Tim Duncan: The Man, The Myth, The Overrated Fraud

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol great analysis

The year is 2004.

Tim Duncan is in his absolute prime. The Spurs have won a title in 2003 and will win another title in a year. Duncan is also coming off his second MVP season.


What does PRIME Duncan do? He goes to Athens as the leader of the United States Olympic team and the team loses three of eight games.

THREE ****** games.

Including a nineteen point loss to Puerto Rico.

And a six point win over Greece, a regular basketball powerhouse.



Now, before the Duncan apologists come flying in and say that the team was coached by Larry Brown and that lebron and wade were in pre-school, let me put Duncan's failure in context.

Popovich was also a coach of that team.

As much as we like to say James, Wade, and Melo weren't ready and joke that Marbury and Iverson were chuckers and cancers, every single one of our players would EASILY start for every other team in that tournament.

Sitting back and saying that Duncan didn't win because he had Marbury instead of Kobe Bryant is basically saying that Duncan needed a super-duper stacked team instead of one that simply featured 12 of the best twenty players in the tournament.

Duncan failed.

Miserably, terribly. I don't care that he shot 55%. He also averaged 13 points and nine rebounds.

Carmelo Anthony scored 37 points in 14 minutes in the this years Olympics. Duncan scored 103 in eight games. Coming off MVP seasons and title teams. He was supposed to be the best player in the world and by some people's lists, the 6-8th best player of all-time playing in his prime.

Give me a ******* break. What other top ten player of all-time goes over to Athens and loses three of eight games? I can't imagine Prime Magic Johnson being blown out by Puerto Rico.


Duncan's a great player. But he's overrated. He had a top 3 coach of all-time his entire career and was handed the keys to the franchise from day one. A GOAT front-office committed to building around him and worked magic season after season. He was always surrounded with talent and won his championships in down years. His one impressive playoffs series win came at the expense of a lakers team that was tearing themselves apart from within and running on the fumes of three straight 100+ game seasons.

Overrated.

[Koolaid_Man]

The spurs over the years have been so stacked TD Hasnt been asked to do much ,

The 1st half of his career he was Relied on to score mainly, which he still had alot of help doin that with TP And manu on his team

the 2nd half of his career he's been relied on 4 D# And rebounding

Kobe (Post shaq) And Lebron have took on all of the scoring load throughout most of dere careers and also had to be the best perimeter defender on there team and also playmake

Tim duncan had no pressure game in n game out like KB N LB Has had there whole careers ,

LB N KB>TD

[spurraider21]

:lmao gamefaqs forum
:lmao username Lord Kobe

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/2000208-sports-and-racing-nba/63821848

[DMC]

Kool and CTOA are basically the same person I think. They have similar posting styles, start multiple threads every day and almost all of them are juvenile shit about ass sex or farts or taking a shit.

[Mitch]

They should have just redesigned the bronze medal to reflect the utter failure of the 2004 US team lead by Tim Duncan.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FXR4SNXHL.jpg

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

They should have just redesigned the bronze medal to reflect the utter failure of the 2004 US team lead by Tim Duncan.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FXR4SNXHL.jpg

:lmao

[Infinite_limit]

Hello my Lord

[Darth_Pelican]

It's nice to see that you're concerned about Tim Duncan in the middle of the day on a Monday. Hopefully your food stamps arrive today so you can get out of the house for a bit.

[AlexJones]

They should have just redesigned the bronze medal to reflect the utter failure of the 2004 US team lead by Tim Duncan.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FXR4SNXHL.jpg

:lol wtf?

[Ignignokt]

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[Koolaid_Man]

They should have just redesigned the bronze medal to reflect the utter failure of the 2004 US team lead by Tim Duncan.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FXR4SNXHL.jpg

:lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

He never was able to lead his team to a repeat championship. Basically won 4 1/2 championships in NBA down years and got mollywhopped the next season when the target was on his back.

Never was a great scorer.

Never was a good one on one defender, but was an above average help defender.

Never was a great shot blocker.

Never was a great passing big man.

Never had to guard the opponents best player as he routinely ducked the bigtime bigs by switching between C and PF (wherever was easiest or most convenient for him at the time).

Pretty much just above average or average all around.

He had Bruce Bowen guarding all the perimeter great players the Spurs went against.

The guy has been a B-Average player his entire career. Never extraordinary at anything, just pretty good at everything.

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

He never was able to lead his team to a repeat championship. Basically won 4 1/2 championships in NBA down years and got mollywhopped the next season when the target was on his back.

Never was a great scorer.

