What Waco biker shootout suggests about race in America

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The shootout in Waco, Texas, Sunday between two outlaw biker gangs that left nine members dead has led to a controversial question: What if they had been black?

In the immediate aftermath of a shooting that a local police sergeant called "the worst crime scene, the most violent crime scene I have ever been involved in" – and which involved gang members shooting at police – photos show the gang members sitting at their ease, texting, near police officers. Some ask if that would have been the case if the rival gangs had been in some big city, dressed in gang colors and hoodies, having brass-knuckled, stabbed, and shot at each other – and police.

Media coverage has featured little talk about absent fathers or whether subcultures of violence and masculinity are bred in the type of restaurant where the shootout took place, which features waitresses with ample cleavage and barely-there shorts. Would that have been true if it had happened at a hip-hop gathering or an urban strip club?

To many, such attempts to compare the melée in Waco with the civil unrest in Baltimore or New York or Ferguson, Mo., strains reason and evidence. What happened in Waco was in no way a riot. It was a deadly bar fight, plain and simple.

mas: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2015/0520/What-Waco-biker-shootout-suggests-about-race-in-America

[m>s]

America was founded as a white colony, if you hate whites so bad then fuck off and go hang yourself by your dick

[Infinite_limit]

The shootout in Waco, Texas, Sunday between two outlaw biker gangs that left nine members dead has led to a controversial question: What if they had been black?

In the immediate aftermath of a shooting that a local police sergeant called "the worst crime scene, the most violent crime scene I have ever been involved in" – and which involved gang members shooting at police – photos show the gang members sitting at their ease, texting, near police officers. Some ask if that would have been the case if the rival gangs had been in some big city, dressed in gang colors and hoodies, having brass-knuckled, stabbed, and shot at each other – and police.

Media coverage has featured little talk about absent fathers or whether subcultures of violence and masculinity are bred in the type of restaurant where the shootout took place, which features waitresses with ample cleavage and barely-there shorts. Would that have been true if it had happened at a hip-hop gathering or an urban strip club?

To many, such attempts to compare the melée in Waco with the civil unrest in Baltimore or New York or Ferguson, Mo., strains reason and evidence. What happened in Waco was in no way a riot. It was a deadly bar fight, plain and simple.

mas: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2015/0520/What-Waco-biker-shootout-suggests-about-race-in-America
There is no such thing as 50+ year old Black gang mambers. They are all dead or incarcerated

[Winehole23]

America was founded as a white colony...this fact was overtaken by subsequent facts. please catch up.

[CosmicCowboy]

Lets talk about race. If the cops had assassinated 5 blacks fighting each other at Twin Peaks urban infested areas all over the country would be burning down. The usual shake down artists like Sharpton and the media would be screaming that the cops didn't have to shoot them and they targeted them because they were black.

[boutons_deux]

"If the cops had assassinated 5 blacks fighting each other at Twin Peaks urban infested areas all over the country would be burning down"

bullshit.

Blacks don't object to, demonstrate about cops killing armed, dangerous, threatening blacks.

Cops don't GAF about whites, or esp about blacks, killing each other, but don't FUCKING EVER challenge the cops, which is what blacks demonstrating about and against cops executing black kids, unarmed, non-threatening blacks does, challenges the cops.

[unleashbaynes]

it was in the national news for one day :lol it's such a joke because if they were black there would be way more coverage.

[CosmicCowboy]

it was in the national news for one day :lol it's such a joke because if they were black there would be way more coverage.

The coverage would have been about the racist cops shooting the blacks. Eric Holder would have had to call in the Justice Department.

[CosmicCowboy]

If a few Bloods and Crips got in a street fight and the cops started knocking them off with sniper rifles and then moved in and arrested 130 of them (even gang menbers that weren't at the scene at the time) and then put a million dollar bond on all 130 there would have been national outrage and rioting. Damn racist cops.

[m>s]

If a few Bloods and Crips got in a street fight and the cops started knocking them off with sniper rifles and then moved in and arrested 130 of them (even gang menbers that weren't at the scene at the time) and then put a million dollar bond on all 130 there would have been national outrage and rioting. Damn racist cops.
This this this x1000

[Trill Clinton]

welp, looks like the white supremacists ran to this thread and posted their usual bullshit.

[boutons_deux]

If a few Bloods and Crips got in a street fight and the cops started knocking them off with sniper rifles and then moved in and arrested 130 of them (even gang menbers that weren't at the scene at the time) and then put a million dollar bond on all 130 there would have been national outrage and rioting. Damn racist cops.

no one cares about demonstrating about cops against criminals and gangs, other than your racist imagination.

[Trill Clinton]

If a few Bloods and Crips got in a street fight and the cops started knocking them off with sniper rifles and then moved in and arrested 130 of them (even gang menbers that weren't at the scene at the time) and then put a million dollar bond on all 130 there would have been national outrage and rioting. Damn racist cops.


jack, you're almost 65, stop it. you really believe this?

[m>s]

It's just facts brah

[CosmicCowboy]

jack, you're almost 65, stop it. you really believe this?

I certainly do. The more I read this sounds more like an ambush than breaking up a fight. You and Kool would be screaming bloody murder if they had been black. IT's kind of interesting that all but one of the Bikers killed were from the same Cossack club...only one Bandito got capped. One would certainly think the Cossacks weren't fighting each other.

[boutons_deux]

right wing nut policy! :lol

Let’s Get Waco Biker Gangs To Shoot Up The Muslims, How About That?

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/isis-v-bikers.jpg

“Police have their hands full fighting our real enemies, the cartels, the Islamists, and now they’re fighting motorcycle gangs?” Rios asked.

“I find myself thinking, let’s have a little retraining for motorcycle gangs and put them on our side fighting our enemies.

That’s what we really need.”

Read more at http://wonkette.com/586108/lets-get-waco-biker-gangs-to-shoot-up-the-muslims-how-about-that#vKVQ6yOlmUc1eWQO.99

I get the impression police don't have full hands. Tons of them and their squad cars show to beat the shit out of a single black and/or poor person, and mildest fender bender.

[Trill Clinton]

I certainly do. The more I read this sounds more like an ambush than breaking up a fight. You and Kool would be screaming bloody murder if they had been black. IT's kind of interesting that all but one of the Bikers killed were from the same Cossack club...only one Bandito got capped. One would certainly think the Cossacks weren't fighting each other.

when have you heard of protests because some black gang members started a shootout in broad daylight endangering innocent people?

[Trill Clinton]

comparing protests of police brutality to hypothetical protests of armed gang members just sounds so...stupid.

[CosmicCowboy]

when have you heard of protests because some black gang members started a shootout in broad daylight endangering innocent people?

Y'all sure got worked up about that thug in ferguson that robbed that convenience store.

[boutons_deux]

Y'all sure got worked up about that thug in ferguson that robbed that convenience store.

even the shopkeeper said your thug n!gg@ didn't deserve to be executed

[unleashbaynes]

Y'all sure got worked up about that thug in ferguson that robbed that convenience store.

How is that similar in any way?

[unleashbaynes]

oh wait that's the guy that calls toddlers bitches and suggests that a 3 year old might be a hooker. nvm.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol at you guys automatically believing everything the police have said so far about Waco while automatically assuming they were liars in Ferguson just because it was a black that got shot.

[boutons_deux]

:lol at you guys automatically believing everything the police have said so far about Waco while automatically assuming they were liars in Ferguson just because it was a black that got shot.

:lol CC automatically getting EVERYTHING wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

I like when Conspiracy Cowboy shows up.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not claiming a conspiracy.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not claiming a conspiracy.Of course you aren't.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.truthdig.com/images/made/images/cartoonuploads/C05C3883-D776-49D3-8F98-B66D7B2409C9_590_415.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

WACO — As gunfire broke out in the parking lot of a Texas restaurant, dozens of motorcycle riders ran inside seeking cover and tried to guide others to safety, security video reviewed exclusively by The Associated Press showed Wednesday.

The video suggests that Sunday's deadly gunfight began outside the Twin Peaks restaurant, except for one round fired by a biker on the patio who then ran inside.

On the patio, bikers ducked under tables and tried to get inside. At least three people were holding handguns. One biker was seen running with blood on his face, hands and torso.

Before the shooting, the inside of the restaurant appears to be mostly empty. Bikers and other patrons can be seen walking to the windows facing the parking lot where most of the shooting happened.

When gunfire begins at 12:24 p.m., most bikers, other patrons and staff immediately run away from the windows and into the restaurant's interior. At least three people can be seen holding handguns.

One camera angle shows bikers running into the men's bathroom. When there's no space left in the bathroom, they dash toward the kitchen.

Another camera angle, on the far side of the restaurant from the gunfire, shows patrons who are not wearing biker gear crawling behind tables toward the kitchen. At least three bikers appear to be gesturing to have the patrons crawl to safety.

