So the entire R9 300 series is rebrands?

[baseline bum]

The latest AMD Radeon R300 family of graphics cards launches in a few weeks and we are looking at several cards being listed down on manufacturer sites. The Radeon R9 390X which was expected to be the flagship graphics chip, codenamed Fiji, turns out to be a Hawaii rebrand if the listing is correct and rumors that AMD’s Fiji based cards will ship with a different branding scheme (http://wccftech.com/fiji-xt-gpu-series-equivalent-titan-branding-part-radeon-r9-300/), similar to NVIDIA’s Titan cards may just end up being true.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-r9-390x-hawaii-8-gb-gddr5-spotted-radeon-r9-380-tonga-r9-370-pitcairn-rebrands/#ixzz3bHO1HQ6z

:lol AMD
:lol R9 390x is going to be a fucking R9 290x with more VRAM?
:lol Cry Havoc
:cry Goodbye AMD if true
:cry Nvidia prices are going to be awful for Pascal once AMD goes under

[baseline bum]

DJR210, get in here and pour a 40 with me in AMD's memory :cry

http://images.rapgenius.com/a4stlyk15py58w66n0pdtlpeo.500x203x9.gif

[DJR210]

:lmao Cry Havoc

Just get some tape and some markers and write 390x on your 7870's, it's basically the same thing

:cry 700 dollar "70" series Nvidia cards

[baseline bum]

:lmao Cry Havoc

Just get some tape and some markers and write 390x on your 7870's, it's basically the same thing

:cry 700 dollar "70" series Nvidia cards

LOL the R9 370 actually is an HD 7870. At least they're finally retiring the HD 7970 though.

[Cry Havoc]

The latest AMD Radeon R300 family of graphics cards launches in a few weeks and we are looking at several cards being listed down on manufacturer sites. The Radeon R9 390X which was expected to be the flagship graphics chip, codenamed Fiji, turns out to be a Hawaii rebrand if the listing is correct and rumors that AMD’s Fiji based cards will ship with a different branding scheme (http://wccftech.com/fiji-xt-gpu-series-equivalent-titan-branding-part-radeon-r9-300/), similar to NVIDIA’s Titan cards may just end up being true.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-r9-390x-hawaii-8-gb-gddr5-spotted-radeon-r9-380-tonga-r9-370-pitcairn-rebrands/#ixzz3bHO1HQ6z

:lol AMD
:lol R9 390x is going to be a fucking R9 290x with more VRAM?
:lol Cry Havoc
:cry Goodbye AMD if true
:cry Nvidia prices are going to be awful for Pascal once AMD goes under

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-17-2013/EBAIjc.gif

[DJR210]

We need an :lol :cry Havoc thread so we can easily keep record of this tbh

[baseline bum]

We need an :lol :cry Havoc thread so we can easily keep record of this tbh

Thread will be epic when Zen flops next year, well, if AMD is still alive by then.

Real talk, one of the reasons I bought a GTX 970 is I was wondering if AMD would even be alive in two years. Hard to get driver updates from a company either dead or in bankruptcy.

[DJR210]

Thread will be epic when Zen flops next year, well, if AMD is still alive by then.

Real talk, one of the reasons I bought a GTX 970 is I was wondering if AMD would even be alive in two years. Hard to get driver updates from a company either dead or in bankruptcy.

They haven't updated their drivers in months. That's terrible support.

:cry But.. But... Price to performance is unbeatable!! :cry

[baseline bum]

They haven't updated their drivers in months. That's terrible support.

:cry But.. But... Price to performance is unbeatable!! :cry

They don't have official drivers, but they're still releasing betas pretty consistently. Considering the new Nvidia driver keeps crashing under Chrome, I can't really lol and act like Nvidia's aren't betas too. I was just worried they'd die off and AMD card owbers would have to use the open source drivers. :lol

[DJR210]

They don't have official drivers, but they're still releasing betas pretty consistently. Considering the new Nvidia driver keeps crashing under Chrome, I can't really lol and act like Nvidia's aren't betas too. I was just worried they'd die off and AMD card owbers would have to use the open source drivers. :lol

There's a temp fix for the Chrome issue, some geek on Gamefaqs posted in a while back. I use Firefox, Chrome, while I like it, takes too much system resources for my liking.

