Tim Duncan is THE BEST PF of all TIME!

[howbouthemspurs]

I Think his is, I mean who can dispute what he has done allready in his career to be the best 8 year start of any PF in NBA history?

# 2003 USA Basketball Men's Senior National Team
# All-NBA First Team 2003
# NBA Finals MVP 1999, 2003, 2005
# Two-time Most Valuable Player (2001-02 and 2002-03)
# Named the NBA Finals MVP in both 1999 and 2003 to become just the third player in history to earn Finals MVP honors in each of their first two trips to the Finals (joining Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan)
# Just the second player in NBA history to be named to both an All-NBA Team and an All-Defensive Team in each of his first seven seasons (David Robinson was the first)
# Has been named to the All-NBA First Team all eight seasons, the first player since Larry Bird (fifth in NBA history: Baylor, Bird, Duncan, Pettit and Robertson) to be named All-NBA First Team in each of his first six seasons
# Has earned a spot on the All-Defensive First Team each of the last seven seasons after being named to the All-Defensive Second Team as a rookie in '97-98
# Won the 1998 Rookie of the Year
# Named co-MVP of the 2000 All-Star Game
# Been named an All-Star eight straight seasons (no game was held in 1999)
# Ranks seventh among active players in playoff career scoring average with 23.9 ppg
# Played for the USA Team in the 1999 Americas Qualifying Tournament in San Juan, Puerto Rico, was selected to play for the U.S. Team in the 2000 Olympics but had to withdraw due to a knee injury
# Leads all players in the NBA in double-doubles over the last eight seasons
# Named to the All Tournament Team for the 2003 FIBA Americas Men’s Qualifying Tournament after leading the U.S. Team to the Gold Medal

And to top it all, 3 championship rings!!!!

All this before the age of 30!!!

Can someone tell me what PF has had a better start than this?


http://espn.go.com/media/nba/2000/1129/photo/a_duncan_i.jpg

[themvp]

Simply the best.

[ICE3000]

yep! stats and numbers dont lie

[charmie21]

That's Timmy..

[polandprzem]

No way.

KG>TD

[MI21]

I believe in my unbiased comparison that Jermaine O'Neal > Tim Duncan.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Duncan is not the best PF of all time, imo rasho>duncan :D

[polandprzem]

Rasho is not PF

[romsey31]

Rasho is not PF

Duncan is the best for now :D

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

No way. It's all about the mailman.

[Trainwreck2100]

charles barkley>Duncan

[polandprzem]

Charles who?

[Trainwreck2100]

The fat guy on TNT who is the greatest PF of all time.

[Kip Fanatic]

Please explain to all of us here how KG, Jermaine O'Neal, and Sir Charles are better than Tim. Neither of them has won a NBA Championship. None of those three can even touch Tim. None.

[batman2883]

Anyone that says that sir Charles, Karl Malone, or Jermaine Oneal are better than Duncan probably rode the little yellow bus to school. Retards pure retards, look at the rings, look at the MVP trophies....Duncan carries teams, jealousy causes stupid people to make stupid judgements on saying those pf's were better than Tim

[TDMVPDPOY]

Dont tell anyone JR REID>DUNCAN

[ObiwanGinobili]

I am sorry, but i shall disagree, in my completely unbiased opinion:

my neighbors' girlfriend's cat's uncle's owner's 3rd cousin > Duncan






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[polandprzem]

my neighbors' girlfriend's cat's uncle's owner's 3rd cousin > Duncan

Even him.:rolleyes

U see we've got KG, Sir Charles, JR Reid, J. O'Neal and Obi's neighbors' girlfriend's cat's uncle's owner's 3rd cousin

Tim is simply not the best PF in history



:smokin

[Trainwreck2100]

Even him.:rolleyes

U see we've got KG, Sir Charles, JR Reid, J. O'Neal and Obi's neighbors' girlfriend's cat's uncle's owner's 3rd cousin