The AP was shown the video by representatives of the Twin Peaks franchise, who have said the fighting began outside the restaurant, not inside as police have said. The franchise has not released the video publicly, citing the ongoing investigation.

None of the nine video angles shows the parking lot.

Only one angle, taken from inside a back office in the restaurant, had audio. At 12:24 p.m., a woman is heard screaming, "Oh my God!" That's followed by multiple cries of "Get back!" Two minutes later, three gunshots are heard. It's not clear who fired.

Video shows police with assault rifles entering the front door at about the same time. As two officers enter, bikers can be seen lying on the floor with their hands spread.

Before the shooting, at least 20 members of the Cossacks biker gang can be seen on the patio. Members of the Scimitars, Boozefighters and Leathernecks can also be seen on the tape. While no Bandidos are immediately visible, police and one member of that biker gang have said some of their members were at the event.

Waco police spokesman Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said police have the video, but he had not seen it and would not discuss its contents.

Authorities on Sunday swept up around 170 bikers who descended on the restaurant. Among those arrested was Theron Rhoten, who had just pulled into the parking lot on his vintage Harley chopper when the bullets started flying.

Rhoten showed up at the Twin Peaks restaurant for a regional motorcycle club meeting. But, according to his wife, he soon found himself in the middle of a deadly shootout involving scores of other bikers.

Katie Rhoten said her husband ran for cover and was later arrested, along with motorcycle-riding friends and other "nonviolent, noncriminal people."

"He's good to his family," she said. "He doesn't drink. He doesn't do drugs. He doesn't party. He's just got a passion for motorcycles."

Police have said that all those arrested were part of criminal motorcycle gangs, but only two of the nine people killed had criminal histories in Texas.

Records show Wayne Lee Campbell was arrested for driving while intoxicated in 2002 in Rowlett in Dallas County and sentenced to probation. In 2007, Campbell was charged with assault in Tarrant County and served 45 days in jail.

In addition, Manuel Isaac Rodriguez was arrested in 2010 and served probation for unlawfully carrying a weapon at a bar in Lewisville.

Police have acknowledged firing on armed bikers, but it is not clear how many of the dead were shot by gang members and how many were shot by officers.

Authorities have said the gathering of five biker groups was to resolve a dispute over turf. Some bikers dispute that, saying the meeting was organized to discuss laws protecting motorcycle riders and other subjects.

Katie Rhoten said her husband, a mechanic from Austin, called her from jail and said that he and two other members of Vise Grip motorcycle club ducked and ran for cover as the violence raged around them.

The arrested bikers have all been charged with engaging in organized crime and each is being held on $1 million bonds.

The eight members of Theron Rhoten's group, the Vise Grip Club, specialize in building and riding vintage and antique motorcycles, particularly pre-1970 Harley Davidson big twin choppers, according to spokesman Brian Buscemi.

Buscemi said the bimonthly meetings have been happening for 18 years.

"Yes, there was a problem at this scene, and it was absolutely horrific," he said. "But there just also happened to be a significant amount of people there who had nothing to do with it."

http://m.yourhoustonnews.com/courier/news/waco-restaurant-video-shows-bikers-others-seeking-cover/article_61b4aafa-d95f-5ac6-9d16-acfd3d117e7a.html?mode=jqm

[CosmicCowboy]

Oh Gee...so it didn't start inside the restaurant like the police said.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh Gee...so it didn't start inside the restaurant like the police said.Conspiracy Cowboy springs into action.

[Ignignokt]

Conspiracy Cowboy springs into action.

Is he stating any conspiracies?

[ChumpDumper]

Is he stating any conspiracies?He says he most certainly is not.

[CosmicCowboy]

Conspiracy Cowboy springs into action.

No conspiracy cowboy here...just reporting the facts...

It was the AP that called bulllshit on the police claim with video to back it up. Do you not consider them credible?


The AP was shown the video by representatives of the Twin Peaks franchise, who have said the fighting began outside the restaurant, not inside as police have said.

[Ignignokt]

He says he most certainly is not.

Yet you're calling him Conspiracy Cowboy, there must be conspiracies he's stating right? Is there?

[ChumpDumper]

No conspiracy cowboy here...just reporting the facts...
Lets talk about race. If the cops had assassinated 5 blacks fighting each other at Twin Peaks urban infested areas all over the country would be burning down. The usual shake down artists like Sharpton and the media would be screaming that the cops didn't have to shoot them and they targeted them because they were black.

I certainly do. The more I read this sounds more like an ambush than breaking up a fight. You and Kool would be screaming bloody murder if they had been black. IT's kind of interesting that all but one of the Bikers killed were from the same Cossack club...only one Bandito got capped. One would certainly think the Cossacks weren't fighting each other.lol assassinated

lol ambush

lol no conspiracy

[ChumpDumper]

Yet you're calling him Conspiracy Cowboy, there must be conspiracies he's stating right? Is there?Of course there isn't.

lol

[CosmicCowboy]

lol assassinated head shots from trained snipers = assassination even if justified

lol ambushed Ambush is just good tactics. Snipers were supposedly firing from pre-incident positions..they were there before the trouble started. The guys that got head shot never knew what hit them.

lol no conspiracy

Arresting and charging 170 eye witnesses and keeping them in jail in $1,000,000 bonds isn't exactly being transparent.

[ChumpDumper]

Arresting and charging 170 eye witnesses and keeping them in jail in $1,000,000 bonds isn't exactly being transparent.Walkback Mountain.

This is why Conspiracy Cowboy is so much fun.

[CosmicCowboy]

After all Chumps snarkiness about the Ferguson Police I never would have had him pegged as a 100% believer and supporter of the Waco Police...guess it's only trendy to care about cops killing black guys.

[CosmicCowboy]

Only walking back here is from the Chumpster.

[ChumpDumper]

After all Chumps snarkiness about the Ferguson Police I never would have had him pegged as a 100% believer and supporter of the Waco Police...guess it's only trendy to care about cops killing black guys.


Only walking back here is from the Chumpster.Quick transition into Cosmic Strawboy.

[ChumpDumper]

head shots from trained snipers = assassination even if justified
Which definition of assassinate are you using?

as·sas·si·nat·edas·sas·si·nat·ing
Full Definition of ASSASSINATE

transitive verb
1
: to injure or destroy unexpectedly and treacherously
2
: to murder (a usually prominent person) by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons

[CosmicCowboy]

So Chump....are you supportive of the fact that they arrested and charged 170 people and are keeping them in jail when it's clear that the majority of them did nothing wrong? Profiling and arresting them for wearing biker clothes is no different than arresting innocent blacks because they are black.

[ChumpDumper]

So Chump....are you supportive of the fact that they arrested and charged 170 people and are keeping them in jail when it's clear that the majority of them did nothing wrong? Profiling and arresting them for wearing biker clothes is no different than arresting innocent blacks because they are black.I already said what I thought of the charges and high bail.

[ChumpDumper]

So Chump....are you supportive of the fact that they arrested and charged 170 people and are keeping them in jail when it's clear that the majority of them did nothing wrong? Profiling and arresting them for wearing biker clothes is no different than arresting innocent blacks because they are black.And wait -- how do you personally know which ones were not carrying weapons inside that restaurant?

Would it be wrong if they were or is that just fine with you?

[CosmicCowboy]

I already said what I thought of the charges and high bail.

Oh really? It's certainly not in this thread. Why don't you state your position?

[ChumpDumper]

Oh really? It's certainly not in this thread. Why don't you state your position?Seriously?

I was replying to you here:

Wouldn't be surprised if that was just a tactic to keep as many of them in custody while everything is being sorted out. My guess is there are a bunch of weekend warriors among the hardcore killers, like the City of Austin engineer dude. I expect the murder charge to be dropped for guys like that, but who knows?
What meds are you on?

[CosmicCowboy]

Seriously?

I was replying to you here:

What meds are you on?

So you would have been OK with the police arresting all the protesters at Ferguson and holding them on a million dollar bond while they "sorted it out" and figured out which ones were doing the looting and burning buildings?

[ChumpDumper]

And I didn't see your answer to this question:
Which definition of assassinate are you using?

as·sas·si·nat·edas·sas·si·nat·ing
Full Definition of ASSASSINATE

transitive verb
1
: to injure or destroy unexpectedly and treacherously
2
: to murder (a usually prominent person) by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons

[ChumpDumper]

So you would have been OK with the police arresting all the protesters at Ferguson and holding them on a million dollar bond while they "sorted it out" and figured out which ones were doing the looting and burning buildings?The looters are the ones with loot.

In Waco, who -- besides you of course -- could tell who exactly had weapons or who was fighting at that moment? My guess is the ones who got on the ground immediately weren't the ones who got killed.