[baseline bum]

There's a temp fix for the Chrome issue, some geek on Gamefaqs posted in a while back. I use Firefox, Chrome, while I like it, takes too much system resources for my liking.

Turning off hardware acceleration, right? Forget that, I like 1080p60 on youtube. Nvidia's response on the GeForce forums was to turn down the clock to reference settings. :lol Yeah, no fucking way I'm doing that when I paid for the superclocked EVGA card instead of getting a cheap Zotac at reference clocks.

[baseline bum]

There's a temp fix for the Chrome issue, some geek on Gamefaqs posted in a while back. I use Firefox, Chrome, while I like it, takes too much system resources for my liking.

Are you using the Witcher 3 driver? I'm getting worse performance with it than I did 350.12 in GTA V.

[DJR210]

Are you using the Witcher 3 driver? I'm getting worse performance with it than I did 350.12 in GTA V.

I am, but didn't notice. I'll test both later. I think I may go ahead and fly the black flag tonight and get Witcher 3..

[baseline bum]

I am, but didn't notice. I'll test both later. I think I may go ahead and fly the black flag tonight and get Witcher 3..

Get the GOG version since it has all the new patches. The performance is supposed to awful on Kepler though; supposedly the GTX 960 outperforms the GTX 780, what a fucking joke.

[baseline bum]

Meanwhile GTX 980Ti releases Tuesday and it benches equal to a Titan X for $649. LOL at anyone who bought a GTX 980 for $550 when the 980Ti is about 35% faster with 2GB more VRAM for $100 more.

http://vga.zol.com.cn/523/5235670.html

I can't believe they were able to sell the 980 at $550-$650 for so long. 980 buyers get dicked even worse than the 780 owners did, considering how shitty the 980's performance is compared to the 980 Ti. It's approaching the difference between the 960 and 970. :lol

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2015/05/MSI-GTX-980-Ti.jpg

Moral of the story is never buy an 80 series or Titan series Nvidia GPU again? Thoughts DJR210, Cry Havoc?

[baseline bum]

I bet the 980 has to drop to $400-$450 or so soon. At that price it might actually be worth it over the 970.

[baseline bum]

So it's official, the GTX 980 Ti is $649 and performs within the margin of error of a Titan X.

605135878663499778

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9306/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-review

:lol Jen-Hsun Huang taking another big wet shit on Team Red two days before they announce their Titan killer
:lol Radeon Fury at $849 for Titan X level performance, but only 4GB VRAM
:lol AMD
:lol R9 300 series all rebrands
:lol Cry Havoc

[baseline bum]

LOL at what LinusTech said in his review: "If you're an enthusiast who wants outstanding gaming performance without feeling like kind of a dumbass, you're buying, at least if you're shopping on the Nvidia side, a GTX 970 or a GTX 980Ti, with the Titan X and the 980 left pretty much out in the cold." :lmao

[DJR210]

Meanwhile GTX 980Ti releases Tuesday and it benches equal to a Titan X for $649. LOL at anyone who bought a GTX 980 for $550 when the 980Ti is about 35% faster with 2GB more VRAM for $100 more.

http://vga.zol.com.cn/523/5235670.html

I can't believe they were able to sell the 980 at $550-$650 for so long. 980 buyers get dicked even worse than the 780 owners did, considering how shitty the 980's performance is compared to the 980 Ti. It's approaching the difference between the 960 and 970. :lol

http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2015/05/MSI-GTX-980-Ti.jpg

Moral of the story is never buy an 80 series or Titan series Nvidia GPU again? Thoughts DJR210, Cry Havoc?

