

He had a pretty terrible game.

[UZER]

Manu can still contribute, but he needs to dial it back some.

The cross-court passes in the backcourt need to be forever retired.

But that's the problem. It will never be retired until he does. He CANNOT help himself.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Does Manu ever shoot anymore?

[Mikeanaro]

Manu will always be a legend for his Championship Run last year. That's how I'm going to choose to remember him....

Not getting outplayed by Austin Fucking Rivers tbh :lol
He was outplayed by Glenn Davis acording too you.

[ElNono]

Does Manu ever shoot anymore?

??? he was in double figures today

[Mikeanaro]

At least he never had a 1 point game, thats for shortbus players, specially at 32, Manu is an old saur.

[Mugen]

He was outplayed by Glenn Davis acording too you.

:lol how do you figure that?

[100%duncan]

anybody heard if he's injured or something? haven't heard anything, tbh

Gino doesn't like excuses.

[hater]

Gino doesn't like excuses.

Game 6 was because of too much beef in my diet - ginobili 2013

[apalisoc_9]

anybody heard if he's injured or something? haven't heard anything, tbh

:lmao

[100%duncan]

Game 6 was because of too much beef in my diet - ginobili 2013

My hamstring/achiless/asscheek is hurt. - guess who, everytime he shits the bed

[hater]

My hamstring/achiless/asscheek is hurt. - guess who, everytime he shits the bed

I played MAs o memos. - Manu after his 8 TOs in game 6,

[Mikeanaro]

:lol how do you figure that?
Because Manu and Glenn both use diapers, and Tony is 2 days from start using them 2.
:lmao
By the way, Tiago and Green sucks ass.

[wildchild]

anybody heard if he's injured or something? haven't heard anything, tbh

:toast

Love EN's subtle.

[BackHome]

Manu sucked but he is what 37 years old how about Green he can't even get on the court cause he can not dribble the ball. NBA and you can't play cause you can't keep your dribble alive........

[Spurs9]

anybody heard if he's injured or something? haven't heard anything, tbh
He's just playing like himself tbh

[Diego20]

Tim and Manu leaving will expose Pop and Parker tbh since the big 2 have been carrying them their whole career :lol

[tholdren]

its only a matter of time before bonner marco and splitter start...

[UZER]

its only a matter of time before bonner marco and splitter start...

:lol the fear in Bonners eyes when he got that pass late in the game at the 3 pt line. He couldn't get rid of it fast enough. Dude is garbage.

[tmtcsc]

Manu was arguably the best Spurs player for a 3 year stretch but what we are seeing now is a man who needs to hang it up. I hate to see the end come for him but he is 25% the player he used to be. As someone else said, he's making stupid fouls, misses free throws at an alarming rate, causes careless turnovers and just can't move anymore. It happens to the best. He always gives you everything he has but someone needs to save him from himself at this point.

He's good for an occasional great game but its too few nowadays. Let's hope he goes out on top as a Champion.

[DarrinS]

Manu was arguably the best Spurs player for a 3 year stretch but what we are seeing now is a man who needs to hang it up. I hate to see the end come for him but he is 25% the player he used to be. As someone else said, he's making stupid fouls, misses free throws at an alarming rate, causes careless turnovers and just can't move anymore. It happens to the best. He always gives you everything he has but someone needs to save him from himself at this point.

He's good for an occasional great game but its too few nowadays. Let's hope he goes out on top as a Champion.


I'm a huge Manu homer, but I think you may be right. :depressed

[UZER]

I'm a huge Manu homer, but I think you may be right. :depressed

you think?

I said before, he has about 4 bad games for every decent one nowadays. Is it worth the trade off at this point, especially in the playoffs?

[DarrinS]

you think?

I said before, he has about 4 bad games for every decent one nowadays. Is it worth the trade off at this point, especially in the playoffs?

It's pretty bad when I wouldn't mind Beli getting his minutes.

[ElNono]

He doesn't have that big of a role anymore anyways. He played, what, 20 mins today? IMO, things have been magnified because Tony has been brutal, tbh, and they're basically the only two ball handlers we have.

Plus Gino really stepped up his game last season when Tony was poor or missing. Peeps might say they don't have a lot of expectations about Gino, but it's not really true. He's one guy that always showed up when needed.

