Boston Willing To Trade 1st Round Pick With Wallace

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Boston really doesn't want to pay Wallace the 10m he's owed in his final year.

Wallace doesn't have much left, and never had much to begin with. Taking him on for 10m would be pretty awful, but that draft pick is intriguing, considering what the Spurs front office could do with it.

If it's par the course, no effective free agents will come to SA. If that were to happen, is this one avenue the Spurs could explore?

Not sure how I'd feel about it, but just seeing what you guys think.

[BatManu20]

The Spurs aren't trading for Gerald Wallace :lol

[Malik Hairston]

If any GM in the NBA is willing to take Parker, you listen, tbh..

[ThaBigFundamental21]

The Spurs aren't trading for Gerald Wallace :lol

It won't happen. But if the front office wanted to dump Parker...

[ThaBigFundamental21]

If any GM in the NBA is willing to take Parker, you listen, tbh..

Yep. 14 million...

[BatManu20]

If any GM in the NBA is willing to take Parker, you listen, tbh..

True, but no GM will listen.. Parker is likely going to retire a Spur.. (ugh)

[BatManu20]

The only way I don't see Tony retiring a Spur is if we trade him in his last year as an expiring contract. He didn't get a No-Trade clause in his extension (surprisingly), so that's a possibility.

[Malik Hairston]

True, but no GM will listen.. Parker is likely going to retire a Spur.. (ugh)

Indiana could work IMO..they desperately need a PG, and Hibbert's contract is arguably even worse than Parker's, although I haven't checked the length..

Bird isn't really a good GM, either:lol..

[BatManu20]

Indiana could work IMO..they desperately need a PG, and Hibbert's contract is arguably even worse than Parker's, although I haven't checked the length..

Bird isn't really a good GM, either:lol..

Hibbert will be an UFA after next season, so I'd jump all over that if it were offered. He has a $15.5 Million player option for net season that he'll obviously pick up. Highly unlikely a trade of him for Tony would happen though, tbh. Tony's likely a Spur for 3 more years.

[cd98]

If any GM in the NBA is willing to take Parker, you listen, tbh..

Despite his play, I'm sure there are actually many GMs that would gladly take him and his salary. The question is what do they have to give up to get him.

[BatManu20]

If only Parker's extension was only for two years instead of three... that contract will be almost impossible to trade before the 3rd year. I also don't know if the PATFO would trade him anyways, unless it was a deal they couldn't refuse. I think they're loyal to Tony to a fault.

[Malik Hairston]

Hibbert will be an UFA after next season, so I'd jump all over that if it were offered. He has a $15.5 Million player option for net season that he'll obviously pick up. Highly unlikely a trade of him for Tony would happen though, tbh. Tony's likely a Spur for 3 more years.

Didn't know his contract was ending, didn't look it up, as I said..

And ya, I doubt the Spurs ever trade Parker, despite his decline, realistically..

[Malik Hairston]

Despite his play, I'm sure there are actually many GMs that would gladly take him and his salary. The question is what do they have to give up to get him.

I'm sure there are, considering there are GMs that will probably give Rondo a contract this off-season:lol..

[ElNono]

Tony isn't going anywhere, tbh... that's why you have to hope he turns back the clock or adjusts his game somehow...

[DPG21920]

OP, the going rate for 1st round picks is about 3M. Why would you essentially pay 3x the cost for one while ruining your shot at a FA?

[Spurs9]

Have the Spurs dropped that much that we are making threads considering Wallace now? :lol

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

I thought perhaps that any thread that isn't a cliffjumpers manifesto, or a LeonardvParker wrestling match would be welcomed.

[AFBlue]

I thought perhaps that any thread that isn't a cliffjumpers manifesto, or a LeonardvParker wrestling match would be welcomed.

:lol

It is welcomed, but the proposition just isn't palatable. The Spurs are poised to have enough cap space to add a significant piece in free agency. They shouldn't give that up for Wallace, no matter who is available at the pick.

[Trill Clinton]

Hibbert will be an UFA after next season, so I'd jump all over that if it were offered. He has a $15.5 Million player option for net season that he'll obviously pick up. Highly unlikely a trade of him for Tony would happen though, tbh. Tony's likely a Spur for 3 more years.

http://i62.tinypic.com/snf91k.png hibbert is a 7'2 center with cinderblocks for feet and a horrible rebounder. larry bird doesn't even want him on the roster next year.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/17/sounds-like-pacers-president-larry-bird-head-coach-frank-vogel-dont-want-roy-hibbert-back-next-year/

[Silver&Black]

Tony isn't going anywhere, tbh... that's why you have to hope he turns back the clock or adjusts his game somehow...

Why are me and you the only ones who gets it El?????

