Tony Parker - 2nd biggest choke artist in playoff history after Malone

[Johnny RIngo]

Based on the dropoff in BPM from regular season to post-season:

http://s5.postimg.org/rcwjg880n/RS_PO_BPM_differentials_worst.png

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Men lie, women lie, numbers dont. Can't wait till this French faggot retires

[TheGreatYacht]

He wasn't the one who missed game winning free throws in 6.

[RD2191]

:lolcan't say I'm surprised

[Malik Hairston]

:lol

[dabom]

4 time champ. He was better than CP3.

[Johnny RIngo]

He wasn't the one who missed game winning free throws in 6.

Shot 6-23 in game 6.
Shot 3-12 in game 7.

Outplayed by Mario Chalmers.

This isn't a hate thread btw. Tony's a pretty decent regular season player. Just pointing out the fact that he's unable to replicate that production in the post-season.

[Kool Bob Love]

He wasn't the one who missed game winning free throws in 6.

[RD2191]

Shot 6-23 in game 6.
Shot 3-12 in game 7.

Outplayed by Mario Chalmers.

This isn't a hate thread btw. Tony's a pretty decent regular season player. Just pointing out the fact that he's unable to replicate that production in the post-season.

[TheGreatYacht]

Shot 6-23 in game 6.
Shot 3-12 in game 7.

Outplayed by Mario Chalmers.

This isn't a hate thread btw. Tony's a pretty decent regular season player. Just pointing out the fact that he's unable to replicate that production in the post-season.
Show me his playoff stats before those 2 games. Kawhi always a great 2-3 games every playoffs and is average every other game, didn't change this year.

[RD2191]

Show me his playoff stats before those 2 games. Kawhi always a great 2-3 games every playoffs and is average every other game, didn't change this year.
Parker had bad games 1-7. What's your point?

[Johnny RIngo]

Show me his playoff stats before those 2 games. Kawhi always a great 2-3 games every playoffs and is average every other game, didn't change this year.

So you agree that Tony was unable to close the deal in the Finals. You're pretty much agreeing with my thread. Tony Parker - playoff choke artist.

[TheGreatYacht]

So you agree that Tony was unable to close the deal in the Finals. You're pretty much agreeing with my thread. Tony Parker - playoff choke artist.
No, I'm pointing out how you pick 2 games out of a whole playoff run. But, you get pissed when I point out Kawhi's shitty FG% these last 2 close out games, his horrible defense throughout the series, and the fact he chokes at the free throw line with ships on the line

[Johnny RIngo]

Might as well have all the data in one place.

http://s5.postimg.org/rey1k3i53/Parker_RS_PS_TS_Comparisons2.png

Just look at the dropoff in every advanced metric from season(RS) to post-season(PS).

19.0 PER RS
16.9 PER PS

.147 WS/48 RS
.085 WS/48 PS

109 ORtg RS
103 ORtg PS

.550 TS% RS
.515 TS% PS

32.7% Assist Percentage RS
27.7% Assist Percentage PS

1.2 BPM RS
0.2 BPM PS

[TheGreatYacht]

Parker had bad games 1-7. What's your point?
Got kicked in the calf in the WCF, and got hurt in G3 when some school had a graduation next door and the team missed warmups. But, led the team in PPG and got Green open looks regardless.

[TheGreatYacht]

Might as well have all the data in one place.

http://s5.postimg.org/rey1k3i53/Parker_RS_PS_TS_Comparisons2.png

Just look at the dropoff in every advanced metric from season(RS) to post-season(PS).

19.0 PER RS
16.9 PER PS

.147 WS/48 RS
.085 WS/48 PS

109 ORtg RS
103 ORtg PS

.550 TS% RS
.515 TS% PS

32.7% Assist Percentage RS
27.7% Assist Percentage PS

1.2 BPM RS
0.2 BPM PS
Of course his TS% is shit when he can't hit 3's and free throws efficiently :lol show me fg%

[Malik Hairston]

Of course his TS% is shit when he can't hit 3's and free throws efficiently :lol show me fg%

:lmao that's your argument?

