BREAKING: Tom Brady Suspended 4 Games; Patriots Fined $1 M; Forfeit Draft Picks

[BatManu20]

4 game suspension, Patriots fined $1 Million, & forfeit 2016 first round pick & 2017 4th round pick.

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[BatManu20]

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[spurraider21]

the nfl is talking out of its ass

[Spur-Addict]

The NFL is talking out of its ass.

[Silver&Black]

:wow No 1st round pick in 2016

[Spur-Addict]

the nfl is talking out of its ass

:lol

[BatManu20]

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[SupremeGuy]

I'm genuinely shocked. I didn't think the NFL had the balls to actually punish these cheaters. :toast

[BatManu20]

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[Silver&Black]

After Brady appeals....and wins...the new punishment will "probably" be two games max.

[Phillip]

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:lol

[Cry Havoc]

Why are people acting like $1mil is a big punishment? The draft picks I get, the suspension, sure. But it's $1 million dollars. That's what the Pats spend on Gatorade. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Brady got 4 games for lying and cheating. Terelle Pryor got 5 games for tattoos in college :lol

[SupremeGuy]

After Brady appeals....and wins...the new punishment will "probably" be two games max.Why would he win?

[djohn2oo8]

Brady to lose about 2 million.

[The Gemini Method]

Why are people acting like $1mil is a big punishment? The draft picks I get, the suspension, sure. But it's $1 million dollars. That's what the Pats spend on Gatorade. :lol This.

[Blake]

Why would he win?

Because they have nothing on him

[Killakobe81]

After Brady appeals....and wins...the new punishment will "probably" be two games max.

this. Union will fight it ...

[SupremeGuy]

Because they have nothing on himThe balls were deflated and they met their standard needed for punishment...

[djohn2oo8]

Because they have nothing on him

The suspension is for not cooperating. He won't win.

[HI-FI]

I'm genuinely shocked. I didn't think the NFL had the balls to actually punish these cheaters. :toast
cosigned.

the NFL made the initial investment in the pat's ponzi scheme with the Tuck Rule, maybe they're embarrassed how far they've taken things.

[Silver&Black]

Why would he win?

It's just my opinion. It's not set it stone that he will either win or lose his appeal. I can guarantee you one thing though...it will be appealed. 4 games just seems a little harsh to me.


Most NFL fans just hate the Patriots...so a harsh penalty would be the only thing that appeases the mob.

[djohn2oo8]

It's just my opinion. It's not set it stone that he will either win or lose his appeal. I can guarantee you one thing though...it will be appealed. 4 games just seems a little harsh to me.


Most NFL fans just hate the Patriots...so a harsh penalty would be the only thing that appeases the mob.
He should have gotten 6 at least.

[SupremeGuy]

I don't think people hate the patriots as much as they hate seeing people continuously cheat and never get punished accordingly...

[Silver&Black]

I heard this on ESPN...and please correct me if I'm wrong. (I didn't read the Wells report)

3 out of the 4 "Colts Footballs" tested were under-inflated. Why no "Suspend Andrew Luck for the Season" talk?

[Clipper Nation]

:cry Don't worry guys, when Brady sues and wins, the league will be paying him! :cry

[tlongII]

I love that they're finally hammering those cheats. We'll see if it stands though.

[Monostradamus]

:lmao blowing your wads this early. I'm genuinely shocked at losing a 1st rounder, aside from that pretty much expected the rest. Brady will be playing Week 1. Any impartial arbitrator will easily throw this suspension out.

[Monostradamus]

I heard this on ESPN...and please correct me if I'm wrong. (I didn't read the Wells report)

3 out of the 4 "Colts Footballs" tested were under-inflated. Why no "Suspend Andrew Luck for the Season" talk?
Andrew Luck didn't wax their team by 30 pts for the past decade.

[Silver&Black]

He should have gotten 6 at least.


I don't think people hate the patriots as much as they hate seeing people continuously cheat and never get punished accordingly...

Okay....Spygate...Tuck Rule...now deflate gate.

Do we know for a fact that Tom Brady was involved in Spygate? No....
Is it Tom Bradys fault that the refs called his fumble an incomplete pass? No...
Did Tom Brady have something to do with the footballs being deflated? "Probably"....

6 games for a first time offender? And some people wanted the entire year. I agree SupremeGuy...the people want this "cheating" franchise to be punished....and punished accordingly. The Patriots now are repeat offenders....but is Tom Brady? Why is he being lumped into the repeat offenders category?

[djohn2oo8]

Okay....Spygate...Tuck Rule...now deflate gate.

Do we know for a fact that Tom Brady was involved in Spygate? No....
Is it Tom Bradys fault that the refs called his fumble an incomplete pass? No...
Did Tom Brady have something to do with the footballs being deflated? "Probably"....

6 games for a first time offender? And some people wanted the entire year. I agree SupremeGuy...the people want this "cheating" franchise to be punished....and punished accordingly. The Patriots now are repeat offenders....but is Tom Brady? Why is he being lumped into the repeat offenders category?
No way he is a first time offender. But in this case he attempted to cover something up by not helping the investigation. It's a bad look

[Silver&Black]

No way he is a first time offender. But in this case he attempted to cover something up by not helping the investigation. It's a bad look

I agree...it's a bad look. If you have nothing to hide...then why not cooperate?

Explain the "No way he is a first time offender" part of your post. What has Tom Brady (him...not the Patriots organization) done?

[slick'81]

That first rounder though

[Silver&Black]

Andrew Luck didn't wax their team by 30 pts for the past decade.

A lot of truth to this post. If my Bucs got caught deflating footballs.....NOBODY would give a fuck.

[djohn2oo8]

I agree...it's a bad look. If you have nothing to hide...then why not cooperate?

Explain the "No way he is a first time offender" part of your post. What has Tom Brady (him...not the Patriots organization) done?

Because those guys that were ttexting back and forth about Tom. They knew how he liked the pressure in the footballs. It seemed like it was a routine that had been going on a while through those texts. Plus you have those reports about other instances where practice footballs were used in game by NE.

Also if you go back and look at his press conference, dude was pissing in his pants he was nervous.

[Silver&Black]

Because those guys that were ttexting back and forth about Tom. They knew how he liked the pressure in the footballs. It seemed like it was a routine that had been going on a while through those texts. Plus you have those reports about other instances where practice footballs were used in game by NE.

Also if you go back and look at his press conference, dude was pissing in his pants he was nervous.

So you're going the hearsay route....got it :rolleyes

[djohn2oo8]

So you're going the hearsay route....got it :rolleyes

You think to orchestrate deflating footballs in a game, it takes one time to get the procedure down? They wouldn't have tried it before the AFC championship?

