Danny Green HUGE UPDATE

[wildbill2u]

We're not talking about a single game performance. The comment was about whether DG has worked on his game. He has and he is much improved. It wasn't that long ago the guy's career was all but over. That doesn't mean he has Steph Curry handles, just means he's improved.

Just checked his stats on Basketball Reference because of your arguement and found I was right. His shooting percentage has been up and down, not a consistent improvement. If you go to this past year he was down for the year-- and in the playoffs, compared to 13 or 14, he was way down, shooting .344 instead of over .40% overall.

Maybe he started reading his news clips and partying too much as though he was above all the other shooting guards in the league. Happens to a lot of guys when they start having some success. The two gym rats on the Spurs are TD and Kwahi. Hard to believe that TD still puts in so much time in practice after all these years, but Kwahi seems to be made of the same stuff.

[AFBlue]

He's a 3&D guy. That's his role and that's what he's elite at. Obviously he's not an elite overall player but that is irrelevant...since if he was a complete player we wouldn't have enjoyed him the past couple years at $3-4 mill per year and he'd be way above our price range this off-season.

His D is there all the time. His shooting is there most of the time, that's as good as you can expect from a 3&D guy.

Elite at 3&D implies he's consistently elite at hitting 3s and playing D. I just disagree he's consistent in either case. Most of the time I don't notice his D, which would imply it's not as impactful or elite as you suggest. Unlike Kawhi who routinely makes positive plays on defense that make you notice. As for his 3s, the streaks are well documented.

You and I just have a difference of opinion on what elite means and just how consistently good Danny is. I think we'll have to leave it at that.

[Malik Hairston]

Are Spurs fans really stupid enough to think that a 38-year old Tim Duncan that can't defend the pick&roll or defend switches or defend the perimeter is the reason the Spurs were an elite defense the past 3 years?

It's also strange that these idiots are also questioning the playoff success of a guy with a career 3-point percentage of 42-43% on 4.5 attempts per game:lol..

I hate old basketballs fans, still stuck in the antiquated days of basketball:lol..

[FkLA]

Just checked his stats on Basketball Reference because of your arguement and found I was right. His shooting percentage has been up and down, not a consistent improvement. If you go to this past year he was down for the year-- and in the playoffs, compared to 13 or 14, he was way down, shooting .344 instead of over .40% overall.

Maybe he started reading his news clips and partying too much as though he was above all the other shooting guards in the league. Happens to a lot of guys when they start having some success. The two gym rats on the Spurs are TD and Kwahi. Hard to believe that TD still puts in so much time in practice after all these years, but Kwahi seems to be made of the same stuff.

There's only so much you can improve with 3 PT percentages. Once you're above 40% you're doing something right. His 3PTers made continued to go up and we started seeing more and more plays run for him to get him open looks. I'd call that improvement.

[Malik Hairston]

Kawhi was the DPOY this year, yet his defense looked horrendous in the Clippers series..did he forget how to play defense? No:lol..tough to blame Green and Leonard when Duncan can't defend screens, Splitter can't move and the coach doesn't make a single adjustment against the same play the Clippers ran for the entire series..

[Malik Hairston]

TWO WORDS - MATT BONNER

And that was the issue with Green this year. No shot, average at best defense. Dont care that he slumped in shooting. Care that he looked like he was pouting and uninterested the whole time he played defense. Cannot have that. We need an enforcer or intensity guy. This year it was Tim and Mills. No real momentum changers on either end (besides Tim/Patty) and that's why we lost. NO ENERGY = NO RING.

Danny Green is more interested in the club scene and dancing than he is being a bad-ass. And that's why he can walk. Doesnt have the intangibles to get him paid. Same idiots who give the Tiago Defense speech are the same douches giving the Danny = elite.

:lmao the same personnel without the enforcer and the same "intensity guys" won a championship 9 months prior to the Clippers series..smh..

[FkLA]

Elite at 3&D implies he's consistently elite at hitting 3s and playing D. I just disagree he's consistent in either case. Most of the time I don't notice his D, which would imply it's not as impactful or elite as you suggest. Unlike Kawhi who routinely makes positive plays on defense that make you notice. As for his 3s, the streaks are well documented.

You and I just have a difference of opinion on what elite means and just how consistently good Danny is. I think we'll have to leave it at that.

Which 3&D guy in the league fits your idea of elite? At the end of the day they're still role players so I don't think any of them will be consistent day in and day out. I think Green is as good as it gets tbh.

[tholdren]

Which 3&D guy in the league fits your idea of elite? At the end of the day they're still role players so I don't think any of them will be consistent day in and day out. I think Green is as good as it gets tbh.
then they aren't elite by your own definition.

[tholdren]

:lmao the same personnel without the enforcer and the same "intensity guys" won a championship 9 months prior to the Clippers series..smh..

smh - the whole team brought intensity to each series at some point during the run. Danny made layups, enough said

[FkLA]

Elite relative to other 3&D guys, dumb dumb.

