Messi

[testies]

:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow

best athlete of the 2000s

[AlexJones]

That's not Floyd Money.

[Killakobe81]

Man is the man gifted ...call it poverty ball or whatever you like but the guy is truly amazing.

[Technique]

Too bad he missed an open goal when his country needed it most in the fifa world cup finals.

[Thebesteva]

Too bad he missed an open goal when his country needed it most in the fifa world cup finals.

Open goal? WTF world cup did u watch? That was Iguane or however u spell his name

[spurraider21]

That's not Floyd Money.
of course not. that's why he said "best athlete of 2000s"

[testies]

who is Floyd Money? rapper?

[benefactor]

:lol soccer

[AlexJones]

:lol baseball

[baseline bum]

Is that the faggot who kicked it 20 feet over the goal in the WC Final?

[BatManu20]

Messi is a generational talent and will likely be considered a top 2 player all time with Pele when he hangs 'em up.


With that said, his new fade haircut and sleeve tattoos on his arm/leg look retarded. You're a soccer god Messi, not a hipster.

[baseline bum]

Messi is a generational talent and will likely be considered a top 2 player all time with Pele when he hangs 'em up.


With that said, his new fade haircut and sleeve tattoos on his arm/leg look retarded. You're a soccer god Messi, not a hipster.

Soccer god, hipster, same bullshit, they're both types of homo

[ImDaNuts]

World class 2nd goal today. Unbelievable player.

[Clipper Nation]

Who's Messi? Greatest athletes of the 2000's are LeBron, Duncan, Floyd, and prime Barry Bonds.

[Venti Quattro]

:lmao Baseball

[ElNono]

I thought the decline was inevitable, but he's still wowing everybody, tbh...

[100%duncan]

Federer, Duncan, Floyd, Pacquiao, Lebron, Ronaldo, Nadal etc2

Perennial choker when needed the most :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Federer, Duncan, Floyd, Pacquiao, Lebron, Ronaldo, Nadal etc2

:lmao

[100%duncan]

:lmao

As expected :bobo

[spurraider21]

:lol soccer


:lol baseball
:lol both

[Infinite_limit]

That White height and good looks

http://www.hrt.hr/media/tt_news/messi_neuer.jpg

[Blizzardwizard]

Beisbol :lmao

[DAF86]

That white height couldn't do much to stop God's lob yesterday, tbh.

[whitemamba]

anyone see what he did to boateng?

[Strange Love]

For you soccer aficionados I have a question..

Where do you think Andres Escobar would rank up with the greats had he lived long enough to get where he should have?

As an outside spectator who knows shit about that sport, they sure made him look good in that 30 for 30 episode which remains my all time favorite from ESPN BTW.

[King Emmanuel]

and in other news










































































a baseball player still has not recorded more than 3 burned calories

[100%duncan]

For you soccer aficionados I have a question..

Where do you think Andres Escobar would rank up with the greats had he lived long enough to get where he should have?

As an outside spectator who knows shit about that sport, they sure made him look good in that 30 for 30 episode which remains my all time favorite from ESPN BTW.

is that the documentary about Pablo and brazil soccer in general? maybe not

[The Gemini Method]

As expected :bobo Well you put Ronaldo over Messi in your list so fuck off.

[The Gemini Method]

is that the documentary about Pablo and brazil soccer in general? maybe not The Two Escobars is about Columbia and how they were one of the top-5 national sides prior to the 94 World Cup. The truth is: the Yayo funded most of, if not all of, the soccer renaissance in Columbia. Only recently, have they begun to field a good team.

[100%duncan]

The Two Escobars is about Columbia and how they were one of the top-5 national sides prior to the 94 World Cup. The truth is: the Yayo funded most of, if not all of, the soccer renaissance in Columbia. Only recently, have they begun to field a good team.

Ah yah that's the title. Pretty good documentary IMHO. And I meant Columbia, of course :lol

[hater]

Too bad he missed an open goal when his country needed it most in the fifa world cup finals.

:lmao

in the playoffs the midget's balls shrink

especially at the sight of Germans :lmao

[hater]

:lol regular season wins

[The Gemini Method]

Ah yah that's the title. Pretty good documentary IMHO. And I meant Columbia, of course :lol Really, top-5 in the whole series and that's hard to say since it has been the best sports documentary series of all-time. I would put Without Bias, the Hank Gathers one up there and the one about the Hawaiian surfer up there as well.

[100%duncan]

Really, top-5 in the whole series and that's hard to say since it has been the best sports documentary series of all-time. I would put Without Bias, the Hank Gathers one up there and the one about the Hawaiian surfer up there as well.

I remember watching it for the first time just after the new year hoopla around 1-2 am, wasted but still got me interested.