[CosmicCowboy]

Definition #1 is close enough.

[ChumpDumper]

Definition #1 is close enough.So how were the cops being treacherous?

[CosmicCowboy]

In theory I support police and military snipers but everything they do is based on whacking unsuspecting people from a hidden position. It is good tactics but by definition is unexpected and treacherous.

[ChumpDumper]

In theory I support police and military snipers but everything they do is based on whacking unsuspecting people from a hidden position. It is good tactics but by definition is unexpected and treacherous.Where were they hiding in the mall parking lot?

Honest question. I haven't seen anything to indicate their presence was a secret at all.

[CosmicCowboy]

Snipers are trained to shoot from a protected position. It's what they do. If you expect me to deliver specific detailed positioning that information hasn't been released.

[SupremeGuy]

Lets talk about race. If the cops had assassinated 5 blacks fighting each other at Twin Peaks urban infested areas all over the country would be burning down. The usual shake down artists like Sharpton and the media would be screaming that the cops didn't have to shoot them and they targeted them because they were black.This.

The blatant racism from the left is disgusting.

[SupremeGuy]

Conspiracy Cowboy springs into action.


Is he stating any conspiracies?


He says he most certainly is not.That's some weak deflecting, tbh. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Snipers are trained to shoot from a protected position. It's what they do. If you expect me to deliver specific detailed positioning that information hasn't been released.You can't even say what guns were used at this point, but you do go on.


This.

The blatant racism from the left is disgusting.lol faux outrage

[ChumpDumper]

That's some weak deflecting, tbh. :lolIt was sarcasm. CC's conspiracy is pretty clear.

[CosmicCowboy]

As for the bikers being hardened criminals only three of the nine killed had minor criminal records...a DWI, an assault that one served 45 days in jail for, and one for carrying a gun in a bar.

[ChumpDumper]

As for the bikers being hardened criminals only three of the nine killed had minor criminal records...a DWI, an assault that one served 45 days in jail for, and one for carrying a gun in a bar.Well the police found 118 handguns there, so chances are that law was broken a little bit that day.

How many guns did the Ferguson protesters have?

[CosmicCowboy]

It was sarcasm. CC's conspiracy is pretty clear.

Do I think the police got trigger happy? Yes. I suspect when the forensic evidence is finally released they will find that the majority of the fatalities were from police bullets.

Do I think the prosecutor overstepped charging 190 people and setting bail at one million each? Yes. It is wrong to hold innocent people on false charges for days and days while police "sort things out".

Do you seriously disagree with either statement?

[CosmicCowboy]

Well the police found 118 handguns there, so chances are that law was broken a little bit that day.

How many guns did the Ferguson protesters have?

From 1000 down to 118?

Having a handgun in Texas isn't necessarily breaking the law. Most were probably found in vehicles which is legal.

As for the Ferguson protesters...who knows?. They didn't get arrested and sarched.

[ChumpDumper]

Do I think the police got trigger happy? Yes. I suspect when the forensic evidence is finally released they will find that the majority of the fatalities were from police bullets.

Do I think the prosecutor overstepped charging 190 people and setting bail at one million each? Yes. It is wrong to hold innocent people on false charges for days and days while police "sort things out".

Do you seriously disagree with either statement?Walkback Mountain II

This is why it's so fun.

I don't think any bounds were overstepped because we have allowed the bounds to be set out too far in the first place. Police and prosecutors do what we allow them to do. It's good that you are getting on a high horse about it now, I guess -- but this shit has been going on for decades. It just took an incident almost devoid of black people to get some whites riled up about it.

So be it.

[ChumpDumper]

From 1000 down to 118?So 118 is OK with you.


Having a handgun in Texas isn't necessarily breaking the law. Most were probably found in vehicles which is legal.What is this probably shit?


As for the Ferguson protesters...who knows?. They didn't get arrested and sarched.There were about 200 arrests. How many of those arrested had handguns on them?

[CosmicCowboy]

So 118 is OK with you.

I have no problem with responsible people carrying guns

What is this probably shit?

Are you claiming all 118 were guns being carried illegally? 'probably" means some probably were legal carries and some probably weren't. Shouldn't bee too hard of a concept for people of average intelligence to grasp

There were about 200 arrests. How many of those arrested had handguns on them?

probably few if any. Po Po said "weapons" were hidden everywhere

[ChumpDumper]

probably few if any. Po Po said "weapons" were hidden everywhereI'm talking about Ferguson, genius.

But why would those in Waco try to hide their guns if they were legal and law abiding charity workers with cherubic faces and peace in their hearts?

[SupremeGuy]

It was sarcasm. CC's conspiracy is pretty clear.Ok, that's funny. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

lol responsible gun owners trying to flush their guns down toilets and hiding them in bags of chips

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm talking about Ferguson, genius.

But why would those in Waco try to hide their guns if they were legal and law abiding charity workers with cherubic faces and peace in their hearts?

Maybe because they just saw police gun down a half dozen bikers and SWAT was coming in the front door with M16's?

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe because they just saw police gun down a half dozen bikers and SWAT was coming in the front door with M16's?So putting the gun on the ground and assuming a prone position is out of the question? The first instinct of the legal responsible gun owner is to run to the john and flush the gun down the toilet?

lol

[ChumpDumper]

Which gun safety course teaches flushing, CC?

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm talking about Ferguson, genius.

But why would those in Waco try to hide their guns if they were legal and law abiding charity workers with cherubic faces and peace in their hearts?

First 2 out of 3 comments were about Waco and you didn't say you were switching to Ferguson on the third, genius. English is a very specific language and you weren't.

[ChumpDumper]

First 2 out of 3 comments were about Waco and you didn't say you were switching to Ferguson on the third, genius. English is a very specific language and you weren't.You were explicitly commenting about Ferguson. You either lied or were completely ignorant about the number of arrests that were made there.

Now that you know more people were arrested and searched in Ferguson -- do you think more or fewer than 118 guns were discovered in the Ferguson arrests?

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you serious, Chump? I'm not claiming some of these guys weren't guilty of gun violations. Carrying guns where alcohol is served is a no no. I'm sure there were some. That doesn't excuse charging them all with a crime they didn't commit and holding them on a million dollars bail.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you serious, Chump? I'm not claiming some of these guys weren't guilty of gun violations. Carrying guns where alcohol is served is a no no. I'm sure there were some. That doesn't excuse charging them all with a crime they didn't commit and holding them on a million dollars bail.I have yet to see anyone saying the charges or arrests are illegal in any way.

[CosmicCowboy]

I have yet to see anyone saying the charges or arrests are illegal in any way.

:lol

Then let me be the first you hear it from that says some of the arrests were bullshit. Arresting people for the clothes they were wearing is profiling and just as bad as arresting people for the color of their skin.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

Then let me be the first you hear it from that says some of the arrests were bullshit. Arresting people for the clothes they were wearing is profiling and just as bad as arresting people for the color of their skin.Are you saying they were illegal, CC?

Yes or no.

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you saying they were illegal, CC?

Yes or no.

I'm saying some of the people arrested were clearly innocent.

From the AP:


WACO — As gunfire broke out in the parking lot of a Texas restaurant, dozens of motorcycle riders ran inside seeking cover and tried to guide others to safety, security video reviewed exclusively by The Associated Press showed Wednesday.

What law did these people break? The shooting starts and they just want to get away and fled into the restaurant while helping others to safety?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm saying some of the people arrested were clearly innocent.

From the AP:



What law did these people break? The shooting starts and they just want to get away and fled into the restaurant while helping others to safety?Are you saying the arrests and charges were illegal, CC?

Yes or no.

[DarrinS]

Are they burning down Waco now?

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you saying the arrests and charges were illegal, CC?

Yes or no.

I'm saying that many of those arrested and charged that are still in jail on ridiculous bonds were clearly innocent of any wrong doing and the video proves it.... If it's not illegal it should be. I certainly heard the words "illegal arrest" used in the Freddy Gray case where he had apparently committed no crime except running from the police.

[ChumpDumper]

Are they burning down Waco now?Made some threats, but backed down pretty quickly apparently.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm saying that many of those arrested and charged that are still in jail on ridiculous bonds were clearly innocent of any wrong doing and the video proves it.... If it's not illegal it should be. I certainly heard the words "illegal arrest" used in the Freddy Gray case where he had apparently committed no crime except running from the police.So you're not saying the arrests were illegal at all.

[Trill Clinton]

I'm saying some of the people arrested were clearly innocent.

From the AP:



What law did these people break? The shooting starts and they just want to get away and fled into the restaurant while helping others to safety?

awww sweet innocent cossacks and bandido. that thuggish ruggish exterior is a mask for the cuddly teddy bears they are:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

Chump, just admit you are wrong...they aren't all criminals, they shouldn't all still be held in jail and just move on.