[djohn2oo8]

Not hearsay btw.

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[JamStone]

The punishment seems as much a product of Brady and the Patriots always being smug and defiant when shit goes down as anything else. It's like an aura of self righteous cockiness. They come across as crooked politicians caught in a scandal but using their position and power to basically say, "yeah, so? What the fuck are you going to do about it?" It's sort of like the difference between Andy Pettitte copping to using steroids versus A-Rod continually denying and double-talking to avoid any accountability until he finally just couldn't. Pettitte's image came out of the steroids era fairly clean. A-Rod is still viewed as a bitchmade liar and cheat.

If Brady admitted that he at least was aware of what happened, something tells me the punishment might not have been as severe, maybe just a token game. Right or wrong, I think the way Brady and the Patriots have responded to the accusations has been a big part of how heavy the punishment is.

From an organizational standpoint, the previous incidents probably also play a role in the lost draft picks.

[Chris]

Essentially a slap on the wrist in exchange for a Super Bowl ring. Pete Rose got banned for LIFE. Kraft will have some ridiculous PR statement about being offended blah blah blah, but in reality they got away with murder.

[Darth_Pelican]

Congrats DD on the division title.

[djohn2oo8]

Essentially a slap on the wrist in exchange for a Super Bowl ring. Pete Rose got banned for LIFE. Kraft will have some ridiculous PR statement about being offended blah blah blah, but in reality they got away with murder.

Too bad Hernandez didn't.

[Silver&Black]

You think to orchestrate deflating footballs in a game, it takes one time to get the procedure down? They wouldn't have tried it before the AFC championship?

No djohn....taking a couple pounds of air pressure out of a football isn't exactly rocket science. A monkey could "probably" be taught to do this simple task.

What you're saying though is that since it's so easy to do....they must have been doing it all along. You can't do that. Without evidence of prior infractions...you can't falsely accuse someone.

Listen....I'm not saying that Tom Brady didn't damn well know what he was doing. In this case (the one where he got caught) he deserves to be suspended. I just think 4 games for a 1st time offender is a little harsh. It's just my opinion. Ray Rice knocked a bitch out....then dragged said bitch out of an elevator by her hair. Ole Goodell thought that was a 2 game suspension. Only after public outcry...did they change the ruling. Same thing here....the public outcry was too much. So bitch boy Roger thought, "I better throw the book at the Golden Boy."

[Monostradamus]

Congrats DD (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=12607) on the division title.
Bills might take the division even with Brady playing all 16.

[Monostradamus]

I did like how pussy ass Goodell decided to hide behind Troy Vincent on this one. He probably figured he could avoid criticism, instead everyone seems to be pretty satisfied with this ruling.

[BatManu20]

I think it'll be reduced to 2 games, tbh.

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[pgardn]

Im surprised the NFL went for draft choices.

I guess the reasoning for this is somewhere in their statement.
I thought the Patriots, as a team, were considered to be cooperating.

[Avante]

Belichick will devise a QB -less game plan to go 2-2 until Brady gets back, no big deal there.

The $$$$, a drop in the bucket,

The draft picks...a biggie.

Tom Brady's legacy a bit tarnished, but just a little bit.

[Silver&Black]

Now this whole, "Teams can do whatever with the footballs" during the week prior is going to be looked at. (As long as they weigh right...and have correct psi)

I can see a situation where the NFL steps in and takes away this luxury from the QBs in the near future. The first snap of the game is going to be the first time the QB has touched that specific football....

[Trill Clinton]

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[djohn2oo8]

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:lmao

[SupremeGuy]

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:lol:rollin

[Clipper Nation]

Okay....Spygate...Tuck Rule...now deflate gate.Do we know for a fact that Tom Brady was involved in Spygate? No....Is it Tom Bradys fault that the refs called his fumble an incomplete pass? No...Did Tom Brady have something to do with the footballs being deflated? "Probably"....6 games for a first time offender? And some people wanted the entire year. I agree SupremeGuy...the people want this "cheating" franchise to be punished....and punished accordingly. The Patriots now are repeat offenders....but is Tom Brady? Why is he being lumped into the repeat offenders category?The organization is responsible for their players, and the organization has been caught cheating twice now, has a reputation for skirting the rules and who knows what they've done that nobody's found out about yet.

[Silver&Black]

The organization is responsible for their players, and the organization has been caught cheating twice now, has a reputation for skirting the rules and who knows what they've done that nobody's found out about yet.

"Who knows what they've done that nobody's found out about yet."

This may very well be true. They might have been doing this for years....then again...they might not have. You just can't accuse someone/some organization of doing something wrong without any concrete evidence.

I certainly think the Golden Boy cheated in this incident. But is he a repeat offender? I can't go that far yet.
Are the Patriots repeat offenders....certainly. That's why I have no problem with the 1st Round pick being taken away.

[Monostradamus]

who knows what they've done that nobody's found out about yet.
Yeah maybe something awful like putting stickum all over towels.

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah maybe something awful like putting stickum all over towels.
It's almost as if they were found innocent on appeal and didn't even have to pay a fine:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/04/chargers-ultimately-prevailed-in-appeal-of-towel-fine/

Face it, the Pats have the Spygate/Deflategate shit sandwich all to themselves :lol

[Monostradamus]

It's almost as if they were found innocent on appeal and didn't even have to pay a fine:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/04/chargers-ultimately-prevailed-in-appeal-of-towel-fine/

Face it, the Pats have the Spygate/Deflategate shit sandwich all to themselves :lol
Ahh so if Brady wins his appeal, he isn't a cheater :tu

[clambake]

espn says the 2 ball handlers have been suspended by the team. did they?

[BatManu20]

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[spurraider21]

:cry ideal gass law pls
:cry PV=nRT pls

[MultiTroll]

I don't think people hate the patriots as much as they hate seeing people continuously cheat and never get punished accordingly...

[MultiTroll]

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[pgardn]

The Patriots are the most interesting franchise in the NFL. This perfection they attempt to achieve while coming up with some very creative stuff is good for viewership. People are not going to turn the Patriots off because they skirt around the rules. The 4 offensive lineman deal that lead to new substitution rules, clearing a spot for FG... pretty brilliant stuff.

No one is really hurting here.

[djohn2oo8]

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[HI-FI]

It's almost as if they were found innocent on appeal and didn't even have to pay a fine:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/04/chargers-ultimately-prevailed-in-appeal-of-towel-fine/

Face it, the Pats have the Spygate/Deflategate shit sandwich all to themselves :lol
not to mention, when McDaniels got busted recording the Niners walkthrough in London, using an ex-pats cameraman, he reportedly told his staff that the Pats used to do that shit all the time and built gameplans around it.