It's also just as true that it hasn't really happened for him this series so far. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.

[tmtcsc]

I'm a huge Manu homer, but I think you may be right. :depressed

Yep, not happy about it either.

[ElNono]

It's pretty bad when I wouldn't mind Beli getting his minutes.

Beli has actually been good this series. I wouldn't mind him getting some of Gino's minutes, tbh... especially if Pop does want to have a quick hook with him.

[ElNono]

tbh, I have 7-8 excuses for Gino I haven't even used yet. Hopefully we'll get to the 2nd round or he comes back next season...

[UZER]

Beli is not as bad a defender one on one as people make him out to be. He plays balls out on it. It's his help defense and rotations that he's always out of position.

[cd98]

Beli has actually been good this series. I wouldn't mind him getting some of Gino's minutes, tbh... especially if Pop does want to have a quick hook with him.

Beli could have taken Manu's spot but his D was horrendous. Manu is up and down, but he played great D on JJ. Beli was losing JJ on all the screens. D requires Spurs to play Manu and Green with most of the minutes unless Beli is on fire.

[TD 21]

I don't know why he's gotten a free pass all season, along with Splitter, while Parker has been ripped to shreds, Diaw, Mills and Belinelli have taken heat and Duncan and Green, two of the only three of the eight that truly matter, that have had good seasons, are inexplicably nit picked.

Ginobili looks mentally spent. He's had his share of insane plays and bouts of inconsistency, but never a stretch this long that wasn't due to injury. I see a guy who's had enough and wants to retire, unlike Duncan. I always thought they'd retire together, but it's starting to look like that might not be the case.

[DarrinS]

I don't know why he's gotten a free pass all season, along with Splitter, while Parker has been ripped to shreds, Diaw, Mills and Belinelli have taken heat and Duncan and Green, two of the only three of the eight that truly matter that have had good seasons, are inexplicably nit picked.

Ginobili looks mentally spent. He's had his share of insane plays and bouts of inconsistency, but never a stretch this long that wasn't due to injury. I see a guy who's had enough and wants to retire. I always thought Duncan and him would retire together, but it's starting to look like that might not be the case.

TP deserved the criticism -- maybe not the relentless trolling, lol.

[tmtcsc]

Mills and Diaw were pretty awful on D today.

[ElNono]

I don't know why he's gotten a free pass all season, along with Splitter, while Parker has been ripped to shreds, Diaw, Mills and Belinelli have taken heat and Duncan and Green, two of the only three of the eight that truly matter, that have had good seasons, are inexplicably nit picked.

Ginobili looks mentally spent. He's had his share of insane plays and bouts of inconsistency, but never a stretch this long that wasn't due to injury. I see a guy who's had enough and wants to retire, unlike Duncan. I always thought they'd retire together, but it's starting to look like that might not be the case.

Because he had a brilliant season last year, and so it makes sense the Spurs will roll with him, even though it's it's undeniable that at 37, for a guard, it's very, very difficult.

The thing with Tony, IMO, it's the outlook on that extension, and the fact that he's our starting PG. Gino comes off the books at the end of this season, and they might mutually agree to another year or not, but we're talking about a calculated amount of potential damage. I love Tony, but you legitimately have to ask if is he'll ever be that guy again? Also, agree with Darrin, tbh, the trolling was outta control.

[TD 21]

TP deserved the criticism -- maybe not the relentless trolling, lol.

He does, but it's gone overboard. He played like shit too, but at least I can't question his effort/focus in this game, unlike Ginobili and Splitter . . . yet all I see on the board is constant Parker threads and very little about the other two. The former checked out about four months ago, the latter has had a whole month this season where he's shown up.

ElNono, my problem with him isn't age related decline, it's a lack of effort/focus, coupled with the free pass he gets for it.

[perfectdark]

hack a jordan just ruining his offensive rythm making him more reckless on both end of the pitch
Tony was still worse today overall...at least gino can turn it off and on. TP's confidence looks severly bruised

just abort hack a jordan immediatly, it is more detrimental to our team than anyone else.

[The Whopper]

I love Manu. He's one of the several greatest Spurs ever. He is a great player and I'll celebrate when his jersey is retired and he is memorialized in Spingfield. But it is over. Can't handle, can't shoot, can't defend, can't win with him anymore.