[CosmicCowboy]

awww sweet innocent cossacks and bandido. that thuggish ruggish exterior is a mask for the cuddly teddy bears they are:lol

Scared of the big bad bikers Urkel?

[DarrinS]

Made some threats, but backed down pretty quickly apparently.

So, no crowds of angry white people are gathering? I know I don't give one shit about these biker dudes.

[Trill Clinton]

Scared of the big bad bikers Urkel?

not scared of anyone but my parents and God, pedocowboy.

keep defending the thug bikers, though lol

[Trill Clinton]

So, no crowds of angry white people are gathering? I know I don't give one shit about these biker dudes.

why would people gather and protest for armed criminals who turned twin peaks into the OK corral?

[ChumpDumper]

Chump, just admit you are wrong...they aren't all criminals, they shouldn't all still be held in jail and just move on.Wrong about what?

Why resort to straw men, CC?

[ChumpDumper]

Scared of the big bad bikers Urkel?Show up at their next meeting with a 1% patch sewed onto your vest.


So, no crowds of angry white people are gathering? I know I don't give one shit about these biker dudes.So who does? What are you trying to say Darrin?

[DarrinS]

why would people gather and protest for armed criminals who turned twin peaks into the OK corral?

Exactly

[Trill Clinton]

Exactly

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111171941/4416531-7562053115-lPm9H.gif

[ChumpDumper]

CC needs a little primer on the US legal system:
Geoffrey Corn, professor at the South Texas College of Law, joins the Texas Standard to talk about the legal challenges.



How do authorities sift through those who were engaged in organized crime and those who weren't?

"Well it's going to require a careful investigation. At this phase of the process, what they have to establish is probably cause, which is just fair probability that these individuals have committed an offense. Ultimately they're going to have to gather sufficient evidence that they can admit in court, to prove beyond a reasonable doubt whatever [crimes] they allege these individuals committed."

On those who don't seem to fit the profile of a gang member yet were still arrested:

"One thing people have to understand is that in an incident like this where you have multiple people involved, it's very common for the accusation to be based on the theory of accomplice liability. When you encourage someone else to commit a crime....you can be charged as if you committed it."

On the impact on the innocent individuals who were arrested:

"This is inherent in our criminal justice system. The system is not perfect, it's cautious...we don't charge people at the point in time where we're positive or even convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that they committed a crime in all cases. In many cases, we charge people early in the process as the investigation evolves and develops. And that's just a consequence of the system that recognizes that in many cases it's unrealistic to expect that the police have all the evidence that they need at the initiation of the process."http://tpr.org/post/next-fight-waco-shootout-will-be-court

[Spurminator]

Y'all act like there's a big protest and media event every time a black criminal is shot by a cop while committing a crime.

[ChumpDumper]

Y'all act like there's a big protest and media event every time a black criminal is shot by a cop while committing a crime.Darrin's primary news source is angry facebook posts.

[CosmicCowboy]

Y'all act like there's a big protest and media event every time a black criminal is shot by a cop while committing a crime.

Ferguson does come to mind...

mkOfqIXkBRE

[ChumpDumper]

Ferguson does come to mind...

mkOfqIXkBREonce = every time

[Spurminator]

Ferguson does come to mind...

mkOfqIXkBRE

Thanks, I'm aware of Ferguson, and aware that you guys think the reaction to the Brown shooting is representative of the reaction every time a black criminal is shot by a cop while committing a crime.

[CosmicCowboy]

CC needs a little primer on the US legal system:http://tpr.org/post/next-fight-waco-shootout-will-be-court

Chump needs to be arrested for nothing and held in jail indefinitely. Just a consequence of the system.

[DarrinS]

Y'all act like there's a big protest and media event every time a black criminal is shot by a cop while committing a crime.

There's usually a big protest BECAUSE of media coverage. Hands up -- don't shoot. Skittles. I can't breathe.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump needs to be arrested for nothing and held in jail indefinitely. Just a consequence of the system.Did you read the interview, CC?

Yes or no.

[ChumpDumper]

There's usually a big protest BECAUSE of media coverage. Hands up -- don't shoot. Skittles. I can't breathe.Do you approve of the police and legal action taken in Waco?

[Spurminator]

There's usually a big protest BECAUSE of media coverage. Hands up -- don't shoot. Skittles. I can't breathe.

So that's three times. How many black guys have been killed by cops in the past three years, would you say?

[DarrinS]

So that's three times. How many black guys have been killed by cops in the past three years, would you say?

I don't know. How many black guys have been killed by black guys in the past three years?

[boutons_deux]

White Wash. Officer Shoots 2 Unarmed Black Men Accused Of Stealing Beerhttp://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/olympia-police-shoot-men-accused-stealing-beer?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

the punishment fits the crime, right?

.... if they had been white frat rats?

[Trill Clinton]

White Wash. Officer Shoots 2 Unarmed Black Men Accused Of Stealing Beer

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/olympia-police-shoot-men-accused-stealing-beer?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

the punishment fits the crime, right?

.... if they had been white frat rats?

wtf???

[boutons_deux]

wtf???

yawn

cops are instantly prosecutors, juries, judges, executioners. They claim "feel threatened" or "resisted arrest", but even that is not needed to shoot.

Escalation to crippling brutality and killing is immediate, and unpunished, and often not even questioned.

[Trill Clinton]

yawn

cops are instantly prosecutors, juries, judges, executioners. They claim "feel threatened" or "resisted arrest", but even that is not needed to shoot.

Escalation to crippling brutality and killing is immediate, and unpunished, and often not even questioned.

police departments are just an arm of white supremacy. that's why MOST white people are apathetic towards them killing unarmed men, women and children.

[m>s]

police departments are just an arm of white supremacy. that's why MOST white people are apathetic towards them killing unarmed men, women and children.
Except they are not and there are a ton of black and minority cops.

[boutons_deux]

"police departments are just an arm of white supremacy."

search the "history of policing police usa", when and why cities formed taxpayer-financed police forces. It wasn't to keep the 1% from committing their crimes.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

When CC write's it's like he is channeling Fox News. He is laid up with a knee that doesn't work and a hole in his leg. Take in his demographic and I am betting at least 4 hours a day.

The machismo act is quite entertaining considering he is a cripple now. 3 bikers come after him and he would shit his pants much less 170 of them. Only a fool wouldn't be scared of 100 Bandidos coming down on them. Those guys don't fuck around, NRA fantasies aside.

Anyway parroting the false equivalence over and over again is fun.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The machismo act is quite entertaining considering he is a cripple now. 3 bikers come after him and he would shit his pants much less 170 of them. Only a fool wouldn't be scared of 100 Bandidos coming down on them. Those guys don't fuck around, NRA fantasies aside.


I'm in no way siding with CC and his views on this topic but what in the fuck are you even talking about? You've gone off the deep end man. You rarely make sense or stay on topic. Your constant weed smoking is definitely hurting your mental health. You should consult your clinical psychologist friend for help.

[CosmicCowboy]

When CC write's it's like he is channeling Fox News. He is laid up with a knee that doesn't work and a hole in his leg. Take in his demographic and I am betting at least 4 hours a day.

The machismo act is quite entertaining considering he is a cripple now. 3 bikers come after him and he would shit his pants much less 170 of them. Only a fool wouldn't be scared of 100 Bandidos coming down on them. Those guys don't fuck around, NRA fantasies aside.

Anyway parroting the false equivalence over and over again is fun.

I'm not "laid up". I am at work at 6 and get home at 6. I don't watch and parrot Fox news but I do have a functioning brain, so kiss my ass fuzzyfaggot.

[m>s]

I'm not "laid up". I am at work at 6 and get home at 6. I don't watch and parrot Fox news but I do have a functioning brain, so kiss my ass fuzzyfaggot.
:lmao owned

[m>s]

I'm in no way siding with CC and his views on this topic but what in the fuck are you even talking about? You've gone off the deep end man. You rarely make sense or stay on topic. Your constant weed smoking is definitely hurting your mental health. You should consult your clinical psychologist friend for help.
:lmao OMG

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not "laid up". I am at work at 6 and get home at 6. I don't watch and parrot Fox news but I do have a functioning brain, so kiss my ass fuzzyfaggot.

So you do this at 'work' then. You can call it what you like. It is what it is.

[CosmicCowboy]

So you do this at 'work' then. You can call it what you like. It is what it is.

One of the benefits of owning my own prosperous business and making bank is I can come into Spurstalk any time I want to and make fun of loser emo faggots like you.

[Spurminator]

I don't know. How many black guys have been killed by black guys in the past three years?

Too many. But that's not relevant to a discussion on your suggestion that every time a black man is shot by a cop, there's a big media event followed by a protest.