[Malik Hairston]

smh - the whole team brought intensity to each series at some point during the run. Danny made layups, enough said

Why do you think they decided to stop trying hard?

[tholdren]

Elite relative to other 3&D guys, dumb dumb.
so you want to find an inconsistent role-player?

[tholdren]

Why do you think they decided to stop trying hard?
I think only the mentally weak guys didnt play hard; Danny, Leonard, Tony, Tiago, Boris. I think Tim, Patty, and Marco always play hard. I think Manu couldnt find a rhythm and was pissed that the 5 no shows weren't playing with urgency.

From my perspective it's part character, part generational. Never in a 100 years would I have ever gone out and partied it up with opponents, whether I won or lost. I hate to see that hugging, friendly, lovey-dovey. I want the 80's-90's fight on the court, break it up, then get back to the game. I wont watch this garbage once Tim and Manu are gone. Too much stupid, ghetto, trash. And this is why I could care less if Tiago/Danny are gone.

[AFBlue]

Which 3&D guy in the league fits your idea of elite? At the end of the day they're still role players so I don't think any of them will be consistent day in and day out. I think Green is as good as it gets tbh.

Bruce Bowen tbqh.

[FkLA]

Bruce Bowen tbqh.

1. Bowen wasn't the shooter Danny is.

2. Bowen is retired.

[tholdren]

1. Bowen wasn't the shooter Danny is.

2. Bowen is retired.

Bowen was a 45% 3pt shooter in the playoffs with the spurs. Danny is a 43% shooter.

Bowen was a TERRIBLE FT shooter though.

[pgardn]

Are Spurs fans really stupid enough to think that a 38-year old Tim Duncan that can't defend the pick&roll or defend switches or defend the perimeter is the reason the Spurs were an elite defense the past 3 years?

It's also strange that these idiots are also questioning the playoff success of a guy with a career 3-point percentage of 42-43% on 4.5 attempts per game:lol..

I hate old basketballs fans, still stuck in the antiquated days of basketball:lol..

Tell me who in God's name defends the rim and rebounds could get close to matching Tim on OUR team?

Dont be stupid.

We don't sniff going 7 games with the Clips without Tim.
We don't come close to winning a championship last year without Tim.

Just to be different please refrain from making perfectly silly statements. His timing and length on D and rebounding are absolutely essential to our overall defense. Especially if Tiago can actually move freely without "calving" up. D is also a team game. The wings can take more risks with Tim laying back.

[Ice009]

Danny is a very hard decision for me. For around 8 million, I don't think there is anyone else I'd rather have, but for 10 million or more, I'd probably let him go. I don't think we can afford to pay anyone 10 million plus that can't create their own shot. We are really starting to become starved for players that can create their own shot, and if Manu leaves, then we really need to add another creator or two. Defense alone isn't worth 9-10 million. His three point shooting is also too streaky. He's amazing when he's on, but he's not on consistently like a Steve Kerr or a Kyle Korver.

I don't want to let Boris go either. He can create and distribute. All I want from him is to come into camp in better shape. If he comes into camp overweight again, I'd be willing to let him go too. Splitter, I just don't trust anymore. I love his defense when he's healthy, but that doesn't seem to be too often, plus on top of that, his offense is putrid. If we had to trade someone, Splitter would be my first choice. Actually, Parker would be my first choice to trade by far, but I don't think that is going to happen.

[blizz]

Still stuck on what the guy did in the past. You can't have it that way AND talk shit about a guy who was a finals MVP.

[Malik Hairston]

Tell me who in God's name defends the rim and rebounds could get close to matching Tim on OUR team?

Dont be stupid.

We don't sniff going 7 games with the Clips without Tim.
We don't come close to winning a championship last year without Tim.

Just to be different please refrain from making perfectly silly statements. His timing and length on D and rebounding are absolutely essential to our overall defense. Especially if Tiago can actually move freely without "calving" up. D is also a team game. The wings can take more risks with Tim laying back.

That's my point..I wasn't knocking Duncan, I'm saying it's silly to think he's the only reason the Spurs have ranked in the top 3 in defense the past 3 years, considering he's 38 and has trouble moving on D..

[Malik Hairston]

Still stuck on what the guy did in the past. You can't have it that way AND talk shit about a guy who was a finals MVP.

That was 8 years ago:lmao..

[AFBlue]

1. Bowen wasn't the shooter Danny is.

2. Bowen is retired.

There isn't one in today's game. Bowen and Artest were the last elite guys at 3&D. Would say Ariza approached it some years, but he didn't keep the shooting up. Beverley and Bradly have a shot, but obviously they are not wings. Either way, I would sacrifice them to add a second go-to player.

[Ice009]

Still stuck on what the guy did in the past. You can't have it that way AND talk shit about a guy who was a finals MVP.