Yeah....we know Parker sucks. He's been god-awful this year. But the guy isn't going anywhere. The sooner people realize it the better off they will be. I guess people will continue to celebrate his demise for the next 2 years....instead of wishing the guy "turns back the clock or adjusts his game."

He's not going to be traded, waived, or cut. Learn to live with it guys...

[Dverde]

No way on Wallace. I could see them trading for Hibbert before that.

[BatManu20]

http://i62.tinypic.com/snf91k.png hibbert is a 7'2 center with cinderblocks for feet and a horrible rebounder. larry bird doesn't even want him on the roster next year.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/17/sounds-like-pacers-president-larry-bird-head-coach-frank-vogel-dont-want-roy-hibbert-back-next-year (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/17/sounds-like-pacers-president-larry-bird-head-coach-frank-vogel-dont-want-roy-hibbert-back-next-year/)

Right, I know Hibbert's not a good basketball player and I normally wouldn't want him either. But, in this case, I'd trade him for Tony, simply because he's a FA after next season and we could just let him walk, and we'd get Tony's horrendous contract off the books. That'd free up $43 Million dollars in cap space over the next 3 years..

[ElNono]

Why are me and you the only ones who gets it El?????

Yeah....we know Parker sucks. He's been god-awful this year. But the guy isn't going anywhere. The sooner people realize it the better off they will be. I guess people will continue to celebrate his demise for the next 2 years....instead of wishing the guy "turns back the clock or adjusts his game."

He's not going to be traded, waived, or cut. Learn to live with it guys...

Because nobody likes to eat a shit sammich. Three more years of this would be pretty freaking brutal. Let's just hope he figures something out from here on out...

[Trill Clinton]

Right, I know Hibbert's not a good basketball player and I normally wouldn't want him either. But, in this case, I'd trade him for Tony, simply because he's a FA after next season and we could just let him walk, and we'd get Tony's horrendous contract off the books. That'd free up $43 Million dollars in cap space over the next 3 years..

oh okay

[Malik Hairston]

http://i62.tinypic.com/snf91k.png hibbert is a 7'2 center with cinderblocks for feet and a horrible rebounder. larry bird doesn't even want him on the roster next year.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/17/sounds-like-pacers-president-larry-bird-head-coach-frank-vogel-dont-want-roy-hibbert-back-next-year/

Hibbert is one of the shittiest and most overrated big men in the NBA, but Parker isn't any better, tbh..the difference is that Pop has no obligation or loyalty to Hibbert, he wouldn't think twice about benching him..

[Malik Hairston]

Why are me and you the only ones who gets it El?????

Yeah....we know Parker sucks. He's been god-awful this year. But the guy isn't going anywhere. The sooner people realize it the better off they will be. I guess people will continue to celebrate his demise for the next 2 years....instead of wishing the guy "turns back the clock or adjusts his game."

He's not going to be traded, waived, or cut. Learn to live with it guys...

:lol who the fuck is "celebrating" Parker's demise? The only reason people think the "shtick" was about celebrating Parker's decline is due to the number of threads that were created about him..the abundance of those threads was due to the denial of most of the forum that Parker hasn't been a star since 2013, and is now a terrible player..

Nobody is celebrating it, why would anybody want to see a player killing their favorite team?

[TheGoldStandard]

We will have to face the facts, Tony is here to stay and his decline will only get worse. He will probably work on his 3 point shooting this offseason and take a silly amount of them next season as he continues to slow down. We must hope that Patty learns to drive effectively to the rim, he has the speed and can be our true PG while we protect Parker and his ego and sit him for the 1st 5 months of the season to save him for the playoffs.

Celtics draft pick isn't that attractive to take on Wallace

[K...]

:lol who the fuck is "celebrating" Parker's demise? The only reason people think the "shtick" was about celebrating Parker's decline is due to the number of threads that were created about him..the abundance of those threads was due to the denial of most of the forum that Parker hasn't been a star since 2013, and is now a terrible player..

Nobody is celebrating it, why would anybody want to see a player killing their favorite team?

nice little forum fiction you you there..uh you and apo got the first, second, and third crack at setting the debate. If by "most of the forum" you meant tgy , hater, and people who preferred not being called faggot your statement is correct.

Good damn these millennial victim puss booted pansies

[Malik Hairston]

Ya, no:lol..I don't care about idiots like hater and his alt in2deep, or non-Spurs fans like JoeYacht..

There was no "celebrating" Parker's demise..a bunch of posters simply wanted Kawhi to become the main guy on the team, which was only going to occur if Parker relinquished his spot..nobody wants Parker to struggle, it clearly hurts the team, especially since he's not going to be benched..accusing people of celebrating his demise is silly..

