Pounding the Rock: "Which of the Spurs Free Agents are Coming Back"

[BillMc]

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2015/5/11/8583211/spurs-free-agents-kawhi-leonard-danny-green

The various writers of PTR talk about who may or may not return.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not much difference in their opinions on each subject. Fully agree with them.

[Johnny RIngo]

Depressing that we have to break apart the team because of Tony's terrible contract.

[Godbama]

Is no one of the opinion that Green shitting in the playoffs will have a silver lining in terms of cooling some of the outsider interest? At least a lil?
I mean all this sorta talk started with the career season he had, but then he totally went cold and was one of many reasons the Spurs didn't make the cut.
Surely someone's gotta consider that shit.
And is that the performance Danny Green wants as his final statement in a Spurs uni?

as always, lol #holocaust

[spursparker9]

Depressing that we have to break apart the team because of Tony's terrible contract.

What a year for Enrique.

That career year in 2013 seems so long ago.

[Chinook]

His final statement was arguably his best two-way game ever. Do people just blank Game Seven out?

[Raven]

my favourite scenarios:

1: cojo(6), green(10), leonard(max), aldridge(max or close), tiago
tony, manu(min vet), anderson, diaw, timmy(min vet)
+ patty, bonner, ljc

2:cojo(8), green(14), leonard(max), aldridge(max or close), tiago
diaw, anderson, ljc, rookie, rookie, some young scrub shotblocker

[tholdren]

His final statement was arguably his best two-way game ever. Do people just blank Game Seven out?

Shot 60 percent from foul line. And no, no one just ignores games 1 through 6. Played like a bitch

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

my favourite scenarios:

1: cojo(6), green(10), leonard(max), aldridge(max or close), tiago
tony, manu(min vet), anderson, diaw, timmy(min vet)
+ patty, bonner, ljc


:lol

[Raven]

:lol

well i don't see what sense does it make to him to not retire while also not allowing his team to be competitive.. just retire then..

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

well i don't see what sense does it make to him to not retire while also not allowing his team to be competitive.. just retire then..

I doubt the Spurs would enjoy having their next 5 first round picks forfeited and getting a huge fine for making an illegal arrangement.

[EIC]

His final statement was arguably his best two-way game ever. Do people just blank Game Seven out?

Since he shit the bed in Games 1-6, it felt about as flukey as Austin Rivers's Game 4.

[Chinook]

Shot 60 percent from foul line. And no, no one just ignores games 1 through 6. Played like a bitch


Since he shit the bed in Games 1-6, it felt about as flukey as Austin Rivers's Game 4.

I love how people can ignore about 250 games where Green showed how good he was because "It was his last statement that counts" but then they dismiss his final game because, "It's clearly a fluke when you look at the games before that." None of this even considers that Green actually have a few good games in that series. He had two really bad ones which skew the numbers.

[EIC]

I love how people can ignore about 250 games where Green showed how good he was because "It was his last statement that counts" but then they dismiss his final game because, "It's clearly a fluke when you look at the games before that." None of this even considers that Green actually have a few good games in that series. He had two really bad ones which skew the numbers.

I'm doing neither. Green is a good player. He just has a habit of disappearing for long stretches in the playoffs. This was not the first time Green has disappeared for a long stretch, only to re-emerge late in the series. He did it for stretches in the 2013 and 2014 playoffs as well. He plays good D, but on offense he's totally useless if his shot is not falling and he has a habit of going cold in the playoffs for long periods of time. This year was particularly bad, enough by his consistently inconsistent standards.

[Raven]

I doubt the Spurs would enjoy having their next 5 first round picks forfeited and getting a huge fine for making an illegal arrangement.

why would it be illegal lol

[Godbama]

Don't get my post twisted or anything, I'm not saying I feel that way, I'm a Spurs fan, I watched an inordinate amount of the Spurs regular season. It was more me HOPING that some teams might draw further impressions from his overall very rocky series, which would even the odds of us getting him back.

[Chinook]

I'm doing neither. Green is a good player. He just has a habit of disappearing for long stretches in the playoffs. This was not the first time Green has disappeared for a long stretch, only to re-emerge late in the series. He did it for stretches in the 2013 and 2014 playoffs as well. He plays good D, but on offense he's totally useless if his shot is not falling and he has a habit of going cold in the playoffs for long periods of time. This year was particularly bad, enough by his consistently inconsistent standards.

He shot 50 percent or better from three in three of the seven games. The idea that he disappeared in this series is absurd, and completely born of a lack of facts.

His shot is going to be there sometimes and not there other times. That happens as a three-point shooter. But that's not the same thing as "disappearing". He's up in down in the regular season as well.

Again, he went supernova in Game Seven. That's his last statement to the Spurs.

