Top 10 starting line-ups in the NBA

[jermaine7fan]

These are my top 10 starting units... not necessarily the 10 best teams...

1. San Antonio
5- Nazr
4- Timmy D
3- Bowen
2- Ginobili
1- Parker

2. Detrash
5- Ben
4- Rasheed
3- Tayshaun
2- Rip
1- Billups

3. Indiana
5- Foster
4- JO
3- Ron
2- Jackson
1- Tinsley/Sarunas?

4. CLE
5- Big Z
4- Marshall
3- LeBron
2- Hughes
1- D. Jones

5. Denver
5- Camby
4- K-Mart
3- Melo
2- Peirce
1- Watson/Earl?

6. Sacramento
5- Miller
4- Shareef
3- Peja
2- Bonzi
1- Bibby

7. Pheonix
5- Amare
4- Kurt Thomas
3- Marion
2- James Jones (they want to keep Jackson coming off the bench)
1- Nash

8. Houston
5- Yao
4- Swift
3- McGrady
2- D. Anderson
1- Sura

9. Miami (they get dropped so low cause of an obvious chemistry problem)
5- Shaq
4- Haslem
3- Walker
2- Wade
1- Williams

10. DAL
5- Dampier
4- Dirk
3- Van Horn/Howard?
2- Stackhouse/Christie/Daniels?
1- Terry


Honorable Mention:

- Philadelphia
5- Dalembert
4- Webber
3- Korver
2- Igoudala
1- Iverson

- New Jersey
5- Jackson
4- Krstic
3- Jefferson
2- Vince
1- Kidd

[DieMrBond]

My picks would be this. I dont rate clevland as high as you did

1. Detroit (overall, they are the best imo)
5- Ben
4- Rasheed
3- Tayshaun
2- Rip
1- Billups

2. San Antonio
5- Nazr
4- Timmy D
3- Bowen
2- Ginobili
1- Parker

3. Sacramento
5- Miller
4- Shareef
3- Peja
2- Bonzi
1- Bibby

4. Pheonix
5- Amare
4- Kurt Thomas
3- Marion
2- James Jones (they want to keep Jackson coming off the bench)
1- Nash

5. Denver
5- Camby
4- K-Mart
3- Melo
2- Peirce
1- Watson/Earl?

6. Miami
5- Shaq
4- Haslem
3- Walker
2- Wade
1- Williams

7. Indiana
5- Foster
4- JO
3- Ron
2- Jackson
1- Tinsley/Sarunas?

8. Houston
5- Yao
4- Swift
3- McGrady
2- D. Anderson
1- Sura

9 - Philadelphia
5- Dalembert
4- Webber
3- Korver
2- Igoudala
1- Iverson

10. CLE
5- Big Z
4- Marshall
3- LeBron
2- Hughes
1- D. Jones

11- New Jersey
5- Jackson
4- Krstic
3- Jefferson
2- Vince
1- Kidd

12. DAL
5- Dampier
4- Dirk
3- Van Horn/Howard?
2- Stackhouse/Christie/Daniels?
1- Terry

[toosmallshoes]

San Antonio and Miami have to be at the top of the list because they have Duncan and Shaq. Those guys are a starting five incarnate. Every other team is "who are the starting five". The Spurs and the Heat are "who are the other four guys"?

[xcoriate]

Come on Detroit for number 1?

Seriously. You can't be number 1 without a first option. Don't get me wrong Detroit is a good, no great team but they don't really have a superstar per se. They have five players that rank in between a 6/10 and 8/10.

I dunno...

Detroit.
Big Ben - 8/10
Rasheed 8/10
Prince - 6/10
Rip - 7/10
Billups - 8/10

Spurs
Nazr - 6/10
Td - 10/10
Bowen - 7/10
Manu -9/10
Parker 8/10

Seriously you can't say Detroit overall has the more talented starting five.

[MI21]

Bowen > Prince?

Big call.

[Knoxville Spur]

Nazr > anybody in the Detroit starting lineup?

Don't see it.

[Admidave50]

Nazr > anybody in the Detroit starting lineup?

Don't see it.

Yeah but I think he puts the grades regarding the positions, Nazr is sure not better than anybody in Detroit starting lineup but he's better than an average Center so he deserves a 6/10.
But it doesn't mean that he equals Prince 6/10 who is more talented, you just have to see following each player's position.

[FoxMulder]

Nazr > anybody in the Detroit starting lineup?

Don't see it.

Just think if you trade him... who should come in return...

Nazr<Big Ben
Nazr<Billups
Nazr=Rasheed

[z0sa]

1. SAS

5-nazr
4-tdunc
3-bruce
2-manu
1-tp

2. DET

5-bwallace
4-rwallace
3-prince
2-mask
1-chauncey

3. PHO

5-amare
4-kthomas
3-marion
2-jones?
1-nash

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not convinced Marshall will start in Cleveland.