[Thebesteva]

He'll have more time to do fun stuff like this now

http://www.boston.com/news/source/assets_c/2011/01/scooter-thumb-400x566-29929.jpg

[SupremeGuy]

http://s16.postimg.org/lug6lryfp/Cheatriots.jpg

[Chris]

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[AlexJones]

Has Mark Brunnell cried yet?

[Jacob1983]

Great news for the Cowboys but Jerry Jones is probably pissed since the Patriots will be at ATT Stadium without Tom Brady.

[DAF86]

:lmao blowing your wads this early. I'm genuinely shocked at losing a 1st rounder, aside from that pretty much expected the rest. Brady will be playing Week 1. Any impartial arbitrator will easily throw this suspension out.

Question for you bro, is winning while being cheating faggots as satisfying as winning the regular way?

[Jimmy Cobaine]

This is because Brady didn't go to the White House

[Thread]

http://s16.postimg.org/lug6lryfp/Cheatriots.jpg

tee, hee.

[Spur-Addict]

This is because Brady didn't go to the White House

http://i.imgur.com/sgLBh.gif

[Winehole23]

^^^beat my old ass to it

[Monostradamus]

Question for you bro, is winning while being cheating faggots as satisfying as winning the regular way?
Actually yes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7rPIg7ZNQ8
:smokin still just as badass as it was a week ago.

[DAF86]

Actually yes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7rPIg7ZNQ8
:smokin still just as badass as it was a week ago.

Good for you son.

[Blake]

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Lol does anyone really believe he'll get stuck with four

[The Gemini Method]

Lol does anyone really believe he'll get stuck with four Probably Not. But if he were to come out and admit to his part in covering up or lying or obstruction of justice and accept the punishment as originally doled out, he'd probably get a modicum of respect back from the masses. He'll probably lose 1 game of the 4 be back for the game at Cowboy Stadium.

[Blake]

Probably Not. But if he were to come out and admit to his part in covering up or lying or obstruction of justice and accept the punishment as originally doled out, he'd probably get a modicum of respect back from the masses. He'll probably lose 1 game of the 4 be back for the game at Cowboy Stadium.

I'd lose respect fir him if he comes clean now.

I think he ends up with two.

Lol at the arbiter being Goodell in the appeals process

[Spur-Addict]

I'd lose respect fir him if he comes clean now.

I think he ends up with two.

Lol at the arbiter being Goodell in the appeals process

What's your thought process on this? Reasoning I guess is what I'm getting at.

[djohn2oo8]

Wells said he was struck by a text message in which McNally called himself “The Deflator” and wanted to ask him about that. But the Patriots refused to put him in touch with McNally for a follow-up.

“I asked for a second interview, I said I would go to New Hampshire, I would interview him in the morning, afternoon night, I would do it whenever he was free. And they said not only could I not interview him, they wouldn’t even tell him of my request for an interview,” Wells said.

Wells said that contrary to reports that McNally talked to him four times and only refused for a fifth interview, Wells actually only wanted to talk to McNally twice.

“NFL security people talked to McNally on three occasions,” Wells said. “They talked to him on the night of the game for approximately 40 minutes, they talked to him the next morning by telephone for about 20 minutes, they talked to him in person I believe the next day for about 30 minutes. Those are three interviews. The Patriots urged me when I got to the case to start fresh, not to pay any attention to what NFL security had done. In fact they thought the people at NFL Security were biased. They applauded when I said I wanted to start fresh. And for them to later say I couldn’t have a second interview with the most important person in the case was a lack of cooperation.”

Wells also said that although Brady answered all of his questions in an interview, Brady refused to hand over electronic communications that would have helped in the Deflategate investigation.

“Mr. Brady, the report sets forth, he came to the interview, he answered every question, he did not refuse to answer any questions in terms of the back and forth between Mr. Brady and my team — he was totally cooperative,” Wells said. “At the same time, he refused to permit us to review electronic data from his telephone or other instruments. Most of the key evidence in this case as in most cases comes from people’s cell phones and he refused to let us review the phone. And I want to be crystal clear, I told Mr. Brady and his agents I was willing to not take possession of the phone, I don’t want to see any private communications, I said, ‘You keep the phone, you give me documents that are responsive to this investigation and I will take your word for it’ and they still refused.”

In the case of Brady, the NFL seems particularly troubled that he didn’t fully cooperate with the investigation, suggesting that the cover-up may have been worse than the crime.

[Chris]

Gay porn on Brady's phone :lol

[Blake]

What's your thought process on this? Reasoning I guess is what I'm getting at.

this whole thing over a slightly underinflated football is ridiculous and they have no concrete evidence of his involvement to boot. He just concurred that it was ridiculous and did a TV interview on it being ridiculous, so to do a turnabout on it now would make him look like a pussy that's just trying to lessen the punishment.

[djohn2oo8]

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[Spur-Addict]

this whole thing over a slightly underinflated football is ridiculous and they have no concrete evidence of his involvement to boot. He just concurred that it was ridiculous and did a TV interview on it being ridiculous, so to do a turnabout on it now would make him look like a pussy that's just trying to lessen the punishment.

Would you have the same opinion if someone took a plea deal from the beginning knowing their guilt, and knowing what the punishment would be if the plea deal wasn't arranged?

[Blake]

Would you have the same opinion if someone took a plea deal from the beginning knowing their guilt, and knowing what the punishment would be if the plea deal wasn't arranged?

depends on the deal but generally no, pleading out to get less time in jail is not a pussy move. Generally speaking.

[Blake]

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of course you would, Ted

Meanwhile there's no smoking gun.

[Spur-Addict]

depends on the deal but generally no, pleading out to get less time in jail is not a pussy move. Generally speaking.

Although I didn't specify, I meant within the context of the current story line, not actual jail. If Brady could plea prior, or an offender could make a plea deal prior.

[Blake]

Although I didn't specify, I meant within the context of the current story line, not actual jail. If Brady could plea prior, or an offender could make a plea deal prior.

well within the context of this story line, Brady would be a pussy to admit it now to get a plea deal.

[tlongII]

The Patriots are the most interesting franchise in the NFL. This perfection they attempt to achieve while coming up with some very creative stuff is good for viewership. People are not going to turn the Patriots off because they skirt around the rules. The 4 offensive lineman deal that lead to new substitution rules, clearing a spot for FG... pretty brilliant stuff.

No one is really hurting here.

The Seahawks are far more interesting than the Patriots.

[SupremeGuy]

Wells said he was struck by a text message in which McNally called himself “The Deflator” and wanted to ask him about that. But the Patriots refused to put him in touch with McNally for a follow-up.

“I asked for a second interview, I said I would go to New Hampshire, I would interview him in the morning, afternoon night, I would do it whenever he was free. And they said not only could I not interview him, they wouldn’t even tell him of my request for an interview,” Wells said.