Tim is simply not the best PF in history





:smokin

Bingo, he ain't even top 5
Antoine Carr>Tim Duncan

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Carl Herrera > Tim Duncan

P.S.-This little gem of a post was #1000! :drunk

[1Parker1]

I am sorry, but i shall disagree, in my completely unbiased opinion:

my neighbors' girlfriend's cat's uncle's owner's 3rd cousin > Duncan






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:lol Sheeeeeeeeeeeeyit even Batman can play PF better than Duncan :)

[Trainwreck2100]

Julius Jones>Tim Duncan, and he plays football

[2pac]

Uwe Blab > Tim Duncan

[K-9]

I've always felt that Duncan is more than a PF...he is a PF/C. He is the best big man in the game right now. Not Shaq not KG, not Jermaine. Duncan is simply the best in the leauge right now. As for all time? it's hard to say. I know Karl Malone never won a championship but he was amazing for about 20 seasons.
If Tim Duncan would have led TEAM USA to Gold in Athens I think that would have qualified him as the best power forward ever. I have to go with Karl Malone for now...but I'm sure Tim Duncan will pass him some day. Don't get me wrong I think Tim Duncan is a better player than Karl Malone was but it's because I feel like Timmy is more than a PF also a C. Couldn't say that about the mailman.

[1Parker1]

The fact that Tim can play BOTH PF and C equally well, as opposed to the mailman....shouldn't that be a plus?

Also, Mailman was deceptive. John Stockton made him who he was. Mailman choked way too often in big games to be considered top PF in my book.

[polandprzem]

K-9

Are you saying that being a little bit of center takes some greatness from Tim?



You've got to be kidding me.

And gold olympic medal is not that much important right now.

But yes
I would say it is
mailman
bob pettit
sir
who are just under Tim on the list

[Jimcs50]

If TD had John Stockton as his PG for the last 7 yrs, he would have numbers off the chart and would probably be a 5 time champion right now.

TD is the best ever, and by the time he is done, there will not be any dissenters.

[2centsworth]

When healthy I've never seen a better power forward. Guy was two blocked shots away from a quadruple-double in an NBA finals game. 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists and 8 blocks.

[Duncan21]

TD>everyone

[JamStone]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Karl Malone
3. Charles Barkley
4. Bob Pettit
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Kevin McHale
7. Elvin Hayes
8. Bob McAdoo
9. Wes Unseld (even though he played some center)
10. Davie DeBusschere

[Nikos]

The fact that Tim can play BOTH PF and C equally well, as opposed to the mailman....shouldn't that be a plus?

Also, Mailman was deceptive. John Stockton made him who he was. Mailman choked way too often in big games to be considered top PF in my book.

How about the fact that Duncan at his best is better than Malone at his?

What does your perception of 'choking' have to do with Malone's all time PF ranking? You really think Malone isn't one of the greatest PF's of all time because he underacheived in a few games against Michael Jordan's Bulls?

[MiNuS]

How about the fact that Duncan at his best is better than Malone at his?

What does your perception of 'choking' have to do with Malone's all time PF ranking? You really think Malone isn't one of the greatest PF's of all time because he underacheived in a few games against Michael Jordan's Bulls?
objectively:
Tim did look so hot in game 3-4-5 of the finals. It was pathetic to see him in games 4 & 5.

He is still the best PF!

[FromWayDowntown]

When healthy I've never seen a better power forward. Guy was two blocked shots away from a quadruple-double in an NBA finals game. 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists and 8 blocks.

Bill Simmons had it exactly right in comparing KG and Timmy.

"Say what you want about Tim Duncan, but if he's playing 75-80 games, the Spurs are making the playoffs no matter what. You can't say the same about KG."

[hussker]

If not for Jamie Feick, there would be no Tim Duncan (at least in SA)...

[Sense]

No way.