[ChumpDumper]

Funny that the Daily Mail has the bet comprehensive update, but there it is:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093225/Executed-point-blank-shots-head-one-killed-son-eight-Cossacks-died-Waco-breastaurant-bloodbath-months-bitter-gang-rivlary.html

One can argue that many of the people there were innocent of whatever specific crime happened at Twin Peaks, but there was way too much bad shit going on and everyone there should have been aware if they were in that scene at all.

[TheSanityAnnex]

When CC write's it's like he is channeling Fox News. He is laid up with a knee that doesn't work and a hole in his leg. Take in his demographic and I am betting at least 4 hours a day.

The machismo act is quite entertaining considering he is a cripple now. 3 bikers come after him and he would shit his pants much less 170 of them. Only a fool wouldn't be scared of 100 Bandidos coming down on them. Those guys don't fuck around, NRA fantasies aside.

Anyway parroting the false equivalence over and over again is fun.

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/fuzzy_zps5h57iiwm.jpg

Fuzzy patiently waiting for his family and clinical psychologist "friend" to show up so he can go to the computer lounge on share his Spurstalk conquests

[boutons_deux]

"War On Cops": Fox News Abandons Its Catchphrase When Bike Gangs Threaten Police


After African-American communities in Baltimore and Ferguson, MO came together to demonstrate against the deadly and racially disparate policies of law enforcement, Fox News branded the protests a "war on cops." But when the story became a mostly white Texas biker gang plotting to kill police with grenades and car bombs, the network took a decidedly less sensationalist approach in its reporting.

Fox host Sean Hannity declared on May 12 that there is a "war on police in America" and tied recent statistics (http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2014-preliminary-statistics-for-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty)on law enforcement officers' deaths to protestors in Baltimore who took to the streets in response to the unexplained death (http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/19/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-death/) of Freddie Gray while in police custody.

It's a narrative Fox has been pushing for months, branding any discussion of the proven racial disparities (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/04/11/thousands-dead-few-prosecuted/) in police shootings as part of a sensationalized (http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/05/19/fox-completely-distorts-obamas-policy-proposals/203690) "war" on law enforcement.

Earlier in May, Fox host Eric Bolling responded to the killing of NYPD officer Brian Moore by suggesting that liberals waging a "war on cops" were to blame. He said, "The 'anti-cop left' in America seems to be ... fueling some of this hatred and, you know, murderous streak that's going on against cops."

On March 12, Fox Business Network host Lou Dobbs directed viewers (http://mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2015/05/22/40095/fbn-loudobbs-20150312-waroncops) to vote in an online poll that asked, "Has the Obama administration's war on law enforcement contributed, in your opinion, to violence in Ferguson and other communities around the country?"

On the December 29, 2014 broadcast of Fox News' Special Report, contributor Charles Krauthammer responded (http://mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2015/05/22/40092/fnc-specialreport-20141229-waroncops) to the pattern of unarmed black men being shot by police officers by saying, "If there's a pattern here, it's the war on police. I don't see a war on young black men."

But on a major story that involved serious threats against law enforcement, the "people versus the police" warlike rhetoric has been conspicuously absent from Fox's news coverage.

On May 17 in Waco, TX, a shootout between rival biker gangs and law enforcement left nine people dead and more than 190 people in custody. In the immediate aftermath (http://kxan.com/2015/05/17/fatal-shooting-at-twin-peaks-in-waco/), some gang members issued death threats against uniformed officers. Days later, reports of more violent threats emerged -- members of the Bandidos biker gang who serve in the military were giving their fellow members grenades and C4 explosives, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety. CNN reported (http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/21/us/texas-biker-shooting/) on the existence of Bandidos "plots targeting high-ranking law enforcement officials and their families with car bombs":

The Bandidos want to retaliate against police for shooting "their brothers" as they came out of the Twin Peaks restaurant, the bulletin says.

The gang has ordered a hit against Texas troopers and other officers, according to the bulletin. Among the threats are running over officers at traffic stops and the use of grenades and Molotov cocktails and firearms.


Fox News reported the threats, but despite the element of military-grade tactics in the story, has completely refrained from describing the plot as part of its much-hyped "war on cops." Instead, the network has played it straight, with just-the-facts news reports read on camera with no accompanying pictures or video.

The contrast is noteworthy, and highlights the double-standard that the media in general has exercised when reporting on the biker club shootout versus how it reported on the protests in Baltimore -- something even CNN noticed.

CNN's Sally Kohn observed (http://www.kesq.com/news/kohn-waco-coverage-and-race-double-standard/33088538) that, "[I]n much of the coverage of the Waco shootings, the race of the gang members isn't even mentioned. By comparison, the day after Freddie Gray died in the custody of police officers in Baltimore, not only did most coverage mention that Gray was black, but also included a quote from the deputy police commissioner noting Gray was arrested in 'a high-crime area known to have high narcotic incidents,' implicitly smearing Gray and the entire community":

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/05/22/war-on-cops-fox-news-abandons-its-catchphrase-w/203748

Blacks protest cops killing unarmed blacks? the entire black race is slimed

White criminals threaten the cops? just a few bad apples (who'd be ok if they'd just Come To Jesus and Repent)

[m>s]

One of the benefits of owning my own prosperous business and making bank is I can come into Spurstalk any time I want to and make fun of loser emo faggots like you.
:lmao go easy on him haha no wait on second thought don't!!

[CosmicCowboy]

LOL 7 out of 8 headshots. Guess those Cossacks just stood still and let those Bandidos walk up and whack them with pistols. I wouldn't be surprised if most of those holes are 5.56.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL all headshots. Guess those Cossacks just stood still and let those Bandidos walk up and whack them with pistols. I wouldn't be surprised if most of those holes are 5.56.Which source says they are all headshots, CC?

I'd like a link.

[CosmicCowboy]

Which source says they are all headshots, CC?

I'd like a link.

Your link dumbass. I did correct it to 7 out of 8.

[ChumpDumper]

Your link dumbass. I did correct it to 7 out of 8.Thanks for correcting. Might not be totally accurate though.


The nine bikers, all of whom were members of either the Bandidos or the Cossacks, all died of gunshot wounds.

Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, died of gunshot wounds of the head and trunk.

Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, died of gunshot wounds to the neck.

Richard Vincent Kirshner, Jr., 47, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.

Richard Matthew Jordan, III, 31, died of gunshot wounds to the head.

Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, died of gunshot wounds to the head and trunk.

Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, died of gunshot wounds to the head.

Matthew Mark Smith, 27, died of gunshot wounds to the trunk

Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.

And Charles Wayne Russell, 46, died of gunshot wounds to the chest.
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Family-Of-Biker-Killed-In-Texas-Gun-Battle-Speaks-304459391.html?ref=391

And it doesn't look like Daniel Boyett's son is saying the police executed his father.

[CosmicCowboy]

Like I said...high probability all head/neck shots were 5.56. Police are making it clear as soon as they saw weapons the bikers were fair game.

[ChumpDumper]

Like I said...high probability all head/neck shots were 5.56. Police are making it clear as soon as they saw weapons the bikers were fair game.lol that's not what you said.

[CosmicCowboy]

lol that's not what you said.

Well Chump, why don't you tell me what you think I said? I think I've been pretty consistent.

[ChumpDumper]

Well Chump, why don't you tell me what you think I said? I think I've been pretty consistent.You said they were all headshots. Then 7 of 8.

Now that it's more like five and one eyewitness is almost surely going to testify that his father was shot in the head by someone who is not a policeman, would you like to amend your statement further?

[CosmicCowboy]

You said they were all headshots. Then 7 of 8.

Now that it's more like five and one eyewitness is almost surely going to testify that his father was shot in the head by someone who is not a policeman, would you like to amend your statement further?

From the article YOU posted:


Seven of the dead had head wounds

pretty funny that you want to quibble over your own link.

[ChumpDumper]

From the article YOU posted:That YOU misread in the first place.




pretty funny that you want to quibble over your own link.Kept looking because I couldn't believe the Daily Mail had to be the best article available. Found the list from a local TV site.

I think that is currently the best source for the list of victims and their wounds.

Do you have a better one at this point?

[CosmicCowboy]

That YOU misread in the first place.



Kept looking because I couldn't believe the Daily Mail had to be the best article available. Found the list from a local TV site.

I think that is currently the best source for the list of victims and their wounds.

Do you have a better one at this point?

No, but you can keep looking. Then you can argue with your last source. :lol

[DarrinS]

When CC write's it's like he is channeling Fox News. He is laid up with a knee that doesn't work and a hole in his leg. Take in his demographic and I am betting at least 4 hours a day.

The machismo act is quite entertaining considering he is a cripple now. 3 bikers come after him and he would shit his pants much less 170 of them. Only a fool wouldn't be scared of 100 Bandidos coming down on them. Those guys don't fuck around, NRA fantasies aside.

