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05-09-2015, 06:38 AM

Belicheat should be suspended too

Exactly, we're always reminded repeatedly that the boss is responsible and should be held to accounts. And if the boss didn't know he shoulda known and should be held to accounts. But, as soon as this report was released Media made damn sure to proclaim Belichek totally in the clear. It's horseshit.

unleashbaynes

05-09-2015, 09:20 AM

:lol NFL
:lol the Ray Rice situation where they ignored the video of him dragging his unconscious wife around and only gave him 2 games
:lol lengthening the suspension when the video goes public
:lol talking out of the side of their mouth about integrity
:lol time and resources wasted because of a few minimally deflated footballs
:lol trophy is already in the case

Clipper Nation

05-09-2015, 10:00 AM

Belicheat should be suspended too
Agreed... "ignorance isn't an excuse," according to Goodell during Bountygate. If I'm Sean Payton, I'm fucking livid if Belichick skates by without being punished.

Monostradamus

05-09-2015, 10:56 AM

:cry you're :cry talking :cry out :cry of :cry your :cry ass :cry
:lmao celebrating over "probably"

Monostradamus

05-09-2015, 10:57 AM

And word is Brady is lawyering up and preparing to sue the fuck out of the NFL if they try to suspend him without any actual proof of cheating, and that the NFLPA is gearing up to go to war with Goodell too. Brady won't miss a game, and he'll probably win his upcoming defamation lawsuit too.

Monostradamus

05-09-2015, 10:59 AM

Agreed... "ignorance isn't an excuse," according to Goodell during Bountygate. If I'm Sean Payton, I'm fucking livid if Belichick skates by without being punished.
Claiming ignorance over one player's alleged actions, versus claiming ignorance over HALF YOUR TEAM'S confirmed actions. Not even fucking comparable.

Clipper Nation

05-09-2015, 11:02 AM

Monostradamus

05-09-2015, 11:16 AM

You're talking out of your ass.
You wish. :lmao celebrating over "more probable than not"

Blake

05-09-2015, 12:34 PM

Jonathan Vilma sued the league for defamation over Bountygate.

No reason Tom can't or shouldn't sue here if they suspend him

Clipper Nation

05-09-2015, 01:16 PM

Jonathan Vilma sued the league for defamation over Bountygate.

No reason Tom can't or shouldn't sue here if they suspend him
Vilma still ended up serving some of his suspension, and his lawsuit was dismissed after the season.

Blake

05-09-2015, 01:54 PM

Brady has a better case....if they suspend him

Trill Clinton

05-09-2015, 02:28 PM

damian woody was keeping it 100. teddy was caping hard for brady, thought. dude is in denial and its sad to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tULjStNOpVc

Monostradamus

05-09-2015, 03:20 PM

damian woody was keeping it 100. teddy was caping hard for brady, thought. dude is in denial and its sad to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tULjStNOpVc
lol with his logic, Woody would also believe that Trayvon deserved it.

Clipper Nation

05-09-2015, 03:31 PM

Brady has a better case....if they suspend him

Hardly. They actually have evidence on Brady, they didn't have any on Vilma.

Trill Clinton

05-09-2015, 03:31 PM

lol with his logic, Woody would also believe that Trayvon deserved it.

evidence suggests trayvon deserved it. brady got caught, fam. he'll be okay.

Trill Clinton

05-09-2015, 03:42 PM

:lmao

https://soundcloud.com/maddogsportsradio/another-mad-dog-deflategate-rant-the-destruction-of-tedy-bruschi (https://soundcloud.com/maddogsportsradio/another-mad-dog-deflategate-rant-the-destruction-of-tedy-bruschi)

Avante

05-09-2015, 04:48 PM

The NFL is stupid. Don't they get the last thing the league needs right now is this? More negative press, sheesh~~~

They get a memo to Brady, that he will now be watched. That's it, done~~~~~~~

Spur-Addict

05-09-2015, 04:51 PM

Infinite_limit

05-09-2015, 04:54 PM

Monostradamus

05-09-2015, 04:59 PM

trayvon deserved it.

