BREAKING: Tom Brady Suspended 4 Games; Patriots Fined $1 M; Forfeit Draft Picks

[spurraider21]

How many games do you think he'll serve
at the moment 4 seems to be a solid guess imo. that's what he's been handed. anything else is speculation

[Blake]

Well sure it's speculation. I'm just laughing at you guys' speculations.

[spurraider21]

Well sure it's speculation. I'm just laughing at you guys' speculations.
the current suspension is the default. anything else is speculation

[Blake]

The default what?

[monosylab1k]

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12910531/new-england-patriots-nfl-working-resolution-issues-deflategate-penalties

Not sure if this means a reduction in the penalties or simply talking Kraft into being a good company man, but interesting nonetheless.

[LnGrrrR]

We fittin to go back-to-back; then hates can come up with a new excuse.

[Blake]

598883461634596865

"..... Well,*according to a new report from ESPN's Adam Schefter,*it was actually the NFL's decision to punish McNally and Jastremski, not the team's.

From Schefter:
For those asking why Patriots suspended two employees if those two did nothing wrong, as New England claims: NFL asked Pats to suspend them prior to discipline being handed down, per a league source in New York. New England obliged with the NFL's request.

This complicates what the NFL said in a statement about the punishments........"

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/theres-story-why-2-patriots-135458009.html

[Sheriff Hoyt]

Patriots not appealing punishment

[AlexJones]

Put your entire life savings on the Pats ML vs Colts, week 5.

[Thread]

Patriots not appealing punishment


In good conscience they couldn't...they'd a broke their charter once again. Their lawlessness had to stop at some point.

[SupremeGuy]

Patriots not appealing punishmentLooks like the public pressure to just man up and take their punishment finally got to them, tbh. Good for them. It might be a matter of time until Tom finally comes clean as well...

[Thread]

Looks like the public pressure to just man up and take their punishment finally got to them, tbh. Good for them. It might be a matter of time until Tom finally comes clean as well...

...he's too immature, SG. He'll brazen it out.

[monosylab1k]

In good conscience they couldn't...they'd a broke their charter once again. Their lawlessness had to stop at some point.

You've no room. Your Browns are cheats too.

[monosylab1k]

...he's too immature, SG. He'll brazen it out.

You've no room, your Browns are cheats too.

[Thread]

You've no room. Your Browns are cheats too.

Just stand tall before the man.

Gotcha good, didn't they? Gonna fight it. Gonna show 'em. Gonna walk 'em to the rocks.

- "Uncle."

- Kraft

[Thread]

And won't Media be pissed off at Kraft's "No mas!"...they were just settling down for a long Summer of pissin' matches.

Solly Cholly. None for you.

[monosylab1k]

Just stand tall before the man.

Gotcha good, didn't they? Gonna fight it. Gonna show 'em. Gonna walk 'em to the rocks.

- "Uncle."

- Kraft
You've no room, your Browns are cheats too.

[Thread]

You've no room, your Browns are cheats too.

- "No mas!"

- Kraft

tee, hee.

[spurraider21]

But but... Ideal gas law

[Blake]

So Goodell and Kraft meet behind closed doors with Kraft coming out waving a white flag....

It'd be keen to know what was said.

[Spur-Addict]

Someone is talking out of their ass.

[Blake]

Someone is talking out of their ass.

looking more and more like Wells

[tlongII]

Put your entire life savings on the Pats ML vs Colts, week 5.

I'll take the Colts with legally inflated footballs for $500 Alex.

[Blake]

I'll take the Colts with legally inflated footballs for $500 Alex.

Russ is still having nightmares i reckon over that legally inflated ball that hit the defender between the numbers

[monosylab1k]

But but... Ideal gas law

Brady still appealing and he'll win. Has nothing to do with Company Man Kraft bending over and taking it up the ass for the league's sake.

[Spur-Addict]

looking more and more like Wells

We Shall See

[Blake]

We Shall See

how many games do you think Brady gets suspended for

[Spur-Addict]

how many games do you think Brady gets suspended for

I have no idea, nor do I care. But I think it only matters if he gets no suspension. I'm just enjoying watching Pats fans who think everyone just hates them, and that they never do anything wrong. Teams bend and break the rules all the time. I respect their franchise in the Brady era, and have no ill will towards them whatsoever. Brady missing games isn't going to help us win any games. But if a suspension holds of at least two games, it makes no difference between 2 and 4 to me. Week 4 is a bye, and so is week 3 seeing as how it's Jacksonville.

[Blake]

I have no idea, nor do I care. But I think it only matters if he gets no suspension. I'm just enjoying watching Pats fans who think everyone just hates them, and that they never do anything wrong. Teams bend and break the rules all the time. I respect their franchise in the Brady era, and have no ill will towards them whatsoever. Brady missing games isn't going to help us win any games. But if a suspension holds of at least two games, it makes no difference between 2 and 4 to me. Week 4 is a bye, and so is week 3 seeing as how it's Jacksonville.

If Brady did something wrong, I'm all for a suspension. Problem, is there's no proof of anything.

The NFL looks stupid.

[SupremeGuy]

But but... Ideal gas law:cry this doesn't prove anything :cry

[Spur-Addict]

If Brady did something wrong, I'm all for a suspension. Problem, is there's no proof of anything.

The NFL looks stupid.

I haven't read the Wells report, and I don't know the precise requirements for finding a player and/or team guilty in this scenario. From what I've read on this site, and in random articles that are relatively short, it seems they don't need definitive proof.

[Clipper Nation]

:cry Kraft is talking out of his ass! He's still going to sue the league and win, you'll see! You'll all see! :cry

[Clipper Nation]

Just stand tall before the man.

Gotcha good, didn't they? Gonna fight it. Gonna show 'em. Gonna walk 'em to the rocks.

- "Uncle."

- Kraft
Dale

[spurraider21]

how many games do you think Brady gets suspended for
i'll go with 4, given that's the current suspension. how many games do you think Brady gets suspended for?

i get why mono is defensive over this, not sure why you seem to have a dog in the fight here

[Blake]

I haven't read the Wells report, and I don't know the precise requirements for finding a player and/or team guilty in this scenario. From what I've read on this site, and in random articles that are relatively short, it seems they don't need definitive proof.

The NFL under Goodell is making up rules and punishment as they go along.

They can suspend Brady but Brady can also sue.

[Spur-Addict]

The NFL under Goodell is making up rules and punishment as they go along.

They can suspend Brady but Brady can also sue.

Only 4 months before the season starts, better get a move on.

[Blake]

i'll go with 4, given that's the current suspension. how many games do you think Brady gets suspended for?

i get why mono is defensive over this, not sure why you seem to have a dog in the fight here

I like justice and this story is fascinating to me. That's about it.

Seriously, Brady is getting suspended for four games because they think he probably knew the ball was ever so slightly deflated?

It's beyond retarded. It's bizarro world.

I think he should get zero. I think he's a pussy if he agrees to anything more than zero and he should sue the ever living fuck out of the NFL if Goodell upholds any kind of suspension during the appeal.

[Blake]

Only 4 months before the season starts, better get a move on.

yeah no doubt.

Step 1:

" With Brady and the NFL Players Association making a strong push for Commissioner Roger Goodell to delegate a neutral arbitrator to handle the appeal and with the league leaking on Friday that Goodell is “very unlikely” to step aside voluntarily, it’s highly likely if not certain that a lawsuit attempting to force Goodell to delegate the appeal will be filed, possibly soon....."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/16/expect-brady-vs-nfl-to-be-filed-sooner-than-later/

[Raven]

i'm not really surprised, i don't think it's fair though.

[Thread]

If Brady did something wrong, I'm all for a suspension. Problem, is there's no proof of anything.

The NFL looks stupid.