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao that's your argument?
Skewed stats :lmao

[Mugen]

:lol

[ElNono]

Meanwhile...

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[Floyd Pacquiao]

:lol:lmao 20 points on 21 fucking shots you fucking choking French faggot

[Malik Hairston]

Skewed stats :lmao

Are you seriously going to take that route?

[Johnny RIngo]

No, I'm pointing out how you pick 2 games out of a whole playoff run.

It's not just two games - These are career numbers in this thread. Tony's been choking for a long time in the playoffs. If you want specific series where he was detrimental to the team: '04 Lakers, '06 Mavs, '13 Heat, '15 Clippers. There are others that were shitty too(2003 playoffs, 2005 playoffs) but we had Duncan and Manu playing at historic levels those years and winning a title makes everyone forget about your playoff struggles. For example, Chauncey killed Tony in the 2005 Finals but it's not talked about much because the Spurs rang that year.


But, you get pissed when I point out Kawhi's shitty FG% these last 2 close out games, his horrible defense throughout the series, and the fact he chokes at the free throw line with ships on the line

These all apply to Tony in this Clippers series so I fail to see your point.

[TheGreatYacht]

Are you seriously going to take that route?
What route? I ain't the one mentioning Parker in a Kawhi choking thread. That's your bus

[TheGreatYacht]

It's not just two games - These are career numbers in this thread. Tony's been choking for a long time in the playoffs. If you want specific series where he was detrimental to the team: '04 Lakers, '06 Mavs, '13 Heat, '15 Clippers. There are others that were shitty too(2003 playoffs, 2005 playoffs) but we had Duncan and Manu playing at historic levels those years and winning a title makes everyone forget about your playoff struggles. For example, Chauncey killed Tony in the 2005 Finals but it's not talked about much because the Spurs rang that year.



These all apply to Tony in this Clippers series so I fail to see your point.
He ranks like Top 5 in Assists and Top 10 in Points in the post season, too lazy to look up the leaderboards. Everyone on the big 3 has had their set of horrible series, shit happens :lol

It also applies to some other dude looking for a max from the spurs this offseason, tbh

[Johnny RIngo]

He ranks like Top 5 in Assists and Top 10 in Points in the post season, too lazy to look up the leaderboards. Everyone on the big 3 has had their set of horrible series, shit happens :lol

It also applies to some other dude looking for a max from the spurs this offseason, tbh

I've covered all this before. Absolute numbers distort relative impact. How about we organize the top 5 assist list by assists per game:

12.3 - Magic
10.1 - Stockon
8.8 - Nash
8.0 - Kidd
5.2 - Parker

:lol Parker's not in the same tier as those guy as a playmaker.

You brought up the top 10 points list. Lets look at the playoff efficiency(true shooting percentage) of all the players on that list(up to Tony) and see how Parker stacks up:

.568 - Jordan
.571 - Kareem
.541 - Kobe
.565 - Shaq
.550 - Duncan
.526 - Malone
.577 - Lebron
.541 - Jerry West
.498 - Havlicek
.551 - Bird
.515 - Parker

Everybody on that list has scored a lot of points in the playoffs on good efficiency. Except for the three bolded players. These three stand out as being considerably less efficient than the others. Malone is a reputed choke artist in the playoffs. His low efficiency reflects that. Parker's another one. Just more proof that these two are the biggest choke artists in post-season history.

How about we compare Parker's .515 TS% to other great PGs past and present:

.595 - Magic
.568 - Stockton
.583 - Nash
.578 - Billups
.577 - Paul
.515 - Parker

Poor Tony isn't even close. Then again, TP never was an elite point guard.

[FkLA]

That choking, one-dimensional faggot saw a chance at personal glory when he saw Boobie lined up opposite of him and he took a FMVP that rightfully belonged to Timmy. That award has fooled millions of retards into thinking he was some kind of playoff warrior and a member of a 'Big 3'. He's a fucking fraud tbh.