[Clipper Nation]

Just looked up who Messi was.... you're telling me this faggot is the greatest athlete of the 2000's? :lmao

http://i.imgur.com/DU1II4s.jpg

If this is the best povertyball has to offer, than I'm sorry, but you can't argue against it being a shit "sport" :lol

[hater]

Just looked up who Messi was.... you're telling me this faggot is the greatest athlete of the 2000's? :lmao

http://i.imgur.com/DU1II4s.jpg

If this is the best povertyball has to offer, than I'm sorry, but you can't argue against it being a shit "sport" :lol

you don't need athleticism to be a crack soccer player ya dummy

that's what's great about the sport. even midgets can succeed.

that being said Messi is top 5 ever. But without a world cup he's not sniffing the #1 slot

[Clipper Nation]

Real athleticism:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk3l_L-VJ3w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkF36ZfpHSA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uioYnCQzrIY

:lol Povertyball

[Kyle Orton]

:lol mid day midseason game between chelsea and man city getting millions more viewers than primetime championship of football Super Bowl

[DAF86]

hater pretending to talk like he knows anything about football just because he is b3aner. :lol

[Infinite_limit]

That white height couldn't do much to stop God's lob yesterday, tbh.
Black Boateng screwed it up

Neuer was the Man of the Match yesterday. Most accomplished player of the 2000s doing most accomplished player of the 2000s thangs

[DAF86]

Black Boateng screwed it up

Neuer was the Man of the Match yesterday. Most accomplished player of the 2000s doing most accomplished player of the 2000s thangs

He sure did yesterday. :lol

[Infinite_limit]

He sure did yesterday. :lol
No World Cup

LOL @ the Charles Barkley of Global Football


http://d30fl32nd2baj9.cloudfront.net/media/2014/07/14/neuer.jpg1/ALTERNATES/w620/neuer.JPG

http://youngjournalistacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Kobe-21.jpg

[Infinite_limit]

Head down, ass up


http://www.bloomberg.com/image/ieEu6nWbyTpo.jpg

[DAF86]

Comparing a tournament that is played once every 4 years in a span of a month with the NBA season. :lol

[Infinite_limit]

Comparing a tournament that is played once every 4 years in a span of a month with the NBA season. :lol
World Cup is the NBA Finals. Not to mention how Messi would have probably missed qualifying once in his career, out of UEFA.

Don't forget how he rested himself for the WC by sandbagging his Barcelona season.

[Spur-Addict]

:lol "Athletes". Better than most Baseball players but still. :lol "Athletes"

[DAF86]

:lol "Athletes". Better than most Baseball players but still. :lol "Athletes"

Are you somehow trying to imply Soccer players aren't athletes?

[DAF86]

:lol "Athletes". Better than most Baseball players but still. :lol "Athletes"

Are you somehow trying to imply Soccer players aren't athletes?

[Spur-Addict]

Are you somehow trying to imply Soccer players aren't athletes?

No, I'm saying comparatively to other sports they not in the same ballpark. I do agree they're athletes, but come on, they're not even in the same league as someone like LBJ.

[Infinite_limit]

No, I'm saying comparatively to other sports they not in the same ballpark. I do agree they're athletes, but come on, they're not even in the same league as someone like LBJ.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A0L1-naCUAEFiv1.jpg

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/lebron-james5.jpg

[Spur-Addict]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A0L1-naCUAEFiv1.jpg

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/lebron-james5.jpg

And what exactly are you trying to convey here? :lol

[Infinite_limit]

And what exactly are you trying to convey here? :lol
Westbrook is the NBA player I'd chose to compete in a Sport-Off Challenge

[Spur-Addict]

Westbrook is the NBA player I'd chose to compete in a Sport-Off Challenge

He works as well, but there are several to choose from in the NBA, and as a collective there is next level athleticism there comparatively to a bunch of guys running marathons and bicycle kicking every game. Not to say they aren't athletic, because they are. Some other sports are just on another level.

[DAF86]

No, I'm saying comparatively to other sports they not in the same ballpark. I do agree they're athletes, but come on, they're not even in the same league as someone like LBJ.

Do you know the cordination you need to have to run with the ball on your feet? The endurance you must posses to be running non stop on a mammoth football pitch for more than 90 minutes with only a 15 minutes break in the middle? Sure, basketball players can jump higher but football players have other athletic traits that basketball players don't have. All in all I would say they're pretty even in terms of athleticism, both are among the most athletic demanding sports in the World.

[Infinite_limit]

He works as well, but there are several to choose from in the NBA, and as a collective there is next level athleticism there comparatively to a bunch of guys running marathons and bicycle kicking every game. Not to say they aren't athletic, because they are. Some other sports are just on another level.
The top are: Basketball, Soccer, Hockey, Sprinting/Swimming
2nd level: Football/Rugby, Tennis, Boxing/MMA
3rd tier: Baseball/Cricket, Volleyball
and Golf


Team Sports

[Spur-Addict]

Do you know the cordination you need to have to run with the ball on your feet? The endurance you must posses to be running non stop on a mammoth football pitch for more than 90 minutes with only a 15 minutes break in the middle? Sure, basketball players can jump higher but football players have other athletic traits that basketball players don't have. All in all I would say they're pretty even in terms of athleticism, both are among the most athletic demanding sports in the World.

I'd say it's one of the most physically demanding sports in the world, which is not the same as athletically demanding. I'm not looking to discount the rigorous nature of the sport of Futbol, but we're talking about being athletic. And I'm not saying Futbol players aren't athletic either. And everyone knows displaying ones athleticism in basketball goes far beyond leaping ability. I'm just saying it's pretty clear in terms of pure athleticism which sport has superior athletes.