KG>TD

I really hope you're being sarcastic when you say this. :lol

[polandprzem]

I really hope you're being sarcastic when you say this. :lol
You don't know me?
I'm surprised

[Sense]

You don't know me?
I'm surprised


The post was more about the joke.

[jermaine7fan]

I think I may agree with Timmy being the best all time... I don't know though... I think Larry Bird was pretty close... How many championships did Larry win? And... How many MVP's do Larry and Tim currently have?

[polandprzem]

The post was more about the joke.
I know.
Mine too

I remember the KG>TD talk from about 3 months ago :)

[2centsworth]

I think I may agree with Timmy being the best all time... I don't know though... I think Larry Bird was pretty close... How many championships did Larry win? And... How many MVP's do Larry and Tim currently have?
I consider Larry to be the best small forward of all-time. Mchale gobbled up the minutes at the 4 spot. Larry played as much 4 as Tim plays 5.

[jermaine7fan]

I consider Larry to be the best small forward of all-time. Mchale gobbled up the minutes at the 4 spot. Larry played as much 4 as Tim plays 5.Really??? I have been mistaken for a long time then... that was before my days as an NBA fan... but I was a big fan of recess!

[mookie2001]

riveting

[Mark in Austin]

If TD had John Stockton as his PG for the last 7 yrs, he would have numbers off the chart and would probably be a 5 time champion right now.


truth.

Just for fun: my All-Time starting five (best player at each position)

PG: Magic Johnson
SG: Michael Jordan
SF: Larry Bird
PF: Tim Duncan
C: Bill Russell

sixth man: John Havlicek

btw, just off the top of my head, I think that is 28 rings combined in the starting five. Jesus.

[mookie2001]

magic
jordan
bird
duncan
robinson

with a bench of
kidd
kobe
pippen
rodman
olajuwon

[TDMVPDPOY]

wtf is tim duncan btw?

[mookie2001]

^thats the stupidist question regularly argued in this forum

its like when garnett dribbles up the court the announcers are GUARANTEED to call him a "point center"

like if bowen is guarding ray allen he's a guard, shawn marion he's a forward
there is 3 positions in the nba
point
wing
post

[JamStone]

mookie, have you ever heard of Oscar Robertson? Jerry West? Julius Erving? Elvin Hayes? Bob Pettit? Isiah Thomas? Earl Monroe? Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

Maybe your that's your fantasy "favorite" line-up, but if it's supposed to be the "best," I think it could be better.

[mookie2001]

i saw isiah and kareem play at the end of their career
the others i never saw play
it is my fantasy
i like big guards

[JamStone]

i saw isiah and kareem play at the end of their career
the others i never saw play
it is my fantasy
i like big guards


Ok, well, there are some great players from the past.

And, this is just my opinion, but it's a crime to leave OSCAR ROBERTSON off of any "all time" list, whether you list him as a "starter" or off the bench. He is right there next to Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain when you talk about the BEST NBA PLAYER OF ALL TIME.

And, Oscar Robertson was a 6-foot-5, 220 pound combo guard, who played both positions. In fact, Oscar Robertson is the reason there even are players like Magic Johnson or Jason Kidd.

Just my two cents ...

[howbouthemspurs]

Tim is still in his prime and is still able to put up monster numbers!!!

The reason why hes going to put up the same kind of numbers in the next six or seven years is because his game is so smooth and simple and so fundamentaly sound. All the moves that he makes are easy to him. He dosent have to jump that high to get the ball over somebody, he just does an up and under and bank there it is While other players like KG and Amare goes all out and crazy just to get one basket!!! He is so smart and knows where to position himself under the basket. He knows how to conserve his energy and body. He dosent waste it after every dunk, rebound, or block by screaming bloody murder and beating his chest or givin a gangsta sign to his homies watching at home like alot of the other players in the league.


But Tim does get over excited at times but only if its a big game. He has shown more character lately.


He is just a smooth criminal.
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[Leetonidas]

I have to disagree with the person who started this thread, Karl Malone is the best all-time Power Forward....

Championships don't count becasue they are won collectively not individually.

Karl Malone had bad luck winning a championship thanks to a guy named Michael Jordan.

KARL MALONE AND TIM DUNCAN

KARL

25PPG
10.1 REB PER GAME
3.6 AST
1.4 STL
.70 BLKS
3.07 TO
37.2 MINS
51.6FG%
27.4 3PTFG%
74.2 FT%

Career Numbers and achievements:

Ranks second all-time in points scored with 36,374, behind only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (38,387)
Holds the NBA record most consecutive seasons scoring 2,000 or more points (11, 1987-88 to 1997-98) and shares the record with Michael Jordan for most career 2,000 point seasons (11, 1987-88 to 1997-98)
Tied Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (17) for most consecutive seasons scoring at least 20.0 points per game (17, 1986-87 to 2002-03)
Scored a career-high 61 points, the most by a Jazz player since the franchise moved to Utah, against the Milwaukee Bucks on 1/27/90
Scored a Jazz playoff-record 50 points and grabbed 12 boards against the Seattle SuperSoncics on 4/22/00
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in free-throws made (seven, 1988-89 to 1992-93, 1996-97, 1997-98) and most consecutive seasons leading the league in free-throws made (1988-89 to 1992-93)
Passed Moses Malone (8,531) to become the NBA's all-time leader in free throws made on 3/24/01 vs. the Washington Wizards
Became the all-time leader in free throws attepmted on 12/10/01 against the Mavericks
Ranks second all-time in field-goals made with 13,335 behind only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (15,837)
Ranks second all-time in minutes played at 53,479, trailing only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (57,446)
Ranks seventh all-time in rebounds, with 14,601
Appeared in the 1997 and 1998 NBA Finals against the Chicago Bulls
Named to the 1985-86 NBA All-Rookie Team and finished third in Rookie of the Year balloting after averaging 14.9 ppg and 8.9 rpg
A member of the men's basketball "Dream Team" that won the gold medal at the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona and the 1996 Dream Team that won gold in Atlanta
Winner of the 1997-98 IBM Award
During career, named NBA Player of the Week 22 times and NBA Player of the Month seven times


TIM DUNCAN:




22.5 PPG

12.2 REB

3.1 AST

.78 STL

2.5 BLKS

38.3 MINS

50.7FG%

19.43PTFG%

69.2FT%



All-NBA First Team 2003
NBA Finals MVP 2003
Two-time Most Valuable Player (2001-02 and 2002-03)
Named the NBA Finals MVP in both 1999 and 2003 to become just the third player in history to earn Finals MVP honors in each of their first two trips to the Finals (joining Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan)
Just the second player in NBA history to be named to both an All-NBA Team and an All-Defensive Team in each of his first six seasons (David Robinson was the first and he earned the honors in each of his first seven seasons)
Has been named to the All-NBA First Team all six seasons, the first player since Larry Bird (fifth in NBA history: Baylor, Bird, Duncan, Pettit and Robertson) to be named All-NBA First Team in each of his first six seasons
Has earned a spot on the All-Defensive First Team each of the last five seasons after being named to the All-Defensive Second Team as a rookie in '97-98
Named the 1999 Finals MVP
Won the 1998 Rookie of the Year
Named co-MVP of the 2000 All-Star Game
Been named an All-Star five straight seasons (no game was held in 1999)
Ranks seventh among active players in playoff career scoring average with 23.9 ppg
Played for the USA Team in the 1999 Americas Qualifying Tournament in San Juan, Puerto Rico, was selected to play for the U.S. Team in the 2000 Olympics but had to withdraw due to a knee injury
Been named the NBA Player of the Week 15 times and the Player of the Month four times
Leads all players in the NBA in double-doubles over the last six seasons
Named to the All Tournament Team for the 2003 FIBA Americas Men’s Qualifying Tournament after leading the U.S. Team to the Gold Medal.


PPG=MALONE

REB=DUNCAN

AST=MALONE

STL=MALONE

BLKS=DUNCAN

MINS=DUNCAN

FG=MALONE

3PTFG%=MALONE

FT%=MALONE

6 out of 9 categories are dominated by Malone.

Duncan is close to become the best power forward but he isn't just yet.


Stats don't mean crap. If Duncan had Stockton as his PG, he'd dominate 7 out of 9 of those (who cares about 3PT%?).

[Leetonidas]

Look at the most important numbers:

NBA Finals MVPs:

Duncan: 3
Malone: 0

NBA Finals Trophies:

Duncan: 3
Malone: 0

[ambchang]

PPG=MALONE
REB=DUNCAN
AST=MALONE
STL=MALONE
BLKS=DUNCAN
MINS=DUNCAN
FG=MALONE
3PTFG%=MALONE
FT%=MALONE
6 out of 9 categories are dominated by Malone.
Duncan is close to become the best power forward but he isn't just yet.
First, I don't agree with stats being definitive of how great a player is.
Second, ranking the number of categories is illogical. Are you saying that FT% is of equal weight to PPG? Or REB to Ast? How was that determined.
Lastly, how in the world would 3PTFG% be any kind of a stat to determine the greatness of a PF?
Malone cannot carry a team to an NBA championship, not even with a HoF sidekick in John Stockton when both of them were in their primes. Malone was a great PF, one of the best eer, and there is little question on that, but his inability to take over games at crucial moments of the game has put him in a category that is lower than that of Duncan.

[ambchang]

Yes they do!

Numbers don't lie
So Wes Unseld (10.8/14) is about even with Dennis Rodman(7.3/13.1)? Mitch Richmond (21/3.9/3.5) is similar to Dr. J (22/6.9/3.9)? Grant Hill (20.8/7.5/5.7) > Scottie Pippen (16.1/6.4/5.2)?

[TDMVPDPOY]

Wat team does tim duncan play for btw?? :D:D

[K-9]

K-9

Are you saying that being a little bit of center takes some greatness from Tim?



You've got to be kidding me.

And gold olympic medal is not that much important right now.

But yes
I would say it is
mailman
bob pettit
sir
who are just under Tim on the list

No what I'm trying to say is that Tim isn't a pure PF. I was trying to say that he is the better player but I see him more as a C than a PF. Which makes Karl Malone the better PF, but I think Tim is the better player.

It would be like calling Michael Jordan a point guard because he brought up the ball a lot for the Bulls. Then picking him over Stockton who is nothing but a PG. Do I make any sense?

[Mavs<Spurs]

When healthy I've never seen a better power forward. Guy was two blocked shots away from a quadruple-double in an NBA finals game. 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists and 8 blocks.


That was the most amazing game I ever saw anybody play. I just finished watching the 2003 Spurs video again a few minutes ago. What can you say to that stat line in the deciding game of the NBA Finals?
:fro

[jermaine7fan]

My belief is that Karl Malone would have done far less in his career... stats wise... if he had no Stockton. I give Tim the edge for that reason... and the titles.

[peskypesky]

I have the utmost respect for Malone's career stats. They are sick! Absolutely sick. Go look at them.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html

Until Tim came along, Malone was indeed the greatest power forward to ever play the game. But when comparing his stats to Duncan's, you have to remember that Malone had John Stockton feeding him the ball, and that's gotta add at least 6ppg to his stats.

But most importantly, I just have to go with Tim's 3 Finals MVP trophies. That clinches it IMO.

BTW, for those who argue that Malone didn't get any rings because he played during the days of His Airness, if you subtract the 6 years that Jordan won the ring, that left Malone with oh, only about 13 chances to win one for himself. He didn't. Nuff said.