[K...]

number of threads that were created about him..the abundance of those threads was due to the denial o

No, you started threads for your ego. That's why they're always lame jokes involved. Silly rabbit victim hood is for kids and girls.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

The notion was that if no free agents came to SA which is usually the case. Aldridge and Gasol stay put, Monroe goes to New York, etc. I know Wallace isn't even close to being the next best thing, just trying to discuss the pick, since we got Kawhi with 15. I'm not even sure when they pick though, tbh.

[Malik Hairston]

Nobody wanted Richard Jefferson to struggle, either, nor did we celebrate his struggles..we were upset that he was killing our team..this isn't any different, unfortunately..

[ohmwrecker]

Not buying it.

[DPG21920]

Nobody wanted Richard Jefferson to struggle, either, nor did we celebrate his struggles..we were upset that he was killing our team..this isn't any different, unfortunately..

Unlike RJ, when RJ was killing the Spurs he got a terrible extension. TP did not get an ext....oh my god what have the Spurs done?!










j/k - I love TP and he earned the contract. I think his injuries have been legit and that has played a role. Don't think it's possible to fall off that hard.

[cjw]

How is the 16th pick in the draft "intriguing" and worth throwing away cap space? Spurs couldn't do it anyway (I don't think) before the draft as they don't have the cap space PLUS even if they did that would mean them renouncing Duncan/Manu or resigning them to minimum deals. Not happening.

Let's move on. Now if it were the 15th pick, maybe we can grab Kawhi again!

[K...]

Frankly it all depends on how deep the crew is. Everyone knew apo and Harlem were close. The next step is for someone to take credit for dabom.


If it were just apo and Harlem this site would be ok.But intentional and repeated trolling plus emotionally stunted men and bits boys eager to follow their father replacement figure against a guy who obviously fucked more birches than the entire forum in aggregate.

The sexual frustration metaphor is way too obvious.

[Malik Hairston]

Unlike RJ, when RJ was killing the Spurs he got a terrible extension. TP did not get an ext....oh my god what have the Spurs done?!










j/k - I love TP and he earned the contract. I think his injuries have been legit and that has played a role. Don't think it's possible to fall off that hard.

I actually do believe that he's injured, all jokes, aside, but it was expected..he's a 6" tall, formerly skinny PG that spent a decade playing mostly inside the paint where his body took a ton of abuse..it's similar to what the Heat are experiencing with Wade, he's never going to be healthy again..

[ohmwrecker]

I love TP and he earned the contract. I think his injuries have been legit and that has played a role. Don't think it's possible to fall off that hard.

I agree with this... These fuckers should be ashamed of themselves for kicking TP when he is down. It's got to be killing him to not contribute to this team the way he wants.

[K...]

Dick? Redacted? We hated Jeff. Jeff wasn't a big three. Jeff never was good. Parker was both. What there wasn't was a anti dick conspiracy to harass people to take the maximallist hate position.


You're way off Harlem. Repeated fail in this thread

[Malik Hairston]

I agree with this... These fuckers should be ashamed of themselves for kicking TP when he is down. It's got to be killing him to not contribute to this team the way he wants.

:( poor TP, he's only making 13 mil this year, he must hate his life :(

[ohmwrecker]

:( poor TP, he's only making 13 mil this year, he must hate his life :(

This is why I don't believe you.

[SilverSpur]

Give them Ryan Richards and the rights to players we are most likely not going to sign, then cut or trade Wallace.
Then use the first round pick on a special player we can play right away.

[RD2191]

I agree with this... These fuckers should be ashamed of themselves for kicking TP when he is down. It's got to be killing him to not contribute to this team the way he wants.
TP is trash, he's 32. He isn't going to get better from here. And lmao @ blaming injuries for his shit play. Dude was playing like trash before his "injuries".

[K...]

Anyway, since the agenda crew ruined the thread.


If the spurs don't get LMA, if medical tests on splitter show he won't recover than tanks ahoy! Op should be a tank commander. Trade splitter, mills, and any other stale assets,, and take these bad contracts to gain an asset. Trade both first rounds for a future asset.this is how smart tanking works

[DPG21920]

Kicking him while he's down or not, TP has clearly hurt the Spurs - whether it's injury related (my best guess) or legit decline. Either way, the end result is the same and it's concerning. Hopefully he can find creative ways to contribute and/or Pop can make the proper call on playing him (which is so tough considering Manu's decline and Mills/Cory's shortcomings as players).

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

the best case scenario for all the Parker bashers, is that he'll come off the bench. He is retiring a Spur.

[therealtruth]

How about Javale McGee?

[ohmwrecker]

TP is trash, he's 32. He isn't going to get better from here. And lmao @ blaming injuries for his shit play. Dude was playing like trash before his "injuries".