[Spur-Addict]

The top are: Basketball, Soccer, Hockey, Sprinting/Swimming
2nd level: Football/Rugby, Tennis, Boxing/MMA
3rd tier: Baseball/Cricket, Volleyball
and Golf


Team Sports


So you concede that basketball is ranked ahead, or is your 1st tier at random?

[The Gemini Method]

Spur-Addict I usually got your back but your delusion is far from saving here. You're fooling yourself if you're even remotely proposing that soccer players are not athletes.

[Spur-Addict]

Spur-Addict I usually got your back but your delusion is far from saving here. You're fooling yourself if you're even remotely proposing that soccer players are not athletes.

That's not what I'm saying, take a look.

[The Gemini Method]

That's not what I'm saying, take a look. so you're saying Kevin Love is more superior an athelte then say Messi?

[Strange Love]

Ah yah that's the title. Pretty good documentary IMHO. And I meant Columbia, of course :lol

Pretty much.

I wonder if soccer is as corrupt as it was back then. :lol

Maybe its done more subtlety now. lol

[The Gemini Method]

Pretty much.

I wonder if soccer is as corrupt as it was back then. :lol

Maybe its done more subtlety now. lol Oh It still is corrupt you just have to look at the whole Qatar fiasco with Sepp Blatter and the like. Vice on HBO had a good piece on how they're covering up deaths and kickbacks and the like in order to get the country ready for the World Cup.

[Spur-Addict]

so you're saying Kevin Love is more superior an athelte then say Messi?

You're cherry picking. I'm saying across the board, and the upper tier is not even close. Compare LBJ or Westbrook to Messi or Renaldo and it's a landslide. Especially when you start to consider speed to power conversion as there's not many larger players who play Futbol. Look at DeAndre Jordan, despite being way bigger than any Futbol player his athleticism is far greater than the majority of Futbol players.

[The Gemini Method]

So you know this how? Are you in some form a Kinesiology expert? Is there some study that you go to that presents this in a definitive matter?

[Spur-Addict]

So you know this how? Are you in some form a Kinesiology expert? Is there some study that you go to that presents this in a definitive matter?

Oh come on man :lol. If this is the path we're going to take (with all due respect) then we should just agree to disagree. But we cannot ignore the eye test, that is very powerful. I don't want to start sounding like Avante here (:lol), but just think about these following players in comparison to a lot of Futbol players out there.

Blake Griffin
Dwight Howard
DeAndre Jordan
Giannis Ansaelrkjtghdfgjndfgd-BO
Harrison Barnes
Eric Bledsoe
DeMarcus Cousins
Anthony Davis
DeMar DeRozan
Zach Levine
Aaron Gordon
Andre Iggydalaaa

This is other worldly athleticism comparatively. (IMO)

[The Gemini Method]

I can't argue when you go the Avante-esque route...just dont go listing pre-teen Filipino actresses you'd like to bang.

[ElNono]

Per SportsVU, professional soccer players run 3 to 4 times more than NBA players per game...

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sports-run-stats-show-burns-shoe-leather-article-1.1307763

[Spur-Addict]

I can't argue when you go the Avante-esque route...just dont go listing pre-teen Filipino actresses you'd like to bang.

:rollin

Or females he babysat in Olongapo

[The Gemini Method]

:rollin

Or females he babysat in Olongapo :rofl

[ImDaNuts]

No World Cup

LOL @ the Charles Barkley of Global Football


http://d30fl32nd2baj9.cloudfront.net/media/2014/07/14/neuer.jpg1/ALTERNATES/w620/neuer.JPG

http://youngjournalistacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Kobe-21.jpg

Half of the Barca squad has more accolades than Neuer. Like my boy Iniesta. 2 Euros and 1 World Cup.

[Infinite_limit]

So you concede that basketball is ranked ahead, or is your 1st tier at random?
I'm not breaking down each tier, it gets bias at that point

[Clipper Nation]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A0L1-naCUAEFiv1.jpg

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/lebron-james5.jpg

Are you really trying to imply that povertyball players (the biggest floppers and divers in sports) are tougher than basketball players? :lmao

[Infinite_limit]

Are you really trying to imply that povertyball players (the biggest floppers and divers in sports) are tougher than basketball players? :lmao
https://tullycorcoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/kd_backpack.jpg

[testies]

I don't understand the povertyball nickname

specially when you consider that priviledged white americans (hipsters) all love "soccer"

and the people that watch handegg are the rednecks and dumb middle class WASPs

black people like basketball, so we should also nickname it welfareball

[Venti Quattro]

In other news,

:lmao Baseball
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[Venti Quattro]

black people like basketball, so we should also nickname it welfareball

######ball, imo.

Baseball should just be named as Fatball :lmao :lmao

:lmao Baseball
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[Venti Quattro]

and in other news

a baseball player still has not recorded more than 3 burned calories

The stitches in the a baseball hold up more than the buttons on the fatball player's uniform.

