Can TP regain his form or at least get back to respectability?

[SpurPadre]

Not intended to be a TP-bashing thread. But here's another article that discusses the TP declining issue:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2468882-can-tony-parker-return-to-top-form-for-san-antonio-spurs-in-2015-16?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=san-antonio-spurs

[Dex]

I'm not writing Tony off yet. He is still a great player when he is actually healthy. The main concern, imo, is that he has been unable to stay that way...well, really since the Portland series of the 2014 Playoffs.

Next season could define exactly how much career Parker has left.

[celldweller]

He just needs to start taking seriously his diet and conditioning during the off season. Yea, he's been getting a little chunky lately. You would think he would follow Tim's off-season conditioning example and not Diaw's. :(

[ducks]

has his own court at house
shot very well from three tell his leg issues
pop is thrilled with tp plan this offseason

[ThaBigFundamental21]

He just needs to start taking seriously his diet and conditioning during the off season. Yea, he's been getting a little chunky lately. You would think he would follow Tim's off-season conditioning example and not Diaw's. :(

I was basically going to post the exact thing. He needs to decide if playing is important to him. If so some changes need to be made.

[Taking it to the Hole]

He is going to have to regain his form or the Spurs are looking at another first round exit. People love to give TP a hard time about his weight but that was only part of the issue this season. His poor decision making in running the offense is what alarmed me even more ,so in addition to physical conditioning his body and diet, he has to regain that focus that put him in the elite pg category in previous years. It just depends on how much he still has left in the tank and how much he still wants to win? I have never questioned Tim's or Manu's desire to win, but with Tony it is a different story.

[weeks]

i sure hope so, otherwise we're pretty fucked.
i don't expect MVP level parker again, just someone who is starter-level and can run the offense intelligently

[ducks]

having a healthy splitter who sets the best picks thru trainging camp and all season including playoffs would really help tp

[z0sa]

If he's healthy, he'll be playing fine.

[Twisted_Dawg]

He needs to lose 15+ pounds and get on a serious weight lifting regime for his legs. He has to get real serious on his diet and exercise. He has to be embarrassed about how badly he played, how his game has declined and has to hear the catcalls of Phoney Parker, Tony Porker, Fat French Fuck.

[coachmac87]

TP clearly has heard the "he's done" chatter. He's motivated to be in the best shape of his laugh..pop is excited about it. But time will tell how his body responds.

The main thing tho he doesn't need to be All NBA Point Guard. He just needs to be more than a 10ppg 3ast shooting 35%. I think he will be good enough for the Spurs..but offseason moves palsy a factor too

[thispego]

Parker makes terrible decisions with the ball. That has NOTHING to do with whatever alleged "injuries" he was dealing within the post season

[Johnny RIngo]

Nah. He's a point guard that's never been a good shooter or playmaker and has always relied on his speed in order to be effective. This isn't an injury related issue. It's the typical decline you see with these types of point guards when they hit their early 30s. TP's low bball IQ makes this even more problematic since he seems unable to adjust his game in order to accommodate for his physical shortcomings. He's the Kobe Bryant of the Spurs unfortunately - narcissistic chucker that's holding the team back with his albatross contract and negative impact on the court.

We should be thankful we had two legends that were able to have remarkable longevity in Tim and Manu. They're just on another tier compared to poor Tony.

[RD2191]

Don't even matter if he gets "healthy" again, tbh. He needs to be willing to pass more and get others involved early. Not chuck and take more shots than Kawhi like he did against the Clips.

[ducks]

yeah terrible point guards through their career end up in the hall of fame:bobo

[thispego]

yeah terrible point guards through their career end up in the hall of fame:bobo

When was he inducted?

[Russ]

I'll bookmark this thread for future reference.

Just like these:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138766

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205615

:)

[Mikeanaro]

No, he is done.

[-21-]

Don't even matter if he gets "healthy" again, tbh. He needs to be willing to pass more and get others involved early. Not chuck and take more shots than Kawhi like he did against the Clips.
There's always hope Rob. :toast

[SpurPadre]

I'll bookmark this thread for future reference.

Just like these:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138766

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205615

:)

If you read the first post, you'd know this wasn't meant to be a TP-bashing thread nor it trying to be bleak about his future. I hope he can turn things around, as do all of us here I'm sure.

[Russ]

If you read the first post, you'd know this wasn't meant to be a TP-bashing thread nor it trying to be bleak about his future. I hope he can turn things around, as do all of us here I'm sure.

You're right. I probably should have responded in another thread.