[jermaine7fan]

I'm not convinced Marshall will start in Cleveland.Me either... but I am leaning more that way

[SoupIsGood]

Detroit
Spurs
Pacers
Heat
Who cares

[Sense]

These are my top 10 starting units... not necessarily the 10 best teams...

1. San Antonio
5- Nazr
4- Timmy D
3- Bowen
2- Ginobili
1- Parker

2. Detrash
5- Ben
4- Rasheed
3- Tayshaun
2- Rip
1- Billups

3. Indiana
5- Foster
4- JO
3- Ron
2- Jackson
1- Tinsley/Sarunas?

4. CLE
5- Big Z
4- Marshall
3- LeBron
2- Hughes
1- D. Jones

5. Denver
5- Camby
4- K-Mart
3- Melo
2- Peirce
1- Watson/Earl?

6. Sacramento
5- Miller
4- Shareef
3- Peja
2- Bonzi
1- Bibby

7. Pheonix
5- Amare
4- Kurt Thomas
3- Marion
2- James Jones (they want to keep Jackson coming off the bench)
1- Nash

8. Houston
5- Yao
4- Swift
3- McGrady
2- D. Anderson
1- Sura

9. Miami (they get dropped so low cause of an obvious chemistry problem)
5- Shaq
4- Haslem
3- Walker
2- Wade
1- Williams

10. DAL
5- Dampier
4- Dirk
3- Van Horn/Howard?
2- Stackhouse/Christie/Daniels?
1- Terry


Honorable Mention:

- Philadelphia
5- Dalembert
4- Webber
3- Korver
2- Igoudala
1- Iverson

- New Jersey
5- Jackson
4- Krstic
3- Jefferson
2- Vince
1- Kidd


I like your list.

[yeahone]

spurs are number one

[Supergirl]

My list:

1. San Antonio - It's no contest, and we've got the ring to prove it.
Nazr/Rasho, Timmy D, Bowen, Ginobili, Parker

2. Detroit - Another no contest, but it's clear they don't have the edge over SA, although it's close. Timmy is the deciding factor.
Rasheed, Tayshaun, Ben, Chauncey, Rip.

3. Cleveland - This unit is excellent, defensively and offensively. But this will be their first year together.
Big Z, Marshall, LeBron, Hughes, D. Jones or Eric Snow

4. Houston - I thought they would go further this year than they did, and now they're even better.
Yao, Swift, McGrady, D. Anderson, Sura

5. Miami - I think that Williams may be their weakest link, defensively speaking and chemistry wise.
Shaq, Haslem, Walker, Wade, Williams

6. Denver - This unit was tough for us, and I think they'll be a year wiser and more experienced.
Camby, K-Mart, Melo, Miller, Nene

7. Indiana

8. Phoenix

9. Sacramento
Miller, Shareef, Peja, Bonzi, Bibby

10. Dallas

[jermaine7fan]

I like your list.Thank you... I believe I will drop DEN's starting line up to right above Houston.

[Brodels]

Philadelphia?

[jermaine7fan]

Philadelphia?
Korver and Webber drop them... for me... they were both too inconsistant and horrible in big situations. I like Webber... I hope he can play better in Philly this year than he did last year... If Webber and Korver can step up this year... I'll bump them.

[Medvedenko]

What about my lakers:

A. Mac.
Kobe
Odom
Kwame
Mihm/Slava.....
Running the tri, not a bad line up.....remember someone needs to stop Kobe and Odom is playing his natural position. A very tall and athletic line-up.

[ABDENOUR POWER]

Come on Detroit for number 1?

Seriously. You can't be number 1 without a first option. Don't get me wrong Detroit is a good, no great team but they don't really have a superstar per se. They have five players that rank in between a 6/10 and 8/10.

I dunno...

Detroit.
Big Ben - 8/10
Rasheed 8/10
Prince - 6/10
Rip - 7/10
Billups - 8/10

Spurs
Nazr - 6/10
Td - 10/10
Bowen - 7/10
Manu -9/10
Parker 8/10

Seriously you can't say Detroit overall has the more talented starting five.

I think Detroit is even with SA when it comes to the starting 5, its SA's bench that is the difference.

About your rankings....

1. Tayshaun is better than Nazr.
2. I think that Billups is better than Parker.

IMO....

Detroit:

Ben: 8/10
Sheed: 8/10
Tay: 7/10
Rip: 7/10
Billups: 9/10

San Antonio:

Nazr: 6/10
Duncan: 10/10
Bowen: 7/10
Ginobili: 9/10
Parker: 8/10

Thoughts?

[sprrs]

I think the Spurs and the Pistons were even on the starting lineup and the bench. Ben Wallace is obviously a better choice for center than NAzr, but Timmy is without a doubt a better option than Rasheed.

Timmy made the difference in the finals, and he's got the MVP trophy to prove it

[jermaine7fan]

What about my lakers:

A. Mac.
Kobe
Odom
Kwame
Mihm/Slava.....
Running the tri, not a bad line up.....remember someone needs to stop Kobe and Odom is playing his natural position. A very tall and athletic line-up.I'm sorry buddy... but I don't think that would make my top 10... you have a great three punch with Kobe, Kwame, and Odom... But IMO McKie and Mihm or Slava wouldn't start with most NBA teams... They bring your equation down alot IMO.

[jermaine7fan]

I think the Spurs and the Pistons were even on the starting lineup and the bench. Ben Wallace is obviously a better choice for center than NAzr, but Timmy is without a doubt a better option than Rasheed.

Timmy made the difference in the finals, and he's got the MVP trophy to prove itI think the rest of your team made a difference too... Manu, Parker, Horry, Bowen... they all outplayed their Piston counterparts if you ask me

[The Artest Factor]

MY TOP-5

#1 Indiana Pacers
Jeff Foster - 6.8
Jermaine O'Neal - 8.8
Ron Artest - 8.8
Stephen Jackson - 7.4
Jamaal Tinsley - 7.4
TOTAL - 39.2

#2 Phoenix Suns
Amare Stoudemire - 8.7
Kurt Thomas - 6.8
Shawn Marion - 8.6
Jim Jackson - 6.4
Steve Nash - 8.6
TOTAL - 39.1

#3 Detroit Pistons
Ben - 8.1
Sheed - 7.8
Tay - 7.2
Rip - 7.7
Billups - 7.5
TOTAL - 38.3

#4 Miami Heat
Shaquille O'Neal - 9.3
Udonis Haslem - 6.8
James Posey - 6.8
Dwyane Wade - 9.1
Jason Williams - 7.0
TOTAL - 38.0

#5 San Antonio Spurs
Nazr - 6.4
Duncan - 9.6
Bowen - 6.6
Ginobili - 8.0
Parker - 7.3
TOTAL - 37.9

[mookie2001]

groundbreaking

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

MY TOP-5

#1 Indiana Pacers
Jeff Foster - 6.8
Jermaine O'Neal - 8.8
Ron Artest - 8.8
Stephen Jackson - 7.4
Jamaal Tinsley - 7.4
TOTAL - 39.2

#2 Phoenix Suns
Amare Stoudemire - 8.7
Kurt Thomas - 6.8
Shawn Marion - 8.6
Jim Jackson - 6.4
Steve Nash - 8.6
TOTAL - 39.1

#3 Detroit Pistons
Ben - 8.1
Sheed - 7.8
Tay - 7.2
Rip - 7.7
Billups - 7.5
TOTAL - 38.3

#4 Miami Heat
Shaquille O'Neal - 9.3
Udonis Haslem - 6.8
James Posey - 6.8
Dwyane Wade - 9.1
Jason Williams - 7.0
TOTAL - 38.0

#5 San Antonio Spurs
Nazr - 6.4
Duncan - 9.6
Bowen - 6.6
Ginobili - 8.0
Parker - 7.3
TOTAL - 37.9


:lmao

Please keep the comedy coming!

[FreshPrince22]

It's a tough one between the Pistons and Spurs. I would say that the Pistons easily have the most well-rounded starting 5 in the league. No player really sticks out as that much better than another, and there are no weak points. If you ask 10 people to rank their starters from 1 to 5 you'll get 8 or 9 different lists. Where as with other teams you'll usually get a clear cut list.
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[mookie2001]

jeff foster is better than nazr and Bowen
and only .4 points worse than Tayshuan Prince

[Reggie Miller]

You have to rank SA first, because of Rasheed. IMHO, he pulls Detroit's overall score way down. A #4 that only takes jump shots and won't mix it up down low?

There is such a disparity in the quality of starting centers in the NBA that I have a hard time ranking the teams. Miami should probably be ranked higher for this reason, but they have some real liabilities as well.

[mookie2001]

rasheed is overrated
although he did block duncan like 19 times during the finals
but then again he couldnt jump

[The Artest Factor]

jeff foster is better than nazr and Bowen
and only .4 points worse than Tayshuan Prince
FOSTER vs MOHAMMED
Foster is a better rebounder and defender than Mohammed.
Mohammed is a better scorer, however both players are mediocre scorers so it's very small factor.
FOSTER'S BETTER

FOSTER vs BOWEN
Foster is a better scorer and rebounder than Bruce Bowen.
Bowen is a slightly better defender and passer.
The only huge difference between the two is in rebounding, where Foster was #3 in the league in rebounding rate.
FOSTER'S BETTER

FOSTER vs PRINCE
Foster is a better rebounder.
Prince is a better scorer and passer.
They're even defenders.
PRINCE IS BETTER

[E20]

Spurs should always be ranked one is because they won a championship with that lineup.