[The Whopper]

That Pop went without Manu and Parker in the fourth told me enough.

Who is our best guard anymore. Chris Paul doesn't know either.

[ElNono]

ElNono, my problem with him isn't age related decline, it's a lack of effort/focus, coupled with the free pass he gets for it.

You probably disagree, but I thought he's been playing hard. He was one of the hardest playing guys for us in December when everybody and their mother went down. Did that take a toll? I don't know.

He's definitely not at the level he was last season, but let's not pretend the rest of the bench was also playing at the same level either.

Pop wasn't even sure about Mills a mere two weeks ago, when last season he was dropping 19pt games left and right. Same for Beli, and up to an extent Bobo...

Is it physical fatigue, mental fatigue? Hard to know. We really didn't find our groove until very late in the season, and we've been icy hot ever since.

I won't compare this team with last seasons' team. That team simply had a phenomenal drive, but not just Gino, everybody. This team is generating good to great looks, but sometimes they look human, clanking a lot.

[TD 21]

You probably disagree, but I thought he's been playing hard. He was one of the hardest playing guys for us in December when everybody and their mother went down. Did that take a toll? I don't know.

He's definitely not at the level he was last season, but let's not pretend the rest of the bench was also playing at the same level either.

Pop wasn't even sure about Mills a mere two weeks ago, when last season he was dropping 19pt games left and right. Same for Beli, and up to an extent Bobo...

Is it physical fatigue, mental fatigue? Hard to know. We really didn't find our groove until very late in the season, and we've been icy hot ever since.

I won't compare this team with last seasons' team. That team simply had a phenomenal drive, but not just Gino, everybody. This team is generating good to great looks, but sometimes they look human, clanking a lot.

As I said, the whole "December took a toll" was fine in January, but he hasn't shown up since then. Meanwhile, Duncan, who plays far more minutes and didn't get a 4-5 game break at any point, has been solid throughout, for the most part.

[ElNono]

As I said, the whole "December took a toll" was fine in January, but he hasn't shown up since then. Meanwhile, Duncan, who plays far more minutes and didn't get a 4-5 game break at any point, has been solid throughout, for the most part.

Manu has produced average numbers so far in these games, tbh. He just isn't standing out, which as I said earlier, people claim they don't expect much from a 37 years old, but deep down they do (just like with Tim), especially when Tony is struggling, as we seen last playoffs. Although in the Dallas series, there were very specific factors for that happening, like the Manu and Tiago P&R being extremely effective against Dirk, who's no longer really mobile.

It's also entirely possible he just doesn't "have it" anymore, it pains me to say it, but I think Pop will give him at least the 20 mins per game and the benefit of the doubt. Tim is a beast, tbh, I wouldn't even suggest Manu could produce the way Tim produces at 39. But we need to understand that Tim is a freak of nature, just like Manu was a complete freak last playoffs at age 36...

[TMTTRIO]

It's just painful watching Manu end his career playing like this. I would've rather watch him go out not playing so poorly. Anyways I wish he would at least stick around for a asst. coaching position (even though I know he said he doesn't want to). I've noticed even this year he's been coaching the young guys during timeouts.

[ElNono]

Love to watch him play, watching our greats enabling Kawhi to grow, etc. Frankly, if he wants to come back I'd love to see another year of him with the team, playing his limited role. I know it's tricky with the cap situation for the Spurs, but we'll see.

[kaji157]

The problem with Ginobili is that he is on the same team as Tim Duncan, and people here thinks 37 year old guys still have 2 or 3 good years on them, but that´s only Tim.
At 37 years old most here expect a lot of him, i think it could have been posible if he could have cruised the regular season, but injuries prevented that from happening. Plus this is not the kind of team that Ginobili can be great against. Also refs don´t respect him anymore.

That said, i expect Pop to use hima lot more in LA next game and ask him and Tim to fill in the boxscore for whatever role player not scoring.

But as said, it´s not Ginobili´s fault if he can´t be a game changer at 37, more than the team fault just for expecting too much out of older guys and giving younger guys a pass for sucking on consecutive outings. (Tiago, Danny for example, Tony not so much cause he is injured)

[DAF86]

Call me a homer but outside a couple of turnovers I think Manu played ok (considering what you can expect from him at this stage of his career, tbh.)