Who are you referring to? If it's Parker, then I'm going to say - You guys need to get it through your skulls that Tim Duncan was by far the Spurs best player in those playoffs. WAKE THE FUCK UP AND GO BACK AND WATCH THOSE PLAYOFF GAMES. Watch the games against the toughest opponents in the West. Not the finals, the games against the tougher teams in the West. Tim was by far the playoff MVP. The only reason Parker has that finals MVP is because he took advantage of a PG match up that was heavily in his favour. Spurs don't get anywhere near the finals if it wasn't for TD. Tony was very good in those playoffs, but he was nowhere near the team MVP. Tim Duncan was easily the Spurs MVP.

WAKE THE FUCK UP. I really don't want to hear anyone else mention Parker's finals MVP like he was the Spurs' best player. It almost makes me think that Tim should have been more selfish in the finals so we don't constantly get these idiots that bring up that finals MVP.

[xellos88330]

Love Green. Hate Green. I love what he brings to the team defensively. I love that he is a true 3 pt threat. I hate that if you take away his 3, he is practically useless out there. It is almost like playing offense 4 on 5.

[look_at_g_shred]

:lmao DG a system player

Dude is an elite defender you fucking idiots. Well worth the money.

[pad300]

I really think that people in this thread discussing what Danny's worth for a contract need to start thinking in terms of the future salary cap. The TV deal will multiply the current cap by at least 1.5 times, and maybe up to 2 times, http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/17/report-nba-predicts-89-million-salary-cap-in-2016-22-million-jump-and-it-keeps-going-up/ . Given the number of players on the roster won't change (max 15), and there is still a max salary (which I expect the owners to try and hold the line on, next contract), there is going to be a lot more money out there for the NBA middle class. That $10 million per year people are talking about, will effectively be the MLE by 2017... At that point, yes, we should re-sign him for that much. A Danny Green for the MLE is a pretty good deal. You will still need stars, and Danny isn't one of them, but he's still worth that $10 Million/year in terms of the future salary cap.

[blizz]

Love Green. Hate Green. I love what he brings to the team defensively. I love that he is a true 3 pt threat. I hate that if you take away his 3, he is practically useless out there. It is almost like playing offense 4 on 5.

Someone gets it. You can't have that come playoff time. You lose a starter that you've counted on all season and he's gone just like that. He seemed disinterested and his D wasn't all that great.

[blizz]

That was 8 years ago:lmao..
I don't care how long ago it was. You're giving DG a pass because of what he did in the first 3 games of the finals 3 years ago. A finals that we would have won if he had kept it up. He choked big time the rest of the way and played like he did against the clippers. But yeah it's totally ok because well, he DID have those good 3 games.

[blizz]

Who are you referring to? If it's Parker, then I'm going to say - You guys need to get it through your skulls that Tim Duncan was by far the Spurs best player in those playoffs. WAKE THE FUCK UP AND GO BACK AND WATCH THOSE PLAYOFF GAMES. Watch the games against the toughest opponents in the West. Not the finals, the games against the tougher teams in the West. Tim was by far the playoff MVP. The only reason Parker has that finals MVP is because he took advantage of a PG match up that was heavily in his favour. Spurs don't get anywhere near the finals if it wasn't for TD. Tony was very good in those playoffs, but he was nowhere near the team MVP. Tim Duncan was easily the Spurs MVP.

WAKE THE FUCK UP. I really don't want to hear anyone else mention Parker's finals MVP like he was the Spurs' best player. It almost makes me think that Tim should have been more selfish in the finals so we don't constantly get these idiots that bring up that finals MVP.
Oh I know Timmy was better but Tony had a good enough series to be considered. That means he played very well. So if DG gets a pass because of what he has done in the past, then Tony does too. Simple. I personally think they BOTH played like shit this last playoffs, Tony seemed hurt and out of shape, DG has no excuse. His problem is mental and he's done this before. Keep him for about the same as he makes now, MAYBE a tiny bit more, 5mil maybe. Anything else, and he's replaceable. Easily.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

PROBABLY. What this means, they will gauge to see what the FA market values Green. I told you guys, Green is worth no more than 8 mil a year, period. If some teams pays 10 or more mil a year, the Spurs will let him walk or S&T him.

Green is a very very good defender. But I would rather the Spurs make a run at Afflalo, who is a better offensive player than Green not much of a drop on the defensive end.

Maybe the Spurs can work out something with Portland where they get Green and Splitter for LA and Afflalo. I love Green as well as Splitter, but if Green doesn't hit his 3's like the Clips series or Splitter keeps on getting injured, the run at a championship is over anyways.

A lineup of LA, Duncan, Kawhi, Afflalo and Parker would rival any starting lineup in the league. Add a bench of Mills, Manu, Diaw, possibly Baynes and Beli and the Spurs would still be championship contenders.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I really think that people in this thread discussing what Danny's worth for a contract need to start thinking in terms of the future salary cap. The TV deal will multiply the current cap by at least 1.5 times, and maybe up to 2 times, http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/17/report-nba-predicts-89-million-salary-cap-in-2016-22-million-jump-and-it-keeps-going-up/ . Given the number of players on the roster won't change (max 15), and there is still a max salary (which I expect the owners to try and hold the line on, next contract), there is going to be a lot more money out there for the NBA middle class. That $10 million per year people are talking about, will effectively be the MLE by 2017... At that point, yes, we should re-sign him for that much. A Danny Green for the MLE is a pretty good deal. You will still need stars, and Danny isn't one of them, but he's still worth that $10 Million/year in terms of the future salary cap.