There is to the NFL standard, Blake. This not under American jurisprudence.

The NFL/Goods has handled this satisfactorily and according to the laws that were agreed upon by ALL parties. Kraft understood that to keep breaking these laws would serve no one. There is no back room deal to pull the 4 game suspension. Kraft most likely looked in a mirror, counseled with his wife, remembered his parents & acted like somebody.

[spurraider21]

Brady is getting suspended for four games because they think he probably knew the ball was deflated?
yes. more probable than not. preponderance of the evidence, etc

[HI-FI]

i'll go with 4, given that's the current suspension. how many games do you think Brady gets suspended for?

i get why mono is defensive over this, not sure why you seem to have a dog in the fight here
Yeah, I get Mono's meltdown, but not sure why ChumpBlake keeps spinning away.

[spurraider21]

Blake (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3460) how many games do you think brady will serve. you've answered how many you think he "should" serve, not how many he will serve

[pgardn]

0-2 games for Brady.

Godell and Craft smokum peace pipe.
The draft takeaways and fine remain unchanged.

[HI-FI]

Brady will serve at least 2 games imo. Kraft was probably hugging Goodell because he covered up Belichick's involvement, sort of like destroying the spygate evidence.

[Blake]

yes. more probable than not. preponderance of the evidence, etc

The point I was making there was that this punishment does not even remotely fit this alleged crime, even if they had him dead to rights.

Which they don't.

[monosylab1k]

There is to the NFL standard, Blake. This not under American jurisprudence.

The NFL/Goods has handled this satisfactorily and according to the laws that were agreed upon by ALL parties. Kraft understood that to keep breaking these laws would serve no one. There is no back room deal to pull the 4 game suspension. Kraft most likely looked in a mirror, counseled with his wife, remembered his parents & acted like somebody.

His wife is dead you insensitive old fuck.

[Blake]

Blake (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3460) how many games do you think brady will serve. you've answered how many you think he "should" serve, not how many he will serve

I think zero. Could be 2. Definitely not 4.

If it's >0 he should sue.

[monosylab1k]

:lol Can't wait for the meltdown here when Brady is exonerated and playing Week 1.

[Blake]

There was no back room deal to pull the 4 game suspension.

Kraft meets with Goodell after which Kraft suddenly does a complete 180, conceding the fine and the draft picks?

Does anyone believe they didn't talk about Tom in that meeting?

[Fabbs]

The point I was making there was that this punishment does not even remotely fit this alleged crime, even if they had him dead to rights.

Which they don't.
Are you the same dipstick saying Aaron Hernandez did not have any proof against him?
Ya.

[Spur-Addict]

:lol Can't wait for the meltdown here when Brady is exonerated and playing Week 1.

And what will you do if any part of the suspension sticks?

[Blake]

Are you the same dipstick saying Aaron Hernandez did not have any proof against him?
Ya.

No, but I found this if it helps:


Never have posted one iota that i KNOW Hernandez is guilty.

[Fabbs]

No, but I found this if it helps:
:lol posted early in the trial. Much more evidence came afterwords.
:lol OutOfContext Boi, put up your quotes at the same timeframe.
Or don't.

[Clipper Nation]

And what will you do if any part of the suspension sticks?
Continue the meltdown he's been throwing since the story first broke.

[Fabbs]

:cry but but but they don't have all kinds of lab results like they did on CSI last night when Blake and i spooned while watching :cry

[Fabbs]

^^ oh, except they did have lab results.

[Blake]

:lol posted early in the trial. Much more evidence came afterwords.
:lol OutOfContext Boi, put up your quotes at the same timeframe.
Or don't.

How bout you post where I ever said Hernandez had no proof against him.

Or don't and just be your usual douche ass talker self. Makes no difference to me.

[Blake]

^^ oh, except they did have lab results.

You're weird

[Thread]

His wife is dead you insensitive old fuck.

Then his children. You get the idea, blankethead.

[ducks]

I would suspend brady and their coach a full season
cheaters

[monosylab1k]

I would suspend brady and their coach a full season
cheaters

Shut up, ducks.

[Blake]

I would suspend brady and their coach a full season
cheaters

Why stop there

[The Gemini Method]

:lmao your team won the biggest bullshit super bowl of all time, against Seattle no less. Fuck off. Man fuck the league for that loss. :cry

[Thread]

I would suspend brady and their coach a full season
cheaters

[djohn2oo8]

Tom Brady was suspended four games by the NFL for his role in Deflategate. Since then, the NFL Players Association has filed an appeal on his behalf. Not only has the suspension hurt Brady on the field, but it has also hurt him off of it.

Brady’s trust level, appeal and endorsement credibility has plunged since his suspension, according to Marketing Arm’s Celebrity DBI, which is an index that measures and ranks specific attributes of celebrities.

Brady’s trust level dropped to 3,027th of 3,686 celebrities measured, from 967th on Feb. 5, shortly after he was named the Super Bowl MVP. His trust level is now on the same level as Bill O’Reilly and Billy Bob Thornton.

“We expected a significant drop; this is a huge,” Matt Delzell, Marketing Arm’s managing director of celebrity talent acquisition, said in a phone interview done with Bloomberg.

His appeal level is now 3,570th, which ranks him next to 50 Cent, Rex Ryan and Brittney Spears.

“If you were in the financial services business, where trust and credibility are paramount, it’s not the right move,” Delzell said. “But if you are in the fashion world, and people aren’t looking at you to be their moral compass, rather a trend-setter and they follow your style, that’s a different story

[monosylab1k]

^only helps his defamation suit.

[Spur-Addict]

O'Reilly and Billy Bob Thornton :rollin

[monosylab1k]

This is simultaneously irritating as hell to me, and really funny :lol apparently the guy who runs the NFL's twitter account is a Jets fan.

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[SupremeGuy]

Roger Goodell and the NFL dropping bombs on Brady and the cheatriots, tbh.

He just denied the request to recuse himself. :lol

[monosylab1k]

Roger Goodell and the NFL dropping bombs on Brady and the cheatriots, tbh.

He just denied the request to recuse himself. :lol

:lol that's exactly what Brady & the NFLPA want. They want the chance to take Goodell to court and challenge his role as judge/jury/executioner. They made the request to recuse himself so that he had a face-saving way out.

[SupremeGuy]

If this goes to court, Brady will have to reveal more than he would have had to reveal to Wells. If that's his plan, it's amazingly stupid. :lol

[Spur-Addict]

Either way, a pile of shit is going to land on someone's chest. Brady is already 3 feet down, lets see where this goes :lol

[Blake]

Roger Goodell and the NFL dropping bombs on Brady and the cheatriots, tbh.

He just denied the request to recuse himself. :lol

:lol Goodell is a fucking idiot for not using an impartial arbiter

unless he completely drops this ridiculous suspension

[Blake]

If this goes to court, Brady will have to reveal more than he would have had to reveal to Wells. If that's his plan, it's amazingly stupid. :lol

if I'm forced to reveal things, I'd rather it be in a real court of law instead of some shlup hired by the league.

And he might not have to reveal anything. Why would he?

[SupremeGuy]

if I'm forced to reveal things, I'd rather it be in a real court of law instead of some shlup hired by the league.

And he might not have to reveal anything. Why would he?Because the NFL's lawyers would be doing their job?

[Blake]

Because the NFL's lawyers would be doing their job?

Rofl no.

It's funny how this ":cry ha now Brady has to turn over everything in court" thing has spread.

this is a civil suit, not a criminal one. Big difference.

[monosylab1k]

:lol any pertinent texts from Brady were already exposed from Jastremski & McNally's phones. Brady had no problem giving up his phone, he had a problem giving up his phone to Ted Wells, the guy known for releasing all kinds of irrelevant texts in order to embarrass the people he's investigating. He lied to them about only looking at pertinent info, why would Brady trust his assurances here?