Anyway parroting the false equivalence over and over again is fun.


Did you remember to feed your cat today?

[ChumpDumper]

No, but you can keep looking. Then you can argue with your last source. :lolIt will be fun to watch you walk back some more.

[CosmicCowboy]

It will be even more fun watching you argue with your own links.

[ChumpDumper]

It will be even more fun watching you argue with your own links.Hey, you'd still have email lists as your main source without me, so you're welcome.

Educating you is fun.

[Ignignokt]

It will be fun to watch you walk back some more.

Is that what you consider fun, David? You dont get out much cept to feed your great dane.

[ChumpDumper]

Is that what you consider fun, David? You dont get out much cept to feed your great dane.It's also fun watching you try to guess personal details about my life.

Why do you try so hard?

[Ignignokt]

It's also fun watching you try to guess personal details about my life.

Why do you try so hard?

Why do you try so hard to type and respond to me?

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you try so hard to type and respond to me?Not that it's hard, but because you keep trying to guess personal information about me and I want to know why you keep trying.

So why do you keep trying?

[m>s]

Lol "guess"

[ChumpDumper]

Lol "guess"I'd ask you too, but you're too scared to even say where you think my family is from.

[m>s]

I'd ask you too, but you're too scared to even say where you think my family is from.
I want to say Chicago but I'd have to check your file

[ChumpDumper]

I want to say Chicago but I'd have to check your file"Want to say"?

What bullshit is that?

You said you know, now your backing down.

lol

[m>s]

I don't have access to my records right now

[ChumpDumper]

I don't have access to my records right nowWhen will you have access to them?

[m>s]

You misspelled access

[ChumpDumper]

You misspelled accessI copied your spelling error before your edit.

That's why it was in quotes.

So when will you have access to your records?

[m>s]

Later tonight or tomorrow

[ChumpDumper]

Later tonight or tomorrowGeez, where do you keep my file?

[DPG21920]

awww sweet innocent cossacks and bandido. that thuggish ruggish exterior is a mask for the cuddly teddy bears they are:lol

That's like gang members "protesting" for someone they would have killed for looking at them the wrong way a week before the cops did it.

[DPG21920]

Also, is it race? How many murders are there a year by biker gangs vs other types of gangs? Is it as big of an issue as other gangs in terms of violent crimes?

[ChumpDumper]

Also, is it race? How many murders are there a year by biker gangs vs other types of gangs? Is it as big of an issue as other gangs in terms of violent crimes?Well, three Bandidos are currently awaiting trial for murdering a Cossack in a Fort Worth bar, and that's after the Cossacks got their clubhouse burned down and they beat the shit out of a Bandido on the highway and stole his bike.

Whole thing seems really stupid unless they were fighting over drug turf or something; then it would just be pretty stupid.

[DPG21920]

It is stupid. All of it. It's not race. It's stupid. Stupid white biker gangs with killing for stupid reasons. Stupid black gangs killing for stupid reasons. It's not race at all.

[m>s]

Geez, where do you keep my file?
That's none of your business

[ChumpDumper]

That's none of your businessSo you just made it up.

OK.

[m>s]

No it's on a drive that I don't currently have access to

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, you're really way behind on the technology. The master race can't even do cloud storage or vpn.

That's some pathetic shit.

[m>s]

Don't use it /= can't

[Th'Pusher]

Don't use it /= can't
:lol @ not using vpn. Join the 21st century you rat.

[m>s]

Why would anyone want to use Vpn just to surf the net? Muh NSA

[ChumpDumper]

Why would anyone want to use Vpn just to surf the net? Muh NSAlol just another Friday night for m<s.

[Th'Pusher]

Why would anyone want to use Vpn just to surf the net? Muh NSA
I was suggesting you might want to securely access the personal file you appear to maintain on chump. Why do you maintain information about men you meet on the internet? How may different men are you tracking?

[TeyshaBlue]

lol files. Pathetic.

[TeyshaBlue]

And for the record....there ain't no such thing as a peaceful Bandito.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess this can be taken with a grain of salt, but this Cossack witness story jibes with the police story about the parking conflict and the security camera video.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/richie-died-then-diesel-then-dog-an-eyewitness-to-the-waco-biker-brawl/2015/05/23/00db6436-1a8a-469b-9d6f-d2283234d281_story.html

Conspiracy Cowboy might have to modify his ambush angle.

[Ignignokt]

Not that it's hard, but because you keep trying to guess personal information about me and I want to know why you keep trying.

So why do you keep trying?

If I'm just making up shit like your saying, then there's no effort required, unless I'm pretty accurate in my assessment and you're legitimately panicked, thus the accusation that I'm trying too hard.

[m>s]

If I'm just making up shit like your saying, then there's no effort required, unless I'm pretty accurate in my assessment and you're legitimately panicked, thus the accusation that I'm trying too hard.
Yep, we got him under the radar, might come in handy someday

[ChumpDumper]

If I'm just making up shit like your saying, then there's no effort required, unless I'm pretty accurate in my assessment and you're legitimately panicked, thus the accusation that I'm trying too hard.Why would anyone be panicked by you? There's nothing even mildly threatening about you. You can't even get a name right.

You're trying so hard because you rarely post about anything but me. So why are you trying so hard?

[m>s]

^gtown is a big guy, he'd squash you like a bug faggot

[ChumpDumper]

^gtown is a big guy, he'd squash you like a bug faggotHe's fat?

Makes sense tbh.

[m>s]

That's not what I said bitch. Gtown would stomp a mud hole and walk it dry. You're fucking with a couple of Texans not some sissy liberal faggot

[ChumpDumper]

So you're both fat and defensive about it.

[m>s]

Dude i don't do open handed sissy slaps, I throw closed fists. Let's do it, you up for
mutual combat?

[ChumpDumper]

You've already pussed out on meet ups. Remember that one when you were pretending to be blck and posted a YouTube of some cars driving around a park saying it was you?

[m>s]

No but really are you down for mutual combat? I want it on here in writing so you can't cry to the cops.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure. Since you have a file on me just give me a call.

[m>s]

Don't have your phone number but give it and I'll call from a throwaway phone to set this up.

[ChumpDumper]

If you don't even have my phone number in your file you aren't serious about any of this, chubbs.

[m>s]

I don't need it until now, that's not the information I have collected. So are you going to but up or keep doing the sissy thing?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't need it until now, that's not the information I have collected.You need it now, so collect it.

[Ignignokt]

You need it now, so collect it.


You seem to be feigning machoness but your sissy petty feminine qualities shine through, why do you try so hard?

That's alot of trying.

[ChumpDumper]

You seem to be feigning machoness but your sissy petty feminine qualities shine through, why do you try so hard?

That's alot of trying.So you think your machismo is real.

lol

Keep trying, gtown. Someone will think you are a tough guy someday!

[Nbadan]

Sure. Since you have a file on me just give me a call.

:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

Ran across an interesting article on Google. I am not endorsing the source or endorsing their conclusions. Just sharing it. They appear to have made an effort to keep an open mind and not draw any firm conclusions. They just speculate on possibilities with the information currently available. I thought it was an interesting read.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/27/waco-twin-peaks-shooting-the-crossfire/

[ChumpDumper]

Ran across an interesting article on Google. I am not endorsing the source or endorsing their conclusions. Just sharing it. They appear to have made an effort to keep an open mind and not draw any firm conclusions. They just speculate on possibilities with the information currently available. I thought it was an interesting read.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/27/waco-twin-peaks-shooting-the-crossfire/conspiracytreehouse.com

Wait for the ballistics.

[boutons_deux]

Ran across an interesting article on Google. I am not endorsing the source or endorsing their conclusions. Just sharing it. They appear to have made an effort to keep an open mind and not draw any firm conclusions. They just speculate on possibilities with the information currently available. I thought it was an interesting read.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/27/waco-twin-peaks-shooting-the-crossfire/

"there are also 170 people out of work, missing paychecks, away from their families, and they have lost their freedom and liberty"

sniff sniff

100Ks of blacks can't get jobs because of bogus ARREST records, any meticulous, overworked analysis from conservativeshithouse?

hell no, OMGs are right-wingers that MUST be given their FREEDOM!

[CosmicCowboy]

conspiracytreehouse.com

Wait for the ballistics.

I knew you would predictably discount the source instead of objectively reviewing the information provided..

[ChumpDumper]

I knew you would predictably discount the source instead of objectively reviewing the information provided..I posted that after reviewing the conspiracy article.

[CosmicCowboy]

"there are also 170 people out of work, missing paychecks, away from their families, and they have lost their freedom and liberty"

sniff sniff

100Ks of blacks can't get jobs because of bogus ARREST records, any meticulous, overworked analysis from conservativeshithouse?

hell no, OMGs are right-wingers that MUST be given their FREEDOM!