Never was a good one on one defender, but was an above average help defender.

Never was a great shot blocker.

Never was a great passing big man.

Never had to guard the opponents best player as he routinely ducked the bigtime bigs by switching between C and PF (wherever was easiest or most convenient for him at the time).

Pretty much just above average or average all around.

He had Bruce Bowen guarding all the perimeter great players the Spurs went against.

The guy has been a B-Average player his entire career. Never extraordinary at anything, just pretty good at everything.

:lmao Fabricio Oberto guarding Shaq

[Koolaid_Man]

In his prime he never had a great back to the basket game. Duncan was a face up guy, mostly. Was damn good at it though. Less often he would face up and take a quick dribble drive into a pivot hook shot in front of the rim.

Tim had one move with his back to the basket. That's not considered a great back-to-the-basket game. Great is going too far. I consider "great" to be "dominant". Something you go to as your money maker. Duncan wasn't that guy.

His only option with his back to the basket was to pass out of a double team or go to the one back-to-the-basket post move at his disposal which was a one-dribble hook going middle.

Tim has always been more of a face up guy more than a back to the basket guy, even in his prime years.

I'd put him somewhere in between 12-16

[Koolaid_Man]

As for Duncan being a winner:

2001 Spurs led by Duncan
(Where Kobe officially became the best (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb5eifJpD-Q) player in the L. Shaq told the journalists something to remember: "I told Kobe he was my idol. I'm serious. He's playing phenomenal basketball. He's the best player in the league,by far.")



2004 USA team led by Duncan
(Bronze medal)



2006 Spurs led by Duncan
(Lost to Mavs with his tail between his legs after trying to duck the task of guarding Dirk the whole series)



2008 Spurs led by Duncan
(Gave up 20pt lead in Game 1 WCF and watched LA win 4-1)



2009 Spurs led by Duncan
(Duncan tried to duck the task of guarding Dirk again the whole series and his Spur team got bounced in the first round of the playoffs)



2010 Spurs led by Duncan
(Duncan led this Spur team to an embarrassing exit against the lowly Phoenix Suns. Jimmy D was exposed on the defensive side of the ball against Nash and co. over and over and over until it was 4-0 in the Suns favor.)



2011 Spurs led by Duncan
(Duncan led this team to history in the worst way. After several embarrassing defeats in the playoffs in the years prior, Duncan and his buds were poised to be regular season champs. Boy did that work out wrong. Duncan ended up leading them to history in all the wrong ways.

--2011 Spurs were destined to become the first team to ever go 44-8 through their first 52 games and NOT win the championship.

Their season ended by losing to the 8th seed in the first round of the playoffs - only the 4th time in NBA history somebody has choked that bad.




The Dwight Howard facial dunk at the buzzer all over Duncan pops up every now and then when reviewing Duncan's choke jobs but the ones listed above are the meat and potatoes.

The evidence is there, folks. Lots of choking.

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Jim's competition in the finals:

Marcus Camby
Larry Johnson
Kenyon Martin
Aaron Williams
Dikembe Mutombo
Rasheed Wallace
Ben Wallace
Big Z
Varejo
Bosh
Chris Andersen

:lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

B-Average player at everything. Wasn't extraordinary at anything.

If you have any basketball intelligence, you'll be able to inform us all of what Duncan was extraordinary at.




Was Duncan the greatest rebounder of all time? Not even close.

Was Duncan the greatest shot blocker of all time? Not even close.

Was Duncan the greatest scorer of all time? Not even close.

Was Duncan the greatest passing big man of all time? Not even close.

Was Duncan the greatest defender of all time? Not even close.

Was Duncan the greatest leader of all time? Not even close.

Was Duncan the greatest basketball athlete of all time? Not even close.


He just wasn't great at anything. Simply a B-Average player at everything.

No knock on him, I still list Duncan as a Top 20 player. His consistency is amazing.

[Koolaid_Man]

Duncan has played alongside Robinson (Who I believe is a better player than Duncan), the most athletic European player of all time and one of the greatest European players of all time in Manu, a Top 5 PG (at the time of the Spurs peak) in Tony Parker, and one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all time in Bowen.

He's had loads of talent. I'll give Duncan 03, that was incredible. But give credit to Parker who was the main reason the Spurs got by the Lakers.

'99, weak lockout year against the 8th seeded Knicks. Plus Robinson held his own.

2005? Duncan: 20/14/2/2 on 41%

Manu: 19/6/4 on 49%

Manu was arguably the Finals MVP in 05.


2007? Parker carried that team.