It's hard though..money burns a hole in my pocket if I can afford to buy a large piece of tech like a graphics card..I probably wouldn't wait if the 1080 or whatever the fuck they're gonna call it came out and offered a sizable gain over the 980 Ti.

[DJR210]

:lol AMD
:lol Titan killer is coming, but it's not from the Red Team
:lol price to performance ratio
:lol 95 degrees Celsius idle
:lol watercooled piece of crap
:lol Nvidia cards up 400% in cost
:lol "you sabatoged our performance"
:lol Gameworks just isn't fair
:lol this is about fair business, how dare you guys take a competitive edge over our inferior business approach
:lol Cry Havoc

[baseline bum]

It's hard though..money burns a hole in my pocket if I can afford to buy a large piece of tech like a graphics card..I probably wouldn't wait if the 1080 or whatever the fuck they're gonna call it came out and offered a sizable gain over the 980 Ti.

I doubt the next 80 series card will outperform the 980 Ti by much if past history is any indication. The 980 was right on par with the 780 Ti at release. It has since pulled ahead and now the 970 and 780 Ti offer about the same performance due to driver optimization for Maxwell and abandonment of Kepler. I know I'd be pissed if I bought a 980.

[baseline bum]

I'm not sure who the market is for the Radeon Fury. It sounds like it could be significantly more powerful than a Titan X, but at $849 it's way above upper mainstream prices. But with only 4GB of vram it's also going to be a hard sell to the 4xSLI/CF trust fund babies crowd running triple 4k panels, which is the target market of the Titan X now. I guess this is why Nvidia sat out this round with HBM and are saving it for Pascal.

[baseline bum]

Damn, AMD looks about done in the GPU market.

Q1 2015 vs Q1 2014

http://gamegpu.ru/images/2015/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B9/jpr_01.jpg

Starting to look a lot like the CPU market now.

[baseline bum]

So Radeon Fury X looks to be a dog too. :depressed

Bad yields, similar performance to the 980 Ti with less VRAM, having to cut the price down $250 to compete with the 980 Ti when they thought they were competing with a $1000 Titan X, so goodbye profit margins on Fiji. Not a good time to be down with team red.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweclockers.com%2Fnyhet%2F20607-amd-radeon-fiji-positioneras-mot-geforce-gtx-980-ti&edit-text=&act=url

There is now absolutely no compelling reason to go AMD in 2015. DJR210, come dance with me on AMD's grave. Sorry Cry Havoc, time to go green it looks like.

[DJR210]

So Radeon Fury X looks to be a dog too. :depressed

Bad yields, similar performance to the 980 Ti with less VRAM, having to cut the price down $250 to compete with the 980 Ti when they thought they were competing with a $1000 Titan X, so goodbye profit margins on Fiji. Not a good time to be down with team red.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweclockers.com%2Fnyhet%2F20607-amd-radeon-fiji-positioneras-mot-geforce-gtx-980-ti&edit-text=&act=url

There is now absolutely no compelling reason to go AMD in 2015. DJR210 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42671), come dance with me on AMD's grave. Sorry Cry Havoc (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7256), time to go green it looks like.

:lmao

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/lolcryhavoc_zps2d55dhl3.png

[baseline bum]

DJR210 and I are deeply sorry for your loss, Cry Havoc

http://i.imgur.com/aqJqJZI.jpg

[baseline bum]

:rollin DJR210

[DJR210]

:lol

[baseline bum]

So is the TekSyndicate guy going to off himself at this news? What next? Zen in 2016 being comparable to an i3?

[baseline bum]

Damn, and this was supposed to be their big day to announce the Radeon Fury X. At the last second Nvidia comes in and releases a better card for $200 less. :lmao

This is AMD's 6

[baseline bum]

Just to further dance on AMD's grave, now Broadwell destroys all the AMD APUs for gaming on an IGP

http://media.bestofmicro.com/S/N/497399/original/14-IGP-Bioshock-Infinite.png

http://media.bestofmicro.com/S/K/497396/original/15-IGP-Half-Life-2.png

http://media.bestofmicro.com/T/J/497431/original/17-IGP-GTA-V.png

I think it's over for AMD.

[ElNono]

They'll be ok. Between the console hardware and the fact NVidia shouldn't want them to die and get anti-trust scrutiny, they'll survive.

They do need to do better.

[DJR210]

So is the TekSyndicate guy going to off himself at this news? What next? Zen in 2016 being comparable to an i3?

I think Cry Havoc is the TekSyndicate guy tbh

[baseline bum]

They'll be ok. Between the console hardware and the fact NVidia shouldn't want them to die and get anti-trust scrutiny, they'll survive.

They do need to do better.

I meant I think it's over for AMD being a viable performance option in GPUs like it is in CPUs. Nvidia won't kill them outright for the same reason Intel won't, like you said, so they're not legally a monopoly. But I guess Intel is eventually going to end up as Nvidia's real competition.

[baseline bum]

I think Cry Havoc is the TekSyndicate guy tbh

Nah, CH would never say the FX-8350 was a better gaming CPU than the i5-3570k man. And man, Cry is ducking this thread like cuck was with your mspaint one. :lol

Cry Havoc man, you still alive? AMD fan is still much higher than console peasant, we still got much love.

[baseline bum]

605938931448737792

Yeah, a new era with a bunch of fucking old cards :lol

[baseline bum]

Maybe I'm writing their epitaph too early. That is a giant fucking die there:

http://cdn3.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AMD-Fiji-GPU_3.jpg

[ElNono]

Supposedly that Fiji card can draw up to 375W:

http://www.hardwareluxx.com/index.php/news/hardware/vgacards/35572-computex-amd-fiji-aka-fury-x-slower-than-geforce-gtx-980-ti.html

That's fucking crazy. When the entire industry is optimizing performance per watt, these niggas are going the other way around :lol

I bet you the thermals are terrible too. Heck, I was checking the 295x2, and couldn't believe those things come with liquid coolers from the factory. Ridiculous.

[baseline bum]

Supposedly that Fiji card can draw up to 375W:

http://www.hardwareluxx.com/index.php/news/hardware/vgacards/35572-computex-amd-fiji-aka-fury-x-slower-than-geforce-gtx-980-ti.html

That's fucking crazy. When the entire industry is optimizing performance per watt, these niggas are going the other way around :lol

I bet you the thermals are terrible too. Heck, I was checking the 295x2, and couldn't believe those things come with liquid coolers from the factory. Ridiculous.

If that's really 375W with lower performance than a 980 Ti while using lower power HBM instead of GDDR5 that will be the epic fail of epic fails. But 375W just refers to using two 8-pin PCIE connectors (150W each) and the 75 W it can get from the PCIE slot. I have been reading it's a 300W card, which isn't a big deal since 980Ti isn't exactly efficient at 250W either.

[baseline bum]

Then again, drawing power usage conclusions from the pin layout doesn't make sense. The R9 295x2 goes way out of spec with only two 8-pin connectors considering it draws significantly more than 375W. The anandtech review has a 4960x system drawing almost 700W with a 295x2, and I doubt more than 250W of that is from the overclocked CPU.

[baseline bum]

You have to to think a lot of AMD going with a liquid cooler is them not wanting a repeat of the fiasco with the 290/290x reference coolers. The reference cooler was amazingly bad and ridiculously loud. Not FX-5800 loud, but still pretty awful. ElNono man, remember the good days at your old job with the FX-5800?

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/medium/2009/01/blower2.jpg

Back on topic though, the reference cooler on the 290/290x was so bad the core shot up to 94C immediately and then had to constantly throttle. And then Sapphire came out with the Tri-X cooler that keeps temperatures in the low 70C range with room temperature ambients.

The reference fail 290/290x
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7481/290Car_678x452.jpg

The awesome Tri-X 290/290x
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/R9-290-SAPPHIRE/R9-290-SAPPHIRE-1.jpg

Because of that awful reference cooler the 290/290x got reputations as being ridiculously hot and power hungry cards even though Nvidia 700 series were also. It's just they had a reasonable reference cooler. But I don't think there was a lot of difference when using quality aftermarket coolers.

[ElNono]

There's a reason to optimize energy efficiency (and thus, thermals), it's not just style points. The biggest roadblock to reduce nanometer process further is current leakage. If you're using inordinate amounts of power, you're not going to be able shrink your die, your thermals are only going to get worse (as you add more transistors to the same process). It basically doesn't scale.

Intel figured this out a long time ago, and starting with Sandy Bridge, it started to reduce power usage while shrinking the die (because that was the only way to go, raising the clock was no longer feasible). That's how you end up with a 4-core, hyperthreaded Core i7 consuming the same amount of power as a single core Pentium 4 from yesteryear. NVidia started with Maxwell, same reason.

AMD is going to have to head the same way, because making bulkier GPUs that cost more to cool down and don't outperform the competition doesn't sound like a winning strategy.

[baseline bum]

nm

[ElNono]

I actually caught your post before you edited it. Didn't know about the foundry issues, but makes sense. They really need to scale the process down.

[baseline bum]

I actually caught your post before you edited it. Didn't know about the foundry issues, but makes sense. They really need to scale the process down.

What do you think of the FinFET transistors AMD is trying to use at 16 nm for 2016? What advantage does it have over a traditional MOSFET? I don't understand how you can keep shrinking and slow current leakage at the same time, you're scaling the gate oxide thickness down too which makes quantum tunneling all the worse.

[ElNono]

What do you think of the FinFET transistors AMD is trying to use at 16 nm for 2016? What advantage does it have over a traditional MOSFET? I don't understand how you can keep shrinking and slow current leakage at the same time, you're scaling the gate oxide thickness down too which makes quantum tunneling all the worse.

FinFet deals, as you said, with the fact that if you shrink the MOSFET transistor gate electrode too much, the transistor efficiency just drops too much, and if you can't electrically control the gate with enough precision, you have to overshoot, which then causes current leak. So what they did is redesign the source, drain and electrode with a thin film to improve electrical control. The improved control can be built at a smaller scale and reduce current leak.

Here's a video that compares them and tries to put it in somewhat layman terms:
Jctk0DI7YP8

IIRC, Samsung already can build FinFet at 14nm. As usual, the question with these new designs and processes is what kind of yield they can get. The design itself is somewhat proven as it's based on a 90's single-gate transistor design (depleted lean channel transistor).

EDIT: FWIW, I read NVidia will be shipping cards with 16nm FinFet by the end of the year... they could also wait for Pascal..

[DJR210]

:lol is that AMD CEO male or female? God damn, no wonder they're failing, their CEO doesn't even know which direction "it's" going.

[baseline bum]

:lol is that AMD CEO male or female? God damn, no wonder they're failing, their CEO doesn't even know which direction "it's" going.

You're just figuring that out? :lol

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241539

Also, my main concern from that thread looks like it's justified :depressed


Hopefully the R9 390x lives up to the hype and doesn't end up being the kind of epic fail the FX-9590 was.

[baseline bum]

DJR210, you getting this shit?

http://i.imgur.com/frSqBW3.jpg

Let's hit Best Buy my ######.

[DJR210]

DJR210 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42671), you getting this shit?

http://i.imgur.com/frSqBW3.jpg

Let's hit Best Buy my ######.

I'd rather slice my urethra 50 times, and shoot lime juice and salt down the shaft than get that POS.

[baseline bum]

I'd rather slice my urethra 50 times, and shoot lime juice and salt down the shaft than get that POS.