I knew you would predictably vomit a bunch of unintelligible shit.

[m>s]

Psychotic leftists love to talk about race even though they also claim race doesn't exist.

[boutons_deux]

I knew you would predictably vomit a bunch of unintelligible shit.

probably won't help, but take a remedial course in reading comprehension.

hilarious how you rightwing fuckers, and the shit y'all read, try to whitewash, slice and dice to innocence OMGs.

And people saying member of OMGS are "good guys".

If you're a Bandido, Cossack, Hells Angel, etc, you're guilty AT VERY LEAST by association.

[CosmicCowboy]

probably won't help, but take a remedial course in reading comprehension.

hilarious how you rightwing fuckers, and the shit y'all read, try to whitewash, slice and dice to innocence OMGs.

And people saying member of OMGS are "good guys".

If you're a Bandido, Cossack, Hells Angel, etc, you're guilty AT VERY LEAST by association.

It's hilarious how predictably stupid you are.

[TheSanityAnnex]

If you're a Bandido, Cossack, Hells Angel, etc, you're guilty AT VERY LEAST by association.

delicious irony

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's hilarious how predictably stupid you are.

As you cite a source with Breitbart emblazoned all over their banner. Then trying to distance yourself from it was a nice touch as well.

I await your faux machismo response.

[boutons_deux]

Biker Thugs Converge On Arizona Mosque Armed Looking For War

Now, not to be out-extremed, an Arizona group of biker thugs made explicit plans to converge on Phoenix Arizona to insult and enrage Muslims with cartoon images of the Prophet Mohammed during their Friday prayer service. It is possible the group of Arizona biker thugs were inspired by the Waco (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/05/18/waco_biker_gang_shootout_at_least_165_arrested_pol ice_had_prepared_for_trouble.html) biker thugs looking for trouble, only instead of insulting each other, they are taking out their love of the First and Second Amendment on peaceful Muslims at an Islamic Community Center precisely when devotees gather for evening prayers.

In announcing (https://www.facebook.com/events/1630892790456240/) their “Freedom of Speech Rally Round II,” the biker thugs are expanding the hateful anti-Muslim of Pam Geller’s “insult Muslim adherents” with their own contest of forbidden cartoons to mock the Muslim Prophet Mohammed. One wonders what evangelical fundamentalists would think if a group of Muslims showed up at a mega-church revival meeting with pornographic images of Jesus; it is certain they would hardly pause and celebrate the Muslims’ right to exercise their freedom of speech.

Likely, if it happened in an open-carry state like Arizona, there would be Muslim blood being shed, but then again Muslim people are not prone to deliberate sacrilege just to exercise their First Amendment rights; that is reserved for hate groups like Geller promotes.
According to the rally’s organizer, Jon Ritzheimer, he expects the anti-Muslim biker thugs to show up armed “to utilize there [sic] second amendment right” against Muslims during prayers.

After all, he did hear that the mosque is “a known place” where the would-be ambushers of Geller’s insult Islam hatefest in Garland Texas are rumored to have worshiped. On his Facebook event page, Ritzheimer sent out an all-call to biker thugs to arm-up for a peaceful protest against Muslims during their prayers.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/30/biker-thugs-converge-arizona-mosque-armed-war.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.military.com/video/family-and-spouse/support/bikers-block-military-funeral-protesters/1834505258001#.VWqO8FeI5eg.google

[Koolaid_Man]

America was founded as a white colony, if you hate whites so bad then fuck off and go hang yourself by your dick

Lol..when shit does pop off can't wait to see video footage of you hiding in the closet :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

No conspiracy cowboy here...just reporting the facts...

It was the AP that called bulllshit on the police claim with video to back it up. Do you not consider them credible?

Why are you taking up for these thugs

[TheSanityAnnex]

Biker Thugs Converge On Arizona Mosque Armed Looking For War

Now, not to be out-extremed, an Arizona group of biker thugs made explicit plans to converge on Phoenix Arizona to insult and enrage Muslims with cartoon images of the Prophet Mohammed during their Friday prayer service. It is possible the group of Arizona biker thugs were inspired by the Waco (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/05/18/waco_biker_gang_shootout_at_least_165_arrested_pol ice_had_prepared_for_trouble.html) biker thugs looking for trouble, only instead of insulting each other, they are taking out their love of the First and Second Amendment on peaceful Muslims at an Islamic Community Center precisely when devotees gather for evening prayers.

In announcing (https://www.facebook.com/events/1630892790456240/) their “Freedom of Speech Rally Round II,” the biker thugs are expanding the hateful anti-Muslim of Pam Geller’s “insult Muslim adherents” with their own contest of forbidden cartoons to mock the Muslim Prophet Mohammed. One wonders what evangelical fundamentalists would think if a group of Muslims showed up at a mega-church revival meeting with pornographic images of Jesus; it is certain they would hardly pause and celebrate the Muslims’ right to exercise their freedom of speech.

Likely, if it happened in an open-carry state like Arizona, there would be Muslim blood being shed, but then again Muslim people are not prone to deliberate sacrilege just to exercise their First Amendment rights; that is reserved for hate groups like Geller promotes.
According to the rally’s organizer, Jon Ritzheimer, he expects the anti-Muslim biker thugs to show up armed “to utilize there [sic] second amendment right” against Muslims during prayers.

After all, he did hear that the mosque is “a known place” where the would-be ambushers of Geller’s insult Islam hatefest in Garland Texas are rumored to have worshiped. On his Facebook event page, Ritzheimer sent out an all-call to biker thugs to arm-up for a peaceful protest against Muslims during their prayers.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/30/biker-thugs-converge-arizona-mosque-armed-war.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29



Not a single shot was fired as you hoped. Cool.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.military.com/video/family-and-spouse/support/bikers-block-military-funeral-protesters/1834505258001#.VWqO8FeI5eg.google


That got my eyes watery.

[pgardn]

http://www.military.com/video/family-and-spouse/support/bikers-block-military-funeral-protesters/1834505258001#.VWqO8FeI5eg.google

God is punishing America thru 9/11 and other war related deaths because homosexuality is tolerated by the U.S.
Solution, protest at funerals of military men to play with their families?

Bizarre.

The correlations people invent never cease to amaze me.

[pgardn]

Not a single shot was fired as you hoped. Cool.

Never-the-less it's a ridiculous idea.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Never-the-less it's a ridiculous idea.
For sure it was. Must of bummed out boutons it was organized by an atheist and not a Christian. Really ruined his spamming capabilities.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's interesting that the same individuals in here find it abhorrent that a cop would stop and frisk a black guy looking suspicious in a known high crime area yet find it totally OK for cops in Waco to shoot and kill bikers at a restaurant and throw the rest into jail on a million dollars bond just for wearing club gear. They must all be guilty of something, right?

[boutons_deux]

"just for wearing club gear."

the OBGs were shooting, not "just ... wearing club gear."

[CosmicCowboy]

"just for wearing club gear."

the OBGs were shooting, not "just ... wearing club gear."



So Boo knows this how? All 27 that were killed or wounded were shooting?

[ChumpDumper]

It's interesting that the same individuals in here find it abhorrent that a cop would stop and frisk a black guy looking suspicious in a known high crime area yet find it totally OK for cops in Waco to shoot and kill bikers at a restaurant and throw the rest into jail on a million dollars bond just for wearing club gear. They must all be guilty of something, right?Are you saying they had no reason to shoot anyone that day?

[boutons_deux]

So Boo knows this how? All 27 that were killed or wounded were shooting?

I don't know, but I can guess in a "melee" like that, with all the OBGs mixed together, that OGB and police shots were not 100% accurate.

You love cops killing unarmed black thugs, but hate cops shooting your OBG white thugs.

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you saying they had no reason to shoot anyone that day?

LOL @ Chumps usual straw men.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't know, but I can guess in a "melee" like that, with all the OBGs mixed together, that OGB and police shots were not 100% accurate.

You love cops killing unarmed black thugs, but hate cops shooting your OBG white thugs.

No, I'm just pointing out your inconsistencies. You only believe what your RSS feeds tell you to believe.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL @ Chumps usual straw men.So you're saying they had reason to shoot bikers that day?

Make up your mind.

[CosmicCowboy]

So you're saying they had reason to shoot bikers that day?

Make up your mind.

More straw from the Chump.

I'm pretty confident that 27 killed/wounded bikers weren't all waving guns around when the swat teams opened fire.

[pgardn]

More straw from the Chump.

I'm pretty confident that 27 killed/wounded bikers weren't all waving guns around when the swat teams opened fire.

I can't see that situation with the number of guns they confiscated and were being fired.
That was portrayed as a real mess. Ferguson it was not.

[ChumpDumper]

More straw from the Chump.

I'm pretty confident that 27 killed/wounded bikers weren't all waving guns around when the swat teams opened fire.So you're saying they had no reason to shoot bikers that day?

