Is Tony Parker a top 5 PG of all time?

[Mitch]

When looking at accomplishments and records, there was no other PG outside of Magic Johnson that was a lock for the HOF at age 32 like Parker. Now there is no doubt the media will have him as a top ten PG of all time when it's all set and done for his accomplishments, I thought to myself, could he potentially be top five? Think about it, who out there could be greater? Sure you have Magic, Nash and Oscar Robertson. But after that? It's a crap shoot. Unless CPIII wins, he will forever be known as the equivalent of John Stockton. Jason Kidd and Gary Payton? Sure they had more talent, but will always be remembered as coat-tailing to their first ring on stacked teams. Bob Cousey will not be known in twenty years by virtually everyone. Parker's accomplishments, although may be over-blown by casual fans and the media, will be what most remember, whether you like it or not.



So when it's all set and done, I could easily see the top five PG's of all time looking like:
Magic, Big O, Isiah Thomas, Nash, TP... and no one would have a problem with that... except cry baby Spurfans... but who cares?

Lets face it.. Manu was the Alpha over Parker for a long time... sadly... he didn't get the recognition for it and nobody will ever remember that outside of Spursfans...

So.. TP top five PG of all time... nice ring to it. As long as you're not a player-fan and a Spurs fan.. you should be able to celebrate the greatness of the Big 3.

[DMC]

Accomplishments sure, but then his game has not evolved to compensate for the deterioration of his skillset. Instead he's made that deterioration painfully obvious. I've seen a two legged dog adapt to it's handicap just fine. Tony cannot even adapt to 10lb weight gain.

[FkLA]

Maybe Top 20. Not Top 15. Definitely not Top 5.

:lol No Lyfe Scrub's takes

[timtonymanu]

Maybe Top 20. Not Top 15. Definitely not Top 5.

:lol No Lyfe Scrub's takes

[Spur-Addict]

This dude has like 30 accounts.

[Mitch]

This dude has like 30 accounts.

Haven't you heard? This website is 3-4 people with 1000 accounts between them talking to eachother.

[Lakers999]

def not top 5?? in terms of accomplishments. I think personal stats value more than just accomplishments. I mean Stockton never won anything but hes def top 5

1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Isiah Thomas
4. John Stockton
5. Bob Cousy


honarbles before Parker... , Kevin Johnson, Gary Payton, Walt Frazier. etc... Parker may be 10 or 11

[Infinite_limit]

Parker vs Billups

[ambchang]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248291&page=2&p=8007529&viewfull=1#post8007529

What I posted upstairs:
PGs I will take over Parker (in no particular order)

Magic
Oscar
Isiah Thomas
Stockton
Kidd
Nash
Payton
Iverson (I still count him as a point)
Derek Harper
Walt Frazier
Mark Price
Jerry West
Chris Paul
Dennis Johnson
Maurice Cheeks
Kevin Johnson

Maybes:
Billups
Terry Porter
Lenny Wilkens
Sidney Moncrief
Tim Hardaway

Too old to judge:
Cousy
Sam Jones

Too early to tell:
Steph Curry
Mike Conley (a seriously underrated player)
Westbrook

Probably not:
Cassell
Tiny Archibald
Doc Rivers
Anfernee Hardaway (too injured, but definitely if he had a longer prime)
Terrell Brandon (Huge fan of his, but his game would translate horribly in today's game).

[Lakers999]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248291&page=2&p=8007529&viewfull=1#post8007529

What I posted upstairs:
PGs I will take over Parker (in no particular order)

Magic
Oscar
Isiah Thomas
Stockton
Kidd
Nash
Payton
Iverson (I still count him as a point)
Derek Harper
Walt Frazier
Mark Price
Jerry West
Chris Paul
Dennis Johnson
Maurice Cheeks
Kevin Johnson

Maybes:
Billups
Terry Porter
Lenny Wilkens
Sidney Moncrief
Tim Hardaway

Too old to judge:
Cousy
Sam Jones

Too early to tell:
Steph Curry
Mike Conley (a seriously underrated player)
Westbrook

Probably not:
Cassell
Tiny Archibald
Doc Rivers
Anfernee Hardaway (too injured, but definitely if he had a longer prime)
Terrell Brandon (Huge fan of his, but his game would translate horribly in today's game).

although he played both positions Jerry was More of a shooting guard than a point.

