Why are you convinced KL is the future when he was outplayed by TD?

[tholdren]

Minutes played - 250 - Most on the Team with TIM DUNCAN (who also Played 250)


Leonard took the most shots on the team 109 only making 52 totaling 6th best FG% on the team, Leonard also led the team in TURNOVERS

Duncan led the team in FG%, Blocks, Rebounds and Steals... Tim at 38 with their two best players defending him, outplayed KL in every aspect, even though Redick and Barnes were defending him.

Max player? tim maybe, KL no thanks

[coachmac87]

You're comparing him to a top 5 player of all time.....just shows how great Timmy is more than anything tbh

[BatManu20]

The # of shitty thread popping up lately is alarming, tbh.

[Silver&Black]

I watched the Spurs play GS, HOU, and OKC at the very end of the year. All three teams had MVP candidates on their teams.

Kawhi Leonard was the best player on the court for all of those games....give the guy the max. He's the future of the team....dude hasn't even entered his prime yet.

[cd98]

Max him based on the potential he has shown. Even Pop said he must be more consistent. He was too inconsistent in this razor close series, which is a big (but not the only) reason we lost. That said, don't pay him the max and watch him become a star for the Lakers.

[TheGreatYacht]

Minutes played - 250 - Most on the Team with TIM DUNCAN (who also Played 250)


Leonard took the most shots on the team 109 only making 52 totaling 6th best FG% on the team, Leonard also led the team in TURNOVERS

Duncan led the team in FG%, Blocks, Rebounds and Steals... Tim at 38 with their two best players defending him, outplayed KL in every aspect, even though Redick and Barnes were defending him.

Max player? tim maybe, KL no thanks

[EVAY]

Max him based on the potential he has shown. Even Pop said he must be more consistent. He was too inconsistent in this razor close series, which is a big (but not the only) reason we lost. That said, don't pay him the max and watch him become a star for the Lakers.

I would agree with this.

[tholdren]

You're comparing him to a top 5 player of all time.....just shows how great Timmy is more than anything tbh
No, this is a 38 year old I am comparing him to. TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I think it just shows how not elite KL IS

[tholdren]

Max him based on the potential he has shown. Even Pop said he must be more consistent. He was too inconsistent in this razor close series, which is a big (but not the only) reason we lost. That said, don't pay him the max and watch him become a star for the Lakers.

Or pay him max and watch him shit his pants like parker has

[ElNono]

if we can trade OP in the offseason, now THAT would be a great move...

[loveforthegame]

I might be going out on a limb here.

Leonard is only 23 so the possibility of getting better is almost certain.

He was a PF in college and retooled his game to become one of the top SF in the league.

He's improved every season. (Defense, 3 point shot, mid range, post game) But that doesn't mean he doesn't have room to get better still. (Consistency, double teams, ball handling, passing, drawing fouls)

He was basically just given the keys a couple months ago but people are expecting perfection too soon. It's a process.

Last but not least. If people are going to be comparing him to Duncan at every turn then you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Those shoes cannot be filled. That doesn't mean Leonard can't be a leader or franchise player post Duncan in his own way.

[RD2191]

if we can trade OP in the offseason, now THAT would be a great move...

[RD2191]

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kawhi-leonard-stats-vs-lebron-june-2014.jpg

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/dam/assets/141025212656-20141025-nba-rising-kawhi-leonard-00002527.1200x672.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CPYEit4.jpg

[RD2191]

http://i.imgur.com/IU8YzkE.png

[RD2191]

http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/27eb3ce/2147483647/resize/652x%3E/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2F27%2F620aef6b6cc0e63c2724589b1f 9d42%2Fmedia%3Acfc7b9f51e794cfbae1901f964da5fc2NBA DefensivePlayerBasketball.JPEG

[cd98]

Or pay him max and watch him shit his pants like parker has

Every team would take the Spur success during the Parker extension. You overdo the criticism. Every max is a risk. Hell Durrant is the perfect example. He could be the best player in the league during his next few years as a max player, or he could ride the IR. I don't see a better candidate than Kawhi to max right now given the options. You know he works hard and has character. I see him as much less of a risk than a lot of players. I'd take him over Melo if you compare him to when he was up to the max.

[spurraider21]

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kawhi-leonard-stats-vs-lebron-june-2014.jpg
didnt lebron average 28 ppg on 57% shooting in the finals?

[RD2191]

didnt lebron average 28 ppg on 57% shooting in the finals?
other players guarded him, not just kawhi. kawhi did great when he was on him, faggot.

[TXstbobcat]

He is young, super talented and is the current defensive POY. We should all be sending Larry Bird thank you notes for making that trade.

[spurraider21]

other players guarded him, not just kawhi. kawhi did great when he was on him, faggot.
:lol mad when presented with facts

[tholdren]

I might be going out on a limb here.

Leonard is only 23 so the possibility of getting better is almost certain.

He was a PF in college and retooled his game to become one of the top SF in the league.

He's improved every season. (Defense, 3 point shot, mid range, post game) But that doesn't mean he doesn't have room to get better still. (Consistency, double teams, ball handling, passing, drawing fouls)

He was basically just given the keys a couple months ago but people are expecting perfection too soon. It's a process.

Last but not least. If people are going to be comparing him to Duncan at every turn then you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Those shoes cannot be filled. That doesn't mean Leonard can't be a leader or franchise player post Duncan in his own way.

And I think he is the leader in his own way - leading the spurs to first round exits.

[tholdren]

other players guarded him, not just kawhi. kawhi did great when he was on him, faggot.
Conveniently forget the part when KL could have won the game for the spurs then missed his FTS... is there a picture for that?

http://bendavidwong.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/screen-shot-2013-06-22-at-7-03-40-pm.png

[Kool Bob Love]

^ great minds....

[Kool Bob Love]

594728825520562176
594728204574666753
594727941310812160
594723100249300994




594728435525636096

http://38.media.tumblr.com/22e5a3927361f63d25215453bfdd83c9/tumblr_n1nx7dC3yB1qhub34o1_500.gif

[TheGreatYacht]

^ facts...

[RD2191]

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kawhi-leonard-stats-vs-lebron-june-2014.jpg

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/dam/assets/141025212656-20141025-nba-rising-kawhi-leonard-00002527.1200x672.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CPYEit4.jpg

[RD2191]

:lol mad when presented with facts
what part of with kawhi guarding him did you not understand?

[RD2191]

http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/27eb3ce/2147483647/resize/652x%3E/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2F27%2F620aef6b6cc0e63c2724589b1f 9d42%2Fmedia%3Acfc7b9f51e794cfbae1901f964da5fc2NBA DefensivePlayerBasketball.JPEG

[Kool Bob Love]

594723643566882816


594702179954331649

.... FkLA (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17213)

[TheGreatYacht]

Conveniently forget the part when KL could have won the game for the spurs then missed his FTS... is there a picture for that?

http://bendavidwong.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/screen-shot-2013-06-22-at-7-03-40-pm.png

[RD2191]

Your defensive and offensive numbers take a huge hit when this guy is your starting PG.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDAYXvQUgAAoekZ.jpg

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I wish kawhi got the ball when Jamal Crawford was on him in The 4th. It sucks Enrique had other plans.* Dribble dribble dribble dribble 20ft jumper clank*

[loveforthegame]

And I think he is the leader in his own way - leading the spurs to first round exits.

That's your belief. Enjoy rooting for him to fail. Just keep thinking of all those "I told you so" posts you can make.

Don't be mad because some of us believe otherwise.

[Kool Bob Love]

I wish kawhi got the ball when Jamal Crawford was on him in The 4th. It sucks Enrique had other plans.* Dribble dribble dribble dribble 20ft jumper clank*



594702179954331649

.... FkLA (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17213)

[RD2191]

ON/OFF COURT IMPACT
Virtually everyone is aware of the on/off impact that Kawhi Leonard has had this year with the Spurs. When Kawhi's on the court, they've played excellent ball. When he's not, they've been... shaky, to say the least. Fewer are aware of the fact that Tony Parker's on-court presence has been essentially the opposite. With Parker on the court, San Antonio has been outscored by one point (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/on-off/2015/). Their defense has been atrocious and their offense has been below par. With Parker off, they've been absolutely excellent, outscoring opponents by 7.6 points. Here are some simple numbers on San Antonio's team performance with Tony Parker on and off the court from the current season:
http://gothicginobili.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Screen-Shot-2015-01-29-at-10.38.29-AM-1024x134.png

[RD2191]

http://gothicginobili.com/?p=7573

[RD2191]

Not all measures agree with this assessment of the Spurs’ point guards (if you’re a diehard PER partisan, you’re not going to find this persuasive), but Parker and Joseph’s on/off court numbers this season support the case: ESPN’s on-court impact metric (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1) has Cory Joseph ranked a respectable 21stamong all NBA point guards, with Tony Parker coming in at 75. The Spurs just aren’t playing as well when Parker is on the floor.


http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2014/12/31/need-talk-tony-parker/

[tholdren]

Not all measures agree with this assessment of the Spurs’ point guards (if you’re a diehard PER partisan, you’re not going to find this persuasive), but Parker and Joseph’s on/off court numbers this season support the case: ESPN’s on-court impact metric (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1) has Cory Joseph ranked a respectable 21stamong all NBA point guards, with Tony Parker coming in at 75. The Spurs just aren’t playing as well when Parker is on the floor.


http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2014/12/31/need-talk-tony-parker/

I guess I dont understand the point here. I was inquiring about KL and him being outplayed by Tim. Why are you posting last year's stats and throwing Parker in here? I dont want Tony either.

[Silver&Black]

This thread turned out exactly like I thought....

:lol Same 4 player fans arguing with each other

[RD2191]

Parker's erratic play has been a big reason for San Antonio's regression on offense this season. The Spurs' offensive rating sits at just 103.6 this season, which is a pedestrian 12th in the league, per NBA.com. (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1)

The picture gets even uglier for Parker when you look at how San Antonio has performed with him on the floor. The Spurs have an offensive rating of just 101.6 in Parker's 1,213 minutes this season, the lowest of any regular rotation player, per NBA.com. (http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612759/onoffcourt/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1) San Antonio's net rating is a poor negative-2.5 with Parker on the floor, compared to 8.2 with him on the bench (http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612759/onoffcourt/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1), a stunning difference.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/24/8101513/tony-parker-struggling-stats-synergy-sports-spurs

[RD2191]

Your defensive and offensive numbers take a huge hit when this guy is your starting PG.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDAYXvQUgAAoekZ.jpg

[Kool Bob Love]

This thread turned out exactly like I thought....

:lol Same 4 player fans arguing with each other


Is this not a Kawhi thread? Player fans need to tAke the parker talk else where

[spurraider21]

what part of with kawhi guarding him did you not understand?
do you have lebron's FG% with kawhi on/off him?

[tholdren]

This thread turned out exactly like I thought....

:lol Same 4 player fans arguing with each other

Sorry, Im a Spurs fan. I just call them like I see them, and when Pop's bonehead loyalty minutes get in the way, I like to bitch on Spurstalk. I actually like KL, but wouldnt pay him the max, and I understand someone else will. Same story when Spurs signed splitter for 9 million. Why do that? Let someone else do that. Tiago cannot win a series, and in fact, is a liability in all the big ones. Similarly, KL had his chance to take over - played the minutes, got the touches, couldnt finish, but a 38 year old could?

I dont see how that goes and makes a MAXPLAYER statement. I think all the player-fans want KL as a max simply due to his FMVP, which means absolutely zero in my book. I would rather have wins than any personal trophies. KL was kept in check by a scrub player (barnes) and Redick ran him ragged on offense.

To be honest, I dont know what the spurs do. But selling the whole thing and putting Leonard in charge is not smart in my opinion.

[RD2191]

do you have lebron's FG% with kawhi on/off him?
sure don't. don't really care though. still the mvp and dpoy.

[tholdren]

sure don't. don't really care though. still the mvp and dpoy.
Also the one who lost the 13 finals, and the one who couldnt lead the Spurs past the benchless clippers, and the 20yo who was outplayed on offense AND defense by the oldest player in the league

[Horse]

He's improved every year and been very respectful to not step on toes. He's still hesitant to take over cause of respect what the fuck more do you want?

[Kool Bob Love]

He's improved every year and been very respectful to not step on toes. He's still hesitant to take over cause of respect what the fuck more do you want?

1-7 in the fourth tho.

[tholdren]

He's improved every year and been very respectful to not step on toes. He's still hesitant to take over cause of respect what the fuck more do you want?
LOLOLOLOL

Im sure thats EXACTLY what he is doing.

KL most minutes in playoffs
KL most shots in playoffs
KL most TOs in playoffs.

reason - dont want to step on toes.

WE TO LO

[RD2191]

Also the one who lost the 13 finals, and the one who couldnt lead the Spurs past the benchless clippers, and the 20yo who was outplayed on offense AND defense by the oldest player in the league
Also the Finals MVP. Also the reason the Spurs stopped getting bounced early in the playoffs. Also the DPOY. Also a huge reason Duncan has 5. Yeah, that guy sucks.:lol

[Kool Bob Love]

Also the Finals MVP. Also the reason the Spurs stopped getting bounced early in the playoffs. Also the DPOY. Also a huge reason Duncan has 5. Yeah, that guy sucks.:lol

We bounce in the 1st round this year. Thanks Kawhi.

[Kool Bob Love]

LOLOLOLOL

Im sure thats EXACTLY what he is doing.

KL most minutes in playoffs
KL most shots in playoffs
KL most TOs in playoffs.

reason - dont want to step on toes.

WE TO LO

dont forget pop baby him all season too. 1st his hand, than his eye, knee probelms at 23? SMH.

[tholdren]

Also the Finals MVP. Also the reason the Spurs stopped getting bounced early in the playoffs. Also the DPOY. Also a huge reason Duncan has 5. Yeah, that guy sucks.:lol

Living in the past bro. Who cares about the individual awards when you cannot score on matt barnes?

[RD2191]

We bounce in the 1st round this year. Thanks Kawhi.
Thank Parker for being the worst player statistically in the playoffs.

[RD2191]

Living in the past bro. Who cares about the individual awards when you cannot score on matt barnes?
The highest player on our team couldn't score on Austin Rivers.

[Kool Bob Love]

Thank Parker for being the worst player statistically in the playoffs.

Kawhi was the worst player this series.

[SupremeGuy]

Kawhi is already a better player than porker ever was or will ever be.

[tholdren]

The highest player on our team couldn't score on Austin Rivers.
I dont disagree with Parker playing like trash, he did. I disagree with saying KL is the best player on the team when Tim and Patty outplayed him.

[Kool Bob Love]

Kawhi is already a better player than porker ever was or will ever be.

https://vine.co/v/e79qhEvYpH2

[RD2191]

I dont disagree with Parker playing like trash, he did. I disagree with saying KL is the best player on the team when Tim and Patty outplayed him.
Tim and Patty did not outplay him. You're on some crack if you believe that. He sucked games 5-7 but Parker chucked in 2 of those games without trying to get Kawhi involved.

[tholdren]

https://vine.co/v/e79qhEvYpH2

DPOY

[tholdren]

Tim and Patty did not outplay him. You're on some crack if you believe that. He sucked games 5-7 but Parker chucked in 2 of those games without trying to get Kawhi involved.

Jesus..




Rk
Player
Age
G
MP
PER ▾
TS%
3PAr
FTr
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%

OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48

OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP


1
Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
38
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01/gamelog/2015/)
250
24.0
.595
.011
.378
7.9
26.0
16.6
16.0
1.8
3.1
6.3
20.1

0.8
0.4
1.2
.228







2
Patrick Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html)
26
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02/gamelog/2015/)
112
23.2
.744
.667
.310
3.7
14.8
9.1
11.9
0.9
0.0
9.5
21.1

0.5
0.1
0.6
.261







3
Marco Belinelli (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/belinma01.html)
28
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/belinma01/gamelog/2015/)
116
20.5
.727
.769
.333
1.8
10.5
6.0
14.1
0.9
0.0
10.1
19.2

0.5
0.1
0.5
.215







4
Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)
23
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/gamelog/2015/)
250
19.7
.571
.239
.321
5.4
17.2
11.1
12.5
1.6
1.3
10.8
25.0

0.5
0.2
0.7
.142

[RD2191]

Jesus..




Rk
Player
Age
G
MP
PER ▾
TS%
3PAr
FTr
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%

OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48

OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP


1
Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
38
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01/gamelog/2015/)
250
24.0
.595
.011
.378
7.9
26.0
16.6
16.0
1.8
3.1
6.3
20.1

0.8
0.4
1.2
.228







2
Patrick Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html)
26
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02/gamelog/2015/)
112
23.2
.744
.667
.310
3.7
14.8
9.1
11.9
0.9
0.0
9.5
21.1

0.5
0.1
0.6
.261







3
Marco Belinelli (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/belinma01.html)
28
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/belinma01/gamelog/2015/)
116
20.5
.727
.769
.333
1.8
10.5
6.0
14.1
0.9
0.0
10.1
19.2

0.5
0.1
0.5
.215







4
Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)
23
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/gamelog/2015/)
250
19.7
.571
.239
.321
5.4
17.2
11.1
12.5
1.6
1.3
10.8
25.0

0.5
0.2
0.7
.142







Yes, because PER is the end all be all.

[RD2191]

We probably gave one away when Rivers went MVP on Mills.

[tholdren]

Yes, because PER is the end all be all.

[tholdren]

We probably gave one away when Rivers went MVP on Mills.

[RD2191]

2014-2015 POSTSEASON GAME LOG


DATE
OPP
SCORE
MIN
FGM-FGA
FG%
3PM-3PA
3P%
FTM-FTA
FT%
REB
AST
BLK
STL
PF
TO
PTS


Sat 5/2


@

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


L 109-111 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790959)
33
5-13
.385
1-4
.250
2-2
1.000
10
1
0
0
4
1
13


Thu 4/30


vs

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


L 96-102 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790957)
40
3-15
.200
1-3
.333
5-6
.833
7
2
0
0
2
4
12


Tue 4/28


@

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


W 111-107 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790954)
36
5-16
.313
0-3
.000
8-10
.800
9
3
0
0
5
2
18


Sun 4/26


vs

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


L 105-114 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790952)
40
10-19
.526
3-6
.500
3-4
.750
7
5
1
0
1
0
26


Fri 4/24


vs

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


W 100-73 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790950)
29
13-18
.722
3-5
.600
3-3
1.000
4
1
2
3
1
1
32


Wed 4/22


@

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


W 111-107 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790947)
39
9-16
.563
2-3
.667
3-4
.750
9
3
1
1
2
3
23


Sun 4/19


@

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


L 92-107 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790945)
33
7-12
.583
1-2
.500
3-6
.500
6
3
0
4
3
4
18


Conference Quarterfinals
35.7
7.4-15.6
.477
1.6-3.7
.423
3.9-5.0
.771
7.4
2.6
0.6
1.1
2.6
2.1
20.3


POSTSEASON STATS
MIN
FGM-FGA
FG%
3PM-3PA
3P%
FTM-FTA
FT%
REB
AST
BLK
STL
PF
TO
PTS


Averages
35.7
7.4-15.6
.477
1.6-3.7
.423
3.9-5.0
.771
7.4
2.6
0.6
1.1
2.6
2.1
20.3


Totals
250
52-109
.477
11-26
.423
27-35
.771
52
18
4
8
18
15
142




Kawhi

[RD2191]

2014-2015 POSTSEASON GAME LOG


DATE
OPP
SCORE
MIN
FGM-FGA
FG%
3PM-3PA
3P%
FTM-FTA
FT%
REB
AST
BLK
STL
PF
TO
PTS


Sat 5/2


@

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


L 109-111 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790959)
16
2-6
.333
2-4
.500
0-0
.000
1
1
0
1
0
0
6


Thu 4/30


vs

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


L 96-102 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790957)
18
1-2
.500
1-2
.500
2-2
1.000
3
3
0
0
1
1
5


Tue 4/28


@

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


W 111-107 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790954)
15
4-5
.800
4-4
1.000
1-1
1.000
4
0
0
0
4
2
13


Sun 4/26


vs

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


L 105-114 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790952)
20
4-10
.400
2-5
.400
4-4
1.000
3
2
0
0
3
1
14


Fri 4/24


vs

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


W 100-73 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790950)
15
2-5
.400
2-4
.500
0-0
.000
3
0
0
0
1
0
6


Wed 4/22


@

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


W 111-107 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790947)
19
5-9
.556
2-5
.400
6-6
1.000
3
1
0
1
4
0
18


Sun 4/19


@

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


L 92-107 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790945)
11
3-5
.600
3-4
.750
0-0
.000
2
1
0
0
2
1
9


Conference Quarterfinals
16.3
3.0-6.0
.500
2.3-4.0
.571
1.9-1.9
1.000
2.7
1.1
0.0
0.3
2.1
0.7
10.1


POSTSEASON STATS
MIN
FGM-FGA
FG%
3PM-3PA
3P%
FTM-FTA
FT%
REB
AST
BLK
STL
PF
TO
PTS


Averages
16.0
3.0-6.0
.500
2.3-4.0
.571
1.9-1.9
1.000
2.7
1.1
0.0
0.3
2.1
0.7
10.1


Totals
112
21-42
.500
16-28
.571
13-13
1.000
19
8
0
2
15
5
71




Mills

[RD2191]

2014-2015 POSTSEASON GAME LOG


DATE
OPP
SCORE
MIN
FGM-FGA
FG%
3PM-3PA
3P%
FTM-FTA
FT%
REB
AST
BLK
STL
PF
TO
PTS


Sat 5/2


@

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


L 109-111 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790959)
37
11-16
.688
0-0
.000
5-8
.625
11
1
0
0
3
0
27


Thu 4/30


vs

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


L 96-102 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790957)
32
6-9
.667
0-0
.000
0-2
.000
13
3
0
0
4
1
12


Tue 4/28


@

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


W 111-107 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790954)
39
8-13
.615
0-0
.000
5-6
.833
11
4
1
3
3
1
21


Sun 4/26


vs

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


L 105-114 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790952)
38
8-13
.615
0-0
.000
6-10
.600
14
3
3
2
6
2
22


Fri 4/24


vs

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


W 100-73 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790950)
31
2-6
.333
0-0
.000
0-2
.000
7
4
3
1
1
1
4


Wed 4/22


@

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


W 111-107 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790947)
44
14-23
.609
0-1
.000
0-1
.000
11
4
1
2
5
1
28


Sun 4/19


@

LAC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers)


L 92-107 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400790945)
30
4-10
.400
0-0
.000
3-5
.600
11
4
2
1
4
1
11


Conference Quarterfinals
35.9
7.6-12.9
.589
0.0-0.1
.000
2.7-4.9
.559
11.1
3.3
1.4
1.3
3.7
1.0
17.9


POSTSEASON STATS
MIN
FGM-FGA
FG%
3PM-3PA
3P%
FTM-FTA
FT%
REB
AST
BLK
STL
PF
TO
PTS


Averages
35.7
7.6-12.9
.589
0.0-0.1
.000
2.7-4.9
.559
11.1
3.3
1.4
1.3
3.7
1.0
17.9


Totals
250
53-90
.589
0-1
.000
19-34
.559
78
23
10
9
26
7
125




Duncan

[RD2191]

As you can see, Kawhi most def outplayed Mills and both he and Duncan had 3 bad games in the series.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, gotta give the nod to Duncan in this series.

Kawhi is on his way though. No shame in Duncan's being better.

[tholdren]

Throw out the one beat down game (100-73 w) and what did he do? To claim that mills and duncan didnt outplay him is just silly. We have to have players like Mills and Marco due to the fact that we DONT have a player that can takeover. He got worked by Barnes. Simple.

[RD2191]

Well Duncans Game 6 wasn't too bad.

[RD2191]

Throw out the one beat down game (100-73 w) and what did he do? To claim that mills and duncan didnt outplay him is just silly. We have to have players like Mills and Marco due to the fact that we DONT have a player that can takeover. He got worked by Barnes. Simple.
Stats don't lie brother. Now you can say Mills outplayed our starting PG because he most certainly did but he didn't outplay Kawhi. Simple.

[tholdren]

Stats don't lie brother. Now you can say Mills outplayed our starting PG because he most certainly did but he didn't outplay Kawhi. Simple.
LOL go away

[RD2191]

LOL go away
Why? Can't handle the truth?

[TheGreatYacht]

https://vine.co/v/e79qhEvYpH2
Rogen got out this bitch with the quickness

[RD2191]

So what is your plan Kawhi haters? Let the DPOY and a Finals MVP walk? Who are we going to replace him with? I'll wait for some answers.

[The Reckoning]

Kawhi didn't match up well with the Clips. No biggie.

[Russ]

The success of both Leonard and Green is largely the product of the Spurs' system.

Leonard has more talent than Green, but he still shines at an All-Star level because of the system he's in.

Both are outstanding players but they are lucky to be where they are.

Hopefully, both will remember that.

[RD2191]

Rogen got out this bitch with the quickness
sup scott? post some game pics.

[loveforthegame]

I actually like KL, but wouldnt pay him the max, and I understand someone else will. Same story when Spurs signed splitter for 9 million. Why do that? Let someone else do that.

Wait. You'd rather let Leonard walk for nothing?

Also curious what you think he's worth?


Living in the past bro.

This is gold. You're one of the first to bring up Leonard's missed fts a couple years ago.

[RD2191]

The success of both Leonard and Green is largely the product of the Spurs' system.

Leonard has more talent than Green, but he still shines at an All-Star level because of the system he's in.

Both are outstanding players but they are lucky to be where they are.

Hopefully, both will remember that.
Kawhi would average better numbers if he wasn't on the Spurs. Green probably won't but Kawhi would.

[tholdren]

The success of both Leonard and Green is largely the product of the Spurs' system.

Leonard has more talent than Green, but he still shines at an All-Star level because of the system he's in.

Both are outstanding players but they are lucky to be where they are.

there is no system after tim manu

Hopefully, both will remember that.

[Clipper Nation]

We bounce in the 1st round this year. Thanks Kawhi.
Thanks Enrique. We wouldn't still be playing without his selfishness, heroball, and obsession with the two-man game. Rique, you the real MVP. :toast

[TheGreatYacht]

The success of both Leonard and Green is largely the product of the Spurs' system.

Leonard has more talent than Green, but he still shines at an All-Star level because of the system he's in.

Both are outstanding players but they are lucky to be where they are.

Hopefully, both will remember that.

[RD2191]

Thanks Enrique. We wouldn't still be playing without his selfishness, heroball, and obsession with the two-man game. Rique, you the real MVP. :toast
Enrique actually thought he could hang with CP3.:lmao

[RD2191]

sup scott? post some game pics.

[RD2191]

Yes, I'm sure Kawhi's number would take a huge hit without MVParkers assist and playmaking abilities.:lmao:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Whether or not he will play up to it, Kawhi is going to get the max or close enough to where it won't matter.

Just be happy the Spurs have a guy like that.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I'm not trying to hate on Kawhi but, I'm not quite sure exactly what he'll be. Consistently missing crucial freethrows is a bad sign for a franchise-leading SF.

The thing is...I think Rudy Gobert is gonna be a total beast.

Would Utah trade their young potential 20 and 12 center for a young defensive player of the year with an improving mid-range jumper?

I think we should find out.

Timmy+Gobert would be ridiculous. That's all I'm saying.

[RD2191]

I'm not trying to hate on Kawhi but, I'm not quite sure exactly what he'll be. Consistently missing crucial freethrows is a bad sign for a franchise-leading SF.

The thing is...I think Rudy Gobert is gonna be a total beast.

Would Utah trade their young potential 20 and 12 center for a young defensive player of the year with an improving mid-range jumper?

I think we should find out.

Timmy+Gobert would be ridiculous. That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, it's an embarrassment that you're bolded with such shit takes, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm not trying to hate on Kawhi but, I'm not quite sure exactly what he'll be. Consistently missing crucial freethrows is a bad sign for a franchise-leading SF.

The thing is...I think Rudy Gobert is gonna be a total beast.

Would Utah trade their young potential 20 and 12 center for a young defensive player of the year with an improving mid-range jumper?

I think we should find out.

Timmy+Gobert would be ridiculous. That's all I'm saying.

[RD2191]

Our back up 37 year old SG averaged more assist than our starting PG this series yet Kawhi is a product of the system.:lmao

[RD2191]

thegreatyacht post pics of the spurs game you went to bruh

[Clipper Nation]

Are Riquesuckers really gonna pretend this shit never happened?

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3931087/parkerft.gif

At least Kawhi's misses still go anywhere near the rim :lol

[tholdren]

Yeah, it's an embarrassment that you're bolded with such shit takes, tbh.
So a franchise player, being defended by MATT BARNES, should have to get an 8th man to bail him out? You love KL, that's cool, but it's about the franchise. Would I take KL for 9-10 mil, yep. He's a great defender, offensively he's coming along, but he cannot dominate or control tempo. You have to do that to justify getting paid. cant hit a ft = no payment, if it were my bank account

[Kool Bob Love]

Are Riquesuckers really gonna pretend this shit never happened?



At least Kawhi's misses still go anywhere near the rim :lol

Conveniently forget the part when KL could have won the game for the spurs then missed his FTS... is there a picture for that?

http://bendavidwong.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/screen-shot-2013-06-22-at-7-03-40-pm.png

[RD2191]

Your defensive and offensive numbers take a huge hit when this guy is your starting PG.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDAYXvQUgAAoekZ.jpg


ON/OFF COURT IMPACT
Virtually everyone is aware of the on/off impact that Kawhi Leonard has had this year with the Spurs. When Kawhi's on the court, they've played excellent ball. When he's not, they've been... shaky, to say the least. Fewer are aware of the fact that Tony Parker's on-court presence has been essentially the opposite. With Parker on the court, San Antonio has been outscored by one point (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/on-off/2015/). Their defense has been atrocious and their offense has been below par. With Parker off, they've been absolutely excellent, outscoring opponents by 7.6 points. Here are some simple numbers on San Antonio's team performance with Tony Parker on and off the court from the current season:
http://gothicginobili.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Screen-Shot-2015-01-29-at-10.38.29-AM-1024x134.png


Parker's erratic play has been a big reason for San Antonio's regression on offense this season. The Spurs' offensive rating sits at just 103.6 this season, which is a pedestrian 12th in the league, per NBA.com. (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1)

The picture gets even uglier for Parker when you look at how San Antonio has performed with him on the floor. The Spurs have an offensive rating of just 101.6 in Parker's 1,213 minutes this season, the lowest of any regular rotation player, per NBA.com. (http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612759/onoffcourt/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1) San Antonio's net rating is a poor negative-2.5 with Parker on the floor, compared to 8.2 with him on the bench (http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612759/onoffcourt/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1), a stunning difference.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/24/8101513/tony-parker-struggling-stats-synergy-sports-spurs


Not all measures agree with this assessment of the Spurs’ point guards (if you’re a diehard PER partisan, you’re not going to find this persuasive), but Parker and Joseph’s on/off court numbers this season support the case: ESPN’s on-court impact metric (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1) has Cory Joseph ranked a respectable 21stamong all NBA point guards, with Tony Parker coming in at 75. The Spurs just aren’t playing as well when Parker is on the floor.


http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2014/12/31/need-talk-tony-parker/
ouch

[tholdren]

again, we all knew Parker blew/blows = not news. The difference is you think KL can handle being the man. He cannot - hence Patty and Marco hitting the biggest shots that TIm didnt hit

[RD2191]

Kawhi led the team Games 1-4. Not many players play great for 7 straight games. And as I said, who do you want to replace him?

[TheGreatYacht]

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[Clipper Nation]

We had no answer for Kawhi until a certain blob of cancerous fat froze him out of the entire series. He won DPOY this year and FMVP last year. Pretty sure he can handle being "the man."

[RD2191]

Your defensive and offensive numbers take a huge hit when this guy is your starting PG.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDAYXvQUgAAoekZ.jpg


ON/OFF COURT IMPACT
Virtually everyone is aware of the on/off impact that Kawhi Leonard has had this year with the Spurs. When Kawhi's on the court, they've played excellent ball. When he's not, they've been... shaky, to say the least. Fewer are aware of the fact that Tony Parker's on-court presence has been essentially the opposite. With Parker on the court, San Antonio has been outscored by one point (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/on-off/2015/). Their defense has been atrocious and their offense has been below par. With Parker off, they've been absolutely excellent, outscoring opponents by 7.6 points. Here are some simple numbers on San Antonio's team performance with Tony Parker on and off the court from the current season:
http://gothicginobili.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Screen-Shot-2015-01-29-at-10.38.29-AM-1024x134.png


Not all measures agree with this assessment of the Spurs’ point guards (if you’re a diehard PER partisan, you’re not going to find this persuasive), but Parker and Joseph’s on/off court numbers this season support the case: ESPN’s on-court impact metric (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1) has Cory Joseph ranked a respectable 21stamong all NBA point guards, with Tony Parker coming in at 75. The Spurs just aren’t playing as well when Parker is on the floor.


http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2014/12/31/need-talk-tony-parker/


Parker's erratic play has been a big reason for San Antonio's regression on offense this season. The Spurs' offensive rating sits at just 103.6 this season, which is a pedestrian 12th in the league, per NBA.com. (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1)

The picture gets even uglier for Parker when you look at how San Antonio has performed with him on the floor. The Spurs have an offensive rating of just 101.6 in Parker's 1,213 minutes this season, the lowest of any regular rotation player, per NBA.com. (http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612759/onoffcourt/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1) San Antonio's net rating is a poor negative-2.5 with Parker on the floor, compared to 8.2 with him on the bench (http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612759/onoffcourt/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1), a stunning difference.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/24/8101513/tony-parker-struggling-stats-synergy-sports-spurs

[Kool Bob Love]

We had no answer for Kawhi until a certain blob of cancerous fat froze him out of the entire series. He won DPOY this year and FMVP last year. Pretty sure he can handle being "the man."

1-7 on the fourth in game 7.

[Clipper Nation]

1-7 on the fourth in game 7.
Have you ever seen the movie "The Blob"? That movie pretty much sums up what Enrique did to Kawhi's production in the last few games.

[mkurts]

Leonard is the future because he is younger, he can catch a ball and he can defend.

[RD2191]

:lmaocn

[Kool Bob Love]

Have you ever seen the movie "The Blob"? That movie pretty much sums up what Enrique did to Kawhi's production in the last few games.

Kawhi robbed Jordan blind of the DPOY award.

[RD2191]

Kawhi robbed Jordan blind of the DPOY award.
Are you still in your shitty apartment?

[TheGreatYacht]

Are you still in your shitty apartment?
How often do you ride your scooter?

[Kool Bob Love]

Are you still in your shitty apartment?

Stick to the fuckinng thread topic scooter. Okay?

[wildchild]

Kawhi led the team Games 1-4. Not many players play great for 7 straight games. And as I said, who do you want to replace him?

Kawhi was the Spurs leading scorer in the all series.

[RD2191]

How often do you ride your scooter?


Stick to the fuckinng thread topic scooter. Okay?
Every day, tbh. And I make more money and get more pussy than both of you faggots. You mad hoes?

[TheGreatYacht]

Every day, tbh. And I make more money and get more pussy than both of you faggots. You mad hoes?

http://youtu.be/T3AeRbqhi0I

[Kool Bob Love]

Every day, tbh. And I make more money and get more pussy than both of you faggots. You mad hoes?

Cringe worthy post. The more pussy and money talk. Damn.

[Clipper Nation]

http://youtu.be/T3AeRbqhi0I
:lol Rique already spending that overpaid contract on a scooter, I see.

[Kool Bob Love]

:lol Rique already spending that overpaid contract on a scooter, I see.

See you gonna skip over the basketball talk too? Clown.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Cringe worthy post. The more pussy and money talk. Damn.

[RD2191]

http://youtu.be/T3AeRbqhi0I
Scott can you afford a scooter? I mean you afford Spurs game tickets right? Because you posted pics of a Spurs game in a thread right?

[Brazil]

:lol Rique already spending that overpaid contract on a scooter, I see.

You ate a clown for breakfast or something ?

[RD2191]

See you gonna skip over the basketball talk too? Clown.
You're getting shit on by the entire forum again nolyfescrub. What more is there to talk about? Kawhi is the future.

[RD2191]

:lol Rique already spending that overpaid contract on a scooter, I see.
:lmao

[Brazil]

Kawhi did not have a great serie tbh and this has nothing with parker suckiness. Putting him on Paul was not a good idea, still he is Spurs future, he will get a max offer was decisive last year run... Not too shabby for a 23 y/o traded for George hill

[wildchild]

KL most minutes in playoffs
KL most shots in playoffs
KL most TOs in playoffs.



Your analysis is so biased.
Why your stats don't say he was the Spurs leading scorer and second best rebounder?

20.3ppg 7.4rpg

And why your stats ignore that he was the defensive assignment on Redick who scored only 13ppg in all series??

Those things on both sides of the court worth the max in the league for all teams.

[TheGreatYacht]

Parker's shittyness only hurt Kawhi :cry

Duncan & Marco never had to be on the court with him :cry

Kawhi went 1-7 in the 4th quarter of Game 7, but he gave it his all :cry

[RD2191]

Parker's shittyness only hurt Kawhi :cry

Duncan & Marco never had to be on the court with him :cry

Kawhi went 1-7 in the 4th quarter of Game 7, but he gave it his all :cry
Parker makes every player on the team worse. The stats are there to back it up. When are you going to post more game pics?

[TheGreatYacht]

Parker makes every player on the team worse. The stats are there to back it up. When are you going to post more game pics?

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[RD2191]

Your defensive and offensive numbers take a huge hit when this guy is your starting PG.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDAYXvQUgAAoekZ.jpg


ON/OFF COURT IMPACT
Virtually everyone is aware of the on/off impact that Kawhi Leonard has had this year with the Spurs. When Kawhi's on the court, they've played excellent ball. When he's not, they've been... shaky, to say the least. Fewer are aware of the fact that Tony Parker's on-court presence has been essentially the opposite. With Parker on the court, San Antonio has been outscored by one point (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/on-off/2015/). Their defense has been atrocious and their offense has been below par. With Parker off, they've been absolutely excellent, outscoring opponents by 7.6 points. Here are some simple numbers on San Antonio's team performance with Tony Parker on and off the court from the current season:
http://gothicginobili.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Screen-Shot-2015-01-29-at-10.38.29-AM-1024x134.png


Not all measures agree with this assessment of the Spurs’ point guards (if you’re a diehard PER partisan, you’re not going to find this persuasive), but Parker and Joseph’s on/off court numbers this season support the case: ESPN’s on-court impact metric (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1) has Cory Joseph ranked a respectable 21stamong all NBA point guards, with Tony Parker coming in at 75. The Spurs just aren’t playing as well when Parker is on the floor.


http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2014/12/31/need-talk-tony-parker/


Parker's erratic play has been a big reason for San Antonio's regression on offense this season. The Spurs' offensive rating sits at just 103.6 this season, which is a pedestrian 12th in the league, per NBA.com. (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1)

The picture gets even uglier for Parker when you look at how San Antonio has performed with him on the floor. The Spurs have an offensive rating of just 101.6 in Parker's 1,213 minutes this season, the lowest of any regular rotation player, per NBA.com. (http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612759/onoffcourt/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1) San Antonio's net rating is a poor negative-2.5 with Parker on the floor, compared to 8.2 with him on the bench (http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612759/onoffcourt/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1), a stunning difference.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/24/8101513/tony-parker-struggling-stats-synergy-sports-spurs
I'm just here to state facts, tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

So who's going to be the face of the franchise if Kawhi walks and Duncan/Manu retire? Enrique? Good luck with that :lol

[tim_duncan_fan]

We know Parker sucks.

The point of this thread is, can Kawhi propel us toward a championship as the main guy or do we need to make a move while plenty of people around the league and within the organization and the fandom still believe he can?

[daslicer]

So who's going to be the face of the franchise if Kawhi walks and Duncan/Manu retire? Enrique? Good luck with that :lol

Whoever is our future lottery pick.

[loveforthegame]

Why not wait to see who they surround Leonard with first? We talk all the time how hard it is to win a championship. How all the pieces have to be in place. So what time limit does Leonard get before we call it a success or failure?

[wildchild]

We know Parker sucks.

The point of this thread is, can Kawhi propel us toward a championship as the main guy or do we need to make a move while plenty of people around the league and within the organization and the fandom still believe he can?

Maybe you forget that Tim won 3 rings with all star players like prime Manu and Tony in his peak.

Where's those players for Kawhi now?
He is and will be a great player but if you expect he win a ship with Patty/CoJo instead of prime Tony or Beli instead of the best Manu...you're not being very realistic

[Stabula]

Kawhi Leonard is a great player but I'm very hesitant to say he deserves max money. Sadly, the Spurs have no real choice in the matter they HAVE to give him the max because if they don't then another team will. Just because another shitty franchise is willing to throw max money loosely doesn't mean that it's what Kawhi is actually worth. There's a reason why most franchises are where they are: out fishing with no rings to show for their entire basketball history, and it's because they make bad FO decisions and give players big pay-days that they don't merit. So yes Kawhi will be back in the silver and black next year enjoying his max contract but mark my words, he is NOT a go-to offensive player. He just isn't. What he is, is an elite perimeter defender who excels at turning defense into break-away dunks, solid rebounder, and has a little bit of a post game. The Spurs desperately need someone to run the offense through because Parker can't do it anymore except for spurts and Kawhi needs most of his energy to maintain his elite defense.

[RD2191]

Leading scorer in the Finals and the leading scorer during our end of the season win streak. Not a go to guy though.:lol

[Clipper Nation]

Ugh, every single Kawhi hater's takes reek of vanilla extract.

[wildchild]

Leading scorer in the Finals and the leading scorer during our end of the season win streak. Not a go to guy though.:lol

Don't forget..."a little bit of post game".

[tim_duncan_fan]

Maybe you forget that Tim won 3 rings with all star players like prime Manu and Tony in his peak.

Where's those players for Kawhi now?
He is and will be a great player but if you expect he win a ship with Patty/CoJo instead of prime Tony or Beli instead of the best Manu...you're not being very realistic

I never implied Tim did anything alone, but up until at least 06-07, he was unquestionably THE guy (and really he was THE guy after that, despite not being the biggest team scorer).

We need to figure out if we CAN build around Kawhi, if such a thing would be wise.

[Stabula]

Leading scorer in the Finals and the leading scorer during our end of the season win streak. Not a go to guy though.:lol

Clippers series showed us what happens when teams start game-planning for the Spurs running the offense through Kawhi instead of Tony. The offense was the most fluid when the bench was on the floor. Spurs tried to run it through Kawhi in that series but his defense suffered, perhaps as a direct result. Kawhi could be a good #2 option on offense, but your success will be much more limited trying to run it all through him.

[TheGreatYacht]

Ugh, every single Kawhi hater's takes reek of vanilla extract.
Yours reek of estrogen but you don't see us bitching about it

[Clipper Nation]

Yours reek of estrogen but you don't see us bitching about it
Scott, aka Joe, with the bads.

[99 Problems]

TD outplays everybody. No disgrace there.

[Kool Bob Love]

Scott, aka Joe, with the bads.

Matt Barnes tho?

[wildchild]

I never implied Tim did anything alone, but up until at least 06-07, he was unquestionably THE guy (and really he was THE guy after that, despite not being the biggest team scorer).

We need to figure out if we CAN build around Kawhi, if such a thing would be wise.

I'd say no.
Not in this Spurs offensive system having only 12-13 FGA in the regular season.

Spurs system isn't designed for a wing like Kawhi take protagonism in all games, he isn't a shooter like Korver or involved in many pick&roll plays.
He can have great games because he's that good, but not because the system help him to score.
Contrary to what people usually think about him as "system player", this system limit him offensively.

As a Spurs fan, I'd like to see Kawhi playing long time in SA but honestly...he should find another team to fit offensively and play his strengths.

[neboat]

anyone know who is the statue on the Defensive Player Award?

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/aa6532c45fd5e13b9014afd8652ebd839f594762/c=576-0-4032-3456&r=x233&c=210x230/local/-/media/2015/04/24/KENS/KENS/635654317954222436-BKN-NBA-Defensive-Player-of-the-Year-trophy.jpg

[Malik Hairston]

Kawhi is extremely limited by the way the system is built, unfortunately..he'll never reach his full ceiling, consistently, unless the broken system is altered to suit his style..

I don't believe he's an ideal #1 scorer, I've said it for a while, you shouldn't build your offense around a SF(unless it's Lebron), but he's still clearly worth max money and proved that he's a top 10 impact player, this year..the Spurs haven't had a legit #1 guy since prime Duncan, though, and it hasn't stopped them from reaching 2 Finals and winning 1..

[wildchild]

Clippers series showed us what happens when teams start game-planning for the Spurs running the offense through Kawhi instead of Tony. The offense was the most fluid when the bench was on the floor. Spurs tried to run it through Kawhi in that series but his defense suffered, perhaps as a direct result. Kawhi could be a good #2 option on offense, but your success will be much more limited trying to run it all through him.

Not sure if that's true. Or the Spurs did a really bad job giving him the ball or that wasn't the Pop's game plan.

How you plan run the offense through a player and then that player don't get the ball for long 4-5 minutes.

When a coach have a player as main option, and the post up game of that player makes him a mismatch against most of guards in the league, the coach will involve him in most of the plays to exploit it.

That wasn't the case with Pop when Kawhi was guarding by Rivers or Crawford.

[midnightpulp]

Kawhi is extremely limited by the way the system is built, unfortunately..he'll never reach his full ceiling, consistently, unless the broken system is altered to suit his style..

I don't believe he's an ideal #1 scorer, I've said it for a while, you shouldn't build your offense around a SF(unless it's Lebron), but he's still clearly worth max money and proved that he's a top 10 impact player, this year..the Spurs haven't had a legit #1 guy since prime Duncan, though, and it hasn't stopped them from reaching 2 Finals and winning 1..

Yep. I want Kawhi to be a "Pippen" on offense. I think limiting his offensive load in that sense will maximize his defensive impact, where he could be historically great. Just because he's isn't the first option, doesn't mean he's not the team's best player.

LMA, your Pippen is waiting.

[Malik Hairston]

Matt Barnes outplayed Harden tonight, btw:lol..they were covering each other for most of the game, too..

[wildchild]

Kawhi is extremely limited by the way the system is built, unfortunately..he'll never reach his full ceiling, consistently, unless the broken system is altered to suit his style...

Agreed. Sadly, the league will never see what is prime Kawhi able to do playing to his strengths.

If he signs a long term deal this summer he should demand a trade after a one or two seasons or risk stalling his game under the Spurs system.
But maybe he's too loyal and team-first guy, to do that.



the Spurs haven't had a legit #1 guy since prime Duncan, though, and it hasn't stopped them from reaching 2 Finals and winning 1..

I'd add the 2007 Finals, too. 3 Finals and 2 rings. Not bad at all...

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Not sure if that's true. Or the Spurs did a really bad job giving him the ball or that wasn't the Pop's game plan.

How you plan run the offense through a player and then that player don't get the ball for long 4-5 minutes.

When a coach have a player as main option, and the post up game of that player makes him a mismatch against most of guards in the league, the coach will involve him in most of the plays to exploit it.

That wasn't the case with Pop when Kawhi was guarding by Rivers or Crawford.

Kawhi post ups may work sometimes but we saw how well the Clippers were able to defend it after a while. Plus posting up a player can take about 12-14 seconds to set up and this slows down the offense. If a team decides to double him then he is forced to dribble out which can take 4-5 seconds more. Now he is left with 6-8 seconds to make a move to the basket against a defense that has time to reset. Unfortunately, Kawhi does not have the offensive skill set to get to the rim and he is usually forced to take a contested jumper of beyond 12 feet.
If I'm an opposing coach I would gladly take a contested jumper than that Spurs beautiful basketball which involved something going to the rim of an open three.

[RD2191]

Kawhi post ups may work sometimes but we saw how well the Clippers were able to defend it after a while. Plus posting up a player can take about 12-14 seconds to set up and this slows down the offense. If a team decides to double him then he is forced to dribble out which can take 4-5 seconds more. Now he is left with 6-8 seconds to make a move to the basket against a defense that has time to reset. Unfortunately, Kawhi does not have the offensive skill set to get to the rim and he is usually forced to take a contested jumper of beyond 12 feet.
If I'm an opposing coach I would gladly take a contested jumper than that Spurs beautiful basketball which involved something going to the rim of an open three.
Parker killed the Spurs beautiful basketball. Scrub chucked all series.

[Clipper Nation]

anyone know who is the statue on the Defensive Player Award?

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/aa6532c45fd5e13b9014afd8652ebd839f594762/c=576-0-4032-3456&r=x233&c=210x230/local/-/media/2015/04/24/KENS/KENS/635654317954222436-BKN-NBA-Defensive-Player-of-the-Year-trophy.jpg
Pretty sure that's Enrique squatting for the dick, tbh.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Agreed. Sadly, the league will never see what is prime Kawhi able to do playing to his strengths.

If he signs a long term deal this summer he should demand a trade after a one or two seasons or risk stalling his game under the Spurs system.
But maybe he's too loyal and team-first guy, to do that.




I'd add the 2007 Finals, too. 3 Finals and 2 rings. Not bad at all...

Why would a young player that has had the level of success both individually and as a team leave? Three straight WC Finals appearances, two Finals appearances, NBA title, FMVP....that shit never happens to a rookie not named Bird or Magic. And Kawhi has the chance to earn more money here than what any other team can offer.
Which player in their right mind would leave a situation like Kawhi has here?

[HI-FI]

Agreed. Sadly, the league will never see what is prime Kawhi able to do playing to his strengths.

If he signs a long term deal this summer he should demand a trade after a one or two seasons or risk stalling his game under the Spurs system.
But maybe he's too loyal and team-first guy, to do that.




I'd add the 2007 Finals, too. 3 Finals and 2 rings. Not bad at all...
that would be bullshit if the Spurs never utilize all of his offensive talents. considering how much Pop loves Porker, we might be seeing dribble dribble dribble chuck for awhile.

[wildchild]

Kawhi post ups may work sometimes but we saw how well the Clippers were able to defend it after a while. Plus posting up a player can take about 12-14 seconds to set up and this slows down the offense. If a team decides to double him then he is forced to dribble out which can take 4-5 seconds more. Now he is left with 6-8 seconds to make a move to the basket against a defense that has time to reset. Unfortunately, Kawhi does not have the offensive skill set to get to the rim and he is usually forced to take a contested jumper of beyond 12 feet.
If I'm an opposing coach I would gladly take a contested jumper than that Spurs beautiful basketball which involved something going to the rim of an open three.
In this series, Kawhi learned so quick to handle the effects of double team. In game 2 we saw improvements and he excelled in game 3 and 4.

Obviously he isn't a deadly ball handler but he's good enough to attack the rim in those situations, but he was so reliant in his js because those shots looked so good in the first games of the series.

And the big and successful part of the learning process was Kawhi finding the open man after game 2 in most plays. Sadly our shooters didn't punish the double team after the Kawhi's pass.

[wildchild]

And Kawhi has the chance to earn more money here than what any other team can offer.
That's why I said "if he sign the long term deal this summer" with the Spurs. Obviously they can offer him more than any other team


Which player in their right mind would leave a situation like Kawhi has here?

A player who wants to play to his strengths and improve his offensive game?.

Kawhi was the leading scoring this playoffs series and the regular season because of the consecutive Tony's injuries.

Pop will never have Kawhi as an offensive option, giving him a lot of touches, never made changes to add him as a big piece.
If he had the chance to be that guy in the last Finals, in this regular season, and first round series it was because Parker struggled.

With a healthy Parker this team will look for Kawhi like last playoffs against Dallas, Tony taking the most shots and Kawhi being a role player with limited offensive presence.

That's the Spurs system, their offense is still too reliant in Parker's game. If they are looking desperately an offensive big like Aldridge is because, among other reasons, they need to refound the two-man game with Tony and a new talented PF.

[wildchild]

that would be bullshit if the Spurs never utilize all of his offensive talents.

We all know Pop, he's reticent to make changes.

[intlspurshk]

There is no alternative. SPURS will match any offer which is likely a max offer. If SPURS think KL is overpaid, then trade him like Kelvin Love to some teams that need to win now when the next Andrew Wiggins appear.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

We all know Pop, he's reticent to make changes.

Pop has made more changes and adjustments to his system than any other coach. Like ever.

[Stabula]

We all know Pop, he's reticent to make changes.

Pop said publicly that the team next year is going to look very different and will be re-tooled in many ways. Expect big changes to the way the Spurs play.

[Skull-1]

No, this is a 38 year old I am comparing him to. TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I think it just shows how not elite KL IS


Leonard is developing. Had to defend the toughest matchup all series. Guy has been carrying the team for months. And no way Duncan gets those numbers without Leonard there. We have seen this movie before.

[Johnny RIngo]

Tony Parker. Highest paid player on the team. Worst impact in the entire playoffs. Least efficient player in the post-season. But yeah, keep blaming all the other players.

[Skull-1]

Tony Parker. Highest paid player on the team. Worst impact in the entire playoffs. Least efficient player in the post-season. But yeah, keep blaming all the other players.

Parker for sure was the difference here. Even just a tiny bit of production from him we win in six games at worst.

[Johnny RIngo]

Parker for sure was the difference here. Even just a tiny bit of production from him we win in six games at worst.

Yup. 6.3 PER, 38.6% TS. Those are horrific numbers. One of the worst playoffs in NBA history for a starter.

[Skull-1]

Yup. 6.3 PER, 38.6% TS. Those are horrific numbers. One of the worst playoffs in NBA history for a starter.


Wow. The eye test passed muster again.

I really hope this is injury-related and not a cliff dive.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Jesus..




Rk
Player
Age
G
MP
PER ▾
TS%
3PAr
FTr
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%

OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48

OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP


1
Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
38
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01/gamelog/2015/)
250
24.0
.595
.011
.378
7.9
26.0
16.6
16.0
1.8
3.1
6.3
20.1

0.8
0.4
1.2
.228







2
Patrick Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html)
26
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02/gamelog/2015/)
112
23.2
.744
.667
.310
3.7
14.8
9.1
11.9
0.9
0.0
9.5
21.1

0.5
0.1
0.6
.261







3
Marco Belinelli (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/belinma01.html)
28
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/belinma01/gamelog/2015/)
116
20.5
.727
.769
.333
1.8
10.5
6.0
14.1
0.9
0.0
10.1
19.2

0.5
0.1
0.5
.215







4
Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)
23
7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/gamelog/2015/)
250
19.7
.571
.239
.321
5.4
17.2
11.1
12.5
1.6
1.3
10.8
25.0

0.5
0.2
0.7
.142







And yet Pop refused to play Mills more and Porker less..Mind boggling tbh.