US police shoot suspected jihadists in new cartoon attack

[RandomGuy]

A regular Texas shoot 'em up.

pew pew pew...


Garland (United States) (AFP) - A Texas traffic policeman shot dead two suspected Islamist gunmen with his pistol after they opened fire with assault rifles and tried to storm an event staged by an anti-Muslim group, police said Monday.

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There was no confirmed claim of responsibility for Sunday's failed assault, but an FBI official told US media that one of the attackers had been previously investigated as an alleged would-be jihadist militant.

ABC news, citing an FBI official, said Monday that agents had raided an apartment in Phoenix, Arizona thought to belong to Elton Simpson, allegedly one of the slain gunmen.

Court documents seen by AFP show Simpson was sentenced to three years probation in 2011 for lying to federal agents investigating him on suspicion of planning to travel to Somalia to fight with jihadists.

The White House said President Barack Obama had been briefed on the investigation, which Texas police said was ongoing.

"There is no form of expression that justifies an act of violence," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said.

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Dutch Member of Parliament Geert Wilders stands with members of a US SWAT team outside the venue whe …
Commentators were quick to draw parallels to a January shooting at the French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo in Paris that killed 12 people and wounded 11 more.

The American Freedom Defense Initiative, a group listed by civil rights watchdog the Southern Poverty Law Center as an anti-Muslim hate group, had organized the event in Garland, a suburb of Dallas.

- Drawings of the prophet -

At the event, attended by Dutch far-right politician Geert Wilders and AFDI co-founder Pamela Geller, supporters held an exhibition of entries to a competition to draw cartoons caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed.

Many Muslims find drawings of the prophet to be disrespectful or outright blasphemous, and such cartoons have been cited by Islamists as motivation in several previous attacks.

View galleryPolice officers gather May 4, 2015 in Garland, Tex …
Police officers gather May 4, 2015 in Garland, Texas (AFP Photo/Jared L. Christopher)
Police said two men, wearing body armor and toting assault rifles, drove up to the conference, jumped out and opened fire on an unarmed security guard.

Garland police spokesman Joe Harn told reporters the guard was shot in the ankle and that a traffic police officer in the vicinity responded, taking down the two better-armed assailants.

"With what he was faced with and his reaction and his shooting with a pistol, he did a good job," Harn said. "And under the fire that he was put under, he did a very good job. And probably saved lives."

A SWAT team on duty to provide back-up security for the controversial event secured the area, and bomb squad officers confirmed that there were no explosives in the car.

Wilders told AFP in an e-mail that he was concerned he may have been targeted because he, like one of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists killed in January, figures on a hit list circulated by Al-Qaeda supporters.

View galleryDutch Member of Parliament Geert Wilders waits to speak …
Dutch Member of Parliament Geert Wilders waits to speak at a press conference on Capitol Hill April …
"I am shocked. I just spoke for half an hour about the cartoons, Islam and freedom of speech and I had just left the premises," he said.

"This is an attack on the liberties of all of us!"

The Dutch politician said he would return to the Netherlands on Monday but he still plans to come back to the United States next week for another speaking engagement.

- 'War on free speech' -

On Twitter, jihadist Abu Hussain Al-Britani, who the private terror watchdog SITE identified as British IS fighter Junaid Hussain, described the gunmen as "two of our brothers."

About 200 people were present at the event in Garland.

US Representative Michael McCaul of Texas, who also is the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, deplored the attack by what he called "fanatics."

"From the capitals of Europe to the streets of Garland, Texas, we have been confronted by attackers who cannot tolerate our open society," he said.

AFDI had offered a $10,000 prize for the winner of the cartoon contest that had been billed as a "free speech" event.

Geller called the shooting a "war on free speech."

"What are we going to do? Are we going to surrender to these monsters?" she wrote on her website. "The war is here."

[RandomGuy]

Amazing that some people freak out over cartoons.

http://www.apenotmonkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Draw-Muhammad-Day-Picnic-with-Jesus-Hitchens-Muhmmad.jpg

[Winehole23]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162195&page=4&p=7992286&viewfull=1#post7992286

[boutons_deux]

Garland, Texas—Scene of Last Night's Shootings—Is a Hotbed for Anti-Muslim Bigotry

Geller is being portrayed as an advocate of free speech, who was holding a Muhammad cartoon contest that was simply about affirming First Amendment principles.

This simply is not the case.

Geller is not a “critic of Islam (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-shooting-20150503-story.html),” as The Los Angeles Times wrote of her last night. Her goal is to cleanse the Western world of Muslims in much the same manner Slobodan Milosevic wanted to cleanse the Balkans of its Muslim population. On her website, she promoted (http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2013/02/06/pamela-geller-advocates-banning-islam-demolishing-mosques-deporting-and-killing-muslims/) a British activist’s solution to that country's Muslim migration:


If a government wants to learn how to manage growing Islamic problems, take some advice from Ottoman army officer Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Atatürk abolished Islam by putting a complete ban on Islamic materials, demolishing mosques, and removing any traces of Islam in his country to get rid of the evil. Those who tried to revolt were put in their place, or basically killed….

It is time for the UK to stop wasting their military abroad, but bring them to patrol their own streets and begin to remove Muslims. And it is vital time to plan and arrange deportation programs – and even arrange new deportation programs for practicing Muslims born in England to be deported to their parent’s country of origin.