So, he is intentionally not playing up to his abilities? Why? What's your theory on this, Rob?

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Wallace = 7 :lobt2:

[DPG21920]

But if OP is assuming that no major FA would come here, then yes, for a top 10 pick I would consider eating the 10M for that one year. But it's impossible to know that because of the timing of things - it's cart before the horse unfortunately. But if they were to offer a top 10 pick and there is someone you love on a Kawhi level, you would have to consider that.

Although, I haven't seen anyone that I can remember give up that much value to unload an expiring deal.

[exstatic]

I actually do believe that he's injured, all jokes, aside, but it was expected..he's a 6" tall, formerly skinny PG that spent a decade playing mostly inside the paint where his body took a ton of abuse..it's similar to what the Heat are experiencing with Wade, he's never going to be healthy again..

Nice straw-man, but here's my match: Parker's health issues are NOWHERE as severe as Wade's. DWhistle had cartilage removed in college, and has had a knee that is bone on bone for like 3-4 years. That will NEVER heal or get better. Parker's issues have all been soft tissue: hammys, achilles, and assorted bumps and bruises. If he would EVER stop playing for that fucking French NT and let himself heal and rest, he could be 90-95% of the 2013 TP9.

[DPG21920]

IIRC, TP looked really solid to begin the year before the hammy injury no?

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

So, he is intentionally not playing up to his abilities? Why? What's your theory on this, Rob?

He's obviously trying to get Pop to trade Kawhi.

[K...]

And for the third time. If the spurs want free agents they MUST treat their contracts with respect. If we could magically sit Parker and get the 2014 offense back I'll cut his legs off myself.

[RD2191]

So, he is intentionally not playing up to his abilities? Why? What's your theory on this, Rob?
Yeah, no. He just sucks. He sucked when he was healthy this season and he sucks now that he's "injured".

[ohmwrecker]

Kicking him while he's down or not, TP has clearly hurt the Spurs - whether it's injury related (my best guess) or legit decline. Either way, the end result is the same and it's concerning. Hopefully he can find creative ways to contribute and/or Pop can make the proper call on playing him (which is so tough considering Manu's decline and Mills/Cory's shortcomings as players).

Exactly. What can you do? It's been a bad year and and half for TP. Manu has been terrible lately. Mills (when he not hitting 3's) and Cojo (if he's not guarding a scrub) are barely adequate. I, personally, am rooting for Parker to have a renaissance like Duncan has... I don't understand why a Spurs fan wouldn't want that.

[DPG21920]

The notion was that if no free agents came to SA which is usually the case. Aldridge and Gasol stay put, Monroe goes to New York, etc. I know Wallace isn't even close to being the next best thing, just trying to discuss the pick, since we got Kawhi with 15. I'm not even sure when they pick though, tbh.

Boston has their own pick & Clippers pick this year. However, they have a ton of picks in 2016+ that they can package.

[ohmwrecker]

IIRC, TP looked really solid to begin the year before the hammy injury no?

i thought so, but Roberto says no.

[DPG21920]

Exactly. What can you do? It's been a bad year and and half for TP. Manu has been terrible lately. Mills (when he not hitting 3's) and Cojo (if he's not guarding a scrub) are barely adequate. I, personally, am rooting for Parker to have a renaissance like Duncan has... I don't understand why a Spurs fan wouldn't want that.

I think they do want that, but they are so upset with his current level of play (their analysis of how bad he's been is correct, kicking him while he's down is not) that it doesn't seem that way. I believe everyone wants him to be better, but he's been so bad this playoffs/year that it seems unlikely.

[RD2191]

Parker had some decent games but the problem is that he literally doesn't make anyone on the court better. There are stats to back that up.

[DPG21920]

Parker had some decent games but the problem is that he literally doesn't make anyone on the court better. There are stats to back that up.

That's post-injury. The fact pre-injury that he played really well & that even post-injury the starting lineup was still wildly effective bodes well.

[RD2191]

That's post-injury. The fact pre-injury that he played really well & that even post-injury the starting lineup was still wildly effective bodes well.
Sure, the starting lineup played well but not because of Parker.

[ohmwrecker]

Well, I realize that there is a fair amount of trolling of "homers" happening here and I do have a history of defending Spurs even when they are shitty, but I feel bad for TP... as much as I feel can feel bad for a millionaire on my favorite sports team. Keeping things in context for Harlem and whatnot.

[DPG21920]

Sure, the starting lineup played well but not because of Parker.

It's not about it being because of TP. It's about the fact that in no way did Parker tank the SL. He has in the playoffs, but Danny & Tiago have both been bad too so hard to pin on just TP.