[Chinook]

Don't get my post twisted or anything, I'm not saying I feel that way, I'm a Spurs fan, I watched an inordinate amount of the Spurs regular season. It was more me HOPING that some teams might draw further impressions from his overall very rocky series, which would even the odds of us getting him back.

I think it is possible that teams will hesitate to give him a deal the Spurs wouldn't match, at least right away in the off-season. I think the Knicks will try to get every other big name before going to Danny. I think teams like Orlando or Boston may not consider him a building block. But I think all things considered, he'll get between $8-10 Million a year. If the Spurs can get him on a $40M/5 or $45M/5, that would be awesome for both sides.

[PingPong]

"Hopefully Matt Bonner will return for the minimum because he's awesome."

Marco Belinelli, Cojo, Jeff Ayres and Matt Bonner are the disposable four.

[blizz]

He shot 50 percent or better from three in three of the seven games. The idea that he disappeared in this series is absurd, and completely born of a lack of facts.

His shot is going to be there sometimes and not there other times. That happens as a three-point shooter. But that's not the same thing as "disappearing". He's up in down in the regular season as well.

Again, he went supernova in Game Seven. That's his last statement to the Spurs.

What series did you watch? He was horrible all series except for game 7 where he was "ok". Supernova? Seriously? I don't need stats to quantify what I saw with my own eyes. His shot not falling is one thing, getting burned on D, throwing the ball away and attempting these stupid runners that he was never good at is something else. He played like shit when we needed him not to the most. That's what counts. He has done it before.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

What series did you watch? He was horrible all series except for game 7 where he was "ok". Supernova? Seriously? I don't need stats to quantify what I saw with my own eyes. His shot not falling is one thing, getting burned on D, throwing the ball away and attempting these stupid runners that he was never good at is something else. He played like shit when we needed him not to the most. That's what counts. He has done it before.

Do people actually watch the games they talk about? Danny was the best perimeter defender on the Spurs in the series, with the second best being way out of sight.

[MultiTroll]

Gomez "Hopefully Matt Bonner will return for the minimum because he's awesome."
Was Gomez being sarcastic or?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/Ralph_Wiggum.png
"I'm a blog writer at an Interweb site."


The other two while not as gagging....
Itz: ..Matt Bonner, well I could see Matt come back as the 14th man if the Spurs have room, and I would support this.
Wilco: Bonner for sure,
Thankfully Bruno does no such nonsense. Im assuming this is ST Bruno?

[look_at_g_shred]

His final statement was arguably his best two-way game ever. Do people just blank Game Seven out?

[look_at_g_shred]

Game 7 Danny Green is pretty much Green at his best. That defense was something else!! Dude is a beast on the Defensive end when he's locked in!! Danny Green will be sought by every team in the league. I hope the Spurs can bring him back, if not, we're pretty much the same team from 2010-2011

[Chinook]

What series did you watch? He was horrible all series except for game 7 where he was "ok". Supernova? Seriously? I don't need stats to quantify what I saw with my own eyes. His shot not falling is one thing, getting burned on D, throwing the ball away and attempting these stupid runners that he was never good at is something else. He played like shit when we needed him not to the most. That's what counts. He has done it before.

So much wrong with this...



G

MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS
GmSc
+/-


1
L (-15)
21:31:00
2
11
0.182
1
7
0.143
1
2
0.5
2
1
3
2
1
0
2
0
6
0.8
-9


2
W (+4)
29:26:00
3
6
0.5
3
4
0.75
0
0

0
1
1
2
0
1
0
3
9
7.2
10


3
W (+27)
29:09:00
4
8
0.5
3
6
0.5
0
0

1
5
6
2
3
0
1
1
11
12.2
33


4
L (-9)
28:12:00
0
6
0
0
6
0
0
0

0
2
2
2
0
0
1
1
0
-3.6
-7


5
W (+4)
34:23:00
3
9
0.333
1
5
0.2
2
3
0.667
2
0
2
3
0
0
0
1
9
6.6
-2


6
L (-6)
25:59:00
3
9
0.333
1
5
0.2
0
0

0
0
0
1
1
1
1
2
7
2.5
-1


7
L (-2)
34:54:00
6
12
0.5
3
7
0.429
1
1
1
2
6
8
3
2
5
0
4
16
19.2
4



























Average

29:04:51
3.00
8.71
0.34
1.71
5.71
0.32
0.57
0.86
0.72
1.00
2.14
3.14
2.14
1.00
1.00
0.71
1.71
8.29
6.41
4.00


Per 36

36:00:00
3.72
10.82
0.34
2.13
7.09
0.32
0.71
1.06
0.72
1.24
2.66
3.90
2.66
1.24
1.24
0.89
2.13
10.29
7.96
4.00



Those are Green's stats for the series. Not very good by any means. But he clearly didn't suck the whole series.

[Budkin]

Is no one of the opinion that Green shitting in the playoffs will have a silver lining in terms of cooling some of the outsider interest? At least a lil?
I mean all this sorta talk started with the career season he had, but then he totally went cold and was one of many reasons the Spurs didn't make the cut.
Surely someone's gotta consider that shit.
And is that the performance Danny Green wants as his final statement in a Spurs uni?

as always, lol #holocaust

Thought the same thing as it was happening. He's had slumps before but bounced back. We'll just be able to bring him back cheaper now.

[Big Empty]

Tony will come back healthy next year

[goliath]

:lol
While most people seem to dismiss the idea of Tim signing for the minimum, couldn't the Spurs and Tim do something like this:

What works out best for the Spurs is for Tim (and Manu) to take a vet minimum contract this year to give us space to sign a max FA. The best scenario would be a two year deal with the minimum this year and backload the second year (2 mill year one, 13 mill year two). However, the NBA doesn't allow contracts like that.

But the cap is going to jump next offseason by 20 million or so. So the Spurs and Tim could do this:

Tim signs a 1 year vet min deal, freeing up cap space to go after LMA.

Next year the cap jumps by 20 million or so. Spurs use the cap space from that jump to sign Tim to a 1 year deal with that cap space - 1 year 13 million.

So, in effect, the Spurs sign Tim to a two year 15 million contract with 90% of the money backloaded but do so over two separate contracts.

[EIC]

He shot 50 percent or better from three in three of the seven games. The idea that he disappeared in this series is absurd, and completely born of a lack of facts.

His shot is going to be there sometimes and not there other times. That happens as a three-point shooter. But that's not the same thing as "disappearing". He's up in down in the regular season as well.

Again, he went supernova in Game Seven. That's his last statement to the Spurs.

He went: .182, .750, .500, .000(!), .200, .200, .429.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3988/danny-green

That three-game stretch in Games 4, 5, and 6, he was 2-16 from behind the arc or 12.5%. That's atrocious. Before Game 7, he was 9-33 or 27.27%. Still awful. Even with Game 7 (his third best shooting performance) he shot just 30% from three for the series. He's got blood on his hands, son.

[Chinook]

He went: .182, .750, .500, .500, .000(!), .200, .200, .429.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3988/danny-green

That three-game stretch in Games 4, 5, and 6, he was 2-16 from behind the arc or 12.5%. That's atrocious. Before Game 7, he was 9-33 or 27.27%. Still awful. Even with Game 7 (his third best shooting performance) he shot just 30% from three for the series. He's got blood on his hands, son.

Yeah, no one says he shot well in that series. But he didn't have six bad games like people keep saying he had. He had two bad games, two horrible games and three good games. And that's just shooting. His defense in Games One and Five where there, along with Two, Three and Seven.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Yeah, no one says he shot well in that series. But he didn't have six bad games like people keep saying he had. He had two bad games, two horrible games and three good games. And that's just shooting. His defense in Games One and Five where there, along with Two, Three and Seven.

If you're a 3&D guy and your 3 is not good more than half the time and D is good even less that is saying a lot. He had a couple of good games, especially game 7 but he needs to become a consistent player. He is 27 and if he hasn't developed the necessary skills (defense, shooting, ball handling, rebounding, passing, etc) to be a complete player then he probably won't develop them at all. This is why he is a role player and should be paid accordingly.

[Sean Cagney]

While most people seem to dismiss the idea of Tim signing for the minimum, couldn't the Spurs and Tim do something like this:

What works out best for the Spurs is for Tim (and Manu) to take a vet minimum contract this year to give us space to sign a max FA. The best scenario would be a two year deal with the minimum this year and backload the second year (2 mill year one, 13 mill year two). However, the NBA doesn't allow contracts like that.

But the cap is going to jump next offseason by 20 million or so. So the Spurs and Tim could do this:

Tim signs a 1 year vet min deal, freeing up cap space to go after LMA.

Next year the cap jumps by 20 million or so. Spurs use the cap space from that jump to sign Tim to a 1 year deal with that cap space - 1 year 13 million.

So, in effect, the Spurs sign Tim to a two year 15 million contract with 90% of the money backloaded but do so over two separate contracts.

Tim is not going to sign for the vet minimum, get real. Sorry but there is NO way he signs for that vet minimum. Wishful thinking though.

[pgardn]

Danny is not going to be a consistent offensive performer in the playoffs against teams that understand they need to run him off the line and force him to dribble.


He can be so good on D though. Danny just needs to be put on the floor with the appropriate ball handlers. It really hurt Danny's offensive game even more with Parker basically unable to penetrate.