She has posted bus ads around the country saying that (http://www.loonwatch.com/2014/05/washington-dc-geller-is-back-with-another-anti-islam-metro-ad/) “Islamic jew-hatred: it's in the Quran,” leading to the New York Metro Transit Authority banning all political ads in its system after her provocative material was placed. She hascalled for all Muslim migration to the West to be banned (http://pamelageller.com/2015/01/here-it-is-the-solution-to-stop-jihad-sharia-and-islamization-now.html/). The last thing Geller is is an advocate for freedom of anything.

None of this is to justify the attack that occurred last night, whatever its motivation. Violence is an abhorrent thing, whether it be a shooting, or demolishing mosques. Or killing people from the air with explosive weapons (but more on that later).

But we should understand, going forward, the political climate in Garland – a city with a nearly ten percent Asian population, much of which is Muslim immigrants (http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/nav/jsf/pages/community_facts.xhtml). Last January, a group of Muslims dedicated to peace and denouncing terrorism held a conference there. The conference was titled “Stand With the Prophet Against Violence and Hate,” and was focused around a fundraiser to build a new center to combat extremism and negative perceptions of Islam. In other words, the conference was an organizing point for those “moderate Muslims” we often are told do not exist.

This is how those Muslims were greeted in Garland (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/01/watch-protesters-surround-conference-put-on-by-texas-muslims-you-are-not-americans/), by thousands of protesters:

Holding signs saying “You are not Americans. Don’t fly our flag,” protesters complained about the Garland Independent School District allowing the group to use the facility.

“We pay our taxes to that school, and I don’t want them here,” one woman, Lavona Martindale said.

Another protester, identified as Greg McKinley, said, “We’re here to stand up for the American way of life from a faction of people who are trying to destroy us.”
McKinley added, “If they want to live their life like the middle east, they can go back to the middle east.”


Some of the protesters came armed, and many screamed at the attendees as they walked into the conference. Because the facility they used was a public building, protesters also packed the Gardland School Board, asking that they deny them permit to hold the peace conference. Said one man, “I certainly don’t think you need people there who want to destroy this country.”

In short, it's pretty obvious what Geller and her friends in Garland believe: the United States is at war with Islam, and Muslims are not welcome here.

Although we do not know the exact ideology or identity of the attackers, one thing that is immediately clear is their attempt to do violence upon Geller's event will be seen as validation. Immediately after the attack, Geller appeared on Fox News, saying, “There's an enemy among us (https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/595063411332947970).” In other words, the attackers, no matter what their motivation is, have only helped Geller spread her hate.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/garland-texas-scene-last-nights-shootings-hotbed-anti-muslim-bigotry

[boutons_deux]

After Texas Shooting, American Muslims Defend Anti-Islam Hate Group’s Right To Speak (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/05/04/3654474/texas-shooting-american-muslims-defend-anti-islam-hate-groups-right-speak/)

American Muslim leaders are already condemning the shooting and defending Geller’s right to exercise their free speech, hateful or otherwise. Ibrahim Hooper, National Communications Director and spokesperson for the Council on American–Islamic Relations (CAIR), told ThinkProgress his group rebuked the attack “without reservation,” and maintained that while Geller’s statements are unhelpful, her freedom of expression should be protected.

“She has the right to do it, it’s a free country,” he said. “But one has to wonder why one would dedicate their life to promoting hatred and bigotry.”

The Qur’an says to respond to speech with speech.Harris Zafar, a spokesman for the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, expressed a similar sentiment on CNN this morning.
Asked to respond to Geller’s assessment of the attacks as emblematic of a deeper “problem in Islam,” he explained that his faith actually embraces the belief that everyone should be allowed to voice an opinion without fear.

“We stand with her and with everyone who defends freedom of speech,” he said. “We believe that everyone has a right to speak their words, and our faith actually backs that up — it champions free speech.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/05/04/3654474/texas-shooting-american-muslims-defend-anti-islam-hate-groups-right-speak/

[boutons_deux]

“Even among people here in Washington that promulgate these ridiculous claims about the insidious Muslim menace in America, Spencer and Geller are seen as kind of an embarrassment."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/muslim-menace-in-america?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

But obviously, their behavior, plenty of Texas in and around Garland aren't embarrassed by Muslim haters and don't respect freedom of speech for Muslims.

[angrydude]

Girls who dress like whores deserve to get raped.

[m>s]

Boutons stop posting the kike edited version of the articles

[boutons_deux]

Anti-Islam Activist Pam Geller Compares Herself To Rosa Parks

Fox host Martha MacCallum noted that Geller has taken criticism from the staff of Charlie Hebdo and American conservatives such as Bill Donahue of the Catholic League.

Donald Trump also called Geller's actions "DUMB!" (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-garland-shooting) and said her cartoon contest was just "taunting" people.

Geller brushed off Trump's critique, and then rolled out an analogy that left MacCallum reeling.

"What would he have said about Rosa Parks?" Geller said. "'Rosa Parks should never have gone to the front of the bus. She's taunting people.'"

"No, no, no, where are you getting the Rosa Parks comparison?" MacCallum interrupted, before moving on.

"We need to have more of these conferences," Geller eventually said, blaming the Fox News and the rest of media for "empowering" the gunmen.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pam-geller-fox-news-rosa-parks?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

Fox empowers the gunmen? :lol

Gellar BAITED the gunmen.

[mingus]

Not being able to depict Mohammed and if you do you get killed is a dumb view. Describing Garland as baiting them is beside the point, really. The point is freedom of speech is a constitutional protected right.

[boutons_deux]

The point is freedom of speech is a constitutional protected right.