If TP can get healthy, there is reason to believe he will be ok.

[TheGoldStandard]

Exactly. What can you do? It's been a bad year and and half for TP. Manu has been terrible lately. Mills (when he not hitting 3's) and Cojo (if he's not guarding a scrub) are barely adequate. I, personally, am rooting for Parker to have a renaissance like Duncan has... I don't understand why a Spurs fan wouldn't want that.
Nobody wants Parker to fail but he's at an age where he should have developed other skills to compensate for his drop off athletically. He doesn't have a strong outside presence which allows defenders to play with a cushion. He hides behind screens because he can't beat guards off dribble that much anymore. He always looks to score first over passing. Parker has to come to terms that he is not the go to right now, the team identity has changed to sharing the ball while Leonard develops his offensive skills.

[RD2191]

Sure, we all feel bad about it. It's sad in a way but why would he play better next season? He's only getting older. He still isn't changing his game. Sure, he may say this is Kawhis team but at the end of they day he's taking as many shots as Kawhi per game. (usually)

[ohmwrecker]

Everybody was saying the same shit about Duncan a few years ago... just not quite as mean spirited.

[Silver&Black]

:lol who the fuck is "celebrating" Parker's demise? The only reason people think the "shtick" was about celebrating Parker's decline is due to the number of threads that were created about him..the abundance of those threads was due to the denial of most of the forum that Parker hasn't been a star since 2013, and is now a terrible player..

Nobody is celebrating it, why would anybody want to see a player killing their favorite team?

Certainly seems like (from a non-player fan perspective) a few people are "celebrating" his demise....I very well may be wrong or misinformed. I'm just calling it like I see it. It's got to the point now where people who say ONE nice thing about Parker...are automatically considered to be "Kawhi haters". This shit is just getting laughable...

Yes, Harlem.....we all know TP is not or "hasn't been a star since 2013, and is now a terrible player.." We all know. We all watch the games. The only people who argue this fact are Pro Parker ":lol Player Fans". Which there are about 5 of them tbh...

So....why don't you and your minions create another 10,000 threads to tell us all about how much Parker blows. You might actually convince 2 people who didn't already know this.

Tony Parker fucking sucks.....you've won Harlem. You and the Krew are victorious. Now take the W and act like you've been there before. Let's just knock off the 5 anti-parker threads a day. How about 1 a day? Is that not a fair compromise?

[Seventyniner]

Everybody was saying the same shit about Duncan a few years ago... just not quite as mean spirited.

Yeah, this is the Parker/Manu stuff back with a vengeance. I can't argue with people who say that Parker is awful right now, because he is. But to be so bitter about it, you'd think he slept with their wives/gfs too.

[RD2191]

Duncan is a GOAT player. Duncan can adapt. Duncan can evolve. Parker has always played the same.

[K...]

Weird I don't feel bad about Parker. I don't hate him either. I'm a dying human being. We all are. That's something to feel bad about. Fuck worrying about a game played by rich athletic dudes.

[Seventyniner]

About the actual topic, the rumor I read only says that Boston would be willing to part with one of the firsts that they have stockpiled, not necessarily their own pick this year, which isn't even in the lottery.

[K...]

What's weird, Parker showed his range before the injury. He dud adapt. But then he got more injuries. So robs premise is wrong. Par.

[ohmwrecker]

Duncan is a GOAT player. Duncan can adapt. Duncan can evolve. Parker has always played the same.

I'm not putting TP on Duncan's level and they are different players with different skill sets, but everyone was saying Duncan was done a few years ago.

[TheGoldStandard]

Sure, we all feel bad about it. It's sad in a way but why would he play better next season? He's only getting older. He still isn't changing his game. Sure, he may say this is Kawhis team but at the end of they day he's taking as many shots as Kawhi per game. (usually)
The "elite" level point guards at some point came to a realization that they were not the big ticket and decided to help make there team better. They became facilitators who could read the floor and get the ball to open shooters and take the ball and make something happen when they have to. Parker is still in that score first mode with declining skills that made him good.

[ohmwrecker]

Weird I don't feel bad about Parker. I don't hate him either. I'm a dying human being. We all are. That's something to feel bad about. Fuck worrying about a game played by rich athletic dudes.

Come back around. Complete the circle.

[AFBlue]

Everybody was saying the same shit about Duncan a few years ago... just not quite as mean spirited.

And Manu after 6, but he had a solid bounce-back year. I still think Tony has some gas left in the tank, but he needs to spend the offseason transforming his game to accommodate his declining athleticism. And the Spurs need to spend the offseason building more of the offense around Kawhi. His usage needs to exponentially increase next year.

[K...]