[Ditty]

Williams-Gone.
Bonner-Hopefully gone.
Ayers-Hopefully gone.
Baynes-Will probably be back.
Joseph-Will probably be back.
Belinelli-50/50-Don't think he will be back.
Leonard-Will be back, max contract.
Green-50/50-I think he will be back.
Manu-Will be back one last season.
Duncan-Will be back one last season.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

While most people seem to dismiss the idea of Tim signing for the minimum, couldn't the Spurs and Tim do something like this:

What works out best for the Spurs is for Tim (and Manu) to take a vet minimum contract this year to give us space to sign a max FA. The best scenario would be a two year deal with the minimum this year and backload the second year (2 mill year one, 13 mill year two). However, the NBA doesn't allow contracts like that.

But the cap is going to jump next offseason by 20 million or so. So the Spurs and Tim could do this:

Tim signs a 1 year vet min deal, freeing up cap space to go after LMA.

Next year the cap jumps by 20 million or so. Spurs use the cap space from that jump to sign Tim to a 1 year deal with that cap space - 1 year 13 million.

So, in effect, the Spurs sign Tim to a two year 15 million contract with 90% of the money backloaded but do so over two separate contracts.

Google Joe Smith, Minnesota to see what happens when teams do exactly this sort of thing.

[goliath]

Google Joe Smith, Minnesota to see what happens when teams do exactly this sort of thing.
Problem with joe smith is that the timberwolves had it in writing, that's how they got caught. This is more like Lebron signing a deal with a two year opt out so he can resign with the cavs for the new max when the cap goes up.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Problem with joe smith is that the timberwolves had it in writing, that's how they got caught. This is more like Lebron signing a deal with a two year opt out so he can resign with the cavs for the new max when the cap goes up.

LeBron signed for the max, albeit for a shorter period of time, which is also favoring him, not the Cavs. Duncan is an all-NBA player and even at $10 mil per he'd be a hometown discount.

[EIC]

Danny is not going to be a consistent offensive performer in the playoffs against teams that understand they need to run him off the line and force him to dribble.


He can be so good on D though. Danny just needs to be put on the floor with the appropriate ball handlers. It really hurt Danny's offensive game even more with Parker basically unable to penetrate.

My beef with Danny is that he's developed zero dribble-drivability. Redick is probably a pedophile, but at least he didn't settle for being a catch-and-shoot 3-point specialist.

[Sean Cagney]

LeBron signed for the max, albeit for a shorter period of time, which is also favoring him, not the Cavs. Duncan is an all-NBA player and even at $10 mil per he'd be a hometown discount.

Yep, no way Tim plays for the vet minimum as that would be insulting to offer a hof all star who plays at his level that contact. Tim would laugh at you honestly.

[Chinook]

If you're a 3&D guy and your 3 is not good more than half the time and D is good even less that is saying a lot. He had a couple of good games, especially game 7 but he needs to become a consistent player. He is 27 and if he hasn't developed the necessary skills (defense, shooting, ball handling, rebounding, passing, etc) to be a complete player then he probably won't develop them at all. This is why he is a role player and should be paid accordingly.

He play fine D for the series except for a stretch of Game Six. That's more consistent than any other Spur in that series except Splitter, who was too hurt for his consistent D to be obvious. That you keep dismissing Games Two and Three is just silly, especially Game Three, where Green was pretty much anchoring the Spurs' D that whole game. I don't think you really remember the series, but you're already committed to the idea that Green choked, so you're like, "Screw it, let's just keep going."

The biggest issue is that you don't know what role-player money is and how much elite role-players get paid.

[ceperez]

Williams-Gone.
Bonner-Hopefully gone.
Ayers-Hopefully gone.
Baynes-Will probably be back.
Joseph-Will probably be back.
Belinelli-50/50-Don't think he will be back.
Leonard-Will be back, max contract.
Green-50/50-I think he will be back.
Manu-Will be back one last season.
Duncan-Will be back one last season.

Ayres is most likely to be gone. Not sure about Cojo though. Bonner like is back due to how cheap his contract is.

Speaking about free agents, here are some interesting role player free agents:

Teletovic
Alan Anderson
Dunleavy
Tristan Thompson
Mozgov
Aminu
Tyson Chandler
Darrel Arthur
Dramon Green
Marreese Speights
KJ McDaniels
Roy Hilbert
Luis Scola
David West
DeAndre Jordan
Jeff Green
Kosta Koufos
Khris Middleton
Gary Neal
Alexis Ajinca
Omer Asik
Jimmer Fredette
Enes Kanter
Arron Afflalo
Robin Lopez
Wes Matthews
Paul Pierce

[venitian navigator]

Williams-Gone.
Bonner-Hopefully gone.
Ayers-Hopefully gone.
Baynes-Will probably be back.
Joseph-Will probably be back.
Belinelli-50/50-Don't think he will be back.
Leonard-Will be back, max contract.
Green-50/50-I think he will be back.
Manu-Will be back one last season.
Duncan-Will be back one last season.

I agree