[midnightpulp]

I don't get why people blame Leonard for his missed FT in Game 6? For a player as young and inexperienced as he was at the point, it was clutch as fuck to split there. I'm all for Leonard being in the Spurfan doghouse at the moment for getting outplayed by Matt Barnes, but criticizing that missed FT doesn't make sense.

[TheGreatYacht]

I've covered all this before. Absolute numbers distort relative impact. How about we organize the top 5 assist list by assists per game:

12.3 - Magic
10.1 - Stockon
8.8 - Nash
8.0 - Kidd
5.2 - Parker

:lol Parker's not in the same tier as those guy as a playmaker.
Are you saying those PG's would still have those numbers if they went through a 4 down post Duncan & and a team ball movement type of system?


You brought up the top 10 points list. Lets look at the playoff efficiency(true shooting percentage) of all the players on that list(up to Tony) and see how Parker stacks up:

.568 - Jordan
.571 - Kareem
.541 - Kobe
.565 - Shaq
.550 - Duncan
.526 - Malone
.577 - Lebron
.541 - Jerry West
.498 - Havlicek
.551 - Bird
.515 - Parker

Everybody on that list has scored a lot of points in the playoffs on good efficiency. Except for the three bolded players. These three stand out as being considerably less efficient than the others. Malone is a reputed choke artist in the playoffs. His low efficiency reflects that. Parker's another one. Just more proof that these two are the biggest choke artists in post-season history.

Damn you really buried Parker there for not being in the class of Jordan, Kareem, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, West, and Bird :lol


How about we compare Parker's .515 TS% to other great PGs past and present:

.595 - Magic
.568 - Stockton
.583 - Nash
.578 - Billups
.577 - Paul
.515 - Parker

Poor Tony isn't even close. Then again, TP never was an elite point guard.
All those PG's are pure shooters except for Magic, Parker isn't. This is a fact

[lefty]

Meanwhile...

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Evita shitting on Enrique

[mkurts]

Pork Crackles took mediocrity to a whole new level.

He cannot be satisfied until he wastes Duncan's remaining time

[Mikeanaro]

Meanwhile...

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YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
Maybe this last game contributed to that mark.

[Johnny RIngo]

Are you saying those PG's would still have those numbers if they went through a 4 down post Duncan & and a team ball movement type of system?

You've pretty much admitted that Parker's a one-dimensional system point guard with this statement. And yeah, bringing in players with actual talent(and court vision) will improve any team. You think the Hawks would rather have Jeff Teague over someone like Paul or Nash? What a shitty, shitty argument.



Damn you really buried Parker there for not being in the class of Jordan, Kareem, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, West, and Bird :lol

You made the comparison, not me, when bringing up TP being in the top 10 playoff scorers list. Context is important. All the great players on that list score efficiently. The choke artists(Malone/Parker) are the least efficient in that group. Inefficient players tend to lose you playoff games with their chucking(as we've seen many times with TP)


All those PG's are pure shooters except for Magic, Parker isn't. This is a fact

Shooting is a skill. As is drawing free throws. Ignoring TS% because your favorite player is poor at both is retarded.

[lefty]

Meanwhile...

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I dont see Terny Porker on that list

[spurraider21]

its ok guys, only 3 years left

[Johnny RIngo]

Meanwhile...

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Impressive for Manu. Pretty much all the elite wing players in NBA history there. That list is missing Wade though. Pretty sure he's met all the requirements.

[lefty]

Great thread tbh


Nothing but facts

[Clipper Nation]

Of course his TS% is shit when he can't hit 3's and free throws efficiently :lol show me fg%
:cry He's great as long as you ignore the things he's bad at! :cry

[Diego20]

Shot 6-23 in game 6.
Shot 3-12 in game 7.

Outplayed by Mario Chalmers.

This isn't a hate thread btw. Tony's a pretty decent regular season player. Just pointing out the fact that he's unable to replicate that production in the post-season.

[DAF86]

Of course his TS% is shit when he can't hit 3's and free throws efficiently :lol


All those PG's are pure shooters except for Magic, Parker isn't. This is a fact

With these arguments I don't know if TheGreatYacht is trying to defend or shitting on Tony, tbh. :lol

[Johnny RIngo]

Addressing the "Big 3" myth:

Spurs won three titles in five years from 2003-2007. Here's the playoff stats for all the Spurs rotation players in that time period:

http://s5.postimg.org/om3v3tvdj/Spurs_03_07.png

Tim and Manu are the only two players with:

20+ PER
6+ BPM
10+ win shares
.200+ WS/48(DRob also qualifies for this but he only played in 2003)

These two guys were dominant - by far the two best players on the team. They were pretty much the Shaq/Kobe of the Spurs. Everybody else was a role player. No idea where the big three nonsense came from. Duncan and Manu were a Big Two back then.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Tony was tolerable until this year. He shouldn't have been out there past 20 minutes a night. A hobble Chris Paul was schooling Parker. That is why I am not surprise the Spurs lost. I guarantee, if Tony was limit to 15-20 minutes max like Manu, the Spurs would have won this series.

But its spilled milk at this point. Hopefully Kawhi get even better in the offseason and maybe the Spurs can land LA to shoulder more of the Offensive load due to Parker's regression and continue regression.

[kaji157]

Addressing the "Big 3" myth:

Spurs won three titles in five years from 2003-2007. Here's the playoff stats for all the Spurs rotation players in that time period:

http://s5.postimg.org/om3v3tvdj/Spurs_03_07.png

Tim and Manu are the only two players with:

20+ PER
6+ BPM
10+ win shares
.200+ WS/48(DRob also qualifies for this but he only played in 2003)

These two guys were dominant - by far the two best players on the team. They were pretty much the Shaq/Kobe of the Spurs. Everybody else was a role player. No idea where the big three nonsense came from. Duncan and Manu were a Big Two back then.

Pretty much what we already know, that Manu is a better player than Tony in almost every measurable way.

The same as Tony being the younger player and with more stamina that allowed Tim and Manu to somehow cruise during the regular season so the could shine in the PO.

Manu and Tim were the real starts, Tony has always been a workhorse disguised as the "head of the snake" so that idiotic coaches concentrate their defenses on him.

[Lady M]

player with 3750 pts and 1000 ass Bird Parker and Lebron
Magic had 3701 pts
Manu 2836 and 747 ass

maybe it's the big problem for his fans only 15.2 pts/game Tony 18.6 better than Pippen or David Robinson but Tony is awfull

[cd98]

Malone may have choked in the NBA finals, but he was a beast in the Western Conference. I hated him, but as a Spur fan that saw Utah dominate us in the 90s, I respected him. I'd also say that it's silly to call Tony a playoff choker, I don't think he is. He played horrible on this year's run, like 3/4 of the team, but I don't think it was choking. He was injured and looked bad and he was playing Paul, who was healthy and playing his best ball in years.

[Clipper Nation]

Malone may have choked in the NBA finals, but he was a beast in the Western Conference. I hated him, but as a Spur fan that saw Utah dominate us in the 90s, I respected him.
Don't kid yourself, Malone was a choke artist in the West as well. Stockton routinely bailed his ass out. Even with Stockton, they still lost in the first round 7 times, including getting swept by a 43-win Warriors team in 1989. IIRC, in one of those games, Malone went off for 30+ points in the first three quarters and promptly went scoreless in the 4th. Then there was the '94 playoffs, where Malone nearly gagged a 3-0 lead to the Nuggets, then was so shook against Houston that Utah's owner actually screamed at Sloan from the stands to bench him during one of the games. And who could forget his choke at the free throw line against the Sonics in '96, where he was literally rattled by the crowd chanting "5, 4, 3, 2, 1" at him? Karl was a bum, plain and simple... the Fivehead of the NBA.

[cd98]

Don't kid yourself, Malone was a choke artist in the West as well. Stockton routinely bailed his ass out. Even with Stockton, they still lost in the first round 7 times, including getting swept by a 43-win Warriors team in 1989. IIRC, in one of those games, Malone went off for 30+ points in the first three quarters and promptly went scoreless in the 4th. Then there was the '94 playoffs, where Malone nearly gagged a 3-0 lead to the Nuggets, then was so shook against Houston that Utah's owner actually screamed at Sloan from the stands to bench him during one of the games. And who could forget his choke at the free throw line against the Sonics in '96, where he was literally rattled by the crowd chanting "5, 4, 3, 2, 1" at him? Karl was a bum, plain and simple... the Fivehead of the NBA.

I'm no Malone fan, but he was pretty good in the Western Conference. He made the finals twice and he was the team's leading scorer. Sure Stockton was a big part of the success, but you can't deny Malone had some good runs in the playoffs, both as a scorer and as a defender/rebounder/enforcer. I guess you can, but it would be forgetting a lot of his success in the process. Now he did suck it up against the Bulls in the finals both times. No question he choked in the finals, but I remember him pretty much owning the Spurs in the playoffs.

[21209]

He wasn't the one who missed game winning free throws in 6.

He actually missed a big one in OT. He made 1-2 that gave the Spurs a 100-97 lead.

The Spurs were down a point when Manu had the ball stripped by Ray Allen in the closing seconds. Otherwise, the game is tied

[Mikeanaro]

Porker is not a great player, never has been one or half, if someone cant see that a shrink may be required.

[therealtruth]

TP's best attribute was constantly attacking the defense. He was the 1-man fastbreak. If he can't do that due to injuries or good defenders his value drops significantly.

[Johnny RIngo]

I'm no Malone fan, but he was pretty good in the Western Conference. He made the finals twice and he was the team's leading scorer. Sure Stockton was a big part of the success, but you can't deny Malone had some good runs in the playoffs, both as a scorer and as a defender/rebounder/enforcer. I guess you can, but it would be forgetting a lot of his success in the process. Now he did suck it up against the Bulls in the finals both times. No question he choked in the finals, but I remember him pretty much owning the Spurs in the playoffs.

No one's saying Malone sucked in the playoffs. He just didn't live up to the inflated stats he put up in the regular season. Hence, the choke artist label. If Malone played as well as he did in the reg season he would have retired with one or two rings. Parker's the same way - scores efficiently in the season but turns into a cancerous chucker come playoff time. He had a few decent playoff runs but the bad outweighs the good.

[Johnny RIngo]

Porker is not a great player, never has been one or half, if someone cant see that a shrink may be required.

He's never been elite. Just a mediocre system player. Duncan and Manu would have been stars on any team in the league. Parker needed HOF teammates, an all-time great coach, and he still put up shit numbers in the playoffs. Good regular season player I guess but the all-time greats have to be able to elevate their game in the playoffs. Parker never has.

[Leetonidas]

Tony was absolute shit this year but the hate has blinded some of y'all....for a long time prior to 2012 the entire offense was built around TP driving and dishing. Of course his numbers will drop in the PO when the defense is focused primarily on stopping his penetration and clogging the lane. Not saying he was some all world performer cus he definitely had some lackluster moments but tbh there were plenty of times he stepped up big and was a big factor. Except for this series against LAC you can't really point to any playoff failure and blame it solely on him, imo.

[Leetonidas]

And I love advanced stats as much as the next guy but basing your entire argument around PM stats is kinda lame tbh. I don't really see the point of these threads anyway, save for TGY, everyone has turned on Parker. Even hater jumped ship on him :lol

[K...]

He's never been elite. Just a mediocre system player. Duncan and Manu would have been stars on any team in the league. Parker needed HOF teammates, an all-time great coach, and he still put up shit numbers in the playoffs. Good regular season player I guess but the all-time greats have to be able to elevate their game in the playoffs. Parker never has.