Yeah, this is the Parker/Manu stuff back with a vengeance. I can't argue with people who say that Parker is awful right now, because he is. But to be so bitter about it, you'd think he slept with their wives/gfs too.

They either don't have any, or have issues. This is a therapy substitute for many guys.

[K...]

The "elite" level point guards at some point came to a realization that they were not the big ticket and decided to help make there team better. They became facilitators who could read the floor and get the ball to open shooters and take the ball and make something happen when they have to. Parker is still in that score first mode with declining skills that made him good.

? Curry, Irving,

[K...]

This site has really been shit for the last 24 hours. I know it was a bad loss, but fuck this, it's basketball not war or anything. What do you basketball martyrs do in the off season anyway?

[ohmwrecker]

Parker is still in that score first mode with declining skills that made him good.

That's absurd. It's obvious that TP has been working on his outside shot and finding his teammates more. I think the injuries derailed his progress and he has shown a tendency to default to areas where he knows he has been successful, but that seems like a normal thing for an injured athlete to do.

[Seventyniner]

The "elite" level point guards at some point came to a realization that they were not the big ticket and decided to help make there team better. They became facilitators who could read the floor and get the ball to open shooters and take the ball and make something happen when they have to. Parker is still in that score first mode with declining skills that made him good.

Parker's sudden and precipitous decline has obviously taken Pop off guard. Pop's system is designed for Parker to be a top-2 scoring option and to make most of the decisions with the ball. The Spurs really can't afford to completely change the system at this point in the season. Parker played well enough on offense during those last 30 games that Pop had every reason to believe that Parker would continue to be effective on that end.

[ohmwrecker]

This site has really been shit for the last 24 hours. I know it was a bad loss, but fuck this, it's basketball not war or anything. What do you basketball martyrs do in the off season anyway?

I said make a circle, not climb a ladder.

[TheGoldStandard]

? Curry, Irving,
Bad comparison. They're still elite and are either driving the team. Both have great players around them too but curry and Irving are going to have multiple assists in a game with at least 20 points a game.

[DPG21920]

The point is, TP has been very effective, even this year up until the hamstring. Why would he need to adjust to account for an unexpected injury? He did add his 3PT shot to the game, so it's not like he's not adjusting at all. You typically need to adjust when you reasonably can't expect to do the same things effectively. This year, before injury, he was still doing those things.

You can't just adapt on the fly, especially when injured.

[ElNono]

This site has really been shit for the last 24 hours. I know it was a bad loss, but fuck this, it's basketball not war or anything. What do you basketball martyrs do in the off season anyway?

There's always the Log Out button on the top right, tbh...

[RD2191]

"Injured":lol

[RD2191]

The point is, TP has been very effective, even this year up until the hamstring. Why would he need to adjust to account for an unexpected injury? He did add his 3PT shot to the game, so it's not like he's not adjusting at all. You typically need to adjust when you reasonably can't expect to do the same things effectively. This year, before injury, he was still doing those things.

You can't just adapt on the fly, especially when injured.
Where are you getting this from? There are stats to back up that he's pretty much sucked all season.

[DPG21920]

Where are you getting this from? There are stats to back up that he's pretty much sucked all season.

Not really. His off rating for the first 16-20 games was more than respectable. Then the injury hit. Then he really struggled, but closed out the year pretty strong (yes, the competition was bad). This playoffs has been a whole other level of bad, but he had spurts when he looked healthier (beginning/end) and the results looked better offensively.

He was pretty poor on defense this year all the way through though.

[lmbebo]

*Maybe* if it was a lotto pick. But for a mid 1st round pick? Forget about it. Not worth it.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm fine with giving them our Gerald Wallace for their Gerald Wallace... Sign and trade?

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

:lol good lord.

[cd021]

Indiana could work IMO..they desperately need a PG, and Hibbert's contract is arguably even worse than Parker's, although I haven't checked the length..

Bird isn't really a good GM, either:lol..

Hibberts has an ETO this off season . They publicly said that they will play him less so they can go small. His contract isn't/wasn't awful compared to the likes of Sanders or McGee. He still has an elite skill in rim protection and on certain nights can look like an all-star

I've though about a Parker for Hill+Mihammi deal before. Hill has played well this season and Ian is a good backup. They probably aren't doing the deal, with the Spurs at least.

[ElNono]

Not really. His off rating for the first 16-20 games was more than respectable. Then the injury hit. Then he really struggled, but closed out the year pretty strong (yes, the competition was bad). This playoffs has been a whole other level of bad, but he had spurts when he looked healthier (beginning/end) and the results looked better offensively.

He was pretty poor on defense this year all the way through though.

The thing is, we're in year 2 of this injury bug. The Spurs tried to give him time off, he took time off in the summer, and here we are. So, I think it's fair to wonder if this is going to be an ongoing issue, and that opens a bunch of other questions: do the Spurs need a better plan B at that position? Do you forfeit going after a max contract to get insurance there? etc...

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I vote no, unless Cory Joseph can be traded and Kaminsky ends up falling that late. I think the Spurs should use the cap space to make big offers to restricted players like Draymond Green or Reggie Jackson.

[DPG21920]

The thing is, we're in year 2 of this injury bug. The Spurs tried to give him time off, he took time off in the summer, and here we are. So, I think it's fair to wonder if this is going to be an ongoing issue, and that opens a bunch of other questions: do the Spurs need a better plan B at that position? Do you forfeit going after a max contract to get insurance there? etc...

It's a fair question for sure.

[TheGoldStandard]

The thing is, we're in year 2 of this injury bug. The Spurs tried to give him time off, he took time off in the summer, and here we are. So, I think it's fair to wonder if this is going to be an ongoing issue, and that opens a bunch of other questions: do the Spurs need a better plan B at that position? Do you forfeit going after a max contract to get insurance there? etc...

That extension is going to come back to haunt them unless they sit him for the first 4 months of the season and then really limit his minutes and that is sad for the amount of money they are paying him. For the type of player he is the potential for hamstring, Achilles, sprains etc are going to be common and we know he just can't recover like he used to. Unless he drastically changes his playing style he's going to be useless when we need him and will be injury prone at the wrong time of the year.

[BatManu20]

Tony is a very old 32 years old (33 in less than a month).. He was drafted when he was 19 and began playing right away. He's made deep playoff runs in most of his years in the NBA. He's got a ton of mileage on his legs. He's a PG who relies on his speed and quickness to get into the lane. His old legs aren't allowing him to do that anymore, at least not consistently. It's obvious he's lost a step, even when healthy. He's starting to become injury prone. This is two straight years he's been dealing with multiple injuries and had to take some time off. These things happen with age. Father time is undefeated.

It's not really his fault. Usually when this happens to players, they refuse to admit it and try to push the envelope to "prove it." But, I think in this case, Tony thinks we can't win unless he leads us, so he's forcing the issue, trying to do too much, and it's hurting us (he's partially right, he'd need to be our 2nd or 3rd best scorer for us to win imo). People keep shitting on Tony for his contract, but that's PATFO's fault for maxing out an old, speed-reliant PG. They were obviously trying to show loyalty, and I get that, but it's just a bad decision, similar to what the Lakers did with Kobe. Emotions have to take a back seat to logic when it comes business.

Tony might return next season and play much better. I actually wouldn't be surprised if he did, at least for a while. But all in all, I think this is the beginning of a steady decline for Enrique. It happens. I think it'd be in the Spurs best interest if they started thinking about what's best for the franchise this offseason, and weigh all options.

[tmtcsc]

Ok, this is getting ridiculous. Chances are, Parker is playing hurt and its affecting his performance. When he's on, he's one of the top guards in the league. The Spurs just need to see how he looks when he's back to 100%. He looked great early in the season and if he can get back to that level, they'll be fine.

He is no where near his expiration date like Manu. Tony has 3 solid years left.

[TheGoldStandard]

Ok, this is getting ridiculous. Chances are, Parker is playing hurt and its affecting his performance. When he's on, he's one of the top guards in the league. The Spurs just need to see how he looks when he's back to 100%. He looked great early in the season and if he can get back to that level, they'll be fine.

Which will likely be next season when Spurs get bumped from the playoffs no thanks to his performance. He has 2 go to moves, the first one yields 3 options but only benefits 2 people on the court, Duncan sets a pick and he either attacks his defender to the basket, pops for his jumper or dumps it off to Tim. In between all of this is a whole lot of dribbling and bad court vision while everyone stands around. His other option is dump the ball off to someone and go stand in the corner.

He's going to be injured, hasn't had a season where he hasn't been hurt in quite a while and it's the same type of injury so law of averages will indicate that these injuries will happen again and it'll take forever for him to heal. TP needs to figure out some stuff in the off season, change his playing style become a better shooter or post people up or try to pass first.

[tmtcsc]

Which will likely be next season when Spurs get bumped from the playoffs no thanks to his performance. He has 2 go to moves, the first one yields 3 options but only benefits 2 people on the court, Duncan sets a pick and he either attacks his defender to the basket, pops for his jumper or dumps it off to Tim. In between all of this is a whole lot of dribbling and bad court vision while everyone stands around. His other option is dump the ball off to someone and go stand in the corner.