Make up your mind.

Also are you saying the police shot all 27 bikers?

Yes or no.

Please make up your mind and state your actual opinion here.

[CosmicCowboy]

So you're saying they had no reason to shoot bikers that day?

Make up your mind.

Also are you saying the police shot all 27 bikers?

Yes or no.

Please make up your mind and state your actual opinion here.

More chump straw. Damn you are full of it tonight.

Yeah, I think some of the bikers got in a fight.

Yeah, I think the cops overreacted and opened fire and a lot of uninvolved people downrange got hit.

So what does Chump think? Does Chump think?

[ChumpDumper]

More chump straw. Damn you are full of it tonight.

Yeah, I think some of the bikers got in a fight.

Yeah, I think the cops overreacted and opened fire and a lot of uninvolved people downrange got hit.

So what does Chump think? Does Chump think?You didn't answer the questions.

Do you think the cops had cause to use deadly force?

Do you think the police shot all 27 bikers?

[CosmicCowboy]

You didn't answer the questions.

Do you think the cops had cause to use deadly force?

Do you think the police shot all 27 bikers?

more straw. Damn you are full of it tonight.

I think a few bikers got in a fight. Probably a few of the killed/wounded were the result of bikers on bikers.

I think SWAT then ripped off a lot of rounds, probably hit the original involved and a majority that weren't.

it's not all or nothing Chump.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't know, but I can guess in a "melee" like that, with all the OBGs mixed together, that OGB and police shots were not 100% accurate.

You love cops killing unarmed black thugs, but hate cops shooting your OBG white thugs.
In a situation like that I've got no problem with the cops dumping mags until all those guys stop shooting and hit the ground with hands out surrendering.

[ChumpDumper]

more straw. Damn you are full of it tonight.

I think a few bikers got in a fight. Probably a few of the killed/wounded were the result of bikers on bikers.

I think SWAT then ripped off a lot of rounds, probably hit the original involved and a majority that weren't.

it's not all or nothing Chump.It only took you a day to make yourself clear.

I think you're making progress.

[CosmicCowboy]

It only took you a day to make yourself clear.

I think you're making progress.

:lmao

says the bitch that never has the balls to state an opinion, that just ankle bites others.

[CosmicCowboy]

In a situation like that I've got no problem with the cops dumping mags until all those guys stop shooting and hit the ground with hands out surrendering.

So if 7 dead/wounded were biker on biker and 20 were direct result of trigger happy SWAT you are OK with that? if they had been black major metro areas across the country would still be burning.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

says the bitch that never has the balls to state an opinion, that just ankle bites others.I said what I thought quite awhile back. I believe the Cossack's story in the Post since it jibes with the police account. I believe the serious charges against most of the bikers will be dropped as the actual murderers get picked out.

[ChumpDumper]

So if 7 dead/wounded were biker on biker and 20 were direct result of trigger happy SWAT you are OK with that? if they had been black major metro areas across the country would still be burning.Depends on how many bikers were shooting and how long.

[CosmicCowboy]

We will probably never know. it's not like the justice department swooped in to save the day like some black thug got shot. Crazy double standard these days.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So if 7 dead/wounded were biker on biker and 20 were direct result of trigger happy SWAT you are OK with that? if they had been black major metro areas across the country would still be burning.
Yup perfectly fine with that result. A group of guys that big all armed, fighting, and shooting each other and then shooting at cops fuck em all, dump mags until they all hit the ground.

the color of their skin and resulting protests/non protests means nothing.

[ChumpDumper]

We will probably never know. it's not like the justice department swooped in to save the day like some black thug got shot. Crazy double standard these days.Conspiracy Cowboy is all in on the dirty Waco cop theory.

[CosmicCowboy]

I wouldn't say dirty. More like 'overkill" with SWAT guys taking risky shots without clearing downrange and in no hurry to admit it.

[boutons_deux]

I wouldn't say dirty. More like 'overkill" with SWAT guys taking risky shots without clearing downrange and in no hurry to admit it.


The sicko cop who shot Tamir Rice didn't clear "downrange" :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

The sicko cop who shot Tamir Rice didn't clear "downrange" :lol

Looked like a hasty shoot as well.

[ChumpDumper]

I wouldn't say dirty. More like 'overkill" with SWAT guys taking risky shots without clearing downrange and in no hurry to admit it.How does one "clear downrange" while more than one biker is shooting? How many shots should they have allowed the bikers to get off?

[CosmicCowboy]

How does one "clear downrange" while more than one biker is shooting? How many shots should they have allowed the bikers to get off?

You move until you have a clear shot and there aren't people standing/sitting on the porch behind the intended target.

Besides, bikers were allegedly shooting bikers. i thought your position was they deserved to get shot since they were all criminals.

[ChumpDumper]

You move until you have a clear shot and there aren't people standing/sitting on the porch behind the intended target.So how many shots the perps get off in the meantime do you deem acceptable?

BTW at least three bikers already had their bonds reduced with scores more bond hearings set for Friday.

[ChumpDumper]

And your narrative about the law enforcement officials changed from head shot assassinations to indiscriminate bullet spraying over the course of time.

What changed your mind, CC?

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm willing to wait and see how many they admit shooting.

As for the bonds being reduced for those that weren't involved in the shooting...what is it..three weeks now? Gee...I'm sure they are SO grateful.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm willing to wait and see how many they admit shooting. You didn't wait before. Your innuendo suggests they would never admit a true number.


As for the bonds being reduced for those that weren't involved in the shooting...what is it..three weeks now? Gee...I'm sure they are SO grateful.Conspiracy Cowboy moves the goalpost.

[CosmicCowboy]

And your narrative about the law enforcement officials changed from head shot assassinations to indiscriminate bullet spraying over the course of time.

What changed your mind, CC?

Go fuck yourself chump. This is my last response to your tiresome questions and twisting of my statements. I still presume a lot of the head shots were LE and i presume a lot of misses as well that went on downrange to kill/wound others in the line of fire. I am looking forward to them releasing the exact number if they ever do.

[ChumpDumper]

Go fuck yourself chump. This is my last response to your tiresome questions. I still presume a lot of the head shots were LE and i presume a lot of misses as well that went on downrange to kill/wound others in the line of fire. I am looking forward to them releasing the exact number if they ever do.Conspiracy Cowboy covering all the bases with a new theory of indiscriminate precision headshot bullet spraying assassinations.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm willing to wait and see how many they admit shooting.

As for the bonds being reduced for those that weren't involved in the shooting...what is it..three weeks now? Gee...I'm sure they are SO grateful.It was less than two.

Jesus, you even try to spin the time-space continuum to support your conspiracy theories.

[m>s]

First mistake was falling into the kikes trap CC

[ChumpDumper]

The trap was his own. Dude is all over the place.

[pgardn]

First mistake was falling into the kikes trap CC

im going fishing I think you need a break as well.
I might meet up with a Vietnamese Jew.
Crafty bastard can find the trout hitting plastics.

[CosmicCowboy]

im going fishing I think you need a break as well.
I might meet up with a Vietnamese Jew.
Crafty bastard can find the trout hitting plastics.

Good luck. There is so much fresh water you can probably catch bass in Corpus Christi bay.

[m>s]

im going fishing I think you need a break as well.
I might meet up with a Vietnamese Jew.
Crafty bastard can find the trout hitting plastics.
Been wanting to go down to the coast. Never really fished saltwater very much. Haven't even been able to fish at all this spring because all of north Texas is now a rainforest.

[CosmicCowboy]

Salt water fishing is 100x as much fun as freshwater. It's a blast to haul the kayaks down there and catch reds with the fly rod. Haven't done it yet this year because of the hole in my knee but will get down there after it heals.

[boutons_deux]

Waco officers fired 12 shots during deadly biker fight: police

Three Waco police officers fired a total of 12 shots during a deadly battle last month at a restaurant in the central Texas city between rival motorcycle gangs that left nine people dead and 18 others injured, police said.

It was still unknown if any of those shots hit any of the dead or wounded in the fight that took place on a patio of the Twin Peaks restaurant among more than 100 bikers. The fight also spilled out into two parking lots, police said.

An additional 32 shell casings have been recovered from the scene that were fired from revolvers that did not belong to the 16 uniformed law enforcement officers at the restaurant, Waco Police Chief Brent Stroman told a news conference.

"We did not fire indiscriminately into the crowd," Stroman said.

At least 475 weapons have been found at the scene, including knives, brass knuckles, batons, tomahawks, chains with padlocks, stun guns, pepper spray and firearms, police said.

Some bikers have blamed police for escalating the violence. The nine killed all died from gunshot wounds, preliminary autopsies showed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/12/us-usa-texas-bikers-idUSKBN0OS29E20150612?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews