Is Buck Harvey drunk?

[baseline bum]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Duncan-s-next-job-syncs-with-his-old-one-6239573.php

Imagine this frontline rotation: Duncan and Aldridge starting, with either Tiago Splitter or Boris Diaw backing up both. Better yet for Duncan, he could reduce his minutes. And if the Spurs can find a price point with Danny Green, and he and Leonard keep improving at the wing, wouldn’t the Spurs be stronger on paper than even 2014?

What a ridiculous article. Does he expect Duncan to play for free and Green to take a $4 million a year again? Because that's pretty much the only way that team could be built under the cap next season.

[baseline bum]

Maybe he's advocating salary dumping Splitter for nothing?

[Robz4000]

He said one of Diaw or Splitter, not both.

[DocDoc]

Tim could say "F-it" and play for the vet min.

[Russ]

Tim could say "F-it" and play for the vet min.

I think TD gets paid.

If Danny wants a whole lot he can go back to NY and turn back into a pumpkin.

[baseline bum]

Tim could say "F-it" and play for the vet min.

Not a chance. And I wouldn't want him to with the amount of work he puts in. It would be so easy to say "F-it" and let his preparation slip if he's being paid like he's Bonner.

[baseline bum]

I think TD gets paid.

If Danny wants a whole lot he can go back to NY and turn back into a pumpkin.

What would you pay Green? I'd be fine with $8 or $9 million a year, especially since his cap hit is only about $6 million.

[Russ]

What would you pay Green? I'd be fine with $8 or $9 million a year, especially since his cap hit is only about $6 million.

Sounds a bit high. I'd say about 6 (especially since that is his cap hit, whatever that means).

Seriously, I would not overpay for Green and I doubt the Spurs will. He's not a difference-maker he's an upper echelon role player.

If I'm the Spurs, I give Green a moral commitment to a long career at a reasonable salary (6-8 million a year).

Green has to weigh that against a higher salary for a year or two and then oblivion. Plus, if he goes to the Knicks for big jack he'll back reviled in his hometown for the rest of his days.

[baseline bum]

Sounds a bit high. I'd say about 6 (especially since that is his cap hit, whatever that means).

Seriously, I would not overpay for Green and I doubt the Spurs will. He's not a difference-maker he's an upper echelon role player.

If I'm the Spurs, I give Green a moral commitment to a long career at a reasonable salary (6-8 million a year).

Green has to weigh that against a higher salary for a year or two and then oblivion. Plus, if he goes to the Knicks for big jack he'll back reviled in his hometown for the rest of his days.

$6 million is pretty low for a quality role player, especially one who starts. I think $8 million would be a big hometown discount if Green signs for it, since that's what a sixth or seventh man was pulling in free agency last summer. The reason Green's cap hit is only $6 million is because it's 150% of his bargain basement $4 million contract he was on this season. So the cap hold the Spurs have on Green is $6 million, and they can go above that after making all their free agent signings. It's the exact same thing they're doing with Leonard since his cap hold is much smaller than the contract he'll end up getting. With the huge jump in revenue in 2016-17 thanks to the new TV deal, Green at $8-$10 million a year could look like a pretty good bargain contract after the first year.

[goliath]

I think if Aldridge wants to come here, its likely we do a sign and trade with Splitter (Port was preparing an offer sheet for him bf we signed him) or salary dump him and a first to a team with cap room. That would free up another 10 million or so

[Russ]

With the huge jump in revenue in 2016-17 thanks to the new TV deal, Green at $8-$10 million a year could look like a pretty good bargain contract after the first year.

Okay then, let's do it.

But does that keep us from signing LA? And is LA worth it.

Will he fit in, be effective? Will he clash with Pop?

Can/will he play D?

I could see it being the end of Pop if Aldridge is an overpaid prima dona.

I'm on the fence about LA -- a 6'11'' guy should shoot a higher %. On the other hand, he is a Horn.

[Robz4000]

I think if Aldridge wants to come here, its likely we do a sign and trade with Splitter (Port was preparing an offer sheet for him bf we signed him) or salary dump him and a first to a team with cap room. That would free up another 10 million or so

They were after Splitter so they could pair him with Aldridge. They won't S&T for Splitter if they're sending out LA in exchange.

[baseline bum]

Okay then, let's do it.

But does that keep us from signing LA? And is LA worth it.

Will he fit in, be effective? Will he clash with Pop?

Can/will he play D?

I could see it being the end of Pop if Aldridge is an overpaid prima dona.

I'm on the fence about LA -- a 6'11'' guy should shoot a higher %. On the other hand, he is a Horn.

To get Aldridge there are probably four possible scenarios:

Scenario #1: Duncan retires

Scenario #2: The Spurs renounce Green and he leaves, while Duncan signs for about $6 million

Scenario #3: The Spurs salary dump Splitter for nothing, or work a sign and trade with Portland

Scenario #4: The Spurs salary dump Parker

All four scenarios assume Manu retires.

[Das Texan]

Maybe he's advocating salary dumping Splitter for nothing?

I hope he is assuming one of Diaw/Splitter get moved (maybe in a S&T for Aldridge)


Else he must have been hanging out with Aron Baynes too much over the weekend.

[Das Texan]

$6 million is pretty low for a quality role player, especially one who starts. I think $8 million would be a big hometown discount if Green signs for it, since that's what a sixth or seventh man was pulling in free agency last summer. The reason Green's cap hit is only $6 million is because it's 150% of his bargain basement $4 million contract he was on this season. So the cap hold the Spurs have on Green is $6 million, and they can go above that after making all their free agent signings. It's the exact same thing they're doing with Leonard since his cap hold is much smaller than the contract he'll end up getting. With the huge jump in revenue in 2016-17 thanks to the new TV deal, Green at $8-$10 million a year could look like a pretty good bargain contract after the first year.


i hope they do something creative with Green. Maybe a 3-4 year deal w/ opt out after 1-2 years to take advantage of the new revenue streams.

regardless, if they can get green anywhere from 8-10 mil, i sign on the line that is dotted yesterday.

[Russ]

To get Aldridge there are probably four possible scenarios:

Scenario #1: Duncan retires

Scenario #2: The Spurs renounce Green and he leaves, while Duncan signs for about $6 million

Scenario #3: The Spurs salary dump Splitter for nothing, or work a sign and trade with Portland

Scenario #4: The Spurs salary dump Parker

All four scenarios assume Manu retires.

Nope. Too much.

[baseline bum]

i hope they do something creative with Green. Maybe a 3-4 year deal w/ opt out after 1-2 years to take advantage of the new revenue streams.

regardless, if they can get green anywhere from 8-10 mil, i sign on the line that is dotted yesterday.

Nah, I don't want to pay Green his market value under the new TV deal. This is the time to sign him for four years. Signing a short term hometown discount does nothing to help the Spurs cap figure unless he takes something ridiculously low like $4 million a year.

[baseline bum]

Nope. Too much.

They could also salary dump Diaw, but I think that would be a really hard sell to other teams after how lazy he was in Charlotte. And I don't want to lose Boris anyways since he's going to have to be the engine of the second unit with Manu likely retiring.

[DMX7]

Green wants back which means he'll probably take less to be here, but not too much less.

[Das Texan]

Nah, I don't want to pay Green his market value under the new TV deal. This is the time to sign him for four years. Signing a short term hometown discount does nothing to help the Spurs cap figure unless he takes something ridiculously low like $4 million a year.

i can understand that completely as well (the not paying green market value under the new deal)

they need to both just agree to 4/36 and be done with it, everyone is happy in the end.

[ThomasamohT]

or maybe Duncan signs for the vet minimum with a wink, wink agreement for max dollars next year.

[spurraider21]

we can dump any excess salary to the sixers for a pick, tbh :lol

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Green will likely sign for 8m/4yrs. Cuban could offer 10m, but I think Green takes the discount for the team that believed in him, made him a starter, and got him a nice piece of finger bling.

[FkLA]

Some of you have no idea what an elite role player is worth. Players that play amazing defense and break franchise records for 3s made don't grow on trees. It'd be nice if he gives a hometown discount but LDN deserves anything up to $10 mill per yr.

[baseline bum]

we can dump any excess salary to the sixers for a pick, tbh :lol

LOL, Splitter and the 2015 first for their 2015 second rounder?

[baseline bum]

Some of you have no idea what an elite role player is worth. Players that play amazing defense and break franchise records for 3s made don't grow on trees. LDN deserves anything up to $10 mill per yr.

What does LDN stand for?

[FkLA]

What does LDN stand for?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228819

[Spur|n|Austin]

What does LDN stand for?

Long Dick Ni**er

Extremely stupid.

[FkLA]

Long Dick Ni**er

Extremely stupid.

It's nigga. I have no idea how you or anyone else that does it can use the two words interchangeably. Two completely different meanings.

[Ocotillo]

I thought I read somewhere that Aldridge does not want to be a center and that is what he would be here if Duncan retires and Splitter is shipped out. Aldridge is a nice thought but I kind of doubt he ends up here.

[baseline bum]

Nope. Too much.

Definitely not simple. Not like 2003 when you had David Robinson retiring, freeing up about $10 million. And then Steve Smith's ridiculous $10 million contract coming off the books. There was no one they wanted to keep who could have walked, so it was just a case of "Hello Jason Kidd/Jermaine O'Neal, come and take our money."

[baseline bum]

I thought I read somewhere that Aldridge does not want to be a center and that is what he would be here if Duncan retires and Splitter is shipped out. Aldridge is a nice thought but I kind of doubt he ends up here.

No way the Spurs would trade Splitter if Duncan retires.

[TD 21]

Tim could say "F-it" and play for the vet min.

You're on the right path. They're not turning down a player of Aldridge's caliber for one final season of Duncan and Ginobili and they're obviously not disrespecting Duncan and Ginobili by asking them to play for the minimum.

Paying Duncan and Ginobili their worth (or at least, something close to it) under the table kills two birds with one stone, obviously gives the team their best possible chance at a championship and just might be the clincher for Aldridge.

[baseline bum]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228819

:lol Should have known it was from Harlem. What I guessed that stood for. The one I have no clue on the is PATFO front office.

[baseline bum]

You're on the right path. They're not turning down a player of Aldridge's caliber for one final season of Duncan and Ginobili and they're obviously not disrespecting Duncan and Ginobili by asking them to play for the minimum.

Paying Duncan and Ginobili their worth (or at least, something close to it) under the table kills two birds with one stone, obviously gives the team their best possible chance at a championship and just might be the clincher for Aldridge.

I would turn Aldridge down in a second for one more year of Duncan.

[Mugen]

I would turn Aldridge down in a second for one more year of Duncan.

+100000000000

[TD 21]

I would turn Aldridge down in a second for one more year of Duncan.

Right, but why pick one or the other when you could have both?

[tholdren]

No way the Spurs would trade Splitter if Duncan retires.

well then it doesnt matter who we get. Tim makes tiago look like a 3 million dollar player. If tim leaves tiago will look worse than Errors - no outside shot, no inside shot, no foul shot, cannot rebound. Why in the hell would you keep him there? The NBA doesn't have post players anymore, so to claim Tiago stays for defense is just not true. No need to keep him

[ViceCity86]

Amnesty Splitter

[therealtruth]

The Spurs have to improve through the draft, free agency, and internal improvement. If you're not improving you're getting left behind because everybody else is.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

They were after Splitter so they could pair him with Aldridge. They won't S&T for Splitter if they're sending out LA in exchange.

Not necessarily. Lopez is FA. And I don't see Portland resigning him if LA walks. Splitter is exactly the player to compliment Lillards pnr style of play. I see Portland doing this trade in a heartbeat. They can go after millsaps or such to replace LA.

[Vic Petro]

The agreement with Duncan should be that he takes a reduced salary and doesn't have to go on a road trip until the rodeo.