He's going to be injured, hasn't had a season where he hasn't been hurt in quite a while and it's the same type of injury so law of averages will indicate that these injuries will happen again and it'll take forever for him to heal. TP needs to figure out some stuff in the off season, change his playing style become a better shooter or post people up or try to pass first.

He already started to adjust his game and improved his 3 pt shooting. When he's been healthy, he attacks the rim with quickness and spin moves. True - for a long stretch this season he looked extremely slow and hampered by his injury. But as recently as a few weeks ago, he looked like he was back to his usual self.

Trust me, I've never been a huge fan of the guy and believe he shrinks way too much in critical moments. I've always felt the Spurs were better off when he wasn't counted on for a lot of points. He'll let you down way too often. Expectations for him need to be realistic. Tony can still be good and serviceable.

[ElNono]

He already started to adjust his game and improved his 3 pt shooting. When he's been healthy, he attacks the rim with quickness and spin moves. True - for a long stretch this season he looked extremely slow and hampered by his injury. But as recently as a few weeks ago, he looked like he was back to his usual self.

Trust me, I've never been a huge fan of the guy and believe he shrinks way too much in critical moments. I've always felt the Spurs were better off when he wasn't counted on for a lot of points. He'll let you down way too often. Expectations for him need to be realistic. Tony can still be good and serviceable.

I hope so. I'm rooting for him.

[TheGoldStandard]

He already started to adjust his game and improved his 3 pt shooting. When he's been healthy, he attacks the rim with quickness and spin moves. True - for a long stretch this season he looked extremely slow and hampered by his injury. But as recently as a few weeks ago, he looked like he was back to his usual self.

Trust me, I've never been a huge fan of the guy and believe he shrinks way too much in critical moments. I've always felt the Spurs were better off when he wasn't counted on for a lot of points. He'll let you down way too often. Expectations for him need to be realistic. Tony can still be good and serviceable.

@ 13-14 mil per season he needs to be more than serviceable. There are a lot of "serviceable PGs in the league who can manage 9 points and 3 assists for far less than that salary. I know what you're saying but the 3 point shooting isn't something that he can create off dribble which would make his ability to attack the basket easier if he became better at that. Sitting in the corner waiting for a pass is not improving your game.

[tmtcsc]

The player I think the Spurs should have real concerns about is Tiago Splitter. It may be time to move on from him. He suffers from very unusual, freakish injuries and is way too slow to recover. He's very good when he's healthy but he can't be trusted to stay that way. I'd move him before Parker.

[TheGoldStandard]

The player I think the Spurs should have real concerns about is Tiago Splitter. It may be time to move on from him. He suffers from very unusual, freakish injuries and is way too slow to recover. He's very good when he's healthy but he can't be trusted to stay that way. I'd move him before Parker. Who would want him and what could we get for him?

[tmtcsc]

Who would want him and what could we get for him?

Portland Trailblazers, Lakers, Golden State Warriors, New York Knicks just to name a few. I have no idea what we could get back. Hopefully the Spurs would be able to pick up a top UFA like Marc Gasol or Aldridge.

[DMC]

Since players are people and the Spurs promote themselves as a people first organization, I doubt Parker will be shelved like some legacy piece of capital equipment (which in reality he is). He'll be that "under the glass" legacy model in the rotunda, for curious fans to ogle. You know, when you go to some facility where such and such is made, and they have that "original" model encased in glass in the front lobby so everyone passing by can say "that was a good model"? That's what Tony will be starting next season.

He'll be paraded around and people will start to wax poetic about what he's done for the Spurs, his game, how he's changed the way point guards in the NBA play, how he ushered in a new era after the Admiral, and how he could have taken more in any other market yet sacrificed it all for the good of the team. They will talk about how unfair it was for people to call him selfish when he was carrying out coach's orders, how he worked under grueling conditions under the calloused hand of a taskmaster in Pop, who shaped him into a star, one that would not have been revealed had he played elsewhere (which goes against the more money in a different market idea).

They'll say it all. He'll have his jersey retired, he'll enter the HoF and all the while his main contributing factor has been his ability to get to the rim, and to hit short range jumpshots. That's it.

He can do neither now, yet people pretend it's his health. It's not just his health, it's his age. Sure there are those who play better at his age but he's basically played a few more seasons just due to post season play, and that doesn't even take into account the summer play.

Nope, Tony is done. He's done like Andy Dufresne was done, except Tony actually sucked it I think.

[Mal]

Which pick is it ? This 16th that is originally Boston`s ? It should be interesting since expiring 10M would be worth another 1st rounder in wake of 80 mil salary cap.

[LnGrrrR]

This is dumb. Just keep Wallace, suck next year on the Philly plan, and wait until 2016/17/18 when the good draft picks/swaps come into play. We are still quite far from competing for a title.