[djohn2oo8]

:lol any pertinent texts from Brady were already exposed from Jastremski & McNally's phones. Brady had no problem giving up his phone, he had a problem giving up his phone to Ted Wells, the guy known for releasing all kinds of irrelevant texts in order to embarrass the people he's investigating. He lied to them about only looking at pertinent info, why would Brady trust his assurances here?

Except Wells told Brady to print out pertinent texts so that way Wells wouldnt look at his other texts and there would be no need to take over Brady's phone. Brady still refused.

[monosylab1k]

Except Wells told Brady to print out pertinent texts so that way Wells wouldnt look at his other texts and there would be no need to take over Brady's phone. Brady still refused.

So says Wells. He's already been caught lying about a few other things here. He's in full CYA mode after his shitty report got exposed.

[Raven]

Except Wells told Brady to print out pertinent texts so that way Wells wouldnt look at his other texts and there would be no need to take over Brady's phone. Brady still refused.

you believe that? seriously? just think about how stupid that statement is, reaaaaally deeply..

[boutons_deux]

Deflating ‘Deflategate’

Our study, written with our colleague Joseph Sullivan, examines the evidence and methodology of the Wells report and concludes that it is deeply flawed. (We have no financial stake in the outcome of Deflategate.)

The Wells report’s main finding is that the Patriots balls declined in pressure more than the Colts balls did in the first half of their game, and that the decline is highly statistically significant. For the sake of argument, let’s grant this finding for now. Even still, it alone does not prove misconduct. There are, after all, two possibilities. The first is that the Patriots balls declined too much. The second — overlooked by the Wells report — is that the Colts balls declined too little.

The latter possibility appears to be more likely. The Wells report notes the expected pressure for the footballs at halftime in the Patriots-Colts game, factoring in the decline in pressure to be expected when a ball, inflated in a warm room, has been moved to a cold outdoor field. If the Patriots deflated their balls, their pressure levels at halftime should have fallen below the expected level, while the Colts balls at halftime should have hovered around that level.

But when we analyzed the data provided in the Wells report, we found that the Patriots balls declined by about the expected amount, while the Colts balls declined by less. In fact, the pressure of the Colts balls was statistically significantly higher than expected. Contrary to the report, the significant difference between the changes in pressure of the two teams’ balls was not because the pressure of the Patriots balls was too low, but because that of the Colts balls was too high.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/opinion/deflating-deflategate.html

[Blake]

Tom needs to take that with him to the appeal and then later to court if this ends up there.

He's really stupid if he accepts anything less than a complete dismissal of the suspension.

[Fabbs]

Spare us the bullshit and take your suspension like a man.
Cheating pussy Patriots. smh

[Blake]

That'd be stupid.

[Blake]

"...... the quarterback and representatives from the NFL Players Association are planning a vehement rebuttal of the charges in the Wells report, and they will seek to have the suspension lifted in its entirety. That news came Tuesday from ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio, who*told the network*that he had gone over a four-page document sent from the NFLPA to Troy Vincent, the league executive who officially handed Brady and the Patriots their punishments.

In talking to people who are close to this situation, Brady wants the entire suspension removed, and he wants to be exonerated,” Paolantonio reported. “He feels he has done nothing wrong, and if you listen to [team*owner] Bob Kraft, it’s pretty clear that the Patriots believe that they will have Tom Brady for the Thursday night opener [of the NFL season].”

......

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/06/16/tom-brady-reportedly-will-seek-to-have-his-suspension-lifted-and-to-be-exonerated/

[Blake]

" If he gets the suspension reduced to two games and then he accepts that, he’s basically accepting guilt and I don’t think he wants to accept any guilt whatsoever in this situation,” Paolantonio added, “because while the commissoner is trying to protect the shield, Tom Brady is trying to protect how he’s going to be remembered.”


Exactly. Accepting a plea deal of two games here would be ridiculously stupid.

[HI-FI]

strange how the liberal shills are spinning for Brady.

[Blake]

strange how the liberal shills are spinning for Brady.

Lol you're stupid.

[spurraider21]

blake cares about this more than pats fans :lol

[Clipper Nation]

blake cares about this more than pats fans :lol

That's because as a cuck, Blakeold can identify with a whipped feminine man like Brady, tbh.

[HI-FI]

:lol
yeah I still don't get boutons or CuckJr's defense of Brady. Thankfully CuckSr hasn't ruined this forum.

[Blake]

You guys care about me more than this topic. Again.

I don't give a shit what happens to him. I simply find the whole thing awesome to watch and I'm giving my opinion on who's got the upper hand.

[Blake]

:lol
yeah I still don't get boutons or CuckJr's defense of Brady. Thankfully CuckSr hasn't ruined this forum.

I don't get why you're stupid but I won't talk about it tbh.

[spurraider21]

You guys care about me more than this topic. Again.

I don't give a shit what happens to him. I simply find the whole thing awesome to watch and I'm giving my opinion on who's got the upper hand.
:rollin

[Blake]

Ok

[monosylab1k]

strange how the liberal shills are spinning for Brady.

Yeah it's just a liberal bias to use common sense in determining the Wells Report is total bullshit.

[monosylab1k]

That's because as a cuck, Blakeold can identify with a whipped feminine man like Brady, tbh.

Better than identifying with jeebotard ringless Rivers tbh.

[HI-FI]

I don't get why you're stupid but I won't talk about it tbh.
You keep calling me stupid so clearly you want to talk about it. Fwiw, I don't think you're smart, but bigot, hypocrite and cuck....yes.

[Blake]

You keep calling me stupid so clearly you want to talk about it. Fwiw, I don't think you're smart, but bigot, hypocrite and cuck....yes.

I don't want to talk about your stupidity. But the stupidity is getting in the way here so I'm addressing it. Move along, stupid so I can stop discussing how stupid you are, stupid.

[LnGrrrR]

So, where are all the people saying the St Louis Cardinals need to forfeit their last title?

[spurraider21]

:lol baseball

[monosylab1k]

So, where are all the people saying the St Louis Cardinals need to forfeit their last title?

Funny how everyone is waiting patiently for that entire process to conclude before passing judgement.

[spurraider21]

Funny how everyone is waiting patiently for that entire process to conclude before passing judgement.
i dont follow baseball but they've been getting crucified on the radio

[spurraider21]

appeal hearing today. Blake nervously pacing back and forth

[monosylab1k]

Most likely outcome today imo: Goodell reduces suspension to 2 games, Brady says "fuck that, see you in court"

Another possibility: Goodell exonerates Brady for any involvement in deflating footballs but keeps 1 game suspension for not fully cooperating in the investigation, Brady accepts and it's over.

Dream Pats Fan scenario: Goodell throws out the suspension, shits all over Ted Wells. 0% chance of this happening.

[spurraider21]

you're talking out of your ass

[monosylab1k]

you're talking out of your ass

:lmao saw that coming a mile away. Did you jizz all over your keyboard as you hit send? Should I just mass post while you're in your refractory period?

[Blake]

appeal hearing today. Blake nervously pacing back and forth

Because i have a hugely vested interest in Brady playing.

Or you're talking out your ass

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Most likely outcome today imo: Goodell reduces suspension to 2 games, Brady says "fuck that, see you in court"

Another possibility: Goodell exonerates Brady for any involvement in deflating footballs but keeps 1 game suspension for not fully cooperating in the investigation, Brady accepts and it's over.

Dream Pats Fan scenario: Goodell throws out the suspension, shits all over Ted Wells. 0% chance of this happening.

I have a hunch he won't go with the predictable 2 game reduction. It looks weak from both sides of the argument and it gives Brady ammo in court because the commissioner already admitted that the punishment was initially capricious.