Duncan has played with a great amount of talent and he's had the luxury of playing weak teams (Knicks, Cavs, Nets) or worn out/tired teams (03 Lakers, 05 Pistons.) Whenever he faced great teams, his teams usually failed.

Like I said, he's still Top 20, but not in the ranks of Kobe, Shaq, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Jordan.

[cantthinkofanything]

Kool and CTOA are basically the same person I think. They have similar posting styles, start multiple threads every day and almost all of them are juvenile shit about ass sex or farts or taking a shit.

Yeah...because we're the only 2

[DMX7]

The year is 2015 and your shtick still sucks.

[cantthinkofanything]

Kool and CTOA are basically the same person I think. They have similar posting styles, start multiple threads every day and almost all of them are juvenile shit about ass sex or farts or taking a shit.

And I could never praise the Lakers or Kobe...no matter what. It's akin to letting another man lick your butthole.

[Koolaid_Man]

2007 Tony Parker lead the Spurs to a title while

Gooden shot 50% against Duncan and Varejao shot 67% against Duncan lol.

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

2007 Tony Parker lead the Spurs to a title while

Gooden shot 50% against Duncan and Varejao shot 67% against Duncan lol.
:lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

The year is 2015 and your shtick still sucks.
when Duncan goes up against the likes of Amare, Dirk, Shaq, or even Randolph, he gets lit up by them.

Bowen gets a pass because he actually shut down Lebron, Duncan let 2/3 of his guys shoot over 50%.

Players like KG, Kobe, Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Robinson, Hakeem were all able to thrive offensively while still exerting a huge amount of energy on defense. Sorry, Duncan doesn't get a pass on this one.

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Manu was da real 05 Finals MVP.

[Koolaid_Man]

For me Duncan's legacy is more based on the ridiculous amount of ref favoritism he has managed to accrue with his low-key personality and the fact that he is really really long. His basketball IQ isn't bad but it doesn't take a genius to get a rebound or lay it up over someone's head when you're 7 foot and you can reach the rafters. Everyone likes to overrate him because his personality and they kind of build this legend in their mind he's not athletic hes just brilliant basketball master, when in fact most of his advantage is that few players have managed to be that tall and have that long of arms.

People talk about him like he's some genius but he was gifted with the perfect PF/C size and has leveraged that well, along with playing with arguably the best coach in NBA history. Certainly I don't think he's deserving of the top 10. Some people are even putting him above Kobe, who had jackson but also sometimes bad teams and bad coaches, which is ridiculous when you consider he's just a cog in Popovic's system. I also don't think if you were a GM and not just a fan you would take Duncan over a lot of other players you usually put him ahead of because while he has held up well even at his peak he needs a decent team and legendary coaching to get deep in the playoffs. I will point out that when he went against the other top bigs of his era (early of course since there are no great bigs now) he didn't fair so great.

[Koolaid_Man]

I started this thread becuz everyone always talking about what a smart guy Duncan is and how he can play so well with no athleticism when they completely ignore that he has it easier than 99% of the NBA being as long as he is and really the evidence isn't there to say he's really smart. When he does give interviews he's a smart alec and he used "retard" as a derogatory word so what little evidence I've seen contradicts the stereotype about him. I shouldn't have include the ref favoritism part that's a whole nother thread.

[Koolaid_Man]

People claim that Duncan is the number 1 player of the 2000s and it's not even a discusssion. I just don't get that. Duncan has never dominated statistically on the level of a Shaq, Kobe or Lebron. Head to head he has more often than not came up small against Kobe. people claim that he's the consummate winner and laud him for his consistency. But somehow forget that everytime he wins he's had a STACKED team.

in 1999 and 2003, he's played with top 12 BIG MAN in history DAVID RObinson. and Robinson was still dominant in 1999. 2003 team had the greatest collection of role players in a championship team in a long time. Prime Stephen Jax, Bruce Bowen, tony parker, Manu, etc.

Since 2003, he's played with top 5 PG in the league Tony Parker and GREATEST euro player of all time Manu Ginobli. Yet he never catches any flack for having great help.

Tim Duncan is 3rd best player of this decade top 3 goes like this

Kobe Bryant
Shquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan

[Blizzardwizard]

Gamefaqs WTF :lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

To me KG is the greatest Power Forward to play this game....

Honestly I never respected Tim Duncan. Not for him as a person or his unselfishness on the court, but his career.


Duncan is not a power forward. He is a center that plays power forward. He played PF due to him playing with Robinson. Then when he retired, Duncan was too scared to play against Shaq when he was on the Lakers so he stayed in that position.