This thread was relatively responsible.

But still I'm sick of the TP bashing . . .

[MultiTroll]

pop is thrilled with tp plan this offseason
Why wasn't Popped thrilled with tp plan the last 3 offseasons?

[Malik Hairston]

His decline has been progressively severe from 2013 to 2014 to 2015, there's really no reason to believe he'll regain his "form", that player is finished..since the Spurs won't acquire a PG, they're stuck with him, and the hope is that he'll adjust his game and accept his status as a role player..unfortunately, he doesn't really possess the skills of a role playing PG(average passer, average shooter, poor defender)..

[tholdren]

he can, but it seems that he is too stupid to do so. Letting yourself get out of shape = injuries. Complaining of injuries, then playing during the summer.... loyalty should be with SA especially after they overpaid for him.

[HI-FI]

he can, but it seems that he is too stupid to do so. Letting yourself get out of shape = injuries. Complaining of injuries, then playing during the summer.... loyalty should be with SA especially after they overpaid for him.
I kind of want him to play for France this summer, just to see the shitstorm on here :lol
if Parker has any decency he won't and heal up or improve his game instead.
just not sure if his BBIQ or court vision can get better, let's hope.

[apalisoc_9]

Let him play for France..Maybe after playing with France he will require rest in RS...I'd be fine with that.

[cd98]

Man, his wife had a baby at the beginning of the season. Those little ones drain you. Especially the first one. He probably had some late nights and it made him tired and he got a little out of condition. He also missed a lot of time due to injury and couldn't run and stay in shape. Tony is competitive. He's not going to be happy with his play this season and he'll address it this offseason.

[Ice009]

Man, his wife had a baby at the beginning of the season. Those little ones drain you. Especially the first one. He probably had some late nights and it made him tired and he got a little out of condition. He also missed a lot of time due to injury and couldn't run and stay in shape. Tony is competitive. He's not going to be happy with his play this season and he'll address it this offseason.

Can't people that have the resources TP has (money) get a live in nanny to take care of the baby?

[AFBlue]

Yes.

[Calispursfan11]

If anything, he needs to stop porking Becky and he'll regain focus. It's like when Andre Agassi was porking Brooke Shields, he was terrible. Then after that ended, he got better again.

[Malik Hairston]

Quickly looking at his progressive decline in numbers from his superstar season until his current bench-caliber season:

2012-2013: 23 PER(#2 on the team), 59% TS, .206 WS/48(#1 on the team), 2.7 BPM(#6), 2.6 VORP(#4), shot 67% at the rim
2013 playoffs: 21.5 PER(#1), 52% TS, .152 WS/48(#4), 2.8 BPM(#4), 0.8 VORP(#3), 61% at the rim

2013-2014: 18.9 PER(#4), 55.5% TS, .141 WS/48(#6), -0.5 BPM(worst in the rotation, #9), 0.8 VORP(worst in the rotation, #9), 63% at the rim
2014 playoffs: 15.8 PER(#7), 53% TS, .071 WS/48(#9), -1.2 BPM(#9), 0.1 VORP(#9), 63% at the rim

2014-2015: 15.9 PER(#6), 54% TS, .100 WS/48(#9), -2 BPM(#10), 0 VORP(#10), 60% at the rim
2015 playoffs: 6.4 PER(#9), 39% TS, -0.067 WS/48(#9), -6.5 BPM(#9), -0.2 VORP(#9), 48% at the rim

He probably isn't as bad as he looked in the Clippers series, as it's tough to project a sample size based on a single series(since there's a lot of hot/cold shooting stretches in the playiffs), but his decline has clearly been progressive to the extreme..he had a substantial drop-off from 2013 to 2014, followed by a severe drop-off from 2014 to 2015..

Generally speaking, you don't really see players rebounding from a serious 2-year decline, especially when it's a 32-year old, speed-reliant PG..there are examples like Tim, he looked finished as a star-caliber player earlier in this decade, but he has never been reliant on physical ability, he just needed to adjust his style..

[hooperflash]

Floaters all day!

[kaji157]

Not intended to be a TP-bashing thread. But here's another article that discusses the TP declining issue:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2468882-can-tony-parker-return-to-top-form-for-san-antonio-spurs-in-2015-16?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=san-antonio-spurs

Tim could, Manu could, i think Tony can.

Of course there is the elephant in the building that says "none of the above fell so hard at age 32" but anyways you have to think that TD would approach tony on how to take better care of his body in order for him to be back again on top.