Wells said that contrary to reports that McNally talked to him four times and only refused for a fifth interview, Wells actually only wanted to talk to McNally twice.

“NFL security people talked to McNally on three occasions,” Wells said. “They talked to him on the night of the game for approximately 40 minutes, they talked to him the next morning by telephone for about 20 minutes, they talked to him in person I believe the next day for about 30 minutes. Those are three interviews. The Patriots urged me when I got to the case to start fresh, not to pay any attention to what NFL security had done. In fact they thought the people at NFL Security were biased. They applauded when I said I wanted to start fresh. And for them to later say I couldn’t have a second interview with the most important person in the case was a lack of cooperation.”

Wells also said that although Brady answered all of his questions in an interview, Brady refused to hand over electronic communications that would have helped in the Deflategate investigation.

“Mr. Brady, the report sets forth, he came to the interview, he answered every question, he did not refuse to answer any questions in terms of the back and forth between Mr. Brady and my team — he was totally cooperative,” Wells said. “At the same time, he refused to permit us to review electronic data from his telephone or other instruments. Most of the key evidence in this case as in most cases comes from people’s cell phones and he refused to let us review the phone. And I want to be crystal clear, I told Mr. Brady and his agents I was willing to not take possession of the phone, I don’t want to see any private communications, I said, ‘You keep the phone, you give me documents that are responsive to this investigation and I will take your word for it’ and they still refused.”

In the case of Brady, the NFL seems particularly troubled that he didn’t fully cooperate with the investigation, suggesting that the cover-up may have been worse than the crime.:cry circumstantial :cry

[Blake]

:cry they didn't want to talk to Wells :cry

:cry guilty! :cry

[The Gemini Method]

The Garappolo era begins!

[Raven]

they didn't want to talk him after already talking to him :cry they found something to hide in the process :cry guilty :cry

[Spur-Addict]

they didn't want to talk him after already talking to him :cry they found something to hide in the process :cry guilty :cry

As long as they beat Buffalo nothing else matters really. Week 4 is a bye if I'm not mistaken. A two game reduction and you only miss Jacksonville? :lol

Not that big of a deal.

[djohn2oo8]

:cry circumstantial :cry

:lmao McNally referring to himself as the deflator before the season even started

[RD2191]

pussy should be out at least 1 year

[SupremeGuy]

:lmao McNally referring to himself as the deflator before the season even startedDo you have proof? :cry

:cry innocent till proven guilty :cry

[monosylab1k]

:lmao McNally referring to himself as the deflator before the season even started

Which proves what? It's not illegal to simply deflate a football. Funny because McNally also repeatedly threatened to overinflate the balls, but that was "said in jest".....meanwhile he gives himself a shitty comic villain nickname and that's stone cold proof that Brady cheats.

[SupremeGuy]

Which proves what? It's not illegal to simply deflate a football. Funny because McNally also repeatedly threatened to overinflate the balls, but that was "said in jest".....meanwhile he gives himself a shitty comic villain nickname and that's stone cold proof that Brady cheats.No one is going to jail, tbh.

[Blake]

pussy should be out at least 1 year

for allegedly knowing about a little air being let out

Lol

[Blake]

:lmao McNally referring to himself as the deflator before the season even started

:cry therefore Brady should be suspended four games :cry

[Blake]

No one is going to jail, tbh.

Damn you're retarded

[SupremeGuy]

pussy should be out at least 1 year:cry no proof :cry

:cry circumstantial evidence :cry

[SupremeGuy]

Damn you're retardedNo you are! :cry

[djohn2oo8]

:cry therefore Brady should be suspended four games :cry

Because equipment managers tamper with footballs without direction :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Which proves what? It's not illegal to simply deflate a football. Funny because McNally also repeatedly threatened to overinflate the balls, but that was "said in jest".....meanwhile he gives himself a shitty comic villain nickname and that's stone cold proof that Brady cheats.

But why threaten to go to ESPN if what he was doing was legal? Also under his watch, practice balls were used in game.

[RD2191]

for allegedly knowing about a little air being let out

Lol
allegedly? did you not read the text messages?

[SupremeGuy]

Because equipment managers tamper with footballs without direction :lol:cry prove it :cry

[djohn2oo8]

for allegedly knowing about a little air being let out

Lol

Lol allegedly, even though the texts say he knew.

[djohn2oo8]

:cry prove it :cry

:lol

[djohn2oo8]

Also, :lol at taking the footballs into the bathroom knowing there are cameras in the hall, and proceeding to lock the door.

[SupremeGuy]

Also, :lol at taking the footballs into the bathroom knowing there are cameras in the hall, and proceeding to lock the door.:cry brady didn't know :cry

[djohn2oo8]

:cry brady didn't know :cry

:lol

[djohn2oo8]

http://www.finishline.com/images/products/xl543910419.jpg

[SupremeGuy]

http://www.finishline.com/images/products/xl543910419.jpgNot gonna lie, that's a cool shirt. lol

I have the Dez version of it.

[Blake]

No you are! :cry

There's concrete evidence here of you being retarded.

[Blake]

Lol allegedly, even though the texts say he knew.

Which text

[SupremeGuy]

There's concrete evidence here of you being retarded.:cry prove it :cry

[Blake]

:cry prove it :cry


This is what concerns you? Not the beheading of homosexuals, stoning of rape victims, rampant pedophilia, or monstrous bestiality of barbaric islam? You're a fucking idiot.

You calling me an idiot at the end of your logical fallacy was icing.

[djohn2oo8]

Which text

Brady: You good Jonny boy?

Jastremski:*Still nervous, so far so good though. I’ll be alright

Brady:*You didn’t do anything wrong bud.

Jestremski: I know, I’ll be all good.

Later, Jastremski sent Brady a text to warn him someone would be coming to speak to him about the matter.

“He’s not accusing me or anyone,” the text read, “trying to get to bottom of it. He know’s it is unrealistic you did it yourself.”

[SupremeGuy]

You calling me an idiot at the end of your logical fallacy was icing.:cry that's circumstantial :cry

[Blake]

Brady: You good Jonny boy?

Jastremski:*Still nervous, so far so good though. I’ll be alright

Brady:*You didn’t do anything wrong bud.

Jestremski: I know, I’ll be all good.

Later, Jastremski sent Brady a text to warn him someone would be coming to speak to him about the matter.

“He’s not accusing me or anyone,” the text read, “trying to get to bottom of it. He know’s it is unrealistic you did it yourself.”

oh you mean the text we've all seen that proves nothing

[pgardn]

Im surprised the NFL went for draft choices.

