Haters - #9 Will on day hang from the Spurs' rafters

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Will you still be here bashing our former Finals MVP? Other coaches say Tony Parker is the head of the Spurs snake. They are smart. You are dumb. Tony Parker will be training all summer. You bashers are so fat, you haven't seen your dingalings since the 1980's. You'll spend your summer drinking lite beer and farming in a lawn chair watching your wives graze in the backyard.

[100%duncan]

Wow very exact details. Thanks for sharing your life scrah

[AFBlue]

Agree his # will hang from the rafters...top-5 Spurs player all-time tbqh.

[Russ]

Agree his # will hang from the rafters...top-5 Spurs player all-time tbqh.

Also in the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, Mass. :)

[FromWayDowntown]

Should be interesting when Spurs fans are left to wish that their team had a hall-of-fame point guard (or even an all-star one) running the show.

Actually, that will be like most of the 90's . . . .

[TheGoldStandard]

Should be interesting when Spurs fans are left to wish that their team had a hall-of-fame point guard (or even an all-star one) running the show.

Actually, that will be like most of the 90's . . . .
Think we are already hoping for that.

[baseline bum]

No doubt Parker is a franchise legend and there's a lot of revisionist history being written about him nowadays here, but I suspect he is done. You could see the decline really starting in 2013-14, and for 2014-15 he was terrible except for in March. I don't think he's ever going to be worth that extension again.

[Clipper Nation]

Big whoop, you retired Avery's number too :lol

[RD2191]

Big whoop, you retired Avery's number too :lol

[K...]

Big whoop, you retired Avery's number too :lol

Classy move.Avery is up there not for basketball, but being a spurs guy. Dude was the face of the franchise. Back then, in the era of 4 down no one really cared about pg. If one or two championships are what makes you happy then absolutely, we could have continued to sign over the hill veterans to be pg. Bogans, for life. Instead pop lucked into the perfect systems guy.


I'm hoping that proper tanking/trading can get us a good pg, because if not I don't see any appealing replacement. Calling Parker disgusting or similar is immature. First it's a dumb insult for a professional, second it's water under the bridge hindsight kind of thing


The whole thing

[FkLA]

He's a fraud that only showed up against bad defensive teams/weak opponents...


What a fucking cancer - those percentages come playoff time is nauseating.

2002 playoffs:

4-11 (36%) vs Sonics LOSS
6-18 (33%) vs Sonics LOSS
5-14 (35%) vs Lakers LOSS
6-15 (40%) vs Lakers LOSS

2003 playoffs:

2-13 (15%) vs Suns LOSS
1-8 (12%) vs Lakers LOSS
6-17 (35%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-18 (38%) vs Lakers LOSS
3-11 (27%) vs Mavs LOSS
1-12 (8%) vs Nets LOSS

2004 playoffs:

4-12 (33%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-18 (38%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-23 (30%) vs Lakers LOSS
4-18 (22%) vs Lakers LOSS

Had to stop after 2004 - too exhausting/depressing looking at all those shitty shooting numbers from Enrique.


2015 vs LAC
10.9 PPG, 33/91 shooting (36%)

2014 NBA Finals vs MIA
Games 3-5 - 16.7 PPG, 19/43 shooting (44% shooting)


2014 WCF vs OKC
Games 3-6 - 10.8 PPG, 20/44 shooting (45%)

2013 NBA Finals vs MIA
Game 6 - 19 pts, 6/23 shooting (26%)
Game 7 - 10 pts, 3/12 shooting (25%)

2012 WCF vs OKC
Games 3-5 - 16 PPG, 16/41 shooting (39%)
Game 7 - 29 pts, 12/27 shooting (44%)


I didn't even bother to go back to getting outplayed by Mike Conley Jr in '11, or getting terrorized by Buh-buh-buh-billups, or the Lakers, or Speedy Claxton having to bail him out, or Steve Kerr, etc etc. :rollin

[SASdynasty!]

He's a fraud that only showed up against bad defensive teams/weak opponents...

What a fucking cancer - those percentages come playoff time is nauseating.