Wow, the Midlevel is 5mil a year. The current cap is going to be 67 mil a year.

The projected Salary cap is going to be around 90. which is a 34% increase of the current cap. So if you take into account that increase into the MLE, the MLE should go up to 6.7 mil, not 10mil.

At 10 mil, you would be overpaying for Green. When look at defensive 3 point specialist around the league, they at most make 7mil a year. Allen, who is probably the best of these, only makes the MLE. Considering Green's age, he will get more, but at 10mil a year, which a desperate team might do, you would be overpaying.

[DMC]

Best if Green doesn't tweet about things before they transpire. Silence is the best response.

Without Tim and Manu, Danny is pointless. He'll be great on another team, but he cannot dribble the ball and is relegated to being a good defender who can shoot the 3. That's valuable, but not for a rebuilding team at the price he's going to command.

Spurs are going to blow it up.

I realize that sounds like a knee jerk response, because almost any other team in the league that even made the playoffs wouldn't consider blowing it up, but the Spurs are an anomaly in that they are not going to get better with the current roster. They can only get worse. They can do better than they did last year if luck is on their side, but Manu is due a season ender as are Tim and Tony. We know KL uses his hands relentlessly (like Lefty) and that makes him susceptible to injury. So their ceiling, imo, is 2nd round next year. Do you want to pay guys that much to get where you've been over and over? If it's the ring, sure, but not just to make the playoffs and just delay the obvious.

Then again, it's going to hinge on whether or not Manu and Tim want to return. Both have small kids, both are retirement age for NBA players and both have enough success under their belts to never need another dribble to feel they've accomplished what they want to accomplish. I think it has to do with being able to let go of the routine and not feeling like they're abandoning the team. Regardless, they'll still be involved somehow, if they can find any room in the hangers on club next to George, Sean and David.

[Brazil]

:lol So Kawhi struggles in D is due to Tim Duncan... I've heard it all

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Tim's coming back and Manu will follow if that happens. Both IMO will retire after next season. It's best to make changes now so that the Spurs can still be competitive for another year. Get LA, bring in Afflalo. Trade Splitter and Green to Portland to team up with Lillard.

Portland already said they wanted to build around Lillard and both Green and Splitter would be great playing next to him as neither one require to have to ball in their hands on the offensive end.

Spurs have one more run in them IMO w/ Duncan and Manu. Bring in Afflalo and resign Beli. They can play the majority of the minutes while Manu stays fresh and healthy. Duncan can rest more as LA would carry the majority of the Offensive load in the post. You can resign Bonner just for the regular season play to keep the Spurs bigs fresh during the year.

Like Pop said, they will be changes. If there are, I would love to see the Spurs get LA and Afflalo. These two would really lessen the scoring Burden on both Parker and Duncan for the regular season and would keep everyone fresh for the playoffs.

Afflalo said he is done in Portland and LA tweet basically was a goodbye and thank you to the Portland organization, which makes me think he is done with Portland as well.

Even after Duncan -- Parker, Afflalo, LA, Kawhi (pending C FA or Draft), the Spurs could still contend.

Maybe it was good the Spurs got dropped early so everyone can comeback healthy for next season. Pop said the Spurs may look considerably different. If these are the changes, that would be great IMO.

[Johnny RIngo]

Tim's coming back and Manu will follow if that happens. Both IMO will retire after next season. It's best to make changes now so that the Spurs can still be competitive for another year. Get LA, bring in Afflalo. Trade Splitter and Green to Portland to team up with Lillard.

Portland already said they wanted to build around Lillard and both Green and Splitter would be great playing next to him as neither one require to have to ball in their hands on the offensive end.

Spurs have one more run in them IMO w/ Duncan and Manu. Bring in Afflalo and resign Beli. They can play the majority of the minutes while Manu stays fresh and healthy. Duncan can rest more as LA would carry the majority of the Offensive load in the post. You can resign Bonner just for the regular season play to keep the Spurs bigs fresh during the year.

Like Pop said, they will be changes. If there are, I would love to see the Spurs get LA and Afflalo. These two would really lessen the scoring Burden on both Parker and Duncan for the regular season and would keep everyone fresh for the playoffs.

Afflalo said he is done in Portland and LA tweet basically was a goodbye and thank you to the Portland organization, which makes me think he is done with Portland as well.

Even after Duncan -- Parker, Afflalo, LA, Kawhi (pending C FA or Draft), the Spurs could still contend.

Maybe it was good the Spurs got dropped early so everyone can comeback healthy for next season. Pop said the Spurs may look considerably different. If these are the changes, that would be great IMO.

:lol Afflalo was the only NBA starter that played worse than Tony in these playoffs. And you want to pair those two together for next year? Might as well ask TD to retire if you're going to ask him to play with two of the worst players in the NBA.