[FreshPrince22]

You have to rank SA first, because of Rasheed. IMHO, he pulls Detroit's overall score way down. A #4 that only takes jump shots and won't mix it up down low?


His offense isn't his strongest asset (even though he has the talent for it). It's his defense and unselfishness that make him a great player. He always gives JO and Duncan fits.

Plus, word has it, he's busting his ass this summer because he wants to make it up to the teammates he "let down" during the finals. I expect to see sheed in the post more often next year. Especially now that he has a coach who isn't in his back pocket.
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[jermaine7fan]

His offense isn't his strongest asset (even though he has the talent for it). It's his defense and unselfishness that make him a great player. He always gives JO and Duncan fits.

Plus, word has it, he's busting his ass this summer because he wants to make it up to the teammates he "let down" during the finals. I expect to see sheed in the post more often next year. Especially now that he has a coach who isn't in his back pocket.
He doesn't always... JO and Duncan were both injured when Rasheed faced them in the playoffs.

[mookie2001]

FOSTER vs MOHAMMED
Foster is a better rebounder and defender than Mohammed.
Mohammed is a better scorer, however both players are mediocre scorers so it's very small factor.
FOSTER'S BETTER

FOSTER vs BOWEN
Foster is a better scorer and rebounder than Bruce Bowen.
Bowen is a slightly better defender and passer.
The only huge difference between the two is in rebounding, where Foster was #3 in the league in rebounding rate.
FOSTER'S BETTER

FOSTER vs PRINCE
Foster is a better rebounder.
Prince is a better scorer and passer.
They're even defenders.
PRINCE IS BETTER
ROFL
bowen is a SLIGHTLY better defender than foster?

prince is better i admit that, but by less than half a point

are we talking about the same jeff foster, from san antonio that went to SWT?

[SoupIsGood]

Jeff is a damn good defender, Bowen is on another level though.

[jochhejaam]

I think Detroit is even with SA when it comes to the starting 5, its SA's bench that is the difference.

About your rankings....

1. Tayshaun is better than Nazr.
2. I think that Billups is better than Parker.

IMO....

Detroit:

Ben: 8/10
Sheed: 8/10
Tay: 7/10
Rip: 7/10
Billups: 9/10

San Antonio:

Nazr: 6/10
Duncan: 10/10
Bowen: 7/10
Ginobili: 9/10
Parker: 8/10

Thoughts?

I would adjust the following

Rip: 8/10
Parker 7/10

[FreshPrince22]

He doesn't always... JO and Duncan were both injured when Rasheed faced them in the playoffs.

Duncan has openly admitted that Rasheed gives him a hard time, and Jermaine knows it as well, he just has too much of an ego to admit it. Even when he isn't injured he struggles against Sheed a lot of the time. It's only fitting though since they are such close friends from portland that he knows most of his moves.

BTW, why are people comparing Jeff Foster to Bowen and Prince? That's just pointless.
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[picnroll]

I don't get the point of this in the least. When you take the players off your sheet of paper and put them on the floor everybody knows the Spurs play better than, function better as a team then the individuals. Pistons play as well as the individuals and the Pacers, etc play worse collectively than the individuals due to their overall low IQ to function as a team and teams like the Pacers have proven this over and over in the past choking and playing stupidly in crunch time when it counts. I doubt anything has changed.

[SoupIsGood]

I don't get the point of this in the least. When you take the players off your sheet of paper and put them on the floor everybody knows the Spurs play better than, function better as a team then the individuals. Pistons play as well as the individuals and the Pacers, etc play worse collectively than the individuals due to their overall low IQ to function as a team and teams like the Pacers have proven this over and over in the past choking and playing stupidly in crunch time when it counts. I doubt anything has changed.

THe Pistons are a great TEAM, not just a great collection of players. If they played as good as their players, they'd be a pretty good, but not great, team.

[picnroll]

THe Pistons are a great TEAM, not just a great collection of players. If they played as good as their players, they'd be a pretty good, but not great, team.
Not true. They have a lot of individula talent, particularly on defense where every starter with the possible exception of Hamilton is a well above average defender, most in the top ten for their postion in the league. They play well but not vastly above their individual talent. On offense it's a different story.

On defense the Spurs are a notch or two below them in total omn individual talent imo but they more than make up for it by their near immaculate teamwork on defense. They roatate as a unit, not one player reacting after the first and then a delay with the third reacting after the second. No other team in the league comes close in that functionality. Ceratinly not the Pacers, undoubtedly not the Heat or Suns.