:lmao

Aztecfan03

05-09-2015, 07:56 PM

evidence suggests trayvon deserved it. brady got caught, fam. he'll be okay.
Never expected you to tell the truth on that.

vander

05-09-2015, 08:29 PM

Belichick is god

tuck rule
spygate
defllategate
Randy Moss
18-1
Matt Cassell

legend

SupremeGuy

05-10-2015, 03:55 AM

lol with his logic, Woody would also believe that Trayvon deserved it.I don't know about "deserved" it, but Zimmerman was certainly within his rights to do what he did, tbh.

evidence suggests trayvon deserved it. brady got caught, fam. he'll be okay.:wow

Mal

05-10-2015, 08:23 AM

Just imagine Brady being suspended 6 games and then Garroppoulo going 6-0

Blake

05-10-2015, 12:15 PM

Hardly. They actually have evidence on Brady, they didn't have any on Vilma.

Circumstantial evidence =/= proof

Monostradamus

05-10-2015, 12:42 PM

Hardly. They actually have evidence on Brady, they didn't have any on Vilma.
What evidence?

SupremeGuy

05-10-2015, 01:37 PM

What evidence?The balls being deflated?

Monostradamus

05-10-2015, 01:44 PM

The balls being deflated?
And what evidence is there that Brady had anything to do with that?

Monostradamus

05-10-2015, 01:45 PM

Just imagine Brady being suspended 6 games and then Garroppoulo going 6-0
Brady won't serve a 6 game suspension. They may suspend him for 6 games or more, but after appeal he'll get that reduced easily. Or he could go nuclear and sue the NFL and Ted Wells, and get the suspension completely overturned.

Spur-Addict

05-10-2015, 01:51 PM

http://lh5.ggpht.com/ivan1087/R2mYeQx2WTI/AAAAAAAABYM/nw3BlPHOZ4w/s1600/uncle+ruckus+guilty.jpg

SupremeGuy

05-10-2015, 02:02 PM

And what evidence is there that Brady had anything to do with that?Read the report. This isn't a court of law... "more probably than not" is the standard needed to punish someone in the NFL. According to the report, they met that standard. Any other questions?

spurraider21

05-10-2015, 02:02 PM

Brady won't serve a 6 game suspension. They may suspend him for 6 games or more, but after appeal he'll get that reduced easily. Or he could go nuclear and sue the NFL and Ted Wells, and get the suspension completely overturned.
You're talking out of your ass.

Monostradamus

05-10-2015, 02:02 PM

Read the report. This isn't a court of law... "more probably than not" is the standard needed to punish someone in the NFL. According to the report, they met that standard. Any other questions?
That's not evidence, that's a conclusion. I asked for evidence.

Monostradamus

05-10-2015, 02:05 PM

You're talking out of your ass.

I know you get a boner every time you can drop that line on me, but pick your spots. It doesn't even apply here.

SupremeGuy

05-10-2015, 02:17 PM

That's not evidence, that's a conclusion. I asked for evidence.The deflated balls?

Monostradamus

05-10-2015, 02:20 PM

The deflated balls?

Yeah no shit they were deflated. Now PROVE Brady had something to do with it.

SupremeGuy

05-10-2015, 02:30 PM

Yeah no shit they were deflated. Now PROVE Brady had something to do with it.They don't have to prove anything...

Read the report. This isn't a court of law... "more probably than not" is the standard needed to punish someone in the NFL. According to the report, they met that standard. Any other questions?

Monostradamus

05-10-2015, 02:31 PM

They don't have to prove anything...

We'll see how that holds up in an actual court when Brady sues the NFL.

Aztecfan03

05-10-2015, 02:32 PM

Circumstantial evidence =/= proof

Still more circumstancial evidence against Brady, though.

unleashbaynes

05-10-2015, 03:21 PM

If you refuse to cooperate with your employer over a matter like this then you open yourself up to punishment from your employer.

Where Brady fucked up was holding a press conference and acting like he didn't know what happened. If he kept his mouth shut or even just said that he personally likes the balls inflated on the lower end of what's allowable people wouldn't care.

Clipper Nation

05-10-2015, 03:27 PM

We'll see how that holds up in an actual court when Brady sues the NFL.

Considering that the language they used to phrase their conclusion is literally just legalese for "we have a preponderance of the evidence," I fail to see what the problem would be in court. And they have 243 pages' worth of evidence.

If Brady is really telling the truth, he could have actually cooperated with the investigation and let them look into his emails and text messages. Seems kind of odd that someone who claims to be innocent would rather pull a Hillary Clinton than do everything in his power to clear his name, though.

Monostradamus

05-10-2015, 04:06 PM

Considering that the language they used to phrase their conclusion is literally just legalese for "we have a preponderance of the evidence," I fail to see what the problem would be in court. And they have 243 pages' worth of evidence.

If Brady is really telling the truth, he could have actually cooperated with the investigation and let them look into his emails and text messages. Seems kind of odd that someone who claims to be innocent would rather pull a Hillary Clinton than do everything in his power to clear his name, though.

Considering Ted Wells lied and released completely unrelated text messages from the ball boys, it seems like Brady had good reason to think he wouldn't limit his search to just pertinent texts/emails.

Monostradamus

05-10-2015, 04:34 PM

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/58238148.jpg

SupremeGuy

05-10-2015, 09:52 PM

The fuck are you talking about? lol They DID deflate footballs. That's not even in question. It's become quite evident that no amount of proof will ever be enough to convince you of anything, tbh. You're a defense team's dream juror.

spurraider21

05-10-2015, 09:54 PM

It doesn't even apply here.
It absolutely applies. You are claiming "Brady won't serve a 6 game suspension." You are talking out of your ass.

monosylab1k

05-10-2015, 10:30 PM

It absolutely applies. You are claiming "Brady won't serve a 6 game suspension." You are talking out of your ass.

Quick! Get that ragin hard-on under control!

monosylab1k

05-10-2015, 10:36 PM

The fuck are you talking about? lol They DID deflate footballs. That's not even in question

ROFL what a fucking retard. In Ted Wells' opinion they deflated footballs. Nothing more. There is no concrete evidence, just circumstantial evidence, and enough to say "more probable than not". Which can work in a civil case, but even here, the plaintiff can state there's a preponderance of evidence all he wants, he still has to convince a jury. And juries have to actually sit for the entire trial, they can't just read the cliff's notes version, read buzz words the media wants you to read, then make a judgement.

pgardn

05-11-2015, 08:11 AM

ROFL what a fucking retard. In Ted Wells' opinion they deflated footballs. Nothing more. There is no concrete evidence, just circumstantial evidence, and enough to say "more probable than not". Which can work in a civil case, but even here, the plaintiff can state there's a preponderance of evidence all he wants, he still has to convince a jury. And juries have to actually sit for the entire trial, they can't just read the cliff's notes version, read buzz words the media wants you to read, then make a judgement.

So how did the footballs deflate?

Raven

05-11-2015, 08:13 AM

So how did the footballs deflate?

lol, that is none of brady's concern

SupremeGuy

05-11-2015, 08:36 AM

So how did the footballs deflate?Ted Wells' opinion!! :cry

Blake

05-11-2015, 08:40 AM

So how did the footballs deflate?

do you know something that nobody else does?

Chinook

05-11-2015, 08:47 AM

Pretty sure they have evidence that the balls were deflated. Come on. What they don't have is evidence that Brady was involved. But that wasn't the point of Wells' report. The investigation was whether the Pats deflated the balls. There's almost no doubt that that was the case.

That Pats cheated ... again. That much is established, so the shills can get off their high horses. As to whether the suspicion of Brady's involvement is enough to warrant a suspension, I'd say people seem to forget that the league suspends people for less than that.

Monostradamus

05-11-2015, 08:49 AM

So how did the footballs deflate?
Ideal Gas Law. 3 out of 4 Colts balls were underinflated for the same reason.

Monostradamus

05-11-2015, 08:52 AM

Pretty sure they have evidence that the balls were deflated. Come on.
No, they don't. Did you read the fucking report?

Chinook

05-11-2015, 08:54 AM

No, they don't. Did you read the fucking report?

So the balls in the Colts game were hearsay?

Monostradamus

05-11-2015, 08:57 AM

So the balls in the Colts game were hearsay?
The balls were underinflated, just like the Colts balls were underinflated. The Wells Report could not conclusively say cheating occurred, which is in the report. It was in Ted Wells' opinion that cheating occurred. Goodell trusts Ted Wells and will use his professional opinion to issue punishments, but that still doesn't make any of it fact.

Chinook

05-11-2015, 09:06 AM

The balls were underinflated, just like the Colts balls were underinflated. The Wells Report could not conclusively say cheating occurred, which is in the report. It was in Ted Wells' opinion that cheating occurred. Goodelll trusts Ted Wells and will use his professional opinion to issue punishments, but that still doesn't make any of it fact.

Bruh, almost everything we take as knowledge in this world is based on a person's opinion based on the data they've collected. The word "probably" doesn't actually mean anything. It's always implied in assertions of fact. The sun will (probably) rise tomorrow. The dinosaurs (probably) died from the fallout resulting from an asteroid crashing into the planet. Today is (probably) May 11. Adding in the word doesn't change the structure of the argument.

If Wells had said that it was his opinion that the Patriots DID know, would that have made you happier? "Probably" is good enough for the NFL, hence why it suspends people for crimes that never go to trial. Sports organizations use the opinions of consultants and arbiters all the time. Some of the biggest changes in the history of the NFL have come from one person's opinion.

Monostradamus

05-11-2015, 09:07 AM

The Wells Report clearly states there's no conclusive evidence cheating occurred. If you had read it you'd know that.

Chinook

05-11-2015, 09:11 AM

The Wells Report clearly states there's no conclusive evidence cheating occurred. If you had read it you'd know that.

But that doesn't matter. It was Wells' informed opinion that cheating occurred. The NFL gave him the power to make that judgment, and he did. There's nothing underhanded about the process, save for fact that Wells is a a hedging loser.

Spur-Addict

05-11-2015, 09:12 AM

:lmao

Monostradamus

05-11-2015, 09:13 AM

But that doesn't matter. It was Wells' informed opinion that cheating occurred. The NFL gave him the power to make that judgment, and he did. There's nothing underhanded about the process, save for fact that Wells is a a hedging loser.
Yeah that's what I just fucking said. YOU said there's evidence that the balls were deflated, which is absolutely false.

Chinook

05-11-2015, 09:22 AM

Yeah that's what I just fucking said. YOU said there's evidence that the balls were deflated, which is absolutely false.

No. It's true. You already admitted that. Unless you are really going to split hairs on 'underinflated' and 'deflated'.

Chinook

05-11-2015, 09:28 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De-A4SWJDUY

unleashbaynes

05-11-2015, 09:29 AM

just sucks because it continues a trend of the league not having any fucking clue what it's doing with regards to punishments for rules infractions. they seem to dole out punishments not because they're deserved, but because outside forces pressure them to. there is no consistency to what they do. and since the colts balls were found to be underinflated too, why wasn't there an investigation into that?

just your typical NFL/roger goodell shit show.

Spur-Addict

05-11-2015, 09:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De-A4SWJDUY

:lol Classic

Monostradamus

05-11-2015, 09:42 AM

No. It's true. You already admitted that. Unless you are really going to split hairs on 'underinflated' and 'deflated'.
One implies action taken on the balls, the other does not.

Chinook

05-11-2015, 09:46 AM

One implies action taken on the balls, the other does not.

Sure...

Blake

05-11-2015, 09:54 AM

unleashbaynes

05-11-2015, 10:09 AM

because the NFL is fucking stupid. have you not been paying attention to ANY of these recent "scandals"?

Chinook

05-11-2015, 10:16 AM

So why does it look like they're gonna just punish Brady and not the Pats as a whole.

Have no idea. Wells' report supposedly makes a stronger case for the team than for Brady. I wouldn't be surprised if the team were punished but the media just doesn't care enough to focus on it.

Blake

05-11-2015, 10:17 AM

Yah, Goodell is stupid and heavy handed at the wrong times.

And they have no evidence of Brady wrongdoing and they're gonna cower to public opinion again.

Got it.

pgardn

05-11-2015, 10:25 AM

lol, that is none of brady's concern

Sure.

QB are not the least bit concerned about the pressure and feel a their footballs.
Its not like that they actually care to check if they feel right.

Idiot....

Monostradamus

05-11-2015, 11:20 AM

So why does it look like they're gonna just punish Brady and not the Pats as a whole.
What's funny is the one case of clear, indisputable wrongdoing is McNally taking the game balls without the refs permission. That's absolutely against the rules and the Patriots should be punished accordingly. Instead they're going to punish for something without concrete evidence.

Raven

05-11-2015, 11:27 AM

Sure.

QB are not the least bit concerned about the pressure and feel a their footballs.
Its not like that they actually care to check if they feel right.

Idiot....

that's a strong argument right there, folks :lmao

DAF86

05-11-2015, 12:58 PM

And folks try to sell this Justin Bieber looking cheating little faggot as the GOAT. :lmao

Spur-Addict

05-11-2015, 01:16 PM

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pgardn

05-11-2015, 01:37 PM

that's a strong argument right there, folks :lmao

Brady is not the least bit concerned about the condition of his game balls...

Sure thing Captain America.

djohn2oo8

05-11-2015, 01:42 PM

Brady fucked up texting about the situation. Jeez.

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05-11-2015, 01:45 PM

Brady fucked up texting about the situation. Jeez.

He's a fuckin' low life cheat.

And all these fucking years I had no idea this ball protocol. I figured every fuckin' ball was standardized and the ref just grabbed one out of the "box" and placed it. Fuck, they're in there choosing and readying they particular balls and these are the only ones they use.

Forget it.

Spur-Addict

05-11-2015, 01:59 PM

He's a fuckin' low life cheat.

And all these fucking years I had no idea this ball protocol. I figured every fuckin' ball was standardized and the ref just grabbed one out of the "box" and placed it. Fuck, they're in there choosing and readying they particular balls and these are the only ones they use.

Forget it.

:lol A newborn, seeing the world for the first time eh thread

Raven

05-11-2015, 02:04 PM

Brady is not the least bit concerned about the condition of his game balls...

Sure thing Captain America.

it does not concern him HOW they have been deflated (naturally or manually), if the ball feels good to him when he has it in his hands, that's all he should care about.

Monostradamus

05-11-2015, 02:04 PM

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05-11-2015, 02:34 PM

:lol A newborn, seeing the world for the first time eh thread

So you're saying you knew there were chosen balls for the QB's?

Obviously it's been a well kept secret, a behind the curtain situation. Total shit.

Blake

05-11-2015, 03:07 PM

if the ball feels good to him when he has it in his hands, that's all he should care about.

Heh heh hehhhhhhhhh

Raven

05-11-2015, 03:20 PM

Heh heh hehhhhhhhhh

a little gay isn't it..

Blake

05-11-2015, 03:21 PM

He's a fuckin' low life cheat.

And all these fucking years I had no idea this ball protocol. I figured every fuckin' ball was standardized and the ref just grabbed one out of the "box" and placed it. Fuck, they're in there choosing and readying they particular balls and these are the only ones they use.

Forget it.

I don't understand why the nfl allows nary room to get away with something like this. Seems to me the football should be left in impartial hands at all times when not in play.

Blake

05-11-2015, 03:26 PM

a little gay isn't it..

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2125398/tom-brady-dancing-o.gif

Spur-Addict

05-11-2015, 03:27 PM

So you're saying you knew there were chosen balls for the QB's?

Obviously it's been a well kept secret, a behind the curtain situation. Total shit.

Just making an analogy. But, it didn't have to be this way as plenty an opportunity was given for rectifying the situation. But instead, ego got in the way. Some people just can't eat their own shit sandwich.

Trill Clinton

05-11-2015, 04:42 PM

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http://24.media.tumblr.com/eb77930f76cdd044ff37e4218564aa7d/tumblr_n3cwycnkkb1t0zsp4o2_500.gif

SupremeGuy

05-11-2015, 04:56 PM

Damn. NFL actually standing up to belicheat, the cheatriots, and brady. About time they did something about their cheating, tbh.

The Gemini Method

05-11-2015, 05:01 PM

whoa.

Phillip

05-11-2015, 05:04 PM

stupid

Raven

05-11-2015, 05:06 PM

that's the same league that gave ray rice two games and the jets like 100k for the most blatant tampering ever.

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05-11-2015, 05:14 PM

Damn. NFL actually standing up to belicheat, the cheatriots, and brady. About time they did something about their cheating, tbh.

Amen. That report wasn't out 5 fuckin' minutes last week when centralized Media proclaimed Belicheck exonerated. See, what they (Media) was trying to do was run interference for Bill, head Goodell off at the pass and seal the damage at Brady thus sparing Belichek and the ownership their humiliation. This first rounder & 4th are direct repudiation of these two cheating assholes.

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05-11-2015, 05:16 PM

that's the same league that gave ray rice two games and the jets like 100k for the most blatant tampering ever.

You got caught, Raven, and you're damn lucky they didn't end your fuckin' season. You deserved nothing less.

You have no decency. Even now you glance it off, deflect it. Cheatin' bastards.

HI-FI

05-11-2015, 05:24 PM

597877080894918658

http://24.media.tumblr.com/eb77930f76cdd044ff37e4218564aa7d/tumblr_n3cwycnkkb1t0zsp4o2_500.gif

:lmao

Spur-Addict

05-11-2015, 05:31 PM

You got caught, Raven, and you're damn lucky they didn't end your fuckin' season. You deserved nothing less.

You have no decency. Even now you glance it off, deflect it. Cheatin' bastards.

:lol

AlexJones

05-11-2015, 05:35 PM

Seeing Pats fans melt down is pretty hilarious tho

Monostradamus

05-11-2015, 05:43 PM

Amen. That report wasn't out 5 fuckin' minutes last week when centralized Media proclaimed Belicheck exonerated. See, what they (Media) was trying to do was run interference for Bill, head Goodell off at the pass and seal the damage at Brady thus sparing Belichek and the ownership their humiliation. This first rounder & 4th are direct repudiation of these two cheating assholes.
Actually, Troy Vincent's memo to the Patriots makes it a point to fully exonerate Belichick of wrongdoing.

unleashbaynes

05-11-2015, 05:50 PM

rofl so now the NFL sends the message that the whole football fiasco is worse than domestic abuse.

pgardn

05-11-2015, 06:08 PM

it does not concern him HOW they have been deflated (naturally or manually), if the ball feels good to him when he has it in his hands, that's all he should care about.

Oh it felt good, considerably below the limit.

pgardn

05-11-2015, 06:12 PM

rofl so now the NFL sends the message that the whole football fiasco is worse than domestic abuse.

Totally diff issue.

One is cheating on football.

The other is the NFL attempting to keep their entertainers clean for public consumption.
This the one that is going to give the NFL the most trouble as good football entertainers are not necessarily good people.
But Jerrah has a halfway house known as the Dallas Cowboys. They got a support system in place yes they do.

Thread

05-11-2015, 08:10 PM

Actually, Troy Vincent's memo to the Patriots makes it a point to fully exonerate Belichick of wrongdoing.

That's why he's light a 1st & a 4th.

AlexJones

05-12-2015, 06:16 AM

:lol getting the 99 Spurs treatment

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CExaR_rUUAEzDqC.jpg:large

AlexJones

05-12-2015, 06:29 AM

:lol Hopefully Garoppolo goes 1-3 for me to then hammer Patriots futures tbh

SupremeGuy

05-12-2015, 03:26 PM

:lol getting the 99 Spurs treatment

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CExaR_rUUAEzDqC.jpg:large:cry you can't take it from away from them :cry

monosylab1k

05-15-2015, 01:23 AM

Vilma still ended up serving some of his suspension, and his lawsuit was dismissed after the season.

Actually he didn't serve any of it. He started the season on the PUP list and got paid the entire time. After that Tagliabue threw out his suspension and he played the 11 games he was healthy enough to play.