[Mikeanaro]

The Danny Green era should be over, he is not 10 mil good for a 67 mil salary cap, maybe for 200 mil.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

:lol Afflalo was the only NBA starter that played worse than Tony in these playoffs. And you want to pair those two together for next year? Might as well ask TD to retire if you're going to ask him to play with two of the worst players in the NBA.

He was bad. He just didn't fit the Portland System. I think in the Spurs system he would thrive. Just my opinion. I remember when a lot of posters wanted him a few years back. Spurs would be buying low selling high as Afflalo would be cheaper than Green at this point and not much of a drop off.

Afflalo was really successful in Karl's system which is similar to the Spurs offensive system in utilizing the fast pace PnR style that has been run lately. Afflalo was successful in Vaughn's Spurs system as well. This makes me think he would be successful in Pop's system as well.

Green as a deadbeat player when the Spurs first got him. Got cut by the Cavs and this is the Cavs after Lebron left, that is what NBA GMs though about him. Its amazing how a coach and a system can really benefit a player.

[Chinook]

He was bad. He just didn't fit the Portland System. I think in the Spurs system he would thrive. Just my opinion. I remember when a lot of posters wanted him a few years back. Spurs would be buying low selling high as Afflalo would be cheaper than Green at this point and not much of a drop off.

Afflalo was really successful in Karl's system which is similar to the Spurs offensive system in utilizing the fast pace PnR style that has been run lately. Afflalo was successful in Vaughn's Spurs system as well. This makes me think he would be successful in Pop's system as well.

Green as a deadbeat player when the Spurs first got him. Got cut by the Cavs and this is the Cavs after Lebron left, that is what NBA GMs though about him. Its amazing how a coach and a system can really benefit a player.

Lol at thinking Green was a bad player with the Cavs because he didn't pass Byron Scott's eye test. It's pretty clear now that Danny is a better player than Afflalo, whose style of offense doesn't fit the Spurs at all. Yeah, let's have four post players and Tony Parker as the SL. No spacing issues there.

I'm not totally against the idea of trading away Green for the right offer. But the team will be down to NO SGs in such a scenario. They better have a plan to bring in multiple guards, and hopefully someone better than Affalo as the lead.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

So what's the huge update?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Lol at thinking Green was a bad player with the Cavs because he didn't pass Byron Scott's eye test. It's pretty clear now that Danny is a better player than Afflalo, whose style of offense doesn't fit the Spurs at all. Yeah, let's have four post players and Tony Parker as the SL. No spacing issues there.

I'm not totally against the idea of trading away Green for the right offer. But the team will be down to NO SGs in such a scenario. They better have a plan to bring in multiple guards, and hopefully someone better than Affalo as the lead.

Spurs cut him twice as well. He had an attitude problem and didn't do what his coaches told him to do from what was rumored. What's funny is, when everyone on this site first hated Green because he wasn't athletic enough and struggled early on, I advocated that he would be a very good player in this system because he had a High BB IQ and played good defense. He eventually showed what I had initially saw in him.

As for Afflalo, he has shot close to .400 from 3's for his career and was over .400 when he played in the fast pace keep on passing until you find the open guy Karl offense w/ the Nuggets, a role he would resume in the Spurs system.

So what if he can work the high post, doesn't means he has to every play. That's a huge benefit over Green as the Spurs will have another player that can create his own shot. Go watch Afflalo highlights back in the day with the Nuggets where he wasn't the primary scorer and was more of spot up shooter. He can easily resume that role with the Spurs and get a ton of open looks.

And no, Green is not clearly the better player. Green can't create for himself to save his life, something Afflalo has proven he can do time and again. Green is better defensively but its not by a huge margin by any means.

[Mikeanaro]

Spurs cut him twice as well. He had an attitude problem and didn't do what his coaches told him to do from what was rumored. What's funny is, when everyone on this site first hated Green because he wasn't athletic enough and struggled early on, I advocated that he would be a very good player in this system because he had a High BB IQ and played good defense. He eventually showed what I had initially saw in him.

As for Afflalo, he has shot close to .400 from 3's for his career and was over .400 when he played in the fast pace keep on passing until you find the open guy Karl offense w/ the Nuggets, a role he would resume in the Spurs system.

So what if he can work the high post, doesn't means he has to every play. That's a huge benefit over Green as the Spurs will have another player that can create his own shot. Go watch Afflalo highlights back in the day with the Nuggets where he wasn't the primary scorer and was more of spot up shooter. He can easily resume that role with the Spurs and get a ton of open looks.

And no, Green is not clearly the better player. Green can't create for himself to save his life, something Afflalo has proven he can do time and again. Green is better defensively but its not by a huge margin by any means.
That moment where he cant pass or shoot is really frustrating, his ball handling skills are frustrating, and his drives to the lane are just depressing.

[Chinook]

Spurs cut him twice as well. He had an attitude problem and didn't do what his coaches told him to do from what was rumored. What's funny is, when everyone on this site first hated Green because he wasn't athletic enough and struggled early on, I advocated that he would be a very good player in this system because he had a High BB IQ and played good defense. He eventually showed what I had initially saw in him.