Clearly these last two seasons Tony didn´t prepare well and was and lacked in the physical department to put it slightly.

It is a question mark but i think he can be a top 10 pg again if he wanted to, what bothers me is that he really was never the when either Tim and Manu needed him, while the other two always played above average when for one or another reason Tony failed to deliver.

That should be always be accounted to him, he took a two years vacation (or to play for France) the last two years of Tim Duncan career and that is very disgusting to me.

[cd98]

I think Tony can recover from last season as I think it had more to do with injury than decline. The key to being an effective player on the other side of 30 is to tweak your game to accommodate the loss of athleticism that comes with age. The key is that Parker is still super fast, even if he's lost a step. So he can still be effective getting into the lane. The big thing he needs to develop is a 3 point shot. He's been a good mid range shooter and a finisher in the paint, but he needs to be able to hit the three to create more space, which in turn, helps him get in the lane. Getting in better shape, taking care of his body to avoid injury, and developing a three point shot will make him a high quality point guard for two more seasons, and then he probably diminish to a back up.

[DPG21920]

Spurs just need TP to be an above average player. If healthy I absolutely think he is.

[HankChinaski]

The Achilles injury he has is something that will strip you of lateral movement and it will affect his lift when he jumps. I am not surprised by his drop in his game during the playoffs. Recovering from that during the off season will go a long way with showing a return to form. He does need to transition his game to the 3 pt line more as he ages now and that break neck speed he relied on will break him down faster attempting to play at that pace all the time. He will just be more prone to these kinds of injuries.

His contract does sting but I don't see an instant replacement that does what he does coming in this off season with him gone.

[cd98]

Can't people that have the resources TP has (money) get a live in nanny to take care of the baby?

Maybe, but if you have any kids, especially the first, you don't want to dump the kid off to a stranger if you don't have to. I'm not sure this is the problem, but I could see it being somewhat of a problem. I had a lot of sleepless nights with each of my kids. I can't imagine needing to keep myself in top shape on three hours of sleep at his age.

[FkLA]

Can pigs fly?

[mkurts]

He can't , he's washed up now

[romain.star]

Nah. He's a point guard that's never been a good shooter or playmaker and has always relied on his speed in order to be effective. This isn't an injury related issue. It's the typical decline you see with these types of point guards when they hit their early 30s. TP's low bball IQ makes this even more problematic since he seems unable to adjust his game in order to accommodate for his physical shortcomings. He's the Kobe Bryant of the Spurs unfortunately - narcissistic chucker that's holding the team back with his albatross contract and negative impact on the court.

We should be thankful we had two legends that were able to have remarkable longevity in Tim and Manu. They're just on another tier compared to poor Tony.

so you are saying Parker had speed? Isn't speed supposed to be a positive thing? What the fuck are you trying to say here?

[FkLA]

so you are saying Parker had speed? Isn't speed supposed to be a positive thing? What the fuck are you trying to say here?

Until you lose that speed at age 32 and have no other notable skills to fall back on.

[romain.star]

Until you lose that speed at age 32 and have no other notable skills to fall back on.

Are you trying to imply that Parker had a notable skill on a BB court? After months of well thought takes and solid posts, are you seriously going to turn into a Parker fanboy?

[Spur|n|Austin]

I think he's going to shock a lot of the loud mouths around here next season; he'll be healthy, rested, and playing with a bit of a chip on his shoulder.

[TD 21]

He can probably get back to being a league average starter. Don't underestimate his work ethic and pride. This is a guy who's best seasons came in his 11th and 12th, after he was already highly accomplished.

In addition to a natural decline and injuries, I think he flat out got sloppy the past two years. Probably succumbed to mental and physical fatigue and because he had so little time off, didn't do enough work on his body/game. He also probably thought he and the team were good enough to where he could half ass it and they'd still be elite.

I'm confident he'll have a renewed sense of dedication and motivation this off season. He knows he's at the point now where he needs to do everything aging players in this league do to remain relevant.

[ChumpDumper]

ST wrote off Duncan how many years ago?

lol

[poeticism707]

ST wrote off Duncan how many years ago?

lol

TD is top two all time, second only to Jordan.

TP ain't even top 500.

No comparison.

[ChumpDumper]

TD is top two all time, second only to Jordan.

TP ain't even top 500.

No comparison.Of course there is.

ST has been throwing dirt on one player for five straight years.