I guess the reasoning for this is somewhere in their statement.
I thought the Patriots, as a team, were considered to be cooperating.

Oops.

My bad.

They refused to let the NFL talk to the alleged deflater a second time.
Pretty damn stupid if everything was hunky dory.

[Blake]

The funny part is the $1 million fine they gave to the Pats. Kraft's limo driver can probably scrape that out of the ash tray.

Not to mention the money Kraft saves from not paying Tom for four games

[MultiTroll]

oh you mean the text we've all seen that proves nothing
You're the same dumbfuck troll who was spouting about what Aaron Hernandez did proved nothing.

[Blake]

You're the same dumbfuck troll who was spouting about what Aaron Hernandez did proved nothing.

no idea what you're talking about.

You're a weird guy, fabbs.

[FlAVaK]

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[Chris]

lol dumbasses :lol

[SupremeGuy]

What a bunch of faggots, tbh. Who willingly handcuffs themselves to another dude?

[Spur-Addict]

:lol Willing to handcuff themselves over Tom Brady and the Patriots as opposed to something that's actually significant to the their lives

[unleashbaynes]

:lol Willing to handcuff themselves over Tom Brady and the Patriots as opposed to something that's actually significant to the their lives
:lmao going to jail over a zillionaire getting a timeout

[monosylab1k]

Those guys all work for Barstool Sports. It was a publicity stunt, although clearly a failed one since nobody knows who they are and think they're just random insane Patriots fans.

[Blake]

"...... Tom Brady has lawyered up, and many believe the team he put together is on par with the Super Bowl XLIX champs. The New England Patriots quarterback could have his DeflateGate suspension overturned, a source texted ESPN’s Adam Schefter, who relayed the message on “The Herd With Colin Cowherd.” “Brady’s team is unreal,” the source said. “Talented, big-name lawyers: Yee, Kessler, etc.
Prediction=won’t miss a game.”......

Read more at:*http://nesn.com/2015/05/adam-schefter-source-predicts-tom-bradys-suspension-will-be-overturned/


Lol

[Raven]

seems like Kraft is going to sue the league.

[Blake]

seems like Kraft is going to sue the league.

He should although I don't think his case is as strong as Tom's

[FlAVaK]

Those guys all work for Barstool Sports. It was a publicity stunt, although clearly a failed one since nobody knows who they are and think they're just random insane Patriots fans.

:lmao

thanks for the info :toast

[SupremeGuy]

If brady sues the NFL, it's going to give them subpoena power right? Fuck it, let's open this can of worms.

[Blake]

If brady sues the NFL, it's going to give them subpoena power right? Fuck it, let's open this can of worms.

What out there is left that you think they'll find? A text that says "deflate 'em"?

[Blake]

".... I’d sue the hell out of the NFL for defamation,” Trump says in the video clip. “Two-hundred-and-fifty million dollars. Sue them Tom. They’ll settle so fast your head will spin.”

Lol Donald

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/05/12/donald-trump-tells-tom-brady-sue-nfl/YysyNni0cRyGMFRZrIqifK/story.html

[Clipper Nation]

"...... Tom Brady has lawyered up, and many believe the team he put together is on par with the Super Bowl XLIX champs. The New England Patriots quarterback could have his DeflateGate suspension overturned, a source texted ESPN’s Adam Schefter, who relayed the message on “The Herd With Colin Cowherd.” “Brady’s team is unreal,” the source said. “Talented, big-name lawyers: Yee, Kessler, etc.
Prediction=won’t miss a game.”......

Read more at:*http://nesn.com/2015/05/adam-schefter-source-predicts-tom-bradys-suspension-will-be-overturned/


Lol
Wow, I am SHOCKED that the New England Sports Network has a "source" who is telling their audience what they want to hear.

[SupremeGuy]

What out there is left that you think they'll find? A text that says "deflate 'em"?Maybe? :lol

[Blake]

Wow, I am SHOCKED that the New England Sports Network has a "source" who is telling their audience what they want to hear.

RIF. A source texted Adam Schefter.

do you believe the four game suspension sticks?

[Blake]

Maybe? :lol

Well any lawyer worth a damn would review the case thoroughly and know what to expect to disclose in court.

If they go through with it, I'm sure they're ok with whatever surfaces.

[SupremeGuy]

Well any lawyer worth a damn would review the case thoroughly and know what to expect to disclose in court.

If they go through with it, I'm sure they're ok with whatever surfaces.Yeah, I get that. We'll see what happens.

[Aztecfan03]

hadn't seen this til now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT9pygVQwgk

[Clipper Nation]

RIF. A source texted Adam Schefter.

do you believe the four game suspension sticks?
Adam Schefter, who works for a network based in Connecticut (i.e. New England).

[Spur-Addict]

hadn't seen this til now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT9pygVQwgk

:lol

[SupremeGuy]

hadn't seen this til now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT9pygVQwgk:lmao

[monosylab1k]

Adam Schefter, who works for a network based in Connecticut (i.e. New England).

He's also a Michigan grad! :cry the media always sides with the Patriots! :cry

[monosylab1k]

Considering ESPN is the ones who originally turned this into a national story (with completely false information, no less) I doubt their Bristol connections mean any favoritism is shown.

[Blake]

Adam Schefter, who works for a network based in Connecticut (i.e. New England).

Ok if it helps you disregard the info.

Do you think he'll end up with four games, yes or no? Why are you avoiding this question

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[Spur-Addict]

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Well hot damn

[Blake]

598501612466905088

The comments here are pretty funny:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/13/a-j-feeley-says-he-witnessed-patriots-use-doctored-footballs/

[spurraider21]

which comment was funny

[The Gemini Method]

AJ Feels getting some needed shine after a non-descript career...

[HI-FI]

which comment was funny
be more ssspecific

[Chris]

https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11247718_768410903276520_8868566462052781033_n.jpg ?oh=ad95fd7f845d40d1b104726a0dd0215e&oe=55C95A5C

[Blake]

which comment was funny

None were. Was just ass talking

[unleashbaynes]

who's gonna remember this in 5 years??

[SupremeGuy]

https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11247718_768410903276520_8868566462052781033_n.jpg ?oh=ad95fd7f845d40d1b104726a0dd0215e&oe=55C95A5C:lol


who's gonna remember this in 5 years??Everyone.

The cheatriots, belitcheat, and shady were already known as cheaters for spygate. Adding deflategate to it basically cements cheating as their legacy. People will probably remember the cheating more than the tainted rings, tbh. Unless you're so weirdo from boston, of course. Then you'll probably still be crying about people targeting poor new england sports teams. :cry

[unleashbaynes]

nah i'm pretty sure this is just filler for the media tbh. the average, non-asshurt at the Patriots NFL fan won't remember any of this.

[SupremeGuy]

No one is asshurt or butthurt, and no one hates the cheatriots, tbh. Everyone hates cheaters though, and that's what the cheatriots are, so that's what everyone will remember.

[unleashbaynes]

man you are living in a fantasy land if you think this game is legitimately clean.

[Blake]

Of all the things for fans and the league to cry about, this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in sports.

[djohn2oo8]

Of all the things for fans and the league to cry about, this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in sports.

Why?

[monosylab1k]

Why?

For starters, two other teams were caught red-handed earlier this season and received a warning. They have no hard evidence on the Patriots and dropped the hammer. The NFL was about as nonchalant and unconcerned with ball tampering as they possibly could be, until the fans started screaming for :cry the big bad Patriots :cry to be punished.

[djohn2oo8]

For starters, two other teams were caught red-handed earlier this season and received a warning. They have no hard evidence on the Patriots and dropped the hammer. The NFL was about as nonchalant and unconcerned with ball tampering as they possibly could be, until the fans started screaming for :cry the big bad Patriots :cry to be punished.

Did those teams have a record of getting caught by the league? The punishment for the Patriots was about Spygate. The suspension for Brady was obstructing. Which if Brady wants to take it to court, he will have to turn over his phone then.

[Blake]

Why?

who really gives a fuck how much air is in a football. Srsly, If Brady wants to let air out or Rodgers wants to add air, who really gives a fuck.

Troy Aikman was on radio talking about how during his time the NFL used to make all the teams use the same ball, but somewhere in the 2000s, the league catered to Brady and Manning's requests to use their own balls.

So here the league is, allowing teams to manipulate balls, not having refs check them before putting them in play yet they're gonna suspend a QB four games because it was uncovered by the opposing butt hurt team that the balls were a little low in air.

The whole thing is wicked retahded. Goodell is a fucking idiot.

[Blake]

Which if Brady wants to take it to court, he will have to turn over his phone then.

Says who? Link?

[djohn2oo8]

Or, more likely, Brady could threaten the NFL with a lawsuit for defamation of character, similar to what Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma filed against the league in 2012 over Bountygate (it was tossed out of court).

Brady would face a high burden of proof to show that the NFL intentionally sought to defame his character. A lawsuit could also expose Brady to the discovery process, in which he could be forced to hand over the electronic communications he fought to protect during Ted Wells’s investigation.
Says who? Link?

[djohn2oo8]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/12/tom-brady-and-patriots-have-options-contest-these-penalties/4YBBqXWJ7lQuFIlYkB1HcM/story.html

If he wants to file a lawsuit

[monosylab1k]

Patriots just released their own 19,000 word statement shitting all over the Wells Report. I won't bother posting a link since nobody here is probably interested in reading anything that would harm the legitimacy of their precious.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Yes, I'm sure the denial from the team that got caught red-handed again is totally unbiased and trustworthy.

[ColinB]

"Had they done so, they would have learned from either gentleman one of the ways they used the deflation/deflator term. Mr. Jastremski would sometimes work out and bulk up — he is a slender guy and his goal was to get to 200 pounds. Mr. McNally is a big fellow and had the opposite goal: to lose weight. “Deflate” was a term they used to refer to losing weight. One can specifically see this use of the term in a Nov. 30, 2014 text from Mr. McNally to Mr. Jastremski: “deflate and give somebody that jacket.” (p. 87). This banter, and Mr. McNally’s goal of losing weight, meant Mr. McNally was the “deflator.”"


:lol

[monosylab1k]

:lmao Yes, I'm sure the denial from the team that got caught red-handed again is totally unbiased and trustworthy.

As opposed to the report from a guy who has been paid to defend the league office in the past?

[Blake]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/12/tom-brady-and-patriots-have-options-contest-these-penalties/4YBBqXWJ7lQuFIlYkB1HcM/story.html

If he wants to file a lawsuit

Could have to =/= will have to

Even then, we've already seen the ball boys texts to and from Tom so really what else would there be on his phone that would relate to this case?

[monosylab1k]

"Had they done so, they would have learned from either gentleman one of the ways they used the deflation/deflator term. Mr. Jastremski would sometimes work out and bulk up — he is a slender guy and his goal was to get to 200 pounds. Mr. McNally is a big fellow and had the opposite goal: to lose weight. “Deflate” was a term they used to refer to losing weight. One can specifically see this use of the term in a Nov. 30, 2014 text from Mr. McNally to Mr. Jastremski: “deflate and give somebody that jacket.” (p. 87). This banter, and Mr. McNally’s goal of losing weight, meant Mr. McNally was the “deflator.”"


:lol

Yeah that's a lame rebuttal. Of course that's the only thing people will read, the only thing ESPN will bring up. Ignore the fact that A NOBEL PRIZE WINNING SCIENTIST SAYS THAT TED WELLS' SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH IS BULLSHIT, nope just laugh at the fat guy excuse.

[Blake]

:lmao Yes, I'm sure the denial from the team that got caught red-handed again is totally unbiased and trustworthy.

Except they didn't get caught red handed. That's why they'll appeal and possibly sue.

[monosylab1k]

Ignore the fact that McNally didn't sneak off with the footballs, and that video evidence clearly shows him picking up the ball bags IN FRONT OF THE REFS and walking out with them, that video evidence shows him walking past NFL security and they don't think twice to question why he has the footballs, ignore that he clearly was not trying to sneak past anybody......nope just laugh at the fat loss excuse.

[Spur-Addict]

:rollin Bent out of shape

[monosylab1k]

Can't wait to see Brady take on the Steelers Week 1! :hungry:

[djohn2oo8]

598882019859439616

:lmao

[monosylab1k]

598882019859439616

:lmao

How is that conclusion any less illogical than the one Ted Wells jumped to?

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

598883461634596865

[monosylab1k]

598883461634596865

Why did the Ferguson PD suspend Darren Wilson when he was found not to have done anything wrong?

Plus they were clearly stealing equipment from the team. That's grounds for firing right there.

[djohn2oo8]

How is that conclusion any less illogical than the one Ted Wells jumped to?

Yeah because everyone takes the same amount of time to take a piss and wash up :lmao

On top of it, why take the footballs in the bathroom while taking a piss? :rollin

[monosylab1k]

Yeah because everyone takes the same amount of time to take a piss and wash up :lmao

On top of it, why take the footballs in the bathroom while taking a piss? :rollin

Why leave them outside where anybody could walk up and take them. Video clearly shows NFL security and officials gave zero fucks about ball security.