Gellar's point of a Mohammed cartoon contest was not freedom of speech, but insulting, trashing, ridiculing, inflaming, BAITING Muslims.

She got two killed, and probably gave one guard life-long, chronic ankle pain, and promoted herself as world-champion Muslim hater, which is sure to pay her grifting ass very well.

[CosmicCowboy]

LOL Boutons only likes freedom of HIS incoherent speech.

[The Reckoning]

Don't mess with Texas

[IceColdBrewski]

Gellar's point of a Mohammed cartoon contest was not freedom of speech, but insulting, trashing, ridiculing, inflaming, BAITING Muslims.


So, pretty much what you've done every day for the last 10 years. But we wouldn't want freedom of speech to extend to insulting a non-Christian now would we.

[m>s]

So, pretty much what you've done every day for the last 10 years. But we wouldn't want freedom of speech to extend to insulting a non-Christian now would we.

yep per his own admission he deserves to be shot

[RandomGuy]

Don't mess with Texas

pew pew pew.

Tweedle dum and tweedle dumber versus the Sully Sullenberger of pistol combat....

http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2014/122/3/d/yosemite_sam_by_irishmanreynolds-d7gv41h.jpg

[RandomGuy]

“Even among people here in Washington that promulgate these ridiculous claims about the insidious Muslim menace in America, Spencer and Geller are seen as kind of an embarrassment."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/muslim-menace-in-america?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

But obviously, their behavior, plenty of Texas in and around Garland aren't embarrassed by Muslim haters and don't respect freedom of speech for Muslims.



"Freedom of speech" doesn't really cover attacks with assault rifles.

If the jihadists were really smart they would pull off something like this at an NRA convention. Pick two caucasian converts, with some 30 round clips, start blasting away, then let the attendees kill each other in the crossfire. A perfect storm of "freedom to bear arms".

[TheSanityAnnex]

"Freedom of speech" doesn't really cover attacks with assault rifles.

If the jihadists were really smart they would pull off something like this at an NRA convention. Pick two caucasian converts, with some 30 round clips, start blasting away, then let the attendees kill each other in the crossfire. A perfect storm of "freedom to bear arms".

What the fuck is a 30 round clip? :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

So, pretty much what you've done every day for the last 10 years. But we wouldn't want freedom of speech to extend to insulting a non-Christian now would we.

boutons get your ass back in here and take your bitch slapping like a man

[ElNono]

tbh, boutons got excited there for a second.... shooting bubbas, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, etc...

[Aztecfan03]

Gellar's point of a Mohammed cartoon contest was not freedom of speech, but insulting, trashing, ridiculing, inflaming, BAITING Muslims.

She got two killed, and probably gave one guard life-long, chronic ankle pain, and promoted herself as world-champion Muslim hater, which is sure to pay her grifting ass very well.

People insult, trash, ridicule, inflame, and bait Christians all the time. We don't attack them for it.

[Clipper Nation]

Only Boutons_shill would try to argue that the people holding an art contest are the real bigots, not the people who try to kill others for poking fun at their religion.

[boutons_deux]

"Freedom of speech" doesn't really cover attacks with assault rifles.


When the Muslims tried to have peaceful meeting, the locals screamed at them, and tried to shut them down, wanted the school district to deny Muslims usage of the building.

The reason Gellar chose this venue to trash Muslims was that the Muslims had a meeting there where the locals harassed them. Goddam, you mofos are so out of it.

[The Reckoning]

buttons would have no problem if they were catholic

[The Reckoning]

"Freedom of speech" doesn't really cover attacks with assault rifles.

If the jihadists were really smart they would pull off something like this at an NRA convention. Pick two caucasian converts, with some 30 round clips, start blasting away, then let the attendees kill each other in the crossfire. A perfect storm of "freedom to bear arms".

i bet that would make you really happy. sorry for you that it didn't work out in your favor. thankfully for us, no one else was seriously harmed except the perpetrators.

[RandomGuy]

i bet that would make you really happy. sorry for you that it didn't work out in your favor. thankfully for us, no one else was seriously harmed except the perpetrators.

You know I thought about that very thing, and no, it wouldn't make me happy. Whatever amusement I might feel at such a happening would be more than tempered by the immense sadness of anyone getting actually hurt or killed. Life, even that of the perpetrators, is precious.

[RandomGuy]

When the Muslims tried to have peaceful meeting, the locals screamed at them, and tried to shut them down, wanted the school district to deny Muslims usage of the building.

The reason Gellar chose this venue to trash Muslims was that the Muslims had a meeting there where the locals harassed them. Goddam, you mofos are so out of it.

Heard about that, and it made me wince.

The muslim meeting was meant to be one promoting peace, forgiveness, and understanding. That is was met with an insulting art display says a lot about modern evangelical conservatives bloviating about "where are the moderate muslims, and why aren't they standing up against the extremists"

[Spurminator]

Both the massive protest of the peaceful Muslim event, and the Muhammed drawing event, were organized by Gellar's group.

I don't support violence, but I do support her going and fucking herself.

[boutons_deux]

Both the massive protest of the peaceful Muslim event, and the Muhammed drawing event, were organized by Gellar's group.

I don't support violence, but I do support her going and fucking herself.

Gellar says blaming her is like blaming a rape victim (but of course Repugs and Bible humpers do BLAME rape victims :lol ).

[angrydude]

Gellar says blaming her is like blaming a rape victim (but of course Repugs and Bible humpers do BLAME rape victims :lol ).