2002 playoffs:

4-11 (36%) vs Sonics LOSS
6-18 (33%) vs Sonics LOSS
5-14 (35%) vs Lakers LOSS
6-15 (40%) vs Lakers LOSS

2003 playoffs:

2-13 (15%) vs Suns LOSS
1-8 (12%) vs Lakers LOSS
6-17 (35%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-18 (38%) vs Lakers LOSS
3-11 (27%) vs Mavs LOSS
1-12 (8%) vs Nets LOSS

2004 playoffs:

4-12 (33%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-18 (38%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-23 (30%) vs Lakers LOSS
4-18 (22%) vs Lakers LOSS



Wow, news flash: players have good games and bad ones! I'll go ahead and post some other games from the same playoff runs:

2002 playoffs:

9-12 (75%) vs Sonics WIN
10-15 (67%) vs Sonics WIN

2003 playoffs:

12-21 (57%) vs Suns WIN
5-9 (56%) vs Lakers WIN
8-16 (50%) vs Lakers WIN
6-11 (55%) vs Mavs WIN
13-23 (56%) vs Mavs WIN

2004 playoffs:

11-20 (55%) vs Grizzlies WIN
5-10 (50%) vs Grizzlies WIN
9-15 (60%) vs Grizzlies WIN
13-23 (57%) vs Lakers WIN

[Dex]

This narrative has really grown stale, tbh.

[cd98]

No doubt Parker is a franchise legend and there's a lot of revisionist history being written about him nowadays here, but I suspect he is done. You could see the decline really starting in 2013-14, and for 2014-15 he was terrible except for in March. I don't think he's ever going to be worth that extension again.

Man, I don't know. I've written off he and Manu at times, and been proven wrong. I think his tendency to get injured is a bad sign, but I think if he can stay healthy (and probably have more rest than in the past), he could definitely have a rebound year. He doesn't have to be what he was, he just needs to be 75% and that would have been good enough to beat the Clippers this year.

[baseline bum]

Man, I don't know. I've written off he and Manu at times, and been proven wrong. I think his tendency to get injured is a bad sign, but I think if he can stay healthy (and probably have more rest than in the past), he could definitely have a rebound year. He doesn't have to be what he was, he just needs to be 75% and that would have been good enough to beat the Clippers this year.

If he was 75% of 2013 Parker the Spurs repeat. That was two years ago though, and now he's 32. Look at how similar players whose game was based on speed have looked at that age: Isiah Thomas, Allen Iverson, Rod Strickland, Kevin Johnson. I don't think that Tony Parker from 2003-2013 or anything resembling that player is ever coming back.

[Sean Cagney]

No doubt Parker is a franchise legend and there's a lot of revisionist history being written about him nowadays here, but I suspect he is done. You could see the decline really starting in 2013-14, and for 2014-15 he was terrible except for in March. I don't think he's ever going to be worth that extension again.

Thats true.

[Sean Cagney]

Big whoop, you retired Avery's number too :lol

With all due respect Tony has had alot better of a career than Avery Johnson had.

[BillMc]

Also in the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, Mass. :)

And it will be well deserved. :lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If he was 75% of 2013 Parker the Spurs repeat. That was two years ago though, and now he's 32. Look at how similar players whose game was based on speed have looked at that age: Isiah Thomas, Allen Iverson, Rod Strickland, Kevin Johnson. I don't think that Tony Parker from 2003-2013 or anything resembling that player is ever coming back.

I agree with you. I think it's hard for a point guard like Tony who's always been so reliant on his speed to be successful to still be effective when he suddenly becomes 'average' in terms of quickness. He's never been a great defender, not a great creator for others, not much of an outside shooter...without that speed and ability to finish he's lost most of his game.

Now if he can a) recreate himself a little bit and adapt to his aging process, and b) work himself into phenomenal shape and remold his body aka Tim Duncan, then I think he could come back at 75% of 2013 Tony Parker. Those are a couple of big ifs, and I don't know if he has the same passion for the game at this point in his career as Tim had when his game and body needed to be modified. Plus, Tim's a post and his game never was as dependent on quickness as Tony's is.

Tony's the best point guard the Spurs have ever had (James Silas is #2). All the hate around here for him is sad considering everything he's given the Spurs. His number won't only be in the rafters but he'll be in the HOF.