I'd be surprised if Goodell does something other than all or nothing. He's gonna talk to every lawyer who will listen about how much of a shot Brady has at winning in court and make his decision based off of that. If he thinks Brady has no shot in court, he has no incentive to change the suspension because at that point he might as well look as strong as possible. If he thinks Brady has a good shot in court, imo he'll waive the suspension just to ensure he avoids the worst case scenario of Brady embarrassing the NFL in court after how bad the last year has been with handling suspensions.

[Blake]

The only negative for Brady going to court is that judges rarely overturn arbiter decisions.

Lawyers would probably have to show that it's unfair practice for Goodell to be the arbiter.

[LnGrrrR]

If Goodell keeps the suspension the way it is, he's setting a precedent he doesn't want to. Remember when the Vikings heated up game balls on the sidelines? Guess what, they need to lose a draft pick too now. Find out that the balls in a GB game are overinflated? Dock them a draft pick too. All or nothing.

[monosylab1k]

If Goodell keeps the suspension the way it is, he's setting a precedent he doesn't want to. Remember when the Vikings heated up game balls on the sidelines? Guess what, they need to lose a draft pick too now. Find out that the balls in a GB game are overinflated? Dock them a draft pick too. All or nothing.

Nobody cares if the Vikings or Packers cheat. They only care if the Patriots cheat. Goodell has the majority of public opinion on his side if he unfairly crucifies the Patriots here, so he'll do it because he's a desperate spineless cunthole. He's not interested in what really happened, he's interested in what will get his approval rating up. Shitting on the Patriots is a surefire way to get the fans back on his side. So while I don't think he wanted Deflategate to blow up like it did, he certainly took advantage of it. He got Ted Wells to deliver a guilty verdict with zero actual proof and scientific data so shitty and stupid it makes Furious 7 look like a physics textbook in comparison. He kept himself as arbitrator to ensure his ability to hammer the Patriots stayed intact. And soon he'll be hoping a court will ignore the idiotic nature of everything surrounding this case, and rule in his favor on the technicality of the CBA.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Yes, it's all a vast conspiracy because Goodell wants to hammer his best friend Kraft who has him on a leash, the biggest bandwagon in the sport, and the glory-boy face of the league Brady. Patriots fans are delusional.

[LnGrrrR]

:lmao Yes, it's all a vast conspiracy because Goodell wants to hammer his best friend Kraft who has him on a leash, the biggest bandwagon in the sport, and the glory-boy face of the league Brady. Patriots fans are delusional.

If Goodell really wanted to bury this under the rug, he would've fined the Patriots citing it as a technicality, and that would be it.

[monosylab1k]

:lmao Yes, it's all a vast conspiracy because Goodell wants to hammer his best friend Kraft who has him on a leash, the biggest bandwagon in the sport, and the glory-boy face of the league Brady. Patriots fans are delusional.

Thanks for making my point for me. If Goodell really was Bob Kraft's lap dog this story would have been buried in January. All Goodell had to do was release the PSI numbers that completely debunked Mortensen's initial report of "11 of 12 balls were deflated by over 2 PSI" which started this whole mess. Instead he let that completely false report play out on the national scene for months. If anything, Goodell getting Kraft to back off his threats to sue the league shows their relationship is the other way around, Roger carries the leash and Bob wears the collar.

[Darth_Pelican]

NFLPA to fight Tom Brady ruling in court if any of QB's ban remains


The NFL Players Association is expected to contest the results of Tom Brady (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2330/tom-brady)'s appeal in federal court if any of the New England Patriots (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots) quarterback's four-game suspension remains, union sources told ABC News' Ryan Smith.

If Brady's suspension is lifted when commissioner Roger Goodell announces his ruling and he is fined instead, the quarterback will decide whether to challenge the decision in court.
If the NFLPA does challenge the appeal verdict in court, it will argue:

• The ball-deflation policy was incorrectly applied to Brady, as the rules were meant for club personnel and not players.
• Against the "general awareness" standard used by Ted Wells' investigators to determine Brady's involvement.
• If it is determined the ball-deflation policy did apply to Brady, the league failed to give him notice of the penalty, in essence making up the punishment with precedent.
• The NFL doesn't have proper techniques and standards for measuring deflation of footballs.
• Goodell should have recused himself as the arbitrator for Brady's appeal hearing.
The commissioner said last week that he expected to have a ruling soon, possibly sometime this week.
In addition to Brady's four-game suspension, the Patriots were fined $1 million and stripped of a 2016 first-round draft choice and 2017 fourth-round selection as a result of the Wells report. Patriots owner Robert Kraft said at the owners meetings in May that he "reluctantly" accepted (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12913741/robert-kraft-says-new-england-patriots-appeal-deflategate-punishment) the team's portion of the penalty.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/13259683/nfl-players-association-fight-tom-brady-ruling-ban-stays

[Blake]

Of course they will. The commissioner has nothing.

[LnGrrrR]

Goodell is taking forever... is anyone surprised? This guy is a buffoon.

[Will Hunting]

Goodell is taking forever... is anyone surprised? This guy is a buffoon.

IMO it was a tactical error of the union to leak a story the same week Goodell was expected to rule about how they're going to take it to court if he doesn't overturn the suspension. Once that happened, Goodell almost has to double down and uphold the suspension in order to avoid looking weak. People are retarded and think Goodell works for the general public (:cryhe should be fired for Ray Rice:cry) but the people he actually works for (the owners) don't want to see a commissioner who buckles to pressure from the players' union.

[Boston Pancake]

Goodell is taking forever... is anyone surprised? This guy is a buffoon.


IMO it was a tactical error of the union to leak a story the same week Goodell was expected to rule about how they're going to take it to court if he doesn't overturn the suspension. Once that happened, Goodell almost has to double down and uphold the suspension in order to avoid looking weak. People are retarded and think Goodell works for the general public (:cryhe should be fired for Ray Rice:cry) but the people he actually works for (the owners) don't want to see a commissioner who buckles to pressure from the players' union.

Are you guys still fahkin pumped about winning the 'ship? I still fahkin am. It's still wicked awesome, mattah of fact I'm gonna go down to Fitzy's and throw back a few Boston Lagers to celebrate. Lookit, fahk that fuckstick Goodell and his shitty attempt to assassinate the pristine character of the GOAT, Tommy O'Brady. It won't fahkin work. The Mighty New England Patriots are the motherfahkin world champs of the fahkin world and thats all dere is too it. Now if only the fahkin Sox could pull their heads out their asses, it's be the most kick ass summer ever! Bring back fahkin Nomah to show these fucksticks how to play with some fahkin heart!

[pgardn]

Of course they will. The commissioner has nothing.

If Brady goes to court he is gonna get smeared. You wait till all the messages are exposed. The attorneys will make him look very bad. It might be worth It to get him games but he WILL take a punch to the gut. No way Brady comes out unscathed if this goes to court, no way.

[Blake]

If Brady goes to court he is gonna get smeared. You wait till all the messages are exposed. The attorneys will make him look very bad. It might be worth It to get him games but he WILL take a punch to the gut. No way Brady comes out unscathed if this goes to court, no way.

Why should he have to expose his text messages?

[pgardn]

Why should he have to expose his text messages?

Because the lawyers will ask for them and I betcha a Judge grants it.

[SupremeGuy]

If this goes to court, Brady will have to reveal more than he would have had to reveal to Wells. If that's his plan, it's amazingly stupid. :lol

[Spur-Addict]

YLGGIDTRF18

[Blake]

Because the lawyers will ask for them and I betcha a Judge grants it.

I betcha he doesn't. Yeah, it's a civil case, but it's still pretty ridiculous to demand phone records on based on hearsay.