So which one is it?:lol

Or don't you believe a woman should be allowed to walk around nude and not get raped?

[The Reckoning]

although I don't personally agree with her reasons, and now I think she's idiotic to do so because she has a huge target on her back, she didn't use violence herself and practiced her rights.

some people need to remember that living well is the greatest revenge. not violence.

[SnakeBoy]

You know I thought about that very thing, and no, it wouldn't make me happy. Whatever amusement I might feel at such a happening would be more than tempered by the immense sadness of anyone getting actually hurt or killed. Life, even that of the perpetrators, is precious.

The fact that you had to think about whether it would make you happy says enough about you.

[CosmicCowboy]

https://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/l/t1.0-9/11139432_867044710000206_1684766542235663170_n.jpg ?oh=82a112924ac31aef98ece25e49aea10a&oe=55C42796

[RandomGuy]

The fact that you had to think about whether it would make you happy says enough about you.

I started to say something glib, and then realized that it was inappropriate. Should I not think about what I say?

You appear to be trying to say that a careful consideration of the facts is undesired.

Is that what you are getting at?

[SnakeBoy]

I started to say something glib, and then realized that it was inappropriate. Should I not think about what I say?

You appear to be trying to say that a careful consideration of the facts is undesired.

Is that what you are getting at?

You had to give careful thought about whether a terrorist attack on an NRA convention would make you happy.

[RandomGuy]

You had to give careful thought about whether a terrorist attack on an NRA convention would make you happy.

Thought yes, lengthy consideration, no. You wound me, sir.

I would still find it tragically ironic, were such a gather attacked using guns.

What I would find enormously funny, would be the Fox "news" blathering after such a thing that would invariably go along the lines of "see this is why we need to have more guns".

[TheSanityAnnex]

Thought yes, lengthy consideration, no. You wound me, sir.

I would still find it tragically ironic, were such a gather attacked using guns.

What I would find enormously funny, would be the Fox "news" blathering after such a thing that would invariably go along the lines of "see this is why we need to have more guns".

Your twisted little fantasy could play out just the opposite of what you'd hope for. Instead of a movie theatre like massacre ala James Holmes maybe the bad guys only kill one or two before being killed by some gun toting NRA members.

Your fantasy will never play out, people looking to commit mass murder aren't going to do so at a place where they know others are well armed.

[Spurminator]

Well, unless it's a suicide mission. I don't think the Garland Shooters really expected to make it out alive.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I found it really odd that there wasn't a single Muslim protesting the event.

[boutons_deux]

Ted Cruz blames Obama for Texas shooting (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/07/1382974/-Ted-Cruz-blames-Obama-for-Texas-shooting)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/135247/large/RTR4UIDB.jpg?1427126630

Sen. Ted Cruz accused the Obama administration Tuesday of bungling, asserting that federal officials should have intercepted the two men shot dead Sunday before they reached an anti-Muslim conference in Garland.“

Once again, as with Nidal Hasan and the Tsarnaev brothers, we have radical Islamic terrorists who this Administration knew about and yet failed to connect the dots and prevent this act of terrorism,” Cruz said.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/07/1382974/-Ted-Cruz-blames-Obama-for-Texas-shooting?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29#

[boutons_deux]

...

[Spurminator]

I found it really odd that there wasn't a single Muslim protesting the event.

I didn't. For one thing, most Muslims don't give a shit, and for another they might have been afraid to be anywhere near it.

[The Reckoning]

Wisconsin’s F*ck-The-Poor Food Stamps Bill Will Cost Millions, Totally Worth It

Gosh, absolutely no one could have seen this coming: Wisconsin’s exciting new bill to shame the poor (http://wonkette.com/584739/wisconsin-takes-lead-in-fck-the-poors-sweepstakes-now-you-cant-buy-beans-and-rice)– by sharply restricting what items can be bought with food stamps — would actually cost the state millions of dollars to implement, (http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/limits-on-food-stamp-choices-would-cost-state-millions-of-dollars-b99495676z1-302814621.html) even as the state learned that it won’t be raking in any new revenues due to tax cuts.

Turns out that if you actually want

to make sure EBT cards can’t be used to pay for wild, high-living luxury items like sharp cheddar cheese or white rice, you also have to develop and install new software for all the cash registers and scanners, so that the prohibited items can be excluded. That would come at a cost that the state’s budget office estimated (http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2015/related/fe/ab177/ab177_DHS.pdf) only as “several million dollars” — and possibly more.

Who knew?! Plus there’s the costs of drawing up the guidelines, managing the program, managing and updating the database of what foods the filthy takers would be allowed to buy, and so on. Food Police don’t work for free, after all (unless maybe the Masonic Police (http://wonkette.com/584876/secret-masonic-police-force-doing-secret-sht-from-hot-ca-attorney-generals-office-maybe) offer to help out).

Not a big deal, said one of the bill’s supporters, state Rep. Mark Born, a Republican who chairs the Public Benefit Reform Committee (and also represents a place called “Beaver Dam,”

http://wonkette.com/584932/wisconsins-fck-the-poor-food-stamps-bill-will-cost-millions-totally-worth-it




what the fuck does that have to do with anything in this thread?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Wisconsin’s F*ck-The-Poor Food Stamps Bill Will Cost Millions, Totally Worth It

Gosh, absolutely no one could have seen this coming: Wisconsin’s exciting new bill to shame the poor (http://wonkette.com/584739/wisconsin-takes-lead-in-fck-the-poors-sweepstakes-now-you-cant-buy-beans-and-rice)– by sharply restricting what items can be bought with food stamps — would actually cost the state millions of dollars to implement, (http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/limits-on-food-stamp-choices-would-cost-state-millions-of-dollars-b99495676z1-302814621.html) even as the state learned that it won’t be raking in any new revenues due to tax cuts.