[King Emmanuel]

http://s.sk-gaming.com/image/image/d0f189fb5917307cx.jpg?

niggas u serious? even these esport clowns that don't work out have better physique than fatball players

[Venti Quattro]

http://s.sk-gaming.com/image/image/d0f189fb5917307cx.jpg?

niggas u serious? even these esport clowns that don't work out have better physique than fatball players

These guys live on ramen and canned goods since all they know is e-gaming and they're still more fit than fatball players? :lmao :lmao :lmao

:lmao Baseball
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[Strange Love]

Venti, why the meltdown? It's just a game. :lol

[Venti Quattro]

Venti, why the meltdown? It's just a game. :lol

E-sports is a game. Baseball is not a game

[spurraider21]

Per SportsVU, professional soccer players run 3 to 4 times more than NBA players per game...

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sports-run-stats-show-burns-shoe-leather-article-1.1307763
the game is twice as long and the field is a heck of a lot bigger. that's expected

[Venti Quattro]

the game is twice as long and the field is a heck of a lot bigger. that's expected

But the football game finishes faster than the basketball game. Well except in those cases where a match goes to extra time.

[spurraider21]

But the football game finishes faster than the basketball game
that's irrelevant to the point. 48 minutes of gametime/running in basketball. twice that for lol soccer when you factor in stoppage time

[benefactor]

:lol both
Exactly.:lol

[spurraider21]

Exactly.:lol
thats why i love these arguments.

both sides win and both sides lose

[DAF86]

Oh come on man :lol. If this is the path we're going to take (with all due respect) then we should just agree to disagree. But we cannot ignore the eye test, that is very powerful. I don't want to start sounding like Avante here (:lol), but just think about these following players in comparison to a lot of Futbol players out there.

Blake Griffin
Dwight Howard
DeAndre Jordan
Giannis Ansaelrkjtghdfgjndfgd-BO
Harrison Barnes
Eric Bledsoe
DeMarcus Cousins
Anthony Davis
DeMar DeRozan
Zach Levine
Aaron Gordon
Andre Iggydalaaa

This is other worldly athleticism comparatively. (IMO)

What do you consider to be athletic traits?

[baseline bum]

The Two Escobars is about Columbia and how they were one of the top-5 national sides prior to the 94 World Cup. The truth is: the Yayo funded most of, if not all of, the soccer renaissance in Columbia. Only recently, have they begun to field a good team.

Did you go to that shit when it was in LA? I remember Jim Rome saying they had to give tickets away for free when you bought gas and shit like that. :lol

[Spur-Addict]

What do you consider to be athletic traits?

Strength, Speed, Explosion, Leaping Ability, Agility, Stamina, etc etc. Basically all encompassing physical traits/abilities.

[DAF86]

Strength, Speed, Explosion, Leaping Ability, Agility, Stamina, etc etc. Basically all encompassing physical traits/abilities.

Well, I can make a case for at least 4 of those being generally better on Soccer players. But that's not even the point, let's say basketball is more "athletic", the only reason I quoted you is because you said this:


:lol "Athletes". Better than most Baseball players but still. :lol "Athletes"

Implying football players are poor or at best middle of the table "athletes" when is one of the few sports where you need to be a complete, first class athlete to even have a chance to play it. I can give you basketball but NFL, Hockey or most other sports' athletes aren't even close to being the athletes football player are.

[Spur-Addict]

Well, I can make a case for at least 4 of those being generally better on Soccer players. But that's not even the point, let's say basketball is more "athletic", the only reason I quoted you is because you said this:



Implying football players are poor or at best middle of the table "athletes" when is one of the few sports where you need to be a complete, first class athlete to even have a chance to play it. I can give you basketball but NFL, Hockey or most other sports' athletes aren't even close to being the athletes football player are.

That is my original quote yes. But I'm not going to sit here and lie to you. I don't have close to the same amount of respect for a Futbol player comparatively to a Basketball player, or even a Football player. I do agree Hockey players are very overrated, and are subpar to most of the lot.

What I absolutely respect about Futbol players is their stamina and agility. But, overall, the various sorts of world class athletes that play basketball, especially the size of some of these players who have these all encompassing abilities you just don't see in other sports (and if there is an outlier, the amount isn't nearly as prevalent comparatively), the diversity from positions and what's required is unparalleled. I've never seen a Futbol player like LBJ or Westbrook. And I think it's patently obvious that many basketball players could've played many different sports where as so many Futbol players are much more limited comparatively.

But as far as football is concerned, there are guys (especially at skill positions) that have elite athleticism. Beckham JR, Jamaal Charles, LeSean McCoy. Of course the retort will involve some OL or DL that is massive but they are a requirement for the sport. But lets not sleep on these players, because to be 280-300 plus and have the measurable that they have is ridiculous. A lot of these guys can run a 5./ 40 yard dash and still maintain freakish power and agility. There are defensive ends that run sub 4.7/ 40 yard dashes. And obviously there are other drills used to measure athleticism, shuttle drills etc.

What limits some football players (primarily DL/LB/ and OL) is their stamina, which is restricted purely based on size. But if we take that out of the equation the picture looks different. Look at the size of this guy here, Owamagbe Odighizuwa. Where are you going to find a guy in Futbol with these kind of measurements especially considering his size. Guy is a freak.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/owamagbe-odighizuwa?id=2552275

[DAF86]

That is my original quote yes. But I'm not going to sit here and lie to you. I don't have close to the same amount of respect for a Futbol player comparatively to a Basketball player, or even a Football player. I do agree Hockey players are very overrated, and are subpar to most of the lot.

What I absolutely respect about Futbol players is their stamina and agility. But, overall, the various sorts of world class athletes that play basketball, especially the size of some of these players who have these all encompassing abilities you just don't see in other sports (and if there is an outlier, the amount isn't nearly as prevalent comparatively), the diversity from positions and what's required is unparalleled. I've never seen a Futbol player like LBJ or Westbrook. And I think it's patently obvious that many basketball players could've played many different sports where as so many Futbol players are much more limited comparatively.

But as far as football is concerned, there are guys (especially at skill positions) that have elite athleticism. Beckham JR, Jamaal Charles, LeSean McCoy. Of course the retort will involve some OL or DL that is massive but they are a requirement for the sport. But lets not sleep on these players, because to be 280-300 plus and have the measurable that they have is ridiculous. A lot of these guys can run a 5./ 40 yard dash and still maintain freakish power and agility. There are defensive ends that run sub 4.7/ 40 yard dashes. And obviously there are other drills used to measure athleticism, shuttle drills etc.

What limits some football players (primarily DL/LB/ and OL) is their stamina, which is restricted purely based on size. But if we take that out of the equation the picture looks different. Look at the size of this guy here, Owamagbe Odighizuwa. Where are you going to find a guy in Futbol with these kind of measurements especially considering his size. Guy is a freak.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/owamagbe-odighizuwa?id=2552275

Well, a lot of soccer players possess all those traits while also having the endurance of fucking marathon runners. The point you are missing is that only some of the NFL players are true athletes, most of them don't need to be (in fact, you don't need to be athletic to dominate the most important position in American football) while you can't sniff a soccer pitch if you aren't at very least above average athletically (and if indeed you are just above average in that regard you better be fucking elite in term of skills). Either way, I'm not interested in a dick-measuring contest, I just want you to realize how much of an ignorant comment you were making by laughing ironically at the idea of soccer being one of the most athletic demanding sports in the World.

[ElNono]

the game is twice as long and the field is a heck of a lot bigger. that's expected

No doubt, but it also means you gotta be a pretty darned good athlete to keep up with that...

[Spur-Addict]

Well, a lot of soccer players possess all those traits while also having the endurance of fucking marathon runners. The point you are missing is that only some of the NFL players are true athletes, most of them don't need to be (in fact, you don't need to be athletic to dominate the most important position in American football) while you can't sniff a soccer pitch if you aren't at very least above average athletically (and if indeed you are just above average in that regard you better be fucking elite in term of skills). Either way, I'm not interested in a dick-measuring contest, I just want you to realize how much of an ignorant comment you were making by laughing ironically at the idea of soccer being one of the most athletic demanding sports in the World.

Well of course I was intentionally being a dick, that's a given. And yes Futbol players possess a lot of those traits, but not nearly at the same levels when you look at the whole picture. And I don't even know what a "True Athlete" is. And while you don't need to be an athletic freak to play some positions, in others you have to have supreme athletic ability. Just because a guy is 300 LBS doesn't mean he isn't athletic.

The nature of Futbol is very discriminatory in regards to the TYPE of athlete you must be. The type of frame you must have is very restrictive, doesn't mean the players that don't fit that mold aren't supremely athletic.

[spurraider21]

No doubt, but it also means you gotta be a pretty darned good athlete to keep up with that...
sure, but i'm just saying the distance ran is a nature of the sport. i can post a statistic that people who run the 200m run twice as much as people who run the 100m... doesn't mean the athletes are better

[DAF86]

Well of course I was intentionally being a dick, that's a given. And yes Futbol players possess a lot of those traits, but not nearly at the same levels when you look at the whole picture. And I don't even know what a "True Athlete" is. And while you don't need to be an athletic freak to play some positions, in others you have to have supreme athletic ability. Just because a guy is 300 LBS doesn't mean he isn't athletic.

The nature of Futbol is very discriminatory in regards to the TYPE of athlete you must be. The type of frame you must have is very restrictive, doesn't mean the players that don't fit that mold aren't supremely athletic.

The fuck? The best player in football today is a 5'6'' guy and the second best is 6'2''. You can have 5'2'' and 6'7'' guys playing at elite level, it's not like in other sports where you need a certain body type to play it or where the type of body you have determines the position you play. Football is one of the few sports where your size isn't an impediment to play it. And I know you are referring to the fatsos that play baseball or ofensive/defensive line in football but sorry, we are talking about athletes if you are a fat fuck you shouldn't be called an athlete.

[Spur-Addict]

The fuck? The best player in football today is a 5'6'' guy and the second best is 6'2''. You can have 5'2'' and 6'7'' guys playing at elite level, it's not like in other sports where you need a certain body type to play it or where the type of body you have determines the position you play. Football is one of the few sports where your size isn't an impediment to play it. And I know you are referring to the fatsos that play baseball or ofensive/defensive line n football but sorry, we are talking about sports if you are a fat fuck you aren't suppossed to be playing them at elite levels.

Yeah but what's the weight of these players? I've never seen a 300LBS Futbol player. They're mostly thin, or of slight muscular build relative to their size.

[Spur-Addict]

And I don't have respect for Baseball comparatively, I actually have stated many times before that I hold Futbol players above Baseball players. But Football is a different animal. And not all DL/OL are fat. I can point out numerous physically fit OL/DL.