Also people really overlook how stacked those Spurs teams were. From the '99 team with Avery Johnson, Mario Ellie, Shawn ******, Robinson, etc. Then later Kerr, Stephen Jackson, Ginobili, Parker, etc. Let someone say KG had any body on his team close to that. None of his teammates were no where as good as even one of Duncan's. To me its impressive that KG lead his teams to the playoffs and lost in the WC Finals in 2004 with Sprewell and Cassell as his best teammates

And now on Duncan the player. As crazy as it may sound, Duncan was overrated. He is the perfect example of a system guy. Pop was the best at creating plays, and recognizing the talent he has and utilizing it to its greatest potential to succeed. One of the best half court executing teams. Duncan was not that great an individual talent offensively or defensively. He had a decent BBall IQ and utilized the "system" to perfection and had the physical tools to do so. Not to mention he was the ultimate team player. However have you seen Duncan put someone in a phone booth defensively or dominated someone offensively? What I'm basically saying is Duncan's greatness is predicated on Popovich's off and deff sets.

KG on the other hand never had a steady coach on the Wolves except for Flip Saunders for a few years. Was the anchor on defense on a poor defensive team. One of the best defensive players of any position IMO. An exceptional passer. Also one of the best footwork for a big man. Only Mchale and Olajuwon are in his league in that regard. Duncan's defense is again a "system" defense. He plays good defense on only power forwards since he really is a center anyway lol

To say Duncan is the best because of his titles is wrong, given his very talented teammates and hall of fame coach.
This is not a shot at Duncan to make KG look good. I am simply stating that he is not the player people portray him to be. Duncan should still be in the Hall of Fame obviously, but not in that all time elite status. KG, instead of Duncan, should be regarded as the greatest PF to ever play

[DarrinS]

KirbyFan is so jealous of Duncan :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

Facts are facts

[FromWayDowntown]

I love when the interwebs turn opinions into "facts."

[unforeseen]

OP is a faggot that copied a post from 2012 on gamefaqs.
:lol

[Splits]

At least he didn't play his last playoff game at age 33. Or head off into retirement leading his team to 3 straight lotteries.

[Malik Hairston]

This thread feels like the pre-metrics era, where people only used unquantifiable arguments:lol..

[Koolaid_Man]

This thread feels like the pre-metrics era, where people only used unquantifiable arguments:lol..

The Man, The Myth, The Sex Life

[spurraider21]

He never was able to lead his team to a repeat championship. Basically won 4 1/2 championships in NBA down years and got mollywhopped the next season when the target was on his back.

Never was a great scorer.

Never was a good one on one defender, but was an above average help defender.

Never was a great shot blocker.

Never was a great passing big man.

Never had to guard the opponents best player as he routinely ducked the bigtime bigs by switching between C and PF (wherever was easiest or most convenient for him at the time).

Pretty much just above average or average all around.

He had Bruce Bowen guarding all the perimeter great players the Spurs went against.

The guy has been a B-Average player his entire career. Never extraordinary at anything, just pretty good at everything.
:lmao ign boards
:lmao username Kobe Da Best
:lmao http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/tim-duncan-is-overrated-in-my-book.204737030/

[spurraider21]

:lmao kool's sources he is copying/pasting includes gamefaqs, ign, and the e coli forums

[Koolaid_Man]

:lmao kool's sources he is copying/pasting includes gamefaqs, ign, and the e coli forums

why is that a surprise....

[Koolaid_Man]

I work efficient...I'm not stupid...I'm a volume poster...and I believe that if you're not cheating you're not trying....

[The Reckoning]

funny.


keep entertaining.

[Koolaid_Man]

I think what's funny is that you thought I would even take the time to write all that up myself...I got bitches to fuck so I gotta do this shit fast :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

however facts are still facts...I in agreement with those Cats

[Silver&Black]

spurraider21 doing the Lord's work ITT....

:lmao gamefaq
:lmao ign

[LkrFan]

They should have just redesigned the bronze medal to reflect the utter failure of the 2004 US team lead by Tim Duncan.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FXR4SNXHL.jpg
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! :rollin :lmao :rollin

[Koolaid_Man]

spurraider21 doing the Lord's work ITT....

:lmao gamefaq
:lmao ign

no he's not...do you dim wits not think I wouldn't expect you to copypasta to try and find a source....you clowns always do EXACTLY what I expect...I'm always a step ahead you clowns...I know the outcome before I even engage...very calculating I am...

[LkrFan]

:lmao midnightpulp :lmao