Um, people loved Green from jump street. I've gone back and looked at the archives. They didn't think he was special, but they saw he was solid. That was critical given the players who manned the wing before him. He came out like Gangbusters the next year, but that wasn't because he started playing differently.


As for Afflalo, he has shot close to .400 from 3's for his career and was over .400 when he played in the fast pace keep on passing until you find the open guy Karl offense w/ the Nuggets, a role he would resume in the Spurs system.

The Nuggets were faced paced, but they weren't nearly as unselfish as the Spurs. They were more of a "run until you drop" team that got threes in transition. That happens from time to time in the Spurs' system, but Danny gets most of his from making himself open for passes (not just parking in a corner). Two different styles.


And no, Green is not clearly the better player. Green can't create for himself to save his life, something Afflalo has proven he can do time and again. Green is better defensively but its not by a huge margin by any means.

He actually is. He's a better shooter and defender and a rebounder. For all of Afflalo's play-making, he and Green average almost the same number of assists, while Aaron averages more turnovers. That he can drive is a terrible reason to say he's better. Al Jefferson can create his own shot, but he's not a better player than Serge Ibaka.

[Malik Hairston]

:lol NBA fans and name recognition.

Afflalo hasn't been a good defensive player since his first year in Denver, actually..he has been a below average to poor defender according to any metric you choose..

I'd probably rather have Beli over Afflalo, tbh:lol..

[Malik Hairston]

I don't care how long ago it was. You're giving DG a pass because of what he did in the first 3 games of the finals 3 years ago. A finals that we would have won if he had kept it up. He choked big time the rest of the way and played like he did against the clippers. But yeah it's totally ok because well, he DID have those good 3 games.

:lol what? Green shot 48% from 3 on 5 attempts per game just 9 months ago on last year's title team..do you people actually follow the Spurs or do you just follow Parker and masturbate to his looping movement all Game?

That was 9 months ago, not 8 years ago:lol..

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

He actually is. He's a better shooter and defender and a rebounder. For all of Afflalo's play-making, he and Green average almost the same number of assists, while Aaron averages more turnovers. That he can drive is a terrible reason to say he's better. Al Jefferson can create his own shot, but he's not a better player than Serge Ibaka.

I never said Afflalo was better, just offensively. There is a reason I think Green is worth more if you read my previous post and why I feel a team is going to over pay him.

I just said that I believe Afflalo would be cheaper and would be an adequate replacement as well as bring another dynamic offensively for the Spurs. Afflalo shot just was good as Green from 3pt land under Karl.

And that fast pace push it up the floor 3 pt style of play is what cause the Spurs to Blow out the Blazers in 4 games, Blowout OKC in 3 and Blowout the Heat in the 3 games as well in last year's playoff. That style works the best for the Spurs. So yes, Afflalo has shown he can hit the transition and the corner 3. Just watch his highlights with Orlando.

I would rather keep Green, if you want to know. But it looks like the Spurs won't retain him at this point. If they do, I would be happy. I would like to see him stay. But if they don't, Afflalo, imo, is a perfect player to replace Green with.

If you have another player in mind, please discuss it.

[Beaverfuzz]

Simply put, if they can't afford Green...then they're looking at Gasol/LMA or other HUGE salary players. Status quo doesn't work even if Kiwi gets a huge deal.

Affllalo sucks on defense compared to Green.

[timtonymanu]

Holy shit there are some retarded takes in this thread.

[Chinook]

I never said Afflalo was better, just offensively. There is a reason I think Green is worth more if you read my previous post and why I feel a team is going to over pay him.

First off, the only way the Spurs save functional cap space is if they pay an SG less than $7.6475 Million in 2015. If Green gets $12 Million a year and Afflalo gets $8 Million, it still doesn't save the Spurs any flexibility to sign Afflalo and let Danny walk. And before people start talking about future years, the difference in salary will look even less important in 2017 than it would next year. Add that to the fact that no one's given Danny that much money, and it's easy to see why arguing that he'll price himself out of the Spurs' range is incorrect.


I just said that I believe Afflalo would be cheaper and would be an adequate replacement as well as bring another dynamic offensively for the Spurs. Afflalo shot just was good as Green from 3pt land under Karl.

And that fast pace push it up the floor 3 pt style of play is what cause the Spurs to Blow out the Blazers in 4 games, Blowout OKC in 3 and Blowout the Heat in the 3 games as well in last year's playoff. That style works the best for the Spurs. So yes, Afflalo has shown he can hit the transition and the corner 3. Just watch his highlights with Orlando.

I feel like you didn't even read what I wrote in response to your "Karl ran a similar system as Pop" argument. They're not eh same at all, and Green and Afflalo didn't have the same roles within the offense. Danny moves a ton along the perimeter to get his looks. He's not Korver, but he's also not Bowen or Afflalo. He's very dynamic for a spot-up shooter. It's not just about percentages -- he takes harder shots and has a much larger gravity.


I would rather keep Green, if you want to know. But it looks like the Spurs won't retain him at this point. If they do, I would be happy. I would like to see him stay. But if they don't, Afflalo, imo, is a perfect player to replace Green with.


Why? Because of that Facebook post?


If you have another player in mind, please discuss it.

If they trade Splitter AND Green for Aldridge, they may as well give up on being an elite defense. Maybe they could sign Franklin and hope LJC or a draft pick (Justin Anderson) can play some D off the bench. But you don't replace Green, the same way you don't replace Splitter. Spurs took a long time to find someone to replace Bowen and an even longer time to find a legit defensive big to put next to Tim. You think they'll be able to fill those holes again in the same summer?

[Sean Cagney]

Who are you referring to? If it's Parker, then I'm going to say - You guys need to get it through your skulls that Tim Duncan was by far the Spurs best player in those playoffs. WAKE THE FUCK UP AND GO BACK AND WATCH THOSE PLAYOFF GAMES. Watch the games against the toughest opponents in the West. Not the finals, the games against the tougher teams in the West. Tim was by far the playoff MVP. The only reason Parker has that finals MVP is because he took advantage of a PG match up that was heavily in his favour. Spurs don't get anywhere near the finals if it wasn't for TD. Tony was very good in those playoffs, but he was nowhere near the team MVP. Tim Duncan was easily the Spurs MVP.

WAKE THE FUCK UP. I really don't want to hear anyone else mention Parker's finals MVP like he was the Spurs' best player. It almost makes me think that Tim should have been more selfish in the finals so we don't constantly get these idiots that bring up that finals MVP.
Tim is by far the best Spur ever and it's not even close IMO, he was the reason they were winning all those titles as the leader and anyone who denies that is crazy. Even against Detroit in that horrible game 5 he put in 26 and 19 I think? I also remember game 7 when the run started in the 3rd he had a huge and one to spark it, pumped his fist and screamed and them from there on out it was on.

[Johnny RIngo]

Who are you referring to? If it's Parker, then I'm going to say - You guys need to get it through your skulls that Tim Duncan was by far the Spurs best player in those playoffs. WAKE THE FUCK UP AND GO BACK AND WATCH THOSE PLAYOFF GAMES. Watch the games against the toughest opponents in the West. Not the finals, the games against the tougher teams in the West. Tim was by far the playoff MVP. The only reason Parker has that finals MVP is because he took advantage of a PG match up that was heavily in his favour. Spurs don't get anywhere near the finals if it wasn't for TD. Tony was very good in those playoffs, but he was nowhere near the team MVP. Tim Duncan was easily the Spurs MVP.

WAKE THE FUCK UP. I really don't want to hear anyone else mention Parker's finals MVP like he was the Spurs' best player. It almost makes me think that Tim should have been more selfish in the finals so we don't constantly get these idiots that bring up that finals MVP.

Don't let the retarded Parker fans get to you, bro. These guys are driven by an agenda and will distort facts and reality in order to get their shitty points across. Players fans like them are absolute scum - no different from the faggots at Lakersground. Every sensible Spurs fan knows TP's a choke artist. Always has been. Always will be. Facts don't lie. Duncan and Manu were the big two that carried our team in the playoffs.

[tholdren]

If they trade Splitter AND Green for Aldridge, they may as well give up on being an elite defense.


Danny had the chance to get paid. He pooped on himself in the playoffs. EVEN when his shot clanged around the rim, he played like a fradey-cat on defense. Cant have that shit. We need more dogs.

[Chinook]

Danny had the chance to get paid. He pooped on himself in the playoffs. EVEN when his shot clanged around the rim, he played like a fradey-cat on defense. Cant have that shit. We need more dogs.

Dude had five blocks and three steals in Game Seven. Some scared-ass D there.

[cjw]

Dude had five blocks and three steals in Game Seven. Some scared-ass D there.

Why do you speak reason with people who are deaf?

[tholdren]

Dude had five blocks and three steals in Game Seven. Some scared-ass D there.

oh shit, 5 blocks, nevermind, take leonard's dpoy trophy.

you do realize that both manu and cory had higher block percentages, correct? Additionally, a block doesnt mean shit, it's not even a god damn turnover. It's a hustle point, sure, but does not signify ANY defensive win.

Here are the players who had a HIGHER defensive win share than danny in the playoffs: Tim, Leonard, Patty, Boris, Marco, Manu.....

Shooting - Danny shot 34 percent. You all rag on tony for playing like shit, which he did, and he shot 36 percent from the floor.

Rebounding - Danny averaged 3 damn rebounds in 30 mpg - patty averaged 2.7 in 16mpg.

realistically both marco and patty outplayed green and it wasnt even close. Danny is supposed to be a really good defender. he played like shit. Danny is supposed to be a really good 3 pt shooter. he shot like shit.

Danny needs to give SA a hometown deal or gtfo. losing marco or patty for danny is ludicrous, especially after this playoff performance.

[BackHome]

oh shit, 5 blocks, nevermind, take leonard's dpoy trophy.

you do realize that both manu and cory had higher block percentages, correct? Additionally, a block doesnt mean shit, it's not even a god damn turnover. It's a hustle point, sure, but does not signify ANY defensive win.

Here are the players who had a HIGHER defensive win share than danny in the playoffs: Tim, Leonard, Patty, Boris, Marco, Manu.....

Shooting - Danny shot 34 percent. You all rag on tony for playing like shit, which he did, and he shot 36 percent from the floor.

Rebounding - Danny averaged 3 damn rebounds in 30 mpg - patty averaged 2.7 in 16mpg.

realistically both marco and patty outplayed green and it wasnt even close. Danny is supposed to be a really good defender. he played like shit. Danny is supposed to be a really good 3 pt shooter. he shot like shit.

Danny needs to give SA a hometown deal or gtfo. losing marco or patty for danny is ludicrous, especially after this playoff performance.

+1 The man speaks the truth!!!!!!!!!

[Malik Hairston]

^^ Wow, those are some painful posts to read, tbh:lmao..

[Malik Hairston]

I can't believe I read Tony Allen's name mentioned several times in this thread:lmao..the Spurs literally didn't guard him in the 2013 WCFs and now the Warriors finally realized the same thing in game 4..he's one of the worst offensive players in the history of the NBA..

[timtonymanu]

Might need to bump Robz post a 3rd time. :lol

[RD2191]

oh shit, 5 blocks, nevermind, take leonard's dpoy trophy.

you do realize that both manu and cory had higher block percentages, correct? Additionally, a block doesnt mean shit, it's not even a god damn turnover. It's a hustle point, sure, but does not signify ANY defensive win.

Here are the players who had a HIGHER defensive win share than danny in the playoffs: Tim, Leonard, Patty, Boris, Marco, Manu.....

Shooting - Danny shot 34 percent. You all rag on tony for playing like shit, which he did, and he shot 36 percent from the floor.

Rebounding - Danny averaged 3 damn rebounds in 30 mpg - patty averaged 2.7 in 16mpg.

realistically both marco and patty outplayed green and it wasnt even close. Danny is supposed to be a really good defender. he played like shit. Danny is supposed to be a really good 3 pt shooter. he shot like shit.

Danny needs to give SA a hometown deal or gtfo. losing marco or patty for danny is ludicrous, especially after this playoff performance.
plz plz stop posting

[Chinook]

oh shit, 5 blocks, nevermind, take leonard's dpoy trophy.

you do realize that both manu and cory had higher block percentages, correct? Additionally, a block doesnt mean shit, it's not even a god damn turnover. It's a hustle point, sure, but does not signify ANY defensive win.

Here are the players who had a HIGHER defensive win share than danny in the playoffs: Tim, Leonard, Patty, Boris, Marco, Manu.....

Shooting - Danny shot 34 percent. You all rag on tony for playing like shit, which he did, and he shot 36 percent from the floor.

Rebounding - Danny averaged 3 damn rebounds in 30 mpg - patty averaged 2.7 in 16mpg.

realistically both marco and patty outplayed green and it wasnt even close. Danny is supposed to be a really good defender. he played like shit. Danny is supposed to be a really good 3 pt shooter. he shot like shit.

Danny needs to give SA a hometown deal or gtfo. losing marco or patty for danny is ludicrous, especially after this playoff performance.

Dude, that's a bad take, full of cherrypicked stats that you don't even understand.

[BatManu20]

He gone.

597986999623098368

[Mikeanaro]

Maybe he went to watch some Broadway shows.

[weeks]

Lol nice. Almost got me...then I remembered he's from long island...wait....ahh shit

[ducks]

Watch Phil max him lol

[TheGreatYacht]

One man wing-stop is off to NY, fuck.

[Mikeanaro]

Maybe they sent him in a chopper.

[tholdren]

He gone.

597986999623098368

I can only hope this is true

[Perry Mason]

^^ Wow, those are some painful posts to read, tbh:lmao..

That's not an argument. Danny shit the bed these playoffs. Parker has the injury excuse. I know you losers don't like it. But Danny has no excuses.

[Sean Cagney]

I can only hope this is true

Let him go and who is your starting SG????

[Chinook]

That's not an argument. Danny shit the bed these playoffs. Parker has the injury excuse. I know you losers don't like it. But Danny has no excuses.

Lol. You call four bad shooting games "shitting the bed", and then you want to claim the intellectual high road with the even-keeled "factual" approach. You'd be well-served to stop acting like you don't have your own biases. Sure, the anti-Parker/CoK folks are annoying in their repetition. But there are a ton of folks who bring the bads who aren't part of their group.

[Robz4000]

Holy shit there are some retarded takes in this thread.

Looking at you tholdren (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=29395) and LongtimeSpursFan. If y'all are serious, stop posting. You are the cancer.

[$pursDynasty]

Sure, the anti-Parker/CoK folks are annoying in their repetition. But there are a ton of folks who bring the bads who aren't part of their group.

Preach on that part Chin.