[SupremeGuy]

"Had they done so, they would have learned from either gentleman one of the ways they used the deflation/deflator term. Mr. Jastremski would sometimes work out and bulk up — he is a slender guy and his goal was to get to 200 pounds. Mr. McNally is a big fellow and had the opposite goal: to lose weight. “Deflate” was a term they used to refer to losing weight. One can specifically see this use of the term in a Nov. 30, 2014 text from Mr. McNally to Mr. Jastremski: “deflate and give somebody that jacket.” (p. 87). This banter, and Mr. McNally’s goal of losing weight, meant Mr. McNally was the “deflator.”"


:lolYou have got to be fucking kidding me. :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

Why leave them outside where anybody could walk up and take them. Video clearly shows NFL security and officials gave zero fucks about ball security.

Who would come to the Patriots sidelines and take them without ANY Patriots staff noticing? :lol

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Mono melting down harder than a GNSF upstairs... this is almost "trade Dirk for Anthony Randolph" level.

[djohn2oo8]

You have got to be fucking kidding me. :lmao

Did Brady write that shit? :lmao

[monosylab1k]

:lmao Mono melting down harder than a GNSF upstairs... this is almost "trade Dirk for Anthony Randolph" level.

How? I love this rebuttal. And per par usual, the haters take the one ridiculous statement and pound it into the ground. Thankfully an impartial judge will actually see that outside of the ESPN talking point, this rebuttal just assraped Ted Wells' credibility.

[djohn2oo8]

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:lol

[monosylab1k]

Just bottle your tears up and mail them to me when Brady is on the field Week 1.

[SupremeGuy]

598873897468067840:rollin

[Blake]

598883461634596865

valid point. I'm sure they'll reinstate them shortly though.

[spurraider21]

Patriots just released their own 19,000 word statement shitting all over the Wells Report. I won't bother posting a link since nobody here is probably interested in reading anything that would harm the legitimacy of their precious.
Yeah and I'm sure Aaron hernandez' attorney presented a case that shit on the prosecution too

[monosylab1k]

Yeah and I'm sure Aaron hernandez' attorney presented a case that shit on the prosecution too

Sounds like someone who didn't pay attention to the Aaron Hernandez trial.

[spurraider21]

Sounds like someone who didn't pay attention to the Aaron Hernandez trial.
:cry he witnessed the murder and didn't know how to respond

My point being, a denial by the party in question is always going to rewrite the story. That's the fucking point. It's not "shitting on" when you claim deflating was about weight, "taking it to espn" during a league investigation being about "kicks" and frequent texts between a QB and equipment guy during an investigation were "to show support for the Superbowl" when the two rarely texted prior to the incident.

[SupremeGuy]

valid point. I'm sure they'll reinstate them shortly though.Reinstating them doesn't change the fact that they initially suspended them, tbh.

I don't think it'll be long until Jastremski and McNally realize that they should be hiring their own lawyers and going after the cheatriots, and that's when this will really get fun. That is, unless Kraft is already low a few million and Jastremski and McNally have already been taken care of monetarily.

[monosylab1k]

:cry he witnessed the murder and didn't know how to respond

My point being, a denial by the party in question is always going to rewrite the story. That's the fucking point. It's not "shitting on" when you claim deflating was about weight, "taking it to espn" during a league investigation being about "kicks" and frequent texts between a QB and equipment guy during an investigation were "to show support for the Superbowl" when the two rarely texted prior to the incident.

We'll see what you have to say when Brady is suiting up to play in Week 1, dorito dink.

[Raven]

The January 18 letter to the Patriots also contained two significant misstatements that set a tone for this investigation and were an apparent source of media misreporting: 1) that one of the Patriots footballs was measured at 10.1 psi at halftime, an obvious misstatement; 2) that all of the Colts footballs measured within regulation — another misstatement. The League never corrected this notice in any respect. Why was the League content to have the Patriots dealing with this investigation for months based on inaccurate information? The investigators were not troubled by any of these obvious errors or by the League’s failure to correct them.


that part is the only one that i care, honestly.

[spurraider21]

We'll see what you have to say when Brady is suiting up to play in Week 1, dorito dink.
When this thing first blew up, I was among those saying it wasn't a big deal and thought nothing would come of it. That said, I'm enjoying the pats being in a shitstorm. And all the talking out the ass you are doing isn't really changing any of it.

[djohn2oo8]

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[Infinite_limit]

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[Blake]

valid point. I'm sure they'll reinstate them shortly though.

Oh never mind

"...... The league announced that neither can be reinstated without league executive vice president Troy Vincent’s approval, and spells out that: “If they are reinstated by the Patriots, Jastremski is prohibited from having any role in the preparation, supervision, or handling of footballs to be used in NFL games during the 2015 season. McNally is barred from serving as a locker room attendant for the game officials, or having any involvement with the preparation, supervision, or handling of footballs or any other equipment on game day."

Unless Jastremski is secretly related to Red Sox legend Carl Yastrzemski, it’s hard to imagine him resurfacing with the team,*considering the level of contact he had with Brady*which contributed to the “more probable than not” tampering.

Given McNally’s gameday temp status,*and the apparent glee he took in messing with Brady,*extorting memorabilia and threatening to go to ESPN in his text messages, it’s a*good*bet he won’t be hanging around Gillette Stadium any time soon....."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/11/the-deflator-pats-equipment-assistant-suspended-indefinitely/

[Blake]

I do imagine that they'll come up with some reason though

[IceColdBrewski]

"Had they done so, they would have learned from either gentleman one of the ways they used the deflation/deflator term. Mr. Jastremski would sometimes work out and bulk up — he is a slender guy and his goal was to get to 200 pounds. Mr. McNally is a big fellow and had the opposite goal: to lose weight. “Deflate” was a term they used to refer to losing weight. One can specifically see this use of the term in a Nov. 30, 2014 text from Mr. McNally to Mr. Jastremski: “deflate and give somebody that jacket.” (p. 87). This banter, and Mr. McNally’s goal of losing weight, meant Mr. McNally was the “deflator.”"


:lol


http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/62203576.jpg

[benefactor]

I don't give a shit what happens either way, but damn...some of you care way too much about this.:lol

[djohn2oo8]

598934617446621187

:lol

[Spur-Addict]

598934617446621187

:lol

:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

598946233277935616

[SupremeGuy]

598934617446621187

:lol:rollin

[Arcadian]

:lmao Patriots
:lmao Championship tarnished forever
:lmao Brady
:lmao Legacy tarnished

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[Clipper Nation]

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:lol Kraft
:lol Talking out of his ass

[spurraider21]

:cry but but, they shit on the Wells report!!

[Blake]

:lol Kraft
:lol Talking out of his ass

How many games do you think Brady gets suspended for

[Clipper Nation]

How many games do you think Brady gets suspended for

How many bulls have you hired to drill your wife?