On offense the Spurs are evolving into a multi-dimensional offense. more varied and cohesive than any of those other teams. At their best I think they can rival the Kings in their heyday in the passing game. And a killer that the Spurs have in spades unlike any other of the above mentioned teams is outside shooting, even more so than last year with NVE and Finley added. Ask Detroit what that meant last year in the playoffs.

[SoupIsGood]

I don't care whether it's team or man-to-man defense, the Pistons play great defense, better than the Spurs IMO. Their frontcourt is simply incredible, it doesn't get any better than a defensive trio of Prince, Rasheed, and Ben.

They aren't a great offensive team, but they also don't have any true go-to scorer; whereas the Spurs have two in Manu and Tim. The Pistons get production out of their offense through team-oriented, unselfish play.

Besides, if the Spurs have the talent to rival the Kings offensively, then why didn't they last year? Wouldn't that mean they played below their talent level...?

[sprrs]

I think the rest of your team made a difference too... Manu, Parker, Horry, Bowen... they all outplayed their Piston counterparts if you ask me

In some individual games, certain players outplayed their couterparts, games one and two, for example, Manu tore the Pistons defense apart. Games three and four were different though. The same could be said about the Pistons and Tayshaun Prince for example. Overall both teams palayed evenly during the series but the thing tha treally made a difference, the constant, was Duncan

[Dex]

Besides, if the Spurs have the talent to rival the Kings offensively, then why didn't they last year? Wouldn't that mean they played below their talent level...?

Because the Spurs focus is on defense, not offense. Which means instead of letting your whole team run as soon as the ball comes off the board, they leave guys back to have a better chance of securing the rebound. Instead of having 4 or 5 players crashing the offensive boards, they give up a few putbacks here or there to make sure theyve always got a couple guys getting back on defense. And they milk the clock, both by making smart choices on offense and locking down their opponents on defense, which means less shots, which means lower scores. If the Spurs focused on offense like the Kings or Suns, they could keep up. This was made evident by the WCF, when the Spurs beat Phoenix at their own run and gun game. But, as a general rule, they make the choice to not play that type of offense.

Oh, and last I checked, the Spurs were winning the championship while the Kings were making a quick first-round exit with their high octane offense.

[CalsonicKansei]

IMO, I think Det has the best Starting 5 in the NBA. We are good cause when they get tired our bench shits on theirs so... I think If its the 5 you want its gonna have to be DET cause they are really good at working together all the time, not that we aren't but they seem to stick together like glue, and If you break each of them down, yea 'Weed, and Big Ben, are the best, but as a team they are harder to beat.

[TOP-CHERRY]

IMO, I think Det has the best Starting 5 in the NBA. We are good cause when they get tired our bench shits on theirs so... I think If its the 5 you want its gonna have to be DET cause they are really good at working together all the time, not that we aren't but they seem to stick together like glue, and If you break each of them down, yea 'Weed, and Big Ben, are the best, but as a team they are harder to beat.
I agree.

They may not be extremely talented, but together they're very hard to beat.

[Warlord23]

MY TOP-5

#1 Indiana Pacers
Jeff Foster - 6.8
Jermaine O'Neal - 8.8
Ron Artest - 8.8
Stephen Jackson - 7.4
Jamaal Tinsley - 7.4
TOTAL - 39.2

#2 Phoenix Suns
Amare Stoudemire - 8.7
Kurt Thomas - 6.8
Shawn Marion - 8.6
Jim Jackson - 6.4
Steve Nash - 8.6
TOTAL - 39.1

#3 Detroit Pistons
Ben - 8.1
Sheed - 7.8
Tay - 7.2
Rip - 7.7
Billups - 7.5
TOTAL - 38.3

#4 Miami Heat
Shaquille O'Neal - 9.3
Udonis Haslem - 6.8
James Posey - 6.8
Dwyane Wade - 9.1
Jason Williams - 7.0
TOTAL - 38.0

#5 San Antonio Spurs
Nazr - 6.4
Duncan - 9.6
Bowen - 6.6
Ginobili - 8.0
Parker - 7.3
TOTAL - 37.9


This is so distorted it ain't even funny...
You're saying Parker (7.3), Tinsley (7.4), Billups (7.5) are roughly on the same level? Billups is head and shoulders above Tinsley, and Parker is better too. If Tinsley gets a 7.4, then Parker gets a 7.7, and Billups 8

And Bowen (6.6) is worse than Haslem (6.8), Posey (6.8) and Foster (6.8)!! Bowen, all-defensive 1st team, the #2 vote getter for DPOY .. he also led the league in 3 PT% in 2003 .. and shot more than adequately in the playoffs this year .. in the Spurs' system I'd value him at least around 7.5 or better

And how is Ginobili (8) inferior to Marion (8.6) .. the same Marion who found it difficult to score in double digits vs the Spurs in the WCF .. while Ginobili was busy taking over games in the 4th ... Ginobili>>Marion

[marcus]

we shouldn't answer anymore to what that gay pacers fan says. He just come here to free up his disappointment.

[TOP-CHERRY]

The Artest Factor = biggest homer I've met

It's silly to reply to his posts.

[NashtoAmare]

I'll take Marion anyday over Manu. I'm not just saying that because Phoenix is my team.Manu is just plain irritating. Everytime i watch a Spurs game he's on the groud acting like he's dead..thats so very lame.Manu has such talent i wish he'd just play and fall to the ground when he really does get knocked down.Besides that Marion is just better.oh.. and i don't want to hear the excuse of Marion not being able to score.Marion was like asleep during the WCF. He tried his best and had some finger problems.That's all a fan can ask for..

Go Suns!

[TOP-CHERRY]

and i don't want to hear the excuse of Marion not being able to score.Marion was like asleep during the WCF. He tried his best and had some finger problems.
Marion apologist.

[NashtoAmare]

Marion apologist.


Yeah.

[CalsonicKansei]

I'll take Marion anyday over Manu. I'm not just saying that because Phoenix is my team.Manu is just plain irritating. Everytime i watch a Spurs game he's on the groud acting like he's dead..thats so very lame.Manu has such talent i wish he'd just play and fall to the ground when he really does get knocked down.Besides that Marion is just better.oh.. and i don't want to hear the excuse of Marion not being able to score.Marion was like asleep during the WCF. He tried his best and had some finger problems.That's all a fan can ask for..

Go Suns!

whatever, if he was on you're team you'd be sucking his dick. And Marion was better previously then manu was. Its just that manu decides to earn what they pay him, in the playoffs, and Marion doesn't. Ginobili>Marion Yea, he does some clown acts now and then, but at least he gets to the basket at the right times. Id trade Ginobili's clowness over Marion's quietness anyday. I can't believe you call a finger problem a "bad day". Gino, was banged up so many times, if you had KRRT you'd be shitting yourself that he is still playing.

[DarkReign]

This thread is pretty silly to begin with, but I will bite.

The line that seperates number 1 and number 2 is razor-thin.

I think Detroit's starting 5 is number 1
SA is a close, close second.

BUT!

Which is the better overall TEAM?

Look no further than the '05 Finals for that answer. Scary part...SA did nothing this off-season but UPGRADE its already outstanding bench. With Finley in the fold, that puts Bowen on the bench, which increases their offense, but downgrades their defense.

But really, lets not make it sound like Bowen doesnt play for SA anymore. I think he will be backing up the #2 and 3 postions giving him plenty of minutes. Basically, the aquisition of Finley improves them significantly.

What did Detroit do? Whoooooole lot of nuthin. No better, no worse...yet. JoeD is hoping Delfino, Arroyo, and (fingers crossed) Darko progress and become servicable off the bench. But while Detroit is 'hoping', SA is knowing.

I believe Miami doesnt even make the ECF this year. Just a hunch.

I believe Detroit whoops in the 1st round, plays the perrenial series against Indy in the 2nd (with the perrenial 6-game win) and plays (*gasp*) Cleveland in the ECF. Detroit wins in 6.

SA will roll on everyone in the West. The West just isnt as evenly matched as the East. NOT saying the East is better...no sir. Just saying that SA is sooooooo much better than everyone else that it isnt really fair.

Rematch of '05 in the Finals. SA will win only because of all the questions Detroit still has off the bench. Gino is one year older, meaning one year better. TD is...well, TD. Parker I have ZERO respect for. Sorry, IMO, hes way overrated. Nazr is....serviceable I guess. Bowen, Finley and Van Exel are going to be the key ingredients (with a little splash of Big Shot Bob).

If I had to predict, SA in 7 (again). Maybe even 6. They are the class of the league (as much as it pains me to say that).

[nkdlunch]

With Finley in the fold, that puts Bowen on the bench, which increases their offense, but downgrades their defense.

But really, lets not make it sound like Bowen doesnt play for SA anymore. I think he will be backing up the #2 and 3 postions giving him plenty of minutes. Basically, the aquisition of Finley improves them significantly.


Are u saying Bowen will come off the bench??? NO WAY DUDE. Bowen is a starter.

[JamStone]

BEST STARTING LINE-UP

Elmo - 10/10
Oscar the Grouch - 8/10
Cookie Monster - 9/10
Aloysius Snuffleupagus - 9/10
Big Bird - 10/10

You can't argue with those ratings. And, if Oscar the Grouch would just pass the ball a little more, he'd probably be a 9/10 too. No weak links. Big Bird and Snuffleupagus have size no other team can compete with. Cookie Monster is a lock-down defender and will get you points in the paint and on the perimeter. And, Elmo is simply the best do-everything, go-to point guard since Magic Johnson.

[JamStone]

BEST STARTING LINE-UP

Elmo - 10/10
Oscar the Grouch - 8/10
Cookie Monster - 9/10
Aloysius Snuffleupagus - 9/10
Big Bird - 10/10

You can't argue with those ratings. And, if Oscar the Grouch would just pass the ball a little more, he'd probably be a 9/10 too. No weak links. Big Bird and Snuffleupagus have size no other team can compete with. Cookie Monster is a lock-down defender and will get you points in the paint and on the perimeter. And, Elmo is simply the best do-everything, go-to point guard since Magic Johnson.



Translation: this is a silly and quite unnecessary topic

[nkdlunch]

It's the offseason! most topics are silly + unnecessary

[DarkReign]

Are u saying Bowen will come off the bench??? NO WAY DUDE. Bowen is a starter.

I dont read SA newspapers...

Has Finley publicly stated he is ready to play off the bench? Last time I heard, that was a very crucial point for him.

I am prepared to be wrong.

[TOP-CHERRY]

I dont read SA newspapers...

Has Finley publicly stated he is ready to play off the bench? Last time I heard, that was a very crucial point for him.

I am prepared to be wrong.
Actually, it was the first thing Pop said to him. That he would be coming off the bench, sometimes playing limited minutes. He accepted this, as long as he had a better shot at a ring.

[nkdlunch]

that's right. He's just here to collect his ring. :)

[TOP-CHERRY]

that's right. He's just here to collect his ring. :)
You're wrong if you think he's not gonna work for it. He is a very underrated player, I think. He's a great team player and his offense is going to be very much needed in this team. As is Van Exel's.

[nkdlunch]

My point was that he's was never supposed to be a key piece to this team. Spurs sought after him just because it was logical, he was the best available FA and they didn't want him to go to Heat,Detroit or Suns.

In the future he might become key to us. But at this point he's not.

And underrated???? have you been paying attention at how all the teams were kissing his ass for weeks to lure him?

[TOP-CHERRY]

My point was that he's was never supposed to be a key piece to this team. Spurs sought after him just because it was logical, he was the best available FA and they didn't want him to go to Heat,Detroit or Suns.
Maybe that was one of the reasons, but you also have to remember the offensive droughts we would have last year. Not many Spurs players were very constant. I strongly thought one of the reasons the Spurs wanted him was because of his offensive consistency. At least everytime Pop calls his number, he won't wonder if he'll have trouble scoring.


And underrated???? have you been paying attention at how all the teams were kissing his ass for weeks to lure him?
Yeah, obviously all those teams knew his worth. I'm talking about how the Mavericks treated him. How they dumped him after they thought he was worthless. I really think he was just not a good fit for Dallas considering how they're trying to mold the team into. Finley is a great player. And I'm glad his talent will finally be put into good use (hopefully).

[The Artest Factor]

This is so distorted it ain't even funny...
You're saying Parker (7.3), Tinsley (7.4), Billups (7.5) are roughly on the same level? Billups is head and shoulders above Tinsley, and Parker is better too. If Tinsley gets a 7.4, then Parker gets a 7.7, and Billups 8
Tinsley's overall game is superior to both Parker and Billups.
Shooting - Billups > Tinsley > Parker
Passing - Tinsley > Billups = Parker
Rebounding - Tinsley > Parker = Billups
Defense - Billups > Tinsley > Parker
Overall - Tinsley = Billups > Parker

I only gave Tinsley a 7.4 because of his injuries. If he would've completed the whole season, he would've been around a 7.6-7.7.


And Bowen (6.6) is worse than Haslem (6.8), Posey (6.8) and Foster (6.8)!! Bowen, all-defensive 1st team, the #2 vote getter for DPOY .. he also led the league in 3 PT% in 2003 .. and shot more than adequately in the playoffs this year .. in the Spurs' system I'd value him at least around 7.5 or better
Bowen's overall game is scary bad. It's about total impact on the game, and whatever Bowen brings to the game on defense is countered by how horrible his overall game is. 32 mpg, 8.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.5 apg is one of the worst statlines I've ever seen. It's on a Michael Curry-level of suckiness :lol


And how is Ginobili (8) inferior to Marion (8.6) .. the same Marion who found it difficult to score in double digits vs the Spurs in the WCF .. while Ginobili was busy taking over games in the 4th ... Ginobili>>Marion
Manu's not that great. Marion's a lot better. Get over it.