[DMC]

All that and a 2.00 will get you a grande Pike's at SB. We have Tony, we have 5 rings and 4 with Tony. That's all that matters. The future doesn't look that great but it didn't look that great in 2010 either.

[Brazil]

:lol as usual... are we talking about the better player, the better career, at peak, team / individual accomplishments etc etc

[Spur-Addict]

Like I said in the duplicate thread upstairs. It's threads like this that make you realize how great Duncan is.

[Infinite_limit]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248291&page=2&p=8007529&viewfull=1#post8007529

What I posted upstairs:
PGs I will take over Parker (in no particular order)

Magic
Oscar
Isiah Thomas
Stockton
Kidd
Nash
Payton
Iverson (I still count him as a point)
Derek Harper
Walt Frazier
Mark Price
Jerry West
Chris Paul
Dennis Johnson
Maurice Cheeks
Kevin Johnson

Maybes:
Billups
Terry Porter
Lenny Wilkens
Sidney Moncrief
Tim Hardaway

Too old to judge:
Cousy
Sam Jones

Too early to tell:
Steph Curry
Mike Conley (a seriously underrated player)
Westbrook

Probably not:
Cassell
Tiny Archibald
Doc Rivers
Anfernee Hardaway (too injured, but definitely if he had a longer prime)
Terrell Brandon (Huge fan of his, but his game would translate horribly in today's game).
Dwayne Harper? Aware me

I'd move Tim Hardaway up a Tier.

Rod Strickland belongs somewhere in there

[FkLA]

Parker vs Billups

Billups bullied him in the '05 Finals despite being guarded by Bowen for long stretches.

[spurraider21]

parker at his absolute peak was the top PG in the game. the problem is, prime Tony aka MVParker only lasted for around 1.5 seasons

there have been many other PG's who have held the "top pg in the game" title for much longer stints than that, including stockton and cp3. if you're starting a team from scratch, and you can choose between Chris Paul and TP, its an easy pick. as much as we rag on Paul for his playoffs, you can build a team around him, and he's been elite for nearly a decade now. parker can be a very good 2-3 option for the duration of his career, with about a 2 year window of being a guy who can be built around

[HI-FI]

fuck no. one of the top coattail riding PGs though.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

You boys may have made me the most famous poster of all time :lol

30 accounts but this account was validated the last day ever accounts were validated. I'm in your boys heads :lol...

Keep debating :toast

[DMC]

Get a tattoo "most famous poster of all time on ST" across your back.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Get a tattoo "most famous poster of all time on ST" across your back.

As long as you don't do it and fuck it up with your sausage fingers.

[Spur-Addict]

If ST was a bathroom, you'd be the toilet water. You get shat on daily, but you keep coming back.

[ambchang]

Dwayne Harper? Aware me

I'd move Tim Hardaway up a Tier.

Rod Strickland belongs somewhere in there

You mean Derek Harper? I think he's the best non all-star of all time. Things didn't break his way, and he just so happens to play in the same era as Magic and Stockton.

As for Hardaway, I am split on him. He was great with Run TMC, but that was part of the system. His time with the Heat brought the franchise success, but he was ultimately a shameless chucker.

As for Stickland, talented but wild. Spurs fans know all about it. He's sort of the PG version of JR Smith (not that bad), very talented, but makes the dumbest mistakes.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

If ST was a bathroom, you'd be the toilet water. You get shat on daily, but you keep coming back.

I wouldn't throw an interception on the 1, though..

[FkLA]

parker at his absolute peak was the top PG in the game. the problem is, prime Tony aka MVParker only lasted for around 1.5 seasons

there have been many other PG's who have held the "top pg in the game" title for much longer stints than that, including stockton and cp3. if you're starting a team from scratch, and you can choose between Chris Paul and TP, its an easy pick. as much as we rag on Paul for his playoffs, you can build a team around him, and he's been elite for nearly a decade now. parker can be a very good 2-3 option for the duration of his career, with about a 2 year window of being a guy who can be built around

12-13 Parker was awesome but I don't think its unanimous that he was the best PG in the game. The competition was pretty watered down...Rose injured, DWill got fat, guys like Curry/Chimpbrook/Conley were barely on the rise. CP3 was really his only legit competition and he finished higher in MVP voting and he's just a better player as you said.