If Brady gives up the phone, it'll be on his terms, imo

[MultiTroll]

I betcha he doesn't. Yeah, it's a civil case, but it's still pretty ridiculous to demand phone records on based on hearsay.

If Brady gives up the phone, it'll be on his terms, imo
Because texts between Brady and Ballboi about deflating balls is not relevant.

Stop being pathetic. You tried this jizz with the Aaron Hernandez murder.

[Blake]

Because texts between Brady and Ballboi about deflating balls is not relevant.

Stop being pathetic. You tried this jizz with the Aaron Hernandez murder.

No I didn't. You're a fucking moron.

[Spur-Addict]

4 game suspension upheld

[spurraider21]

http://media.giphy.com/media/vkwAeqMEUSaoU/giphy.gif

[Thread]

4 game suspension upheld

Good. Let that hump crawl into Federal Court.

[Clipper Nation]

Apparently Brady destroyed his phone so evidence of his direct involvement couldn't be found. What a piece of shit :lol

:cry "You're talking out of your ass!" :cry

[spurraider21]

:cry "You're talking out of your ass!" :cry
:cry i bet you creamed your pants as you typed that! :cry

[Darth_Pelican]

Good. Let that hump crawl into Federal Court.

That's more dangerous than I think Brady may realize.

[Clipper Nation]

If Goodell wasn't Kraft's little bitch-boy, Brady's suspension would have been increased to a full year.

[Thread]

If Goodell wasn't Kraft's little bitch-boy, Brady's suspension would have been increased to a full year.

Slants

[Chinook]

There was literally no alternative. If the part about destroying the phone is true, then Brady probably doesn't stand a chance in court. It just looks bad, and that's all you really need for the League to win.

[Thread]

There was literally no alternative. If the part about destroying the phone is true, then Brady probably doesn't stand a chance in court. It just looks bad, and that's all you really need for the League to win.

By the time it gets to Federal Court---Media will have muddied that [destroying the phone] to the point where it will be a "good thing." & Media will start immediately. We'll be treated to polls & queries about how many AMERICANS destroy their phones when gleaning a new one. Only "destroyed" will not be the WORD. That word won't be brought forward. Media will substitute it for another word. It'll be cute as to what word that will be.

[Raven]

the league is suing Brady before he can sue them :lmao I'd like to know on what grounds they are suing him that is absolutely hilarious and pathetic :lmao

[Darth_Pelican]

Pats first 4 games:

vs. Pitt
@ Buffalo
vs. Jacksonville
@ Dallas

Can they find a win against someone other than the Jags?

[Spur-Addict]

Pats first 4 games:

vs. Pitt
@ Buffalo
vs. Jacksonville
@ Dallas

Can they find a win against someone other than the Jags?

If Buffalo gets anything from the QB position, NO.

[Clipper Nation]

Pats first 4 games:

vs. Pitt
@ Buffalo
vs. Jacksonville
@ Dallas

Can they find a win against someone other than the Jags?

The refs will make sure they win at least three of those four games, tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

By the time it gets to Federal Court---Media will have muddied that [destroying the phone] to the point where it will be a "good thing." & Media will start immediately. We'll be treated to polls & queries about how many AMERICANS destroy their phones when gleaning a new one. Only "destroyed" will not be the WORD. That word won't be brought forward. Media will substitute it for another word. It'll be cute as to what word that will be.
It'll probably be something like "replace" or "dispose of," Dale.

[Spur-Addict]

Oh, and :lol Tedy Bruschi

[Spur-Addict]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/7/28/9060785/bradying-everybody-smash-your-phones-everyones-doing-it-it-is-2011-oppa-gangnam-style

[spurraider21]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/7/28/9060785/bradying-everybody-smash-your-phones-everyones-doing-it-it-is-2011-oppa-gangnam-style
:rollin

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/aRjY5uusDl8tPenQrh7Y3jze96E=/1600x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3915214/brady_phones_720.0.jpg

[Silver&Black]

^
:rollin

Got a feeling the memes for this are going to be hilarious.

[Raven]

Oh, and :lol Tedy Bruschi

Thats actually been known for months

[Spur-Addict]

Thats actually been known for months

Yeah I saw the video months ago too, it was laughable then as well. But now, in light of the suspension being upheld, and the information about the cell phone destruction released, :lol Tedy and his attempt to paint a pristine picture.

[HI-FI]

The refs will make sure they win at least three of those four games, tbh.
Their secret has always been Ernie Adams, who supposedly has a private comm link to the qbs, so they'll probably be able to Cassell the situation with Garafalo.

[pgardn]

The Boston McPancake will not be pleased.

[HI-FI]

In all seriousness has there been a franchise that has cheated more than the pats? I can't remember another team being stripped of a first rounder twice, I could be wrong. At least not with the same regime running things.

[djohn2oo8]

Does Brady know that they can still find his texts if they subpoena him in federal court?

[Silver&Black]

Just heard Schefter say that the NFL offered Brady a 2 game (or maybe even 1 game) suspension as part of the settlement. All he had to do was admit that the equipment managers broke the rules....

Think I would have taken that one Tom....and threw them niggas under the bus as fast as possible. Especially, If it was only going to be a 1 game suspension.

[SupremeGuy]

Apparently Brady destroyed his phone so evidence of his direct involvement couldn't be found. What a piece of shit :lol

:cry "You're talking out of your ass!" :cry


:cry i bet you creamed your pants as you typed that! :cry:cry why should brady have to turn over the evidence he destroyed? :cry

[SupremeGuy]

Does Brady know that they can still find his texts if they subpoena him in federal court?I guess not. :lol


If this goes to court, Brady will have to reveal more than he would have had to reveal to Wells. If that's his plan, it's amazingly stupid. :lol

[Blake]

Just heard Schefter say that the NFL offered Brady a 2 game (or maybe even 1 game) suspension as part of the settlement. All he had to do was admit that the equipment managers broke the rules....

Think I would have taken that one Tom....and threw them niggas under the bus as fast as possible. Especially, If it was only going to be a 1 game suspension.

Then his legacy is tarnished

[Spur-Addict]

Then his legacy is tarnished

He can take the Roger Clemens route, we all know what it is.

[Blake]

The Commissioner's ruling today did nothing to address the legal deficiencies of due process. The NFL*remains stuck with the following facts:
The NFL had no policy that applied to players;
The NFL provided no notice of any such policy or potential discipline to players;
The NFL resorted to a nebulous standard of "general awareness" to predicate a legally unjustified punishment;
The NFL had no procedures in place until two days ago to test air pressure in footballs;
AndThe NFL violated the plain meaning of the collective bargaining agreement.

The fact that the NFL would resort to basing a suspension on a smoke screen of irrelevant text messages instead of admitting that they have all of the phone records they asked for is a new low, even for them, but it does nothing to correct their errors.The NFLPA will appeal this outrageous decision on behalf of Tom Brady.

-- NFL Players Association

https://www.nflpa.com/news/all-news/nflpa-statement-on-tom-brady-s-four-game-suspension

[Blake]

He can take the Roger Clemens route, we all know what it is.

Because that's exactly the same thing

[Spur-Addict]

Because that's exactly the same thing

Of course it's not precisely analogous, don't be absurd, you're better than that.

[Silver&Black]

Then his legacy is tarnished

I think Tom's "legacy" has pretty much already been cemented. A one game suspension is not going to change much of anything....

A little off topic (forgive me), but I'll go with it anyways. Who is the GOAT WR in the NFL? I think the consensus would go with Jerry Rice. The guy openly admitted that he used stick'um on his gloves. This was a banned substance. He certainly cheated the integrity of the game....

Is Jerry Rice's "legacy" forever tarnished because of this? I think most people would say, "No."

[djohn2oo8]

I think Tom's "legacy" has pretty much already been cemented. A one game suspension is not going to change much of anything....

A little off topic (forgive me), but I'll go with it anyways. Who is the GOAT WR in the NFL? I think the consensus would go with Jerry Rice. The guy openly admitted that he used stick'um on his gloves. This was a banned substance. He certainly cheated the integrity of the game....

Is Jerry Rice's "legacy" forever tarnished because of this? I think most people would say, "No."
Brady lied and destroyed evidence. That's worse than the offense.

[Silver&Black]

Brady lied and destroyed evidence. That's worse than the offense.

Totally agree djohn...and I hope I'm not coming off as the guy who is trying to defend Brady. Cause I'm not. He cheated the rules of the game...and should be punished accordingly.

I just think when all is said and done....he will still be considered one of (if not the) GOATs. The whole "legacy" is tarnished forever is going a little far IMO. Brad Johnson said that he tampered with the footballs before the SB against Oakland. I don't think many people consider that Buccaneers team "cheaters" or that SB is "tarnished".

[Clipper Nation]

Then his legacy is tarnished

It already is, cuck.

[Raven]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLCCcqHWoAIfLUd.png

[pgardn]

So he asks someone else to destroy his cellphone adding another witness to his unwillingness to cooperate.

Brilliant.

[pgardn]

The Master Kraftsman once said the NFL would be lucky to be able to apologize to the entire Patriots organization...
1 million dollars, a first round draft choice, and a suspended QB later he is not saying much.
Curious...

[djohn2oo8]

If Goodell wasn't Kraft's little bitch-boy, Brady's suspension would have been increased to a full year.

He should be banned.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol Brady just released a statement.

":cry I didn't destroy my phone. It was broken :cry"

[djohn2oo8]

626368044785364992

:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Brady just released a statement.

":cry I didn't destroy my phone. It was broken :cry"
Brady's talking out of his ass. How did it break, who broke it, and when was it broken? None of this is answered in his bullshit-ass statement.

[Darth_Pelican]

Brady is probably no different than all of us in the sense that he sends racist, homophobic, and sexist texts to his friends in jest. There's no way that he was turning over his cell phone to the league and no way he risks going to federal court where they can get a court order to read all of his texts through his cell provider. Deflating footballs would then be the least of his problems.

[Blake]

Of course it's not precisely analogous, don't be absurd, you're better than that.

Well one problem with your analogy is that deflating the football doesn't allow a QB to throw it harder or more accurately. There's no advantage.

[Blake]

Brady's talking out of his ass. How did it break, who broke it, and when was it broken? None of this is answered in his bullshit-ass statement.

Well if it's that big a deal for the court, they'll request transcripts from the phone company.

[Blake]

It already is, cuck.

Neh, he'll be in the hall of fame, dumbass.

[Blake]

I think Tom's "legacy" has pretty much already been cemented. A one game suspension is not going to change much of anything....

A little off topic (forgive me), but I'll go with it anyways. Who is the GOAT WR in the NFL? I think the consensus would go with Jerry Rice. The guy openly admitted that he used stick'um on his gloves. This was a banned substance. He certainly cheated the integrity of the game....

Is Jerry Rice's "legacy" forever tarnished because of this? I think most people would say, "No."

Jerry hasn't come out and said directly that he cheated.

If Tom will have to directly admit to cheating to get the reduced suspension.

[unleashbaynes]

Rooting for Brady and the NFLPA. Tired of this faggot commissioner doing everything he wants and violating due process. Hopefully this leads to the commissioner being stripped of "absolute power" and they can find a reasonable third party who will hand out punishments on a fair and reasonable basis.

[jeebus]

NFL is just pissed their golden half negro was exposed in the super bowl.

[Boston Pancake]

Deflate this, you fucksticks!
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/06/Tom-Brady-640x480.jpg

[Boston Pancake]

The GOAT Tommy McBrady wanted this all along. Lookit, I bet he destroyed his cell phone fahkin on purpose just to bait Goodell into taking this to federal court. That way Tommy can bitchslap Baddell in front of every-fahkin-body when a judge overturns this bullshit. It's going to be wicked awesome when that happens!

[dbreiden83080]

Has to keep destroying all the evidence of all those strippers he is tapping..

[spurraider21]

Well one problem with your analogy is that deflating the football doesn't allow a QB to throw it harder or more accurately. There's no advantage.
:lmao

[dbreiden83080]

Rooting for Brady and the NFLPA. Tired of this faggot commissioner doing everything he wants and violating due process. Hopefully this leads to the commissioner being stripped of "absolute power" and they can find a reasonable third party who will hand out punishments on a fair and reasonable basis.

Yeah we should allow the Pats to start filming practices again..

[Blake]

:lmao

:lmao :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

Patriots should just shut the fuck up about Gooddell being unfair when he destroyed their spygate tapes, and was willing to reduce the shape sion.

[Kim Jong-il]

:lmao :lmao
No no no, if only Jamarcus Russell could have thrown underinflated footballs, he would have been a Hall of Famer!

[unleashbaynes]

Yeah we should allow the Pats to start filming practices again..

You can still film another team's practice and even their signals. You just have to do it from a designated location. The Patriots got in trouble because they did it from a non-designated area, for one game, the first year those rules went into effect.

But please, don't allow facts to get in the way of your hatred of the Patriots.

[Killakobe81]

Kraft is pissed...

[Silver&Black]

Well one problem with your analogy is that deflating the football doesn't allow a QB to throw it harder or more accurately. There's no advantage.

If there is "no advantage" why did he do it? :lmao

[Spur-Addict]

If there is "no advantage" why did he do it? :lmao

You know, like, because, it's just what all the cool kids are doing. :cry

[Killakobe81]

Even if you are against Goodell ...Kraft basically admitted he took the team punishment for a unspoken promise of leniency for Brady. IF Tom was in the right (which should also absolve the team since that would make those employees :rogue" since Brady and Hoody were innocent) why would they need to to cop to aNYTHING?

this whole affair is silly.

The balls didnt affect the aFC title game.
Pats bent the rules.
Brady obstructed the investigation.
Kraft was hoping to fall on the sword for Brady those are all facts.

4 games is to much but Brady has made this a war Goodell is unwilling to lose. Should be fun.

[spurraider21]

Deflate this, you fucksticks!
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/06/Tom-Brady-640x480.jpg
those rings will look amazing from the bench in the first 4 games of the season

[Blake]

those rings will look amazing from the bench in the first 4 games of the season

I'd say it's 50/50 he's playing in game 1.

[Blake]

If there is "no advantage" why did he do it? :lmao

if you have the proof he did it, you should take it to Goodell tbh

But even if he did, the why is irrelevant. There's no advantage.

[spurraider21]

I'd say it's 50/50 he's playing in game 1.
ok

anything else you'd say? i'm on the edge of my seat

[Silver&Black]

if you have the proof he did it, you should take it to Goodell tbh

But even if he did, the why is irrelevant. There's no advantage.

Don't move the goalposts Blake. You said there is "no advantage" to deflating a football. You can't throw it harder or more accurately....

That's the dumbest thing said in this entire thread. Have you even thrown a football before?

[Blake]

ok

anything else you'd say? i'm on the edge of my seat

No. You can sit back.

[Blake]

Don't move the goalposts Blake. You said there is "no advantage" to deflating a football. You can't throw it harder or more accurately....

That's the dumbest thing said in this entire thread. Have you even thrown a football before?

uh, I answered your loaded question and then went right back to my original point that there's no advantage. Where's the goal post move?

Yes I've thrown a football before.

[Silver&Black]

uh, I answered your loaded question and then went right back to my original point that there's no advantage. Where's the goal post move?

Yes I've thrown a football before.