[AusEM]

Love to watch him play, watching our greats enabling Kawhi to grow, etc. Frankly, if he wants to come back I'd love to see another year of him with the team, playing his limited role. I know it's tricky with the cap situation for the Spurs, but we'll see.

Do you really love to watch him play as he is playing this year? Would you like him to come back next year and become Finley II?
Manu cannot slow down his mind. If he enters the game when we are in front (or even) then he is usually ok, managing the game. But if he enters with the Spurs being down he will try to make 10 point plays every single time down the court. When we need a score and he has the ball you can tell that his mind still sees the drive/pass, but his body just can't deliver.
This would normally be ok, I do not mind a player not being an offensive force, but the problem here is that if Manu is in
there when we need a score chances are high that the ball will be in his hands.
Perhaps Manu's retirement would force Pop to change the system. It is very hard to move away from what
has worked for so many years when the options are still there (in theory at least).

[gilmor2002]

Call me a homer but outside a couple of turnovers I think Manu played ok (considering what you can expect from him at this stage of his career, tbh.)

He has the lowest +/- of the whole team..

unless +/- is no longer a yardstick to grade any player in this forum..

[Mikeanaro]

Call me a homer but outside a couple of turnovers I think Manu played ok (considering what you can expect from him at this stage of his career, tbh.)
He was but we needed more since Tiago an Danny were 0/11 or something like that.

[Silver&Black]

Beautiful pass vs. Dumbass pass ratios:

Prime Ginobili: 3:1
Ginobili now: 1:5

[Skull-1]

he doesn't know how to get out of his own way. He's won't settle down and say, ok calm down and just play within the game. Noooo he has to keep launching passes to the other team, then run back and commit a stupid foul trying to make up for it.

It's on pop to sit him when he's playing bad.


Pop has a short leash on everyone but TP and Turnobili....and it is killing us, just like against Miami in the first Finals against them. Dude was staggering around like a drunk making horrid passes yet Pop never pulled him, not even for a minute to get the fugr's head on straight.

No excuse for it. Manu just gets out of control. He is unwilling or unable to adjust his impulsiveness and it has brought him to this point: retirement and a tad of humiliation.

[Skull-1]

Gino doesn't like excuses.


Bullsh-t. Dude makes excuses all the damned time, we just have to wait a few months for him to revise history, usually...like after the Finals loss to Miami. Dude was an excuse machine.

[Skull-1]

I played MAs o memos. - Manu after his 8 TOs in game 6,


So so.

[ElNono]

Do you really love to watch him play as he is playing this year? Would you like him to come back next year and become Finley II?
Manu cannot slow down his mind. If he enters the game when we are in front (or even) then he is usually ok, managing the game. But if he enters with the Spurs being down he will try to make 10 point plays every single time down the court. When we need a score and he has the ball you can tell that his mind still sees the drive/pass, but his body just can't deliver.
This would normally be ok, I do not mind a player not being an offensive force, but the problem here is that if Manu is in
there when we need a score chances are high that the ball will be in his hands.
Perhaps Manu's retirement would force Pop to change the system. It is very hard to move away from what
has worked for so many years when the options are still there (in theory at least).

I thought we got great looks throughout this series, just couldn't knock the shots down. Manu and Tony's job is to get all those guys that can't create shit for themselves an open look, and I thought for the most part they did that.
Now if Bonner/Bobo/Green/Patty are clanking everything, then it will also look bad on the playmakers, who don't get the assist, etc.

Now it certainly looks like Manu had more in the tank to elevate his game last playoffs than this one, but I don't think he's playing badly. We as a team are not playing the way we need to play to beat these guys.

[hitmanyr2k]

All this dumping on Ginobili makes me laugh.

In limited minutes Ginobili is still averaging 8, 5, and 5. Not shooting well and turns the ball over twice a game but is still playmaking and rebounding and hustling. Meanwhile your starting point guard playing 8 more minutes a game averages only 1 point more, shoots worse, hits under 60% of his free throws, averages about half the assists Ginobili does and has been burnt to a crisp on defense :lol

[ElNono]

All this dumping on Ginobili makes me laugh.