Turns out that if you actually want

to make sure EBT cards can’t be used to pay for wild, high-living luxury items like sharp cheddar cheese or white rice, you also have to develop and install new software for all the cash registers and scanners, so that the prohibited items can be excluded. That would come at a cost that the state’s budget office estimated (http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2015/related/fe/ab177/ab177_DHS.pdf) only as “several million dollars” — and possibly more.

Who knew?! Plus there’s the costs of drawing up the guidelines, managing the program, managing and updating the database of what foods the filthy takers would be allowed to buy, and so on. Food Police don’t work for free, after all (unless maybe the Masonic Police (http://wonkette.com/584876/secret-masonic-police-force-doing-secret-sht-from-hot-ca-attorney-generals-office-maybe) offer to help out).

Not a big deal, said one of the bill’s supporters, state Rep. Mark Born, a Republican who chairs the Public Benefit Reform Committee (and also represents a place called “Beaver Dam,”

http://wonkette.com/584932/wisconsins-fck-the-poor-food-stamps-bill-will-cost-millions-totally-worth-it



:lmao so fired up to spam you can't even do it in the correct thread. You are worthless.

[ChumpDumper]

I found it really odd that there wasn't a single Muslim protesting the event.The Muslims in the area actively ignored it. Why do you think they would protest?

[TheSanityAnnex]

The Muslims in the area actively ignored it. Why do you think they would protest?

Muslim's around the world protest these type events, I find it odd US Muslims do not.

[DisAsTerBot]

I found it really odd that there wasn't a single Muslim protesting the event.

lol are you implying foreknowledge by every muslim?

[ChumpDumper]

Muslim's around the world protest these type events, I find it odd US Muslims do not.You find it odd that Islam is not a monolithic belief system?

[TheSanityAnnex]

lol are you implying foreknowledge by every muslim?

in Garland?

[DisAsTerBot]

in Garland?

most participants of the event and the gunmen themselves weren't from garland so why the parameters ?

but at the very least you are implying all the garland muslims knew. got it.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You find it odd that Islam is not a monolithic belief system?I already said what I found odd.

[TheSanityAnnex]

most participants of the event and the gunmen themselves weren't from garland so why the parameters ?

but at the very least you are implying all the garland muslims knew. got it.

How did you come to that conclusion? I never implied anything of the sort.

[RandomGuy]

Your twisted little fantasy could play out just the opposite of what you'd hope for. Instead of a movie theatre like massacre ala James Holmes maybe the bad guys only kill one or two before being killed by some gun toting NRA members.

Your fantasy will never play out, people looking to commit mass murder aren't going to do so at a place where they know others are well armed.

Again, I would hope that only the attackers would be the fatalities, but would not be surprised that the chaos would cause the trigger happy in the batch to fire in a panic.

Too many guns in a small space. Friendly fire is a very real phenomena.

[RandomGuy]

Ted Cruz blames Obama for Texas shooting (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/07/1382974/-Ted-Cruz-blames-Obama-for-Texas-shooting)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/135247/large/RTR4UIDB.jpg?1427126630

Sen. Ted Cruz accused the Obama administration Tuesday of bungling, asserting that federal officials should have intercepted the two men shot dead Sunday before they reached an anti-Muslim conference in Garland.“

Once again, as with Nidal Hasan and the Tsarnaev brothers, we have radical Islamic terrorists who this Administration knew about and yet failed to connect the dots and prevent this act of terrorism,” Cruz said.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/07/1382974/-Ted-Cruz-blames-Obama-for-Texas-shooting?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29#



Never let a tragedy go to waste to score cheap political points. Is anybody really surprised that Cruz found a way to blame Obama for this?

[ChumpDumper]

I already said what I found odd.Right, you found it odd that not all Muslims act the same as you believe they would.

[ChumpDumper]

most participants of the event and the gunmen themselves weren't from garland so why the parameters ?

but at the very least you are implying all the garland muslims knew. got it.Pretty sure the Muslims who had used the community center previously probably knew. I think I heard a report on the Texas Standard that they decided not to give a shit.

[m>s]

Muslim's around the world protest these type events, I find it odd US Muslims do not.
Because they're scared to do so, all around the world they do what they can get away with and they know that if they pull that bullshit here they'll get fucked up. I see those ragheads around here more and more these days and I mad dog the shit out of them. Might start playing the knockout game soon.

[Spurminator]

Because they're scared to do so, all around the world they do what they can get away with and they know that if they pull that bullshit here they'll get fucked up. I see those ragheads around here more and more these days and I mad dog the shit out of them. Might start playing the knockout game soon.

Be sure to record it.

[m>s]

^thatll get you caught, the idea is to drive the enemy from your land as efficiently as possible

[Winehole23]

I found it really odd that there wasn't a single Muslim protesting the event.I find it really commonsensical. Pamela Gellar pays for $10,000 extra for off duty cops to deal with angry Muslims at every event, plus, no person in their right mind who isn't a politically radical or extremist Muslim, would want to risk being mistaken for one.

[Spurminator]

^thatll get you caught, the idea is to drive the enemy from your land as efficiently as possible

Pussy.

[m>s]

No, intelligent

[pgardn]

Because they're scared to do so, all around the world they do what they can get away with and they know that if they pull that bullshit here they'll get fucked up. I see those ragheads around here more and more these days and I mad dog the shit out of them. Might start playing the knockout game soon.

Make sure and tell the board about your experience drawing prophet cartoons in Yemen.
And maybe do so before you actually go as we are unlikely to get a story after your travels.

Dont be stupid. The U.S. is clearly a Christian country, if one had to describe our religious leanings. And in Garland these guys were ready to die. Die for their cause. I thought you admired this kind of devotion/blind allegiance?

[boutons_deux]

"The U.S. is clearly a Christian country"

clearly, not this same old shit again! :lol

[pgardn]

"The U.S. is clearly a Christian country"

clearly, not this same old shit again! :lol




So by % of religious affiliation what would you label the U.S. ya GD idiot?
Wiccan?

GD retard...

[boutons_deux]

So by % of religious affiliation what would you label the U.S. ya GD idiot?
Wiccan?

GD retard...

For umpteenth time, the USA is a secular form of govt, NO religious affiliation, or preference, AT ALL.

A majority of US people claim to be Christian, but only Utah and its Mormon freakish cultists, founded by a murderer, achieve even 51% weekly church attendance. Claiming to be Christian doesn't mean ones goes to church, or practice Christianity in any other way.

iow, most Christians are very probably nominal Christian.

Which still leaves the USA FORM OF GOVERNMENT, at all levels, as Constitutionally SECULAR.

So your same old USA-is-a -Christian-country gets the same old Boutons' bitch slapping.

[pgardn]

For umpteenth time, the USA is a secular form of govt, NO religious affiliation, or preference, AT ALL.

A majority of US people claim to be Christian, but only Utah and its Mormon freakish cultists, founded by a murderer, achieve even 51% weekly church attendance. Claiming to be Christian doesn't mean ones goes to church, or practice Christianity in any other way.

iow, most Christians are very probably nominal Christian.

Which still leaves the USA FORM OF GOVERNMENT, at all levels, as Constitutionally SECULAR.

So your same old USA-is-a -Christian-country gets the same old Boutons' bitch slapping.

I am not talking about government for the love of God! (pun)

And so take the nominal Christians out and the U.S. is still vastly Christian.
Its not a liberal or conservative slant, it just is.
Some people do not like the fact that the circumference of a circle in 2-d is pi 3.14.. X Larger than the diameter instead of an even 3. I say tough shit, it is what it is.

Get it?

[pgardn]

So by % of religious affiliation what would you label the U.S. ya GD idiot?
Wiccan?

GD retard...

What about the above implies anything to do with government boots?
Ya GD fruitcake...

[m>s]

boutons is a raging psychopath it's best to ignore him/her

[Winehole23]

Treaty of Tripoli, passed unanimously in the US Senate in 1797:


ARTICLE 11. As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp

[Winehole23]

law of the land, bitches

[Winehole23]

we're not founded on the Christian religion.

[Winehole23]

so said the founders, in treaty form.

[boutons_deux]

America is a Christian country, Moses helped write the Constitution, the FFs created America to be a Christian theocracy, etc, etc. comprese the huge pack of LIES that the Christian Supremacist Taliban grifters indoctrinate their ignorant followers with, for profit, of course. The true God of the USA Christian grifters is the mammon of the adored god, the $$$.

"government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion"

As has been repeated ad nauseam, the GOVERNMENT is secular, and the GOVERNMENT guarantees, protects the right, the FREEDOM to practice any religion. Religious pluralism is the LAW OF THE LAND.

The GOVERNMENT is FORMALLY, LEGALLY, CONSTITUTIONALLY AGNOSTIC about any particular religions practiced by the citizens.

You FUCKING Christian supremacist Taliban are a much bigger threat to USA than Muslim terrorists.

Note there were only 2 Muslim shooters in Garland for the Muslim-baiting, Mohammed-trashing cartoon festival, but 10s if not 100s of "Christian" Taliban, lovingly Christ-like every one of them, aka, the Repug "base", screaming at, violenting intimidating the Muslims assembling for their own peaceful Garland meeting.

[pgardn]

Dont be stupid. The U.S. is clearly a Christian country, if one had to describe our religious leanings.

According to a 2014 survey, 78.5% of adults identified themselves as Christian (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_United_States),[234] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#cite_note-235)Protestant (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism) denominations accounted for 51.3%, while Roman Catholicism (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_the_United_States), at 23.9%, was the largest individual denomination.[235] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#cite_note-Pew-236) The total reporting non-Christian religions in 2012 was 4.9%, up from 4% in 2007.[235] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#cite_note-Pew-236) Other religions include Judaism (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews) (1.7%), Buddhism (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_the_United_States) (0.7%), Islam (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States) (0.6%), Hinduism (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_the_United_States) (0.4%), and Unitarian Universalism (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism) (0.3%).[235] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#cite_note-Pew-236) The survey also reported that 16.1% of Americans described themselves as agnostic (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism), atheist (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism) or simply having no religion (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion), up from 8.2% in 1990.[235] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#cite_note-Pew-236)[236] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#cite_note-ARIS-237)[237] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#cite_note-The_Future_of_the_Global_Muslim_Population-238) There are also Baha'i (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_Faith), Sikh (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh), Jain (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism), Shinto (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto), Confucian (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism), Taoist (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism), Druid (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Druidism), Native American (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_religion), Wiccan (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca), humanist (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_humanism) and deist (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism) communities.[238] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#cite_note-239)


Oh for Christ faking sakes, this has NOTHING to do with the constitution or any proclamation. Did you flipping read the bolded above? I'm sorry if you don't want the U.S. be made up largely of people who call themselves Christian. I'm also sorry you don't like the fact that gravity exists.