[mookie2001]

Tinsley's overall game is superior to both Parker and Billups.
Passing - Tinsley > Billups = Parker
Rebounding - Tinsley > Parker = Billups
Overall - Tinsley = Billups > Parker


Bowen's overall game is scary bad. It's about total impact on the game, and whatever Bowen brings to the game on defense is countered by how horrible his overall game is. 32 mpg, 8.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.5 apg is one of the worst statlines I've ever seen. It's on a Michael Curry-level of suckiness :lol


Manu's not that great. Marion's a lot better. Get over it.

dude, you dont know shit
jamal tinsley???
lol better than billups??????????
bowens offense is bad, but hes a great 3pt shooter and doesnt take that many shots, thus allowing OTHER players to take his shots that a normal starter might take

and shawn marion sure did outshine manu in the WCF

[shyne]

Pg- Nick Van Exel
Sg- Micheal Finly
SF-Brent Barry
PF-Robert Horry
C- Fabricio Oberto

[mookie2001]

i like

beno udrih
nick van exel
mike finley
robert horry
fabricio oberto

better

[ABDENOUR POWER]

Tinsley's overall game is superior to both Parker and Billups.
Shooting - Billups > Tinsley > Parker
Passing - Tinsley > Billups = Parker
Rebounding - Tinsley > Parker = Billups
Defense - Billups > Tinsley > Parker
Overall - Tinsley = Billups > Parker

I only gave Tinsley a 7.4 because of his injuries. If he would've completed the whole season, he would've been around a 7.6-7.7.


You're crazy. Billups > Parker > Tinsley. Heck, I might even take Bowen over Tinsley....

[ABDENOUR POWER]

I think the rest of your team made a difference too... Manu, Parker, Horry, Bowen... they all outplayed their Piston counterparts if you ask me

I don't think that Parker outplayed Billups....

[FreshPrince22]

Some people vastly underrate Bowen's contribution. Without Bowen's insane defense on Rip and Chauncey the Pistons would have won the finals in 5-6 games. He gained tons of respect from me during that series. He made Chauncey and Rip look like High School players when he was on them.
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[NashtoAmare]

whatever, if he was on you're team you'd be sucking his dick. And Marion was better previously then manu was. Its just that manu decides to earn what they pay him, in the playoffs, and Marion doesn't. Ginobili>Marion Yea, he does some clown acts now and then, but at least he gets to the basket at the right times. Id trade Ginobili's clowness over Marion's quietness anyday. I can't believe you call a finger problem a "bad day". Gino, was banged up so many times, if you had KRRT you'd be shitting yourself that he is still playing.

I'm sorry even if Manu was on my team there's no way i could like him.He just bothers me!Oh and a "bad day" more like a bad month.I'm not making an excuse about Marions finger because thats just as lame as Manu acting like a clow all the time.All i'm saying is Marion plays good defence,can dunk quite well,hit jumpers,hit free throws,and make 3's. Thats a good player to me.

[z0sa]

Manu plays good defensive, can dunk quite well, hit jumpers, is an ace from the foul line, and hits three's with reckless abandon... and hes much better at driving to the hole and creating his own shot than Marion. Marion has no plays run for him, all his stats from hustle and athleticism... thats why when you put a good defender like Bowen on him, hes shut down pretty easily.

[Sense]

I'm sorry even if Manu was on my team there's no way i could like him.He just bothers me!Oh and a "bad day" more like a bad month.I'm not making an excuse about Marions finger because thats just as lame as Manu acting like a clow all the time.All i'm saying is Marion plays good defence,can dunk quite well,hit jumpers,hit free throws,and make 3's. Thats a good player to me.

Manu doesn't play good defense? Can't Dunk quite well? Can't Hit jumpers, free throws or 3's?


rofl.

[NashtoAmare]

I never said Manu couldn't do the things i said.I'm not even sure how you can compare Marion and Manu when they don't even play the same spot??

[TOP-CHERRY]

^Hypocrite:


I'll take Marion anyday over Manu.

[NashtoAmare]

What do expect me to say i'm a Suns fan?? I don't see any Spurs fans picking Marion over Manu..Normaly Suns fans pick Suns players...Am i not right??

[TOP-CHERRY]

Over your head...

You're complaining that people are comparing Marion to Manu when they don't play the same position... When you compared them yourself earlier in this thread. Hence the "hypocrite" comment.

[mookie2001]

remember when they actually played against eachother ????
in the nba western confrence finals?????????

[z0sa]

To me, this thread is fairly pointless because there's really only two team competing: the Detroit Pistons and the San Antonio Spurs. These are the two teams that made it all the way to the Finals. IMO the Spurs are much better offensively in the starting lineup than Detroit and the slightest bit less defensively, which I think makes the Spurs Starting 5 overall just better than the Pistons.

[Oscar DeLa]

remember when they actually played against eachother ????
in the nba western confrence finals?????????


i don't know what it is
but i think Manu had a better series

[spurs=bling]

[QUOTE=jermaine7fan]These are my top 10 starting units... not necessarily the 10 best teams...


2. Detrash
5- Ben
4- Rasheed
3- Tayshaun
2- Rip
1- Billups

:lmao :lmao :lmao