[Blake]

How many bulls have you hired to drill your wife?

Smh you're investing too much in this

[Raven]

i don't see anyone answering the question, why were the colts balls underinflated too, and why there is no penalty for them.

[monosylab1k]

i don't see anyone answering the question, why were the colts balls underinflated too, and why there is no penalty for them.

Of the 4 Colts balls tested, they naturally deflated due to weather conditions. The Patriots balls did the same, but due to discrepancies in the readouts from 2 different gauges, the lab doing the experiments decided to use the readouts from the gauge that the ref claims he didn't use on the Pats balls. Those readings made it plausible that the Patriots balls might have been tampered with. Readouts frim the other gauge show natural deflation in the Pats footballs.

Of course, this is the same lab that was used by tobacco lobbyists to prove secondhand smoke doesn't cause cancer, but that's none of my business.

[spurraider21]

And your scientific guy and kraft are business partners :lol

[monosylab1k]

And your scientific guy and kraft are business partners :lol

........yeah honestly it hurt a little finding that out. Kinda weasely to try and leave that bit out, I admit. Even so, you don't need a Nobel Prize winning scientist to show Ideal Gas Law.

[djohn2oo8]

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[Blake]

599037816992063489

Wow Goodell is a fucking idiot.

[Avante]

:lmao Patriots
:lmao Championship tarnished forever
:lmao Brady
:lmao Legacy tarnished

Wrong!

Tom Brady will be in the HOF and this will mean...0.

The Pats will be considered one of the great franchises in history.

This ain't shit! Nobody cares about stuff like this. Actually it's boring.

[Arcadian]

Wrong!

Tom Brady will be in the HOF and this will mean...0.

The Pats will be considered one of the great franchises in history.

This ain't shit! Nobody cares about stuff like this. Actually it's boring.

I agree that it's boring. But look at how far it's come. None of us expected this. And now, instead of spending their summer enjoying their championship, they have to spend it listening to all this shit. In that sense, it's already been tarnished. People are talking more about this than the actual merits of their championship. It's either this or the Carroll fuckup. You have to admit, this was probably one of the least deserved championships in NFL history.

[monosylab1k]

You have to admit, this was probably one of the least deserved championships in NFL history.

:lmao your team won the biggest bullshit super bowl of all time, against Seattle no less. Fuck off.

[Blake]

" MAKING A BAD SITUATION WORSE:*Roger Goodell himself is going to hear Tom Brady's appeal, as if the NFL didn't already look stupid enough with this whole thing. It's an incredibly bad idea and a reminder of just how arbitrary and, worse, reactionary the league's player discipline system really is. With Goodell playing arbiter, I would expect him to uphold Brady's four-game suspension, which will then send the fight to the courts where the NFL will almost certainly lose, again......."

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/5/15/8610987/defaltegate-roger-goodell-tom-brady


I concur.

[Thread]

" MAKING A BAD SITUATION WORSE:*Roger Goodell himself is going to hear Tom Brady's appeal, as if the NFL didn't already look stupid enough with this whole thing. It's an incredibly bad idea and a reminder of just how arbitrary and, worse, reactionary the league's player discipline system really is. With Goodell playing arbiter, I would expect him to uphold Brady's four-game suspension, which will then send the fight to the courts where the NFL will almost certainly lose, again......."

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/5/15/8610987/defaltegate-roger-goodell-tom-brady


I concur.

He must hear it. It's commanded by the CBA. Players traded less hitting in practice for permitting Goodell to hear the appellate process.

They've only themselves to blame.

[Blake]

He must hear it. It's commanded by the CBA. Players traded less hitting in practice for permitting Goodell to hear the appellate process.

They've only themselves to blame.

Not true.

Goodell has the right to hear but can pass.

[Thread]

Not true.

Goodell has the right to hear but can pass.

You're right.

[Blake]

It's pretty ridiculous though that the NFLPA agreed to allow the commissioner to be arbiter of punishments he hands down.

[Thread]

It's pretty ridiculous though that the NFLPA agreed to allow the commissioner to be arbiter of punishments he hands down.

I agree, but, they received some thing in return, and it musta been worth it. I just said the "hitting in practice" as an example.

[djohn2oo8]

Patriots have been accused of tampering with communications before



Karlos Dansby (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2663/karlos-dansby) said in an appearance on PFT Live this week that he suspected the Patriots of wrongdoing (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/14/dansby-suspects-foul-play-from-2008-game-in-new-england/) in 2008, when the Cardinals visited New England and had trouble with their coach-to-helmet communications system. Dansby wasn’t the first to make such a claim against the Patriots.

After the Jaguars lost to the Patriots in the playoffs following the 2005 season, then-Jacksonville coach Jack Del Rio said the headsets “mysteriously malfunctioned (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=3186998).”

In 2007, Paul Zimmerman of Sports Illustrated reported that in a 2006 Lions-Patriots game in New England, then-Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz had Detroit’s offense off to a good start until he lost the ability to call plays because the communications system went out. According to that report, it happened to the Lions twice, both times in the middle of drives when the Lions were picking up steam.
Zimmerman’s report also quoted Bengals coach Marvin Lewis as saying the same thing that happened to the Lions had happened to the Bengals as well: “Yeah, I know,” Lewis said. “Headset went out. It happened to me in Foxboro, too.”


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/15/patriots-have-been-accused-of-tampering-with-communications-before/

[unleashbaynes]

the more i read the more the Wells Report sounds like a bunch of speculative shit.

[unleashbaynes]

https://m.soundcloud.com/maddogsportsradio/former-dolphins-ol-coach-jim-turner-joins-adam-schein-and-destroys-ted-wells

[Blake]

the more i read the more the Wells Report sounds like a bunch of speculative shit.

It's gotten wicked quiet here all of sudden. I'm thinking the Brady haters are all starting to realize it's shit.

[Chinook]

It's gotten wicked quiet here all of sudden. I'm thinking the Brady haters are all starting to realize it's shit.


Smh you're investing too much in this

Think it's more this. Until the appeal is heard, there really isn't any more stuff to talk about. Remember, this has been a story for four months now. Even the Rice drama had a break around this time of the year.

[spurraider21]

It's gotten wicked quiet here all of sudden. I'm thinking the Brady haters are all starting to realize it's shit.
ur basically making a claim (that brady wont serve 4) and are acting high and mighty because ":cry you cant prove me wrong :cry"

[Blake]

Think it's more this. Until the appeal is heard, there really isn't any more stuff to talk about. Remember, this has been a story for four months now. Even the Rice drama had a break around this time of the year.

That's possible.

[Blake]

ur basically making a claim (that brady wont serve 4) and are acting high and mighty because ":cry you cant prove me wrong :cry"

How many games do you think he'll serve