The above is a GD Wikipedia snippet describing our makeup. If you don't like the poll, then please tell me what religious affiliation people in the U.S. would affiliate with. It is not Islam.

Why is this so hard to accept?


Further, if you don't think the Constitution is based on Judeo-Christian ethics, you are just lying to yourself. Yes, the part about separation of church and state is even apart of freedom of the individual, an important part of this way of thinking.

Jesus...

Are you really this dense?
Or do you enjoy blatantly changing other poster's points, the overused "moving the goalposts"?

BTW. Indonesia is by far the largest Muslim country. Does this piss you off as well?

[boutons_deux]

pfartin, you're still full of bullshit.

Judaeo-Christian ethics are different from "humanistic" ethics, or Muslim, Hindu, or any Religion's ethics?

Are you assuming Judaeo-Christian ethics are superior to non-Judaeo-Christian ethics?

At which specific, or rough, %age of the population does "your Christian USA" become a your "non-Christian USA"?

And finally, so fucking what if the majority of Americans "claim" they are Christian, but don't go to church, don't live your Judaeo-Christian ethics?

[pgardn]

pfartin, you're still full of bullshit.

Judaeo-Christian ethics are different from "humanistic" ethics, or Muslim, Hindu, or any Religion's ethics?

Are you assuming Judaeo-Christian ethics are superior to non-Judaeo-Christian ethics?

At which specific, or rough, %age of the population does "your Christian USA" become a your "non-Christian USA"?

And finally, so fucking what if the majority of Americans "claim" they are Christian, but don't go to church, don't live your Judaeo-Christian ethics?





Yes. But it subtle. Can't be explained to you as you cannot absorb the most basic FACTS. So fuck trying to explain actual ideas.


Absolutely not.


When people in the U.S. who have a religious affiliation describe themselves as belonging to another major religion... You GD moron.

And this is your curtain call of stupidity.

I basically posted it was not a surprise when people enter areas that are largely affiliated with a religion not of their own and radical, and then proceed to act in a way to incite those zealots, well, that might not turn out well. But this somehow escaped you. Good catch Mr, Sandlot.

[pgardn]

Make sure and tell the board about your experience drawing prophet cartoons in Yemen.
And maybe do so before you actually go as we are unlikely to get a story after your travels.

Dont be stupid. The U.S. is clearly a Christian country, if one had to describe our religious leanings. And in Garland these guys were ready to die. Die for their cause. I thought you admired this kind of devotion/blind allegiance?

The above is not difficult.
Read AGAIN.

[Spurminator]

Pgardn's point is not that hard to grasp, but boutons is a keyword bot. Certain phrases will set him completely off, even if he agrees with your overall point.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Note there were only 2 Muslim shooters in Garland for the Muslim-baiting, Mohammed-trashing cartoon festival, but 10s if not 100s of "Christian" Taliban, lovingly Christ-like every one of them, aka, the Repug "base", screaming at, violenting intimidating the Muslims assembling for their own peaceful Garland meeting

Wow. You truly are a Muslim terrorist sympathizer.

[boutons_deux]

Pgardn's point is not that hard to grasp, but boutons is a keyword bot. Certain phrases will set him completely off, even if he agrees with your overall point.

pg's "point" is pointless bullshit.

Calling ALL of AMerica a "Christian country", whatever the fuck he or she means by that, simply because a majority of American claim nominally to be Christian is really pointless.

And of course sides with the Christian Taliban who want to replace the Constitution with the 10 Commandments and the Bible, the USA as a Christian theocracy, to the OBVIOUS disadvantage of non-Christians.

What IS his point of the phrase "Christian country". Is that different from, superior to countries he calls non-Christian?

[pgardn]

pg's "point" is pointless bullshit.

Calling ALL of AMerica a "Christian country", whatever the fuck he or she means by that, simply because a majority of American claim nominally to be Christian is really pointless.

And of course sides with the Christian Taliban who want to replace the Constitution with the 10 Commandments and the Bible, the USA as a Christian theocracy, to the OBVIOUS disadvantage of non-Christians.

What IS his point of the phrase "Christian country". Is that different from, superior to countries he calls non-Christian?

Jesus F'n Christ.

Read AGAIN!

[pgardn]

Make sure and tell the board about your experience drawing prophet cartoons in Yemen.
And maybe do so before you actually go as we are unlikely to get a story after your travels.

Dont be stupid. The U.S. is clearly a Christian country, if one had to describe our religious leanings. And in Garland these guys were ready to die. Die for their cause. I thought you admired this kind of devotion/blind allegiance?


This is addressed to m>s
Read what he wrote and you will, no you will not...

You are a knee jerk fool who gets set off by facts presented but utterly fail to comprehend the most obvious ideas.

[pgardn]

Pgardn's point is not that hard to grasp, but boutons is a keyword bot. Certain phrases will set him completely off, even if he agrees with your overall point.

[m>s]

America is a Christian country, Moses helped write the Constitution, the FFs created America to be a Christian theocracy, etc, etc. comprese the huge pack of LIES that the Christian Supremacist Taliban grifters indoctrinate their ignorant followers with, for profit, of course. The true God of the USA Christian grifters is the mammon of the adored god, the $$$.

"government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion"

As has been repeated ad nauseam, the GOVERNMENT is secular, and the GOVERNMENT guarantees, protects the right, the FREEDOM to practice any religion. Religious pluralism is the LAW OF THE LAND.

The GOVERNMENT is FORMALLY, LEGALLY, CONSTITUTIONALLY AGNOSTIC about any particular religions practiced by the citizens.

You FUCKING Christian supremacist Taliban are a much bigger threat to USA than Muslim terrorists.

Note there were only 2 Muslim shooters in Garland for the Muslim-baiting, Mohammed-trashing cartoon festival, but 10s if not 100s of "Christian" Taliban, lovingly Christ-like every one of them, aka, the Repug "base", screaming at, violenting intimidating the Muslims assembling for their own peaceful Garland meeting.


Christians protest Muslims go on shooting sprees and blow stuff up.

[boutons_deux]

Big Drop in Share of Americans Calling Themselves Christian

The Christian share of adults in the United States has declined sharply since 2007, affecting nearly all major Christian traditions and denominations, and crossing age, race and region, according to an extensive survey by the Pew Research Center (http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/).

Seventy-one percent of American adults were Christian in 2014, the lowest estimate from any sizable survey to date, and a decline of 5 million adults and 8 percentage points since a similar Pew survey in 2007.

The Christian share of the population has been declining for decades, but the pace rivals or even exceeds that of the country’s most significant demographic trends, like the growing Hispanic population. It is not confined to the coasts, the cities, the young or the other liberal and more secular groups where one might expect it, either.

“The decline is taking place in every region of the country, including the Bible Belt,”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/upshot/big-drop-in-share-of-americans-calling-themselves-christian.html?_r=0

So when do you Bible humpers stop calling America a "Christian country"? :lol give me a number, a percentage?

[pgardn]

Down to 71%

When one travels to the U.S. and asks what religion predominates, the answer is obviously what?
When one travels across the U.S., and notices places of worship they are predominately associated with what religion?


And I'm not even a Bible thumper but I can accept facts...
When 71% of Americans answer 'Flying Spaghetti Monster', you let us know, boots.
Why facts piss you off so much is revealing.

[boutons_deux]

Down to 71%

When one travels to the U.S. and asks what religion predominates, the answer is obviously what?
When one travels across the U.S., and notices places of worship they are predominately associated with what religion?


And I'm not even a Bible thumper but I can accept facts...
When 71% of Americans answer 'Flying Spaghetti Monster', you let us know, boots.
Why facts piss you off so much is revealing.

At what %age do you quit calling America a "Christian country"? And what is a "Christian country"? What differentiates it from a what you call a non-Christian country? And who GAF?

[pgardn]

Again.

When the the majority of people who affiliate with a religion call themselves something different than Christian.

Is this difficult?
Boots it's not even close right now. The U.S. is populated with people who affiliate with a religion. 71 % say they affiliate most closely with Christian beliefs.
Get over it.

[boutons_deux]

Again.

When the the majority of people who affiliate with a religion call themselves something different than Christian.

Is this difficult?
Boots it's not even close right now. The U.S. is populated with people who affiliate with a religion. 71 % say they affiliate most closely with Christian beliefs.
Get over it.

what you don't get is that "USA is Christian country" is useless, pointless, bullshit phrase.

[Spurminator]

what you don't get is that "USA is Christian country" is useless, pointless, bullshit phrase.

Unless it's being used to point out why Muslim extremists might have a more difficult time assassinating "blasphemers" here than in a country like Yemen, which is why pgardn brought it up.

You're not good at this.

[boutons_deux]

Unless it's being used to point out why Muslim extremists might have a more difficult time assassinating "blasphemers" here than in a country like Yemen, which is why pgardn brought it up.

You're not good at this.

Christian anti-choicers have violently harassed and assassinated abortion clinic staff and doctors.

[Spurminator]

Christian anti-choicers have violently harassed and assassinated abortion clinic staff and doctors.

And if this wasn't a country dominated by Christians, there would probably be a lot more backlash against them, doncha think?

[boutons_deux]

And if this wasn't a country dominated by Christians, there would probably be a lot more backlash against them, doncha think?

Christians were almost totally silent about the murders of abortion doctors, and equally silent, esp Christian leadership, as the Repugs invaded Iraq for oil.

[Spurminator]

Christians were almost totally silent about the murders of abortion doctors, and equally silent, esp Christian leadership, as the Repugs invaded Iraq for oil.

So you agree.

[CosmicCowboy]

Christian anti-choicers have violently harassed and assassinated abortion clinic staff and doctors.

Dang Boo. Had to reach all the way back to the 90's for random abortion murders.:rolleyes As reprehensible as they were I don't think you can compare them to the same scale as ISIS.

[ErnestLynch]

Hopefully we never see such a thing as 'The US Police'.

A GARLAND police officer shot ..not A 'suspected' jihadist but two real, in full body armor armed with AK-47's, jihadist knuckleheads.

Burn in hell, cocksuckers !!

[Nbadan]

a little about right-wing hero Pamela Geller..

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/pamela-geller

[boutons_deux]

Hopefully we never see such a thing as 'The US Police'.



Dept of Heimat Security and ICE, supported by NSA/CIA/FBI, serve quite well as los Federales policia.

[pgardn]

And if this wasn't a country dominated by Christians, there would probably be a lot more backlash against them, doncha think?

The last word in your post is a really tough ask for boots.