[ElNono]

To be fair, I think Tony has been underrated most of his career, tbh... that said, not top 5...

[Spur-Addict]

I wouldn't throw an interception on the 1, though..

You wouldn't win a Super Bowl either, though.

[DMC]

As long as you don't do it and fuck it up with your sausage fingers.

Awful catty today aren't ya

[TDfan2007]

This was just a horrible take from upstairs. Manu is closer to top 5 SG status than Tony is to top 5 PG status. As someone mentioned earlier, Tony has only been transcendentally good for 2 or 3 seasons in his career. That won't cut it if we're talking about GOAT status. Plus when you factor in that he's been a poor playoff performer (almost all of his numbers go down) for most of his career, it becomes even harder to make a case for him.

[midnightpulp]

Not even close to a top 5 PG. No metric on Earth supports the idea that TP is anything but an "average" star player, in the vein of Walter Davis or Jeff Teague. And the only aspect of his game that passes the "eye test" is his penetration and finishing. Other than that, he's been a below average jumpshooter, below average passer, and a way below average defender.

[Franklin]

Parker might be a top 5 PG of his time, but not all time imho. There're too many great PGs that automatically come to your mind before TP when speaking of all time tbh.

[spursparker9]

tbh Enrique definitely had overachieved in his career.

But hell no Top 5 or 10.

Top 20-25 is a reasonable range

[Franklin]

I understand and concur with all the Parker hatred, he's a mediocre defender and play maker, he habitually performs sub par in the playoffs etc... but still like Cully said, you're light 3 without him, tbh.

[FkLA]

I understand and concur with all the Parker hatred, he's a mediocre defender and play maker, he habitually performs sub par in the playoffs etc... but still like Cully said, you're light 3 without him, tbh.

Depends on who you plug in for him. If we simply sub in the back-ups like Vaughn or Beno then sure, but if you put in another $10 mill/yr PG probably not. Scoring PGs with poor courtvision aren't all that rare...he just wasn't an irreplaceable player like Timmy or Manu.

Speedy/Kerr had to bail him out in '03, Barry in '05 and CoJo/Patty in '14. It was never really a Big Three tbh.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol coatrider top5 pg ever?

[100%duncan]

I understand and concur with all the Parker hatred, he's a mediocre defender and play maker, he habitually performs sub par in the playoffs etc... but still like Cully said, you're light 3 without him, tbh.
If we had cp3/nash/kidd/conley we would have more than 5

[Mitch]

If we had cp3/nash/kidd/conley we would have more than 5

You're a pinoy, 100%, how has your people reacted to the fight? They eating up that shoulder excuse and using dodgy scoring to score the fight in Pacs favor?

[100%duncan]

You're a pinoy, 100%, how has your people reacted to the fight? They eating up that shoulder excuse and using dodgy scoring to score the fight in Pacs favor?
Yes, my facebook has bren unbearable for 2 weeks now.

[100%duncan]

Oops

[Mitch]

Yes, my facebook has bren unbearable for 2 weeks now.

Sorry to hear that, buddy. So is Manny political career serious or is he just there for show?

[100%duncan]

Sorry to hear that, buddy. So is Manny political career serious or is he just there for show?

Idk man, he's a congressman of a poor province, illiterate people etc. People seem to have realized that he shouldnt be in politics although that wont stop him from running for senator in 2016.

[Mitch]

Idk man, he's a congressman of a poor province, illiterate people etc. People seem to have realized that he shouldnt be in politics although that wont stop him from running for senator in 2016.

Prepare for him to be president, then. He'll challenge Hilary to a boxing match.

[100%duncan]

Prepare for him to be president, then. He'll challenge Hilary to a boxing match.
If that happens then im going to get the fuck outta here :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

only a wanker thinks this clown is top5

nothing more then a coatrider right time and right place opportunists who still needs the backup pg to bail out his ass in elimination games when everything is on the line, this clown is nowhere to be seen

wasting duncans prime years offensive game, watching this clown dribbling and floaters always the same reportoire of moves nothing new....