[ElNono]

sure, but i'm just saying the distance ran is a nature of the sport. i can post a statistic that people who run the 200m run twice as much as people who run the 100m... doesn't mean the athletes are better

It does mean that to sustain that at a high level for that long, you have to be at a certain athletic level. I don't dispute it's no proof of athletic superiority, but it does indicate that there's an elevated athletic baseline that's higher than other professional sports.

[DAF86]

Yeah but what's the weight of these players? I've never seen a 300LBS Futbol player. They're mostly thin, or of slight muscular build relative to their size.

That's why they are athletes. And don't underestimate soccer players' strength, they are strongly built, specially from the waist down

[DAF86]

And I don't have respect for Baseball comparatively, I actually have stated many times before that I hold Futbol players above Baseball players. But Football is a different animal. And not all DL/OL are fat. I can point out numerous physically fit OL/DL.

No, it isn't. I might give you basketball but your average NFL player isn't more athletic than your average soccer player, not even close.

[spurraider21]

It does mean that to sustain that at a high level for that long, you have to be at a certain athletic level. I don't dispute it's no proof of athletic superiority, but it does indicate that there's an elevated athletic baseline that's higher than other professional sports.
distance run is an arbitrary baseline to use... there are many things involved in athletics outside of distance running

[DAF86]

distance run is an arbitrary baseline to use... there are many things involved in athletics outside of distance running

Soccer players are above average in pretty much all of those, that's why they are some of the best athletes in the World.

[Venti Quattro]

Soccer players are above average in pretty much all of those, that's why they are some of the best athletes in the World.

The coaches are a reflection of the sport's fitness levels.... Basketball and football have coaches which are pretty fit, which reflects that both sports require a lot of fitness to be able to participate in.

American Football and Baseball... :lmao :lmao :lmao

[spurraider21]

cristiano is considered to be an elite athlete in the soccer world, and his vertical jump is something like 30 inches

[Spur-Addict]

No, it isn't. I might give you basketball but your average NFL player isn't more athletic than your average soccer player, not even close.

:lol We'll just have to agree to disagree. If your argument is centered around OL/DT and some QBs that's not going to cut it, as they are a small fraction of a Football team. There are so many positions that more often than not have superb athletes. DBs/LBs/RBs/WR's/DE's. TE's are probably 50/50.

[DAF86]

:lol We'll just have to agree to disagree. If your argument is centered around OL/DT and some QBs that's not going to cut it, as they are a small fraction of a Football team. There are so many positions that more often than not have superb athletes. DBs/LBs/RBs/WR's/DE's. TE's are probably 50/50.

Let's count: 5 ofensive linemen plus the QB (you know the most important position on the sport), I'll play nice so let's pretend TE's, FB's, RB's and WR's are all elite athletes (which we know it's rarely the case but well I don't need more). That's 6 out of 11 players that are below average in terms of elite athleticism. In football every fucking player (with the exception of maybe the keeper) needs to be above average in every fucking athletic trait to be able to play at an elite level. There's just no argument to be had.

[Spur-Addict]

Let's count: 5 ofensive linemen plus the QB (you know the most important position on the sport), I'll play nice so let's pretend TE's, FB's, RB's and WR's are all elite athletes (which we know it's rarely the case but well I don't need more). That's 6 out of 11 players that are below average in terms of elite athleticism. In football every fucking player (with the exception of maybe the keeper) needs to be above average in every fucking athletic trait to be able to play at an elite level. There's just no argument to be had.

That's ONE side of the ball. 22 players play consistently and there's a 53 man roster. There certainly is an argument to be had

[DAF86]

That's ONE side of the ball. 22 players play consistently and there's a 53 man roster. There certainly is an argument to be had

OK, let's bring defensive linemen, linebackers, kickers and punters into the equation. The % of above average athletes would still be less than the almost 100% soccer matches have. And let's not get into the discussion of having to use around 22 different players to play just 11 minutes of actual playing time vs 11 players for the 50 something minutes of actual playing time that soccer has.

[Venti Quattro]

cristiano is considered to be an elite athlete in the soccer world, and his vertical jump is something like 30 inches

You don't need a 39" vertical leap to be successful in football. What you need is very good foot-eye coordination and athleticism to overpower strong defenses

[testies]

Who cares about athleticism? Spurs are proof that skill > monkeyballing..

Bottom line is : soccer you have to play it since you are like 4 years old to even be in a squad rotation of any team playing in any leagues first division

in American sports you hear about guys picking up the sport in high school and becoming pro

Basketball player from Brazil Fab Melo started playing in college and made it to the NBA

skill level in soccer and depth is 100, no wait, 10012390213921093821093 times better than any american sport

[ElNono]

cristiano is considered to be an elite athlete in the soccer world, and his vertical jump is something like 30 inches

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[spurraider21]

OK, let's bring defensive linemen, linebackers, kickers and punters into the equation. The % of above average athletes would still be less than the almost 100% soccer matches have. And let's not get into the discussion of having to use around 22 different players to play just 11 minutes of actual playing time vs 11 players for the 50 something minutes of actual playing time that soccer has.
defensive ends are some of the most athletic freaks on the planet when you consider the amount of weight they need to keep on to match up with offensive linemen

[spurraider21]

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yeah i've seen that. i got the 30 inches from what i had read on a few different sites. that snapshot is taken from a lower vantage point which makes it tough to tell exactly how high his head is in relation to the post

[ElNono]

But yeah, you don't need a huge vertical leap for that sport, just like you don't need to be 7 feet tall... although, good goalies do normally fit those two criteria...