This would be opinion. Minority opinion at that. Go home, you won the battle but lost the war. Parker is a likely hof player. Not bad for a system pg. Crazy that the system drove to the basket and absorbed contact for Parker. So cool that he system corrected Tony's weak ass shot attempts and made him so dominate.


Too bad the same system can't help kawhi make the jump outto alpha.

[szkorhetz]

One thing crossed my mind. What about trading TP to the Kings for Rudy Gay? I know the Gay hate here, but in the right system, he could play alongside Kawhi in both the 3 and 4, or could even let Kawhi slide down to Sg. Kings had interest in TP before, and the salaries are pretty similar.

[lefty]

One thing crossed my mind. What about trading TP to the Kings for Rudy Gay? I know the Gay hate here, but in the right system, he could play alongside Kawhi in both the 3 and 4, or could even let Kawhi slide down to Sg. Kings had interest in TP before, and the salaries are pretty similar.

Trade an Enrique for another Enrique?

[Johnny RIngo]

One thing crossed my mind. What about trading TP to the Kings for Rudy Gay? I know the Gay hate here, but in the right system, he could play alongside Kawhi in both the 3 and 4, or could even let Kawhi slide down to Sg. Kings had interest in TP before, and the salaries are pretty similar.

Why would the Kings do this? Then can probably draft a better point guard than the production they'd be getting from current Tony Parker.

[kaji157]

Why don´t we fuck all over indiana and get Duncan a few help in the process.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o5swr2o

Plus Geaorge can still learn from Manu and Hibbert from Duncan. We could also sign Aldridge and max out Leonard.
We just need to hipnotise everyone on indiana´s front office.

[Leetonidas]

Why don´t we fuck all over indiana and get Duncan a few help in the process.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o5swr2o

Plus Geaorge can still learn from Manu and Hibbert from Duncan. We could also sign Aldridge and max out Leonard.
We just need to hipnotise everyone on indiana´s front office.

:lmao

[szkorhetz]

Why would the Kings do this? Then can probably draft a better point guard than the production they'd be getting from current Tony Parker.
Just trading dead weights at this point, TBH. See if any better can come out of it.

[Blake]

Meanwhile...

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Tony has 3700 points 1000 assists 600 rebounds 180 steals

Not pimping, just saying

[TheGreatYacht]

Tony has 3700 points 1000 assists 600 rebounds 180 steals

Not pimping, just saying

[Johnny RIngo]

Why don´t we fuck all over indiana and get Duncan a few help in the process.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o5swr2o

Plus Geaorge can still learn from Manu and Hibbert from Duncan. We could also sign Aldridge and max out Leonard.
We just need to hipnotise everyone on indiana´s front office.

Not a fan of Roy Hibbert - he'd be an extremely poor fit next to TD. George Hill is awesome though. Much better than that disgusting, French piece of shit. Difficult choice. Wouldn't want to lose Tiago but getting that cancerous blob off the team is a priority right now.

[Johnny RIngo]

What a fucking cancer - those percentages come playoff time is nauseating.

2002 playoffs:

4-11 (36%) vs Sonics LOSS
6-18 (33%) vs Sonics LOSS
5-14 (35%) vs Lakers LOSS
6-15 (40%) vs Lakers LOSS

2003 playoffs:

2-13 (15%) vs Suns LOSS
1-8 (12%) vs Lakers LOSS
6-17 (35%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-18 (38%) vs Lakers LOSS
3-11 (27%) vs Mavs LOSS
1-12 (8%) vs Nets LOSS

2004 playoffs:

4-12 (33%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-18 (38%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-23 (30%) vs Lakers LOSS
4-18 (22%) vs Lakers LOSS

Had to stop after 2004 - too exhausting/depressing looking at all those shitty shooting numbers from Enrique.

[mkurts]

Well he's got the money and contract now, laughing all the way to the bank.

[Brazil]

:lol random mainsteam fans who are not familiar with advanced stats falling for this kind of thread

Roberto laughing on it like he has a clue of what these stats mean

To be fun just have a look on the formula:


Raw BPM = a*ReMPG + b*ORB% + c*DRB% + d*STL% + e*BLK% + f*AST% - g*USG%*TO% + h*USG%*(1-TO%)*[2*(TS% - TmTS%) + i*AST% + j*(3PAr - Lg3PAr) - k] + l*sqrt(AST%*TRB%)
Rebounding is for instance a tricky one, one rebound does not equal one rebound, great rebounders have usually solid advanced stats but there is no ponderation to know if a rebound is contested or not.

You can twist and use whatever you want to make a case about something. Fact is globally Parker advanced stats suffer in the PS because of defense being tighter and by the attention he gets (not talking about this year), Kawhi experienced this year the difficulty to keep your production in the PS when you are the focal point of opponent's defense.

In this PS, Net rtg of Kawhi -4,8, TP +1, +/- -35 Kawhi, Parker -6, opponent FG% improvement when defended by Kawhi (:lol Matt Barnes) 6 pts etc etc... I can find stats who fit my agenda and make a sense of Parker be more valuable than Kawhi which would be dumb obviously.

Point is there are few people on this board who have a clue of what they are talking about when talking advanced stats... best proof being posting not updated advanced stats after one game or not being able to understand why a site for the same stat has a different number of another.

OP is obviously a good example of that

[Brazil]

People cannot have it both ways... whether he is a system player and you have to measure his value within a system, in that case most advanced stats are useless or he is not.

Advanced stat is usually a measurement and ponderation of all aspects of the game, Parker plays in a system where Pop asks him to focus on his strengths: setting offense, penetrating to open shots for 3 pointers specialist, scores in the paint etc... his TS% is affected by the fact he doesn't draw a lot of FTs because he cannot outpower bigs when he goes for layups, he needs creating space and avoid contacts, his assits pg suffer too on the way Spurs play their offense. Spurs don't ask him too to be a 3 pts scorer neither ask him to rebound the ball, all these elements give poor advanced stats compared to other players.

Only an idiot would consider Parker a cancer or a dude comparable to a bunch of scrubs sorting and parametrizing advanced stats.

Fact is Spurs won 4 rings with him having one of the biggest usage rate of the team, he adapted his game from 4down to ball movement, he is a key piece of Spurs historical run last 14 years and had been extremely valuable for Pop's system and Spurs success, like it or not.

[Spurs9]

People cannot have it both ways... whether he is a system player and you have to measure his value within a system, in that case most advanced stats are useless or he is not.

Advanced stat is usually a measurement and ponderation of all aspects of the game, Parker plays in a system where Pop asks him to focus on his strengths: setting offense, penetrating to open shots for 3 pointers specialist, scores in the paint etc... his TS% is affected by the fact he doesn't draw a lot of FTs because he cannot outpower bigs when he goes for layups, he needs creating space and avoid contacts, his assits pg suffer too on the way Spurs play their offense. Spurs don't ask him too to be a 3 pts scorer neither ask him to rebound the ball, all these elements give poor advanced stats compared to other players.

Only an idiot would consider Parker a cancer or a dude comparable to a bunch of scrubs sorting and parametrizing advanced stats.

Fact is Spurs won 4 rings with him having one of the biggest usage rate of the team, he adapted his game from 4down to ball movement, he is a key piece of Spurs historical run last 14 years and had been extremely valuable for Pop's system and Spurs success, like it or not.
All of the people butthurt over Parker say he's garbage. On the other hand they act like if he played well we could have won it. So which is it? He wasn't even fully healthy this playoffs, and we were literally one call away from advancing against a team who could be in the finals regardless.

[nowitzkikopf]

regardless of past performances, parker shat the bed these playoffs. sad really- if you guys could have replicated even a fraction of the magic from last year, would have gotten duncan his b2b. memphis + spurs are likely the only two teams that can beat the dubs.

[Brazil]

All of the people butthurt over Parker say he's garbage. On the other hand they act like if he played well we could have won it. So which is it? He wasn't even fully healthy this playoffs, and we were literally one call away from advancing against a team who could be in the finals regardless.

I'm not even talking about this year... he was trash there is no other to see it. From that point to his entire Spurs run and recognition is a fraud, there is a world of bullshit and non sense on this board espcially backed up by stupid takes based on numbers most don't even understand.

[look_at_g_shred]

The title :lmao

[Diego20]

Tony has 3700 points 1000 assists 600 rebounds 180 steals

Not pimping, just saying

ok he needs 150 more rebounds and 70 steals.

your point?

[mkurts]

Tony is the real deal, give him a max extension !

[SASdynasty!]

ok he needs 150 more rebounds and 70 steals.

your point?
His point is he's considering 1,200 points and 300 assists more important than 150 rebounds and 70 steals.

[SASdynasty!]

Tony was tolerable until this year. He shouldn't have been out there past 20 minutes a night. A hobble Chris Paul was schooling Parker. That is why I am not surprise the Spurs lost. I guarantee, if Tony was limit to 15-20 minutes max like Manu, the Spurs would have won this series.

But its spilled milk at this point. Hopefully Kawhi get even better in the offseason and maybe the Spurs can land LA to shoulder more of the Offensive load due to Parker's regression and continue regression.
Lol, a hobbled Chris Paul was schooling Kawhi, Green, and Mills as well. Including going right at Duncan the last two plays of the game and getting the final 4 points on him.

[SASdynasty!]

:lol:lmao 20 points on 21 fucking shots you fucking choking French faggot
MUCH better than what Kawhi was putting up the LAST 3 GAMES of the series.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol -8
:lol Another vanishing act
:lol Another year, another choke
:lol Stans already throwing Kawhi under the bus to protect his fat ass
:lol Tissot

[Clipper Nation]

Might as well have all the data in one place.

http://s5.postimg.org/rey1k3i53/Parker_RS_PS_TS_Comparisons2.png

Just look at the dropoff in every advanced metric from season(RS) to post-season(PS).

19.0 PER RS
16.9 PER PS

.147 WS/48 RS
.085 WS/48 PS

109 ORtg RS
103 ORtg PS

.550 TS% RS
.515 TS% PS

32.7% Assist Percentage RS
27.7% Assist Percentage PS

1.2 BPM RS
0.2 BPM PS
This season's choke:

16.2 PER RS
15.1 PER PS

.142 WS/48 RS
.099 WS/48 PS

108 ORtg RS
103 ORtg PS

.546 TS% RS
.499 TS% PS

29.1% Assist Percentage RS
32.8% Assist Percentage PS (wow, he actually improved at something in the playoffs for once!)

0.1 BPM RS
-0.5 BPM PS

[ElNono]

Andre Miller fueling a comeback.... might be too late

[HarlemHeat37]

Eh, he shouldn't be a starting PG for a playoff team anymore, but he wasn't terrible in the playoffs..blame Pop and Buford, tbh..

[lefty]

Le Facteur

[Clipper Nation]

Eh, he shouldn't be a starting PG for a playoff team anymore, but he wasn't terrible in the playoffs..blame Pop and Buford, tbh..
Ehh, he was pretty terrible. Statistically a net negative on the court for the whole playoffs, despite getting to face a D-League caliber team in the first round who was relying on J:lolrd:loln F:lolrm:lolr and something called a "Xavier Mumford" at the point guard position.

To put things in perspective, Kyle Lowry has been putting up historically terrible playoff numbers, and even he has a +2.6 playoff BPM :lol

[therealtruth]

The Spurs need a decent PG that can play off Kawhi and LMA.

[tholdren]

Nah - Leonard is a bigger loser than Parker in games that count and its not close.

[K...]

Parker played his role. You don't expect much. It sucks he kept pulling the ball up on fast breaks but it's not like we had much better options. Parker will stay and he'll have a role. Prigoni as a starter or bench captain.