No, you didn't. Explain to me how there is "no advantage" to deflating a football....especially how deflating a football doesn't change things like accuracy.

You can't. Deflating a football increases the grip that one can get on the football. The more grip = the more accurate you can be.

If there is 0 advantage to deflating a football....why are there rules against doing it?

[Kim Jong-il]

If there is "no advantage" why did he do it? :lmao
Personal comfort. The balls were inflated perfectly in the Super Bowl and he was just fine with it. He just prefers them less inflated.

Or maybe next year Aaron Rodgers will suck, all because he won't be able to throw the overinflated footballs he prefers.

[Kim Jong-il]

No, you didn't. Explain to me how there is "no advantage" to deflating a football....especially how deflating a football doesn't change things like accuracy.

You can't. Deflating a football increases the grip that one can get on the football. The more grip = the more accurate you can be.

If there is 0 advantage to deflating a football....why are there rules against doing it?

There's rules against overinflating a football too, does that prove there's an advantage to that as well?

[Silver&Black]

Personal comfort. The balls were inflated perfectly in the Super Bowl and he was just fine with it. He just prefers them less inflated.

Or maybe next year Aaron Rodgers will suck, all because he won't be able to throw the overinflated footballs he prefers.

I've seen a lot more QBs say that they would prefer an under-inflated over an over-inflated football.

Aaron Rodgers is the only exception. Am I missing others?

Plenty of ex-NFL QBs say that they can "really dig their fingers" into an under-inflated football. Should I ignore all of them just because Aaron Rodgers says that he prefers more air pressure in his?

[Blake]

"... Deformation In A 12.5 PSI FootballANSYSA comparison of deformations in a 12.5psi football versus a 10.5psi football suggest that the under-inflated footballs didn't give the quarterback a stronger grip....."

http://www.popsci.com/simulations-reveal-patriots-deflated-footballs-made-little-difference

[Blake]

:cry but I can tell the difference between 12.5 & 10.5 when I'm tossing the ol pigskin in the yard :cry

[Silver&Black]

First you said "no advantage"....

Now it's ":cry just a little difference :cry"

[Blake]

First you said "no advantage"....

Now it's ":cry just a little difference :cry"

Oh noes you busted me back pedaling from no difference to slightly miniscule unnoticeable advantage. Give yourself a robinlopez.gif for det internet victory bruh.

[Silver&Black]

First you said "no advantage"....

Now it's ":cry just a little difference :cry"

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/589434/robin-lopez-o.gif

[spurraider21]

First you said "no advantage"....

Now it's ":cry just a little difference :cry"
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww216/slapclap/pniw2.gif

[Blake's Cucktainer]

Oh noes you busted me back pedaling from no difference to slightly miniscule unnoticeable advantage. Give yourself a robinlopez.gif for det internet victory bruh.

Dude, take a shower already. I'm starting to reek from how you've stayed up 24/7 literally spending all your time arguing on the Internet.

[Avante]

Oh noes you busted me back pedaling from no difference to slightly miniscule unnoticeable advantage. Give yourself a robinlopez.gif for det internet victory bruh.

Shut up ya sick fuck.

[Chris]

Tom Brady and Robert Kraft should shut the fuck up tbh

[Raven]

Brady is probably no different than all of us in the sense that he sends racist, homophobic, and sexist texts to his friends in jest. There's no way that he was turning over his cell phone to the league and no way he risks going to federal court where they can get a court order to read all of his texts through his cell provider. Deflating footballs would then be the least of his problems.

I think so too

[Blake]

Shut up ya sick fuck.

:lol salty old man disregarding topic going straight for user name

Don't ever complain that someone is humping your leg, fat man.

[spurraider21]

http://i.gyazo.com/2bee37f65974aff232b189354448c2ad.png

[Thread]

^Where it should be.

[dbreiden83080]

You can still film another team's practice and even their signals. You just have to do it from a designated location. The Patriots got in trouble because they did it from a non-designated area, for one game, the first year those rules went into effect.

But please, don't allow facts to get in the way of your hatred of the Patriots.

And make sure to tape another walk through for the super bowl..

[Avante]

:lol salty old man disregarding topic going straight for user name

Don't ever complain that someone is humping your leg, fat man.

You ever play organized football idiot? You haven't have you?

[Raven]

“You guys made a mistake by drumming up business for the show and how I would address my reporting for the first time,” Mortensen informed WEEI. “I will not allow WEEI, [Patriots owner Robert] Kraft or anybody to make me the centerpiece of a story that has been misreported far beyond anything I did in the first 48 hours. Maybe when the lawsuit is settled, in Brady’s favor, I hope, we can revisit. Don’t call.”


Florio :
".....I like and respect Mort. As Adam Schefter of ESPN said on WEEI on Thursday, Mortensen is a pioneer in this business. But his false report should be the centerpiece of the story. Because without that false report there is no story. More specifically, without that false report, there is no finding of cheating.

[Blake]

You ever play organized football idiot? You haven't have you?

Yes, but it's got nothing to do with this thread, you salty fat leg humper

[Kim Jong-il]

Turns out it's Mike Kensil who was Mort's source on that completely false initial report. What a shocker, a former Jets employee with bitterness towards Belichick is the one who leaked a complete lie that the NFL never bothered to correct.

[SupremeGuy]

Dude, take a shower already. I'm starting to reek from how you've stayed up 24/7 literally spending all your time arguing on the Internet.:lol

[Fabbs]

No, you didn't. Explain to me how there is "no advantage" to deflating a football....especially how deflating a football doesn't change things like accuracy.

You can't. Deflating a football increases the grip that one can get on the football. The more grip = the more accurate you can be.

If there is 0 advantage to deflating a football....why are there rules against doing it?
Brady Blowjobbers are conveniently omitting how less fumbles occur with the under inflated. Esp in cold and often misty - rainy New England weather.

Less fumbles = more possessions = way more wins.
One of the good posters at SpursTalk posted a link to the stats for the Cheatriots since they started deflating.
Also tracked players who played for another team, joined the Cheats, then got traded again.

They fumble at the normal NFL rate on the non Cheating teams.
Patriot Faggot will attribute this to some *tough* strategy by Bellicheat.

SMH sell these asstards more products. :lol They swallow.

[Blake]

Brady Blowjobbers are conveniently omitting how less fumbles occur with the under inflated. Esp in cold and often misty - rainy New England weather.

Less fumbles = more possessions = way more wins.
One of the good posters at SpursTalk posted a link to the stats for the Cheatriots since they started deflating.
Also tracked players who played for another team, joined the Cheats, then got traded again.

They fumble at the normal NFL rate on the non Cheating teams.
Patriot Faggot will attribute this to some *tough* strategy by Bellicheat.

SMH sell these asstards more products. :lol They swallow.

You're talking out of your gaping asshole.

[Raven]

Brady Blowjobbers are conveniently omitting how less fumbles occur with the under inflated. Esp in cold and often misty - rainy New England weather.

Less fumbles = more possessions = way more wins.
One of the good posters at SpursTalk posted a link to the stats for the Cheatriots since they started deflating.
Also tracked players who played for another team, joined the Cheats, then got traded again.

They fumble at the normal NFL rate on the non Cheating teams.
Patriot Faggot will attribute this to some *tough* strategy by Bellicheat.

SMH sell these asstards more products. :lol They swallow.

probably because the argument is so retarded none can really get so low to take it seriously..

[Blake]

probably because the argument is so retarded none can really get so low to take it seriously..

Brady just helping his running backs, taking the punishment.