[spurs10]

Wow, news flash: players have good games and bad ones! I'll go ahead and post some other games from the same playoff runs:

2002 playoffs:

9-12 (75%) vs Sonics WIN
10-15 (67%) vs Sonics WIN

2003 playoffs:

12-21 (57%) vs Suns WIN
5-9 (56%) vs Lakers WIN
8-16 (50%) vs Lakers WIN
6-11 (55%) vs Mavs WIN
13-23 (56%) vs Mavs WIN

2004 playoffs:

11-20 (55%) vs Grizzlies WIN
5-10 (50%) vs Grizzlies WIN
9-15 (60%) vs Grizzlies WIN
13-23 (57%) vs Lakers WIN Right on!

[Silver&Black]

This narrative has really grown stale, tbh.

[spurs10]

I agree with you. I think it's hard for a point guard like Tony who's always been so reliant on his speed to be successful to still be effective when he suddenly becomes 'average' in terms of quickness. He's never been a great defender, not a great creator for others, not much of an outside shooter...without that speed and ability to finish he's lost most of his game.

Now if he can a) recreate himself a little bit and adapt to his aging process, and b) work himself into phenomenal shape and remold his body aka Tim Duncan, then I think he could come back at 75% of 2013 Tony Parker. Those are a couple of big ifs, and I don't know if he has the same passion for the game at this point in his career as Tim had when his game and body needed to be modified. Plus, Tim's a post and his game never was as dependent on quickness as Tony's is.

Tony's the best point guard the Spurs have ever had (James Silas is #2). All the hate around here for him is sad considering everything he's given the Spurs. His number won't only be in the rafters but he'll be in the HOF. This is the most spot-on and meaningful post I have read on here in some time! Thank you, couldn't agree more. Tony Parker could walk away today and have a HOF career. Time will tell if he has the "passion for the game at this point in his career as Tim Duncan." Heavy stuff El Chopper! :bobo

[Seventyniner]

Should be interesting when Spurs fans are left to wish that their team had a hall-of-fame point guard (or even an all-star one) running the show.

Actually, that will be like most of the 90's . . . .

Also, people were calling Duncan done after 2011. Is Parker done now? Maybe, but he's at the very least going to play out his contract so we'll get to find out for better or worse.

[Gervin44Silas13]

Man alot hate for this poor little french man...lol

[kaji157]

I think what bothers most people here is that when in their primes both Ginobili and Duncan have played better than in the regular season, by NBA standars a player´s prime is between 26 and 32 years old, and Tony´s last two years haven´t been really great.
If you add that to the fact that Manu is 37 and is aging, well, like most 37 yo players except Duncan, then you get that most users were looking up to Tony to pick that slack and that didn´t happen.

[Brazil]

Parker is a HOFer, will retire as a Spur, will have his jersey up there, will the third best Spurs player with Manu career wise when he will retire and don't be surprised if he is somehow part of Spurs FO in the future

must suck to be a Parker hater :lol

[Russ]

If he was 75% of 2013 Parker the Spurs repeat. That was two years ago though, and now he's 32. Look at how similar players whose game was based on speed have looked at that age: Isiah Thomas, Allen Iverson, Rod Strickland, Kevin Johnson. I don't think that Tony Parker from 2003-2013 or anything resembling that player is ever coming back.

I don't think TP's game is based upon sheer atleticism and speed as much as Nate Archibald, Iverson, Strickland, etc.

He's got some Euro-craftiness (like Bobo) thrown in. He gets to the rack as often by clever moves and spins that don't require a ton of explosiveness.

He's also smart and well-schooled in the fundamentals (unlike some American comparators).

So I remain optimistic that his injuries will heal (that they are not irreversible vestiges of age) and that Parker will learn to adjust his game.

As I recall, he still got to the hoop a lot even in that Clipper series when he was hobbled.

[AFBlue]

I don't think TP's game is based upon sheer atleticism and speed as much as Nate Archibald, Iverson, Strickland, etc.

He's got some Euro-craftiness (like Bobo) thrown in. He gets to the rack as often by clever moves and spins that don't require a ton of explosiveness.

He's also smart and well-schooled in the fundamentals (unlike some American comparators).

So I remain optimistic that his injuries will heal (that they are not irreversible vestiges of age) and that Parker will learn to adjust his game.

As I recall, he still got to the hoop a lot even in that Clipper series when he was hobbled.

Agree 100%.

[look_at_g_shred]

This narrative has really grown stale, tbh.

[mkurts]

He just needs to return to Vinny Del Negro level, nothing fancy.

[dabom]

mkurts is on a roll tonight. Lol