In limited minutes Ginobili is still averaging 8, 5, and 5. Not shooting well and turns the ball over twice a game but is still playmaking and rebounding and hustling. Meanwhile your starting point guard playing 8 more minutes a game averages only 1 point more, shoots worse, hits under 60% of his free throws, averages about half the assists Ginobili does and has been burnt to a crisp on defense :lol

:lol don't forget Manu is also 5 years older... people see what they wanna see, tbh... I just think peeps want Gino to bail Tony out, and it's difficult at this stage...

[hitmanyr2k]

:lol don't forget Manu is also 5 years older... people see what they wanna see, tbh... I just think peeps want Gino to bail Tony out, and it's difficult at this stage...

It's ridiculous really. Parker has reached Norris Cole levels and people want to bag on Ginobili because he's old and can't work miracles anymore lol. He's at the very least giving a great effort on both ends and unlike his point guard he actually tries to get others involved in the offense.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Probably my favorite player of all time. But enjoy retirement homie :toast

I'm kind of at the same point. I love Manu. But when it's time, it's time. He can't really do much. Is his salary 7 million? That's just way too much for what he can give on the court at this point.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

It's ridiculous really. Parker has reached Norris Cole levels and people want to bag on Ginobili because he's old and can't work miracles anymore lol. He's at the very least giving a great effort on both ends and unlike his point guard he actually tries to get others involved in the offense.

I don't disagree. Parker deserves a lot of criticism. Manu competes fiercely, but when its time it's time. I love Manu, but he is 38 years old.

[AusEM]

I thought we got great looks throughout this series, just couldn't knock the shots down. Manu and Tony's job is to get all those guys that can't create shit for themselves an open look, and I thought for the most part they did that.
Now if Bonner/Bobo/Green/Patty are clanking everything, then it will also look bad on the playmakers, who don't get the assist, etc.

Now it certainly looks like Manu had more in the tank to elevate his game last playoffs than this one, but I don't think he's playing badly. We as a team are not playing the way we need to play to beat these guys.

I am not saying he is playing badly, especially for a 37 years old sg. But since I've seen all of Manu's career with the
Spurs I can't avoid feeling sad when I see how much game he has lost. I do not love watching him try and fail.
I do agree with his current role being creating for others, but to me the best thing he did in that role was pick and roll
with our "new" bigs (Blair, Tiago, Baynes, even Ayres). Now it looks like he can no longer finish at the rim, making
his pick and rolls much easier to defend.
His passing, as good as it is, also depends a lot on other players being where they are supposed to be. We've seen
him get mad at teammates earlier this year when they were a bit more relaxed in executing the sets, which caused
some of his turnovers.
If I thought we were no longer competing for a championship I would enjoy watching Manu more. But right now it feels
like he is hurting our chances by trying to do too much on offense. It was ok for him to play outside our system when
he was younger and healthier, but right now he should not do it so often. Can the scorpion change its nature?

[ElNono]

I am not saying he is playing badly, especially for a 37 years old sg. But since I've seen all of Manu's career with the
Spurs I can't avoid feeling sad when I see how much game he has lost. I do not love watching him try and fail.
I do agree with his current role being creating for others, but to me the best thing he did in that role was pick and roll
with our "new" bigs (Blair, Tiago, Baynes, even Ayres). Now it looks like he can no longer finish at the rim, making
his pick and rolls much easier to defend.
His passing, as good as it is, also depends a lot on other players being where they are supposed to be. We've seen
him get mad at teammates earlier this year when they were a bit more relaxed in executing the sets, which caused
some of his turnovers.
If I thought we were no longer competing for a championship I would enjoy watching Manu more. But right now it feels
like he is hurting our chances by trying to do too much on offense. It was ok for him to play outside our system when
he was younger and healthier, but right now he should not do it so often. Can the scorpion change its nature?

If you expect him to be the old Manu, then yeah, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. With our roster construction though, he's a big reason why this team still contends. Our second unit wouldn't be worth a damn if you don't have a steady ball handler like him, and frankly, at 37 he's still a better defender than Mills, Beli, etc. You can definitely see father time showing up here or there, but the reality this season is that it would be much less pronounced if the players that are supposed to carry a bigger load (because of age, rest, and experience) would actually do that. If Manu has 5+ assists, a few rebounds in his limited mins, then he did his job. That's what his role is nowadays.