[ElNono]

It's actually pretty crazy when you get to go watch an NBA game live, how skinny/lanky the players really are. TV is really deceiving on that.

[DAF86]

defensive ends are some of the most athletic freaks on the planet when you consider the amount of weight they need to keep on to match up with offensive linemen

So?

[Spur-Addict]

OK, let's bring defensive linemen, linebackers, kickers and punters into the equation. The % of above average athletes would still be less than the almost 100% soccer matches have. And let's not get into the discussion of having to use around 22 different players to play just 11 minutes of actual playing time vs 11 players for the 50 something minutes of actual playing time that soccer has.

You can't bring time into it because Futbol doesn't have nearly the level of physical exertion strength wise. Try having to exert the level of strength every play and talk to someone about minutes. Try being a 200lbs DB coming up to make a tackle and having to get by a 300LB OL. And everyone sees the ball get passed back and forth, then waiting for an eventual opening to strike in Futbol. You make it seem as if they sprint consistently the entire match.

You're grouping all defensive lineman together which is not reasonable. I'll grant you the category of DT, but DE is completely off limits. As are LBs, as I'll take a lot of LBs up against Futbol players athletically any day of the week. And you're underrating Kickers.

What needs to happen here is I think you need to think outside the realm of the game of Futbol, and think broadly about athleticism. If we think broadly in terms of athletic measurements I can show you the raw data of players who've been to the combine. It's all readily available, even the ones you think are not so athletic.

How many times can Messi bench press 225? How fast is his 40 yard dash? What's his vertical? What's his broad jump? What's his 20 yard shuttle? What's his 60 yard shuttle? I bet if we start looking at broad based athletic numbers your Futbol players won't match up.

[Spur-Addict]

So?

Speed, weight, agility and power combination is what he's trying to convey to you. Same with most LBs. Something that is not in the game of Futbol on that level, whereas there as numerous players with traits of Futbol players in the game of Football. I'm going to bed. I'll catch up with you all soon. Will continue this discussion. I have to be up relatively soon.

[spurraider21]

So?
its easier to be quick and agile if you're 5'9 and weigh 170 pounds

when you have to be quick and agile at 6'3 280, its an entirely different level of athlete

[Infinite_limit]

Who cares about athleticism? Spurs are proof that skill > monkeyballing..

Bottom line is : soccer you have to play it since you are like 4 years old to even be in a squad rotation of any team playing in any leagues first division

in American sports you hear about guys picking up the sport in high school and becoming pro

Basketball player from Brazil Fab Melo started playing in college and made it to the NBA

skill level in soccer and depth is 100, no wait, 10012390213921093821093 times better than any american sport
http://media.giphy.com/media/ijoJB1vGhLdde/giphy.gif

[benefactor]

Let's count: 5 ofensive linemen plus the QB (you know the most important position on the sport), I'll play nice so let's pretend TE's, FB's, RB's and WR's are all elite athletes (which we know it's rarely the case but well I don't need more). That's 6 out of 11 players that are below average in terms of elite athleticism. In football every fucking player (with the exception of maybe the keeper) needs to be above average in every fucking athletic trait to be able to play at an elite level. There's just no argument to be had.
You actually have to pretty elite athletically to play on the O-Line in the pros. The endurance level that men with frames that size have is impressive as well. As spurraider said, it's a different type of athleticism...but not any less elite.

Take a guy like Duane Brown. The combination of quickness and strength he possesses at 6'4, 300lbs is something only a small percentage of people in the world that are his size have.

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/NFL-UP-Duane-Brown/28004848-2541-45b7-a403-c9d588df33d2

[Jodelo]

Is that the faggot who kicked it 20 feet over the goal in the WC Final?

Yes :lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao Instead of making a cross for a good chance, going for heroball. :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHpg8SguExM

[The Gemini Method]

Did you go to that shit when it was in LA? I remember Jim Rome saying they had to give tickets away for free when you bought gas and shit like that. :lol I remember that. I did go to the USA vs. Brazil game where the dude destroyed the American player with the elbow. We had to pay for those tickets but I was like only 9 or something

[DAF86]

You can't bring time into it because Futbol doesn't have nearly the level of physical exertion strength wise. Try having to exert the level of strength every play and talk to someone about minutes. Try being a 200lbs DB coming up to make a tackle and having to get by a 300LB OL. And everyone sees the ball get passed back and forth, then waiting for an eventual opening to strike in Futbol. You make it seem as if they sprint consistently the entire match.

You're grouping all defensive lineman together which is not reasonable. I'll grant you the category of DT, but DE is completely off limits. As are LBs, as I'll take a lot of LBs up against Futbol players athletically any day of the week. And you're underrating Kickers.

What needs to happen here is I think you need to think outside the realm of the game of Futbol, and think broadly about athleticism. If we think broadly in terms of athletic measurements I can show you the raw data of players who've been to the combine. It's all readily available, even the ones you think are not so athletic.