What a team player. :cry

[Kim Jong-il]

So now that the Brady appeal transcript is out, it's revealed

1. The NFL knew about the Colts complaints well before the game (Troy Vincent lied about this)
2. The Ravens did tell the Colts to look into it (John Harbaugh lied about this)
3. Neither Ted Wells nor the NFL ever told Brady he could be punished for not giving up his phone
4. The NFL had no clue that lower temperatures could affect air pressure in footballs
5. NFL officials violated their own rules by going into the refs' locker room to test the balls at halftime
6. The "independent" lawyers working with Ted Wells were examining witnesses FOR THE NFL at the hearing
7. The NFL punished Brady using a rule they admitted wasn't subject to players
8. The NFL wanted this appeal transcript sealed, the NFLPA wanted it made public

but no, Brady is the one who had something to hide :lmao

[BatManu20]

So fucking tired of hearing about Deflategate, tbh... ESPN is becoming unwatchable. More so than it already is, I mean. Ugh.

[Silver&Black]

So fucking tired of hearing about Deflategate, tbh... ESPN is becoming unwatchable. More so than it already is, I mean. Ugh.

Don't worry BatManu20 (my nigga)....

When the NFL season kicks off ESPN will turn back into Dallas Cowboys Television 24/7. You'll soon be happy again...

[BatManu20]

Don't worry BatManu20 (my nigga)....

When the NFL season kicks off ESPN will turn back into Dallas Cowboys Television 24/7. You'll soon be happy again...

:lol I typically hate that too my dude. Just gives people more reason to hate the Cowboys and bring up the fact that we haven't been relevant in almost 20 years. But I digress.

Bucs fan, eh? You from Florida or how did that work?

[Silver&Black]

:lol I typically hate that too my dude. Just gives people more reason to hate the Cowboys and bring up the fact that we haven't been relevant in almost 20 years. But I digress.

Bucs fan, eh? You from Florida or how did that work?

My elementary school was called the Buccaneers (the old orange creamsicle colors). That's when I picked them up. They were god awful back then...then got pretty good...now back to god awful.

I'm from Mississippi...no hometown pro teams to root for. Most people here are Saints fans though...

[BatManu20]

My elementary school was called the Buccaneers (the old orange creamsicle colors). That's when I picked them up. They were god awful back then...then got pretty good...now back to god awful.

I'm from Mississippi...no hometown pro teams to root for. Most people here are Saints fans though...

Ahh right on. I actually used to like the Bucs back in the day when I was growing up. They were the 2nd team I rooted for, back when they had Warrick Dunn, Mike Alstott, Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber, Keyshawn, John Lynch, etc. That was a great team. I used to own a Dunn jersey too. That was a long time ago though. Y'all have been shit pretty much ever since. Same as us until last year and minus 2009.

[Fabbs]

How is having far less turnovers via fumble an advantage?
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2030953377/5C41FBFA1.jpg
There, there Raven

[FromWayDowntown]

So now that the Brady appeal transcript is out, it's revealed

1. The NFL knew about the Colts complaints well before the game (Troy Vincent lied about this)
2. The Ravens did tell the Colts to look into it (John Harbaugh lied about this)
3. Neither Ted Wells nor the NFL ever told Brady he could be punished for not giving up his phone
4. The NFL had no clue that lower temperatures could affect air pressure in footballs
5. NFL officials violated their own rules by going into the refs' locker room to test the balls at halftime
6. The "independent" lawyers working with Ted Wells were examining witnesses FOR THE NFL at the hearing
7. The NFL punished Brady using a rule they admitted wasn't subject to players
8. The NFL wanted this appeal transcript sealed, the NFLPA wanted it made public

but no, Brady is the one who had something to hide :lmao

I don't really want to agree with Kim Jong-il, but that transcript didn't do the NFL many favors in terms of demonstrating that it acted fairly as to Brady.

Brady's evasive, unquestionably, but the science the NFL relies upon is hardly compelling and Goodell's opinion after the appeal just ignores or pretty blatantly misstates the evidence against the league's conclusions.

I don't know that any of that is enough to convince a judge to find an abuse of discretion in the NFL's process, but there's plenty here to explain Brady's unwillingness to simply accept a punishment and his continuing insistence that he didn't do anything wrong.

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[spurraider21]

:lol

[Raven]

at this point i'll be moderately surprised if goodell is still in charge a year from now. After reporting on multiple occasions that the Wells report was indipendent, now they argue that it may not have been and it also doesn't need to be.. this has become hilarious honestly..

[spurraider21]

:lol

[Kim Jong-il]

at this point i'll be moderately surprised if goodell is still in charge a year from now. After reporting on multiple occasions that the Wells report was indipendent, now they argue that it may not have been and it also doesn't need to be.. this has become hilarious honestly..

If Goodell losses this fight, there will be a bunch of calls for his job, etc, until the owners look at the next financial report, after which nobody will complain about Goodell again until the next botched disciplinary action.

[Raven]

If Goodell losses this fight, there will be a bunch of calls for his job, etc, until the owners look at the next financial report, after which nobody will complain about Goodell again until the next botched disciplinary action.

you do have a point, Goodell has done a good job all things considered.

[spurraider21]

Never pegged brady as a dindu nuffin

[Blake]

Judge shreds Goodell like any logical person should


Finally, Berman said he could not understand how the commissioner opted to keep a four-game suspension over some other penalty. He asked what portion of it was for involvement in a deflated football scheme and what part was because Goodell concluded Brady didn't cooperate with the probe.

He also was troubled by Goodell's defense of the penalty on the grounds that it was comparable to penalties on players who use performance enhancing drugs.

When NFL lawyer Daniel Nash said both violations are an effort to gain a competitive advantage, the judge responded: ''I still don't see how the four games is comparable to a player using steroids.''''It goes to the integrity of the game,'' Nash said.

The judge used stronger language than he had when he seemed to lean against the NFL at a similar hearing a week earlier, though he cautioned that he had not yet made up his mind which side would win.......

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/deflategate-back-court-brady-goodell-talks-fail-062759921--nfl.html

[Raven]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao the judge absolutely obliterated Goodell :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[manufan10]

In an interview with ESPN.com, Joe Thomas touched on many elements of the deflated football saga and ruling, and on the authority of Goodell. He called Goodell's decision "completely ridiculous" because the league allows quarterbacks to go to great lengths to make game footballs the way they want them.
"If you want [quarterbacks] to play with a brand new football that comes out of the box, then make that the rule," Thomas said. "If you're going to allow them to break it in because you want more passing yards, then let them do whatever they want.
"Who cares if they throw a football that has no air pressure? What does it matter? Why don't we let the quarterbacks do whatever they want to the football? I don't understand why there's any rules."


"We know [quarterbacks] already doctor [footballs] 99 percent, why do we care about the one percent in the air pressure?" Thomas said. "Why does that matter? Nobody's even explained why that even matters."
Thomas said Brady is not a cheater.
"I think he's trying to do everything he can to gain a competitive advantage to help him do his job better, which is to throw the football," Thomas said. ""Why should we be punishing a guy that wants to do his job better?"

"I would equate what [Tom Brady] did to driving 66 [mph] in a 65 speed zone, and getting the death penalty."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13494837/joe-thomas-cleveland-browns-backs-tom-brady-rips-nfl-witch-hunts

[Raven]

^ articles like that really piss me off

[Silver&Black]

"I would equate what [Tom Brady] did to driving 66 [mph] in a 65 speed zone, and getting the death penalty."

:wow

[Will Hunting]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao the judge absolutely obliterated Goodell :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

I wouldn't read too much into that. I think if anything he's simply trying to push the NFL to settle out of fear that its pants will get pulled down again in court.

[Brazil]

:lmao blowing your wads this early. I'm genuinely shocked at losing a 1st rounder, aside from that pretty much expected the rest. Brady will be playing Week 1. Any impartial arbitrator will easily throw this suspension out.

the goods

:bobo