Now they want to start in on another because the first one shit all over them so many times for so long.

lol

[DPG21920]

That adds nothing ^. It's a legit concern and you just dismissing things like "lol ST blah blah" doesn't make it not true. Tp has regressed and bottomed out last year. It's a legit concern worth discussing for numerous reasons that go beyond just wanting to shit on TP.

[ChumpDumper]

That adds nothing ^. It's a legit concern and you just dismissing things like "lol ST blah blah" doesn't make it not true. Tp has regressed and bottomed out last year. It's a legit concern worth discussing for numerous reasons that go beyond just wanting to shit on TP.I'm just going by ST history.

ST is really terrible at judging players. Posters are super emo and rarely objective.

Sure players get worse as they age -- I won't listen to ST posters about when any given player is done though. They were wrong in the worst way on the best player in Spurs history.

lol adding

[FkLA]

ST wrote off Duncan how many years ago?

lol

:lol

He's an exception not the rule. For every TD there's hundreds of players that just keep on deteriorating.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

He's an exception not the rule. For every TD there's hundreds of players that just keep on deteriorating.He was right under our noses and ST blew it.

[FkLA]

Yeah, I guess any time a Spurs player shows signs of a major decline we can just assume he'll be fine bc the great GOATcan overcame it.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I guess any time a Spurs player shows signs of a major decline we can just assume he'll be fine bc the great GOATcan overcame it.You can assume ST collectively doesn't know what they are talking about.

[spurs10]

I think he's going to shock a lot of the loud mouths around here next season; he'll be healthy, rested, and playing with a bit of a chip on his shoulder. That's the spirit....hope he gets some rest.

[FkLA]

You can assume ST collectively doesn't know what they are talking about.

Oh ok, they were wrong about Tim GOATcan so that must mean they'll be wrong about Rique too!! BTW seems to me like ST knew what it was talking about when it was calling for Rique's head all season long.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh ok, they were wrong about Tim GOATcan so that must mean they'll be wrong about Rique too!! BTW seems to me like ST knew what it was talking about when it was calling for Rique's head all season long.Not really. ST is really awful. Posters talk out of their asses about everything according to their personal agendas and biases.

[DPG21920]

There's still a lot of good posters that contribute insightful stuff. There is also a lot of people who add nothing of value. But yes, ST isn't perfect and makes wrong predictions sometimes. That's why none of us work at ESPN and get paid because they get it all corre..omg I can't keep that up.

[Malik Hairston]

There's still a lot of good posters that contribute insightful stuff. There is also a lot of people who add nothing of value. But yes, ST isn't perfect and makes wrong predictions sometimes. That's why none of us work at ESPN and get paid because they get it all corre..omg I can't keep that up.

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

There's still a lot of good posters that contribute insightful stuff. Mostly self-important wannabes tbh.

[DPG21920]

Key word "mostly". By default that means there are some good ones. Optimism: pass it along.

[dabom]

Mostly self-important wannabes tbh.

Speaking of self. :lmao

[Malik Hairston]

Speaking of self. :lmao

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Speaking of self. :lmao


:lmaoThere's two.

[RD2191]

Speaking of self. :lmao
:lol make it 3, Chump

[HI-FI]

Speaking of self. :lmao
:lol

[EVAY]

ST wrote off Duncan how many years ago?

lol

A significant difference between Duncan and Parker and their ability to regain elite status after a couple of declining years (and Duncan DID look washed up from about 2010-2012) is that Duncan was able to say 'the ball club belongs to Tony and' MEAN IT. In the 2012-2013 season, he really took some steps back from leading the team and Tony took over the team leadership, not only in scoring and driving the offense, but in on-court directing as well. Duncan stepped back and Tony stepped up. But Tony was ready to do it.

This past year, Tony SAID that the team was Kawhi's team, but when Kawhi couldn't/didn't take over, Parker couldn't take over either.

Parker has to change his role AND his minutes - some of that is determined by coaches. AND Kawhi has to be able and willing to take over the direction and scoring for the team on an every-night basis. This year he could occasionally do it but he couldn't/wouldn't do it consistently. Pop mentioned it at the end-of-the-season presser when asked what Kawhi has to do to improve and his response was "More consistency - he has to bring it offensively and defensively every night".

Parker has to buy into becoming less of a dominant player, but Kawhi has to buy into consistently being the dominant player. Not clear right now if either one of them can pull off the new and required role.

[apalisoc_9]

Pop is such a hypocrite sometimes.

Consistently dominating is always going to be partly about roles. If he gives Kawhi the freedom to do whatever he wants to, he's going to be consistent...but the reality is that, two misses and OK kawhi time to stand in the corner.