How many times can Messi bench press 225? How fast is his 40 yard dash? What's his vertical? What's his broad jump? What's his 20 yard shuttle? What's his 60 yard shuttle? I bet if we start looking at broad based athletic numbers your Futbol players won't match up.


Speed, weight, agility and power combination is what he's trying to convey to you. Same with most LBs. Something that is not in the game of Futbol on that level, whereas there as numerous players with traits of Futbol players in the game of Football. I'm going to bed. I'll catch up with you all soon. Will continue this discussion. I have to be up relatively soon.


its easier to be quick and agile if you're 5'9 and weigh 170 pounds

when you have to be quick and agile at 6'3 280, its an entirely different level of athlete

Maybe the most athletic NFL player is more athletic than the most athletic soccer player, maybe I don't know. But what I do know for sure is that if you make a competion of athletic traits between all NFL players and all soccer players the soccer players would win in a landslide.

[spurraider21]

yeah, i can buy that there are a lot more "out of shape" athletes in basketball/football than in futbol.

but i do think the best of the best athletes will be in the first two

[TampaDude]

Maybe the most athletic NFL player is more athletic than the most athletic soccer player, maybe I don't know. But what I do know for sure is that if you make a competition of athletic traits between all NFL players and all soccer players the soccer players would win in a landslide.

Of course, we're talking different types of "athleticism". Take a rookie NFL guy like Dante Fowler, who is a 6'3" 261 lb. defensive wrecking machine and compare him to a first-year soccer player on a top Euro team. Fowler has a huge advantage in size, strength, and explosiveness, but he would run out of breath and collapse if he had to chase the soccer player continually around the field for 90 minutes. The soccer player's superior agility and endurance would leave the NFL guy in the dust, gasping for air.

BTW...yes, Messi is awesome. :hat

[Spur-Addict]

You actually have to pretty elite athletically to play on the O-Line in the pros. The endurance level that men with frames that size have is impressive as well. As spurraider said, it's a different type of athleticism...but not any less elite.

Take a guy like Duane Brown. The combination of quickness and strength he possesses at 6'4, 300lbs is something only a small percentage of people in the world that are his size have.

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/NFL-UP-Duane-Brown/28004848-2541-45b7-a403-c9d588df33d2

This is precisely what I was referring to in regards to what is a "True Athlete". You have guys playing the O-Line that are freaks. Even Tyron Smith from the Cowboys, or even a less physically chiseled physique like Jason Peters and Joe Thomas. Just because they can't run 100 miles non stop doesn't mean they're not athletic. The larger the man, the less respect he receives from Futbol enthusiasts and that's ignorant. And there's a big difference between Football big and Baseball big and they seem to equate the two.

[DAF86]

This is precisely what I was referring to in regards to what is a "True Athlete". You have guys playing the O-Line that are freaks. Even Tyron Smith from the Cowboys, or even a less physically chiseled physique like Jason Peters and Joe Thomas. Just because they can't run 100 miles non stop doesn't mean they're not athletic. The larger the man, the less respect he receives from Futbol enthusiasts and that's ignorant. And there's a big difference between Football big and Baseball big and they seem to equate the two.

C'mon now, the one that started all this is you with your remark about soccer not being "athletic". Laughing at the idea of soccer being "athletic" when pretty much the entire World (even the folks that don't like soccer) agrees that is one of the most demanding sports in terms of athleticism, that's is my idea of "ignorant", tbh.

[Spur-Addict]

C'mon now, the one that started all this is you with your remark about soccer not being "athletic". Laughing at the idea of soccer being "athletic" when pretty much the entire World (even the folks that don't like soccer) agrees that is one of the most demanding sports in terms of athleticism, that's is my idea of "ignorant", tbh.

Never said they weren't athletes. I said in comparison to other major sports such as basketball (which you conceded to) and football (which you haven't but it doesn't matter), soccer isn't on the same level. Never said they were NOT athletic. You just got sore about it, and I can understand why if you're a Futbol enthusiast, and that's OK, love your sport to the death bro.

[DAF86]

Never said they weren't athletes. I said in comparison to other major sports such as basketball (which you conceded to) and football (which you haven't but it doesn't matter), soccer isn't on the same level. Never said they were NOT athletic. You just got sore about it, and I can understand why if you're a Futbol enthusiast, and that's OK, love your sport to the death bro.

Well, if you believe that then you are being ignorant, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

Americans are probably the only ones in the world that think American Football>football in terms of athletic ability, that being said, they're somewhat right. There's different things attributed to athletic ability. In terms of Power, Length, no doubt A. Football is more athletic. Endurance, agility and speed...American football is not even close to Football

Soccer is complex sport though. It's never just about athletic ability that's why it's impossible to be a pro player in soccer if you didn't play the game from age 7.

Power Griderion
Strength Griderion
Explosivness football
Speed Football
Endurance Football
Stamina Football
Skill...Not even close.

[Spur-Addict]

Well, if you believe that then you are being ignorant, tbh.

:tu

[DAF86]

To get the thread back on topic.


http://fat.gfycat.com/PortlyUnconsciousGoldenretriever.gif

Soccer crossover.

[Spur-Addict]

Jose Juan Barea Messi :lol