:cry But but Mantle :cry

http://i.imgur.com/KaG0iui.jpg

[baseline bum]

:lol buying two to run in PoorFire
:lol another Graphics Poor Next 1.1 card
:lol PoorSync

[TDMVPDPOY]

how much do they retail for?

[DJR210]

:cry But but Mantle :cry

http://i.imgur.com/KaG0iui.jpg

:lmao

[baseline bum]

:lmao

LOL talking big about powering consoles to PC Master Race, like console peasant is going to drop $400 on your R9 290x rebrand. What a joke selling this with 8GB too, 8GB VRAM is for people running multiple 4k screens, but dual 290x in PoorFire is only capable of running a single 4k screen at a playable framerate.

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Tomb-Raider-4k.png

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/metro-last-light-4k2.png

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/rome-2-4k-ultra.png

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/watchdogs-4k.png

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/thief-4k.png

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/far-cry-3-4k.png

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/bf4.png

So what the fuck is the point of this card? You don't need 8GB to run a single screen in 4k, especially when you're not going to be able to run AA on any AAA game from 2012 or later.

[baseline bum]

I mean 290x 4GB for $280 is a pretty good deal, but 290x 8GB for $430 or whatever? Fuck that, the extra vram would be useful in a single game, Shadow of Mordor to run the ultra textures.

[baseline bum]

$450 for this bullshit :lmao
Holy fuck

6QdnMAfYHIQ

[baseline bum]

LOL that faggot thought he was getting the Fury X. Now that he realizes it's a rebranded 290x no benchmarks, he just dumped the motherfucker on eBay to see if someone similarly uninformed would buy it thinking it's the Fury X. :lmao

http://www.ebay.com/itm/XFX-DD-AMD-Radeon-R9-390x-Next-Generation-GPU-Brand-new-FAST-/351424758763?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51d28c43eb

[DJR210]

LOL that faggot thought he was getting the Fury X. Now that he realizes it's a rebranded 290x no benchmarks, he just dumped the motherfucker on eBay to see if someone similarly uninformed would buy it thinking it's the Fury X. :lmao

http://www.ebay.com/itm/XFX-DD-AMD-Radeon-R9-390x-Next-Generation-GPU-Brand-new-FAST-/351424758763?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51d28c43eb

Video removed by the user, he probably offed himself right after

[baseline bum]

Video removed by the user, he probably offed himself right after

Someone reposted it.

b3QuwujjIp8

[baseline bum]

Wow, what the fuck AMD?

http://i.imgur.com/O5PdGFI.jpg

$450 for a rebranded R9 290x? :lmao
$150 for a rebranded R7 260x? :lmao

[baseline bum]

DJR210, get in here and dance nigga!

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/lolcryhavoc_zps2d55dhl3.png

[baseline bum]

AMD isn't even sending review samples out for these shit 300 series and Fury cards. :lmao

This is Ubisoft level shit. :lmao

[baseline bum]

:lmao and R9 390x officially sucks BBC
:lmao my GTX 970 gets a higher graphics score on Firestrike for $140 less
:lmao uses 125W more power than my 970
:lmao allegedly loud as fuck
:lmao Firestrike recognizes the R9 390x as an R9 290x
:lmao They really are all rebrands, AMD really did it
:lmao Cry Havoc
:lmao DJR210 get your ass in here, this is fucking hilarious
:lmao $450 for a $270 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150696) card after they basically crossed out the 2 and changed it to a 3 on the box

6kEcbLRnbVI

[baseline bum]

Rebrand 9 300 series :lmao

[baseline bum]

At least they got this part of their advertising right

http://i.imgur.com/HKlOAfO.jpg

[DJR210]

At least they got this part of their advertising right

http://i.imgur.com/HKlOAfO.jpg

:lol 105 c

[baseline bum]

Damn Lisa Su knocked it out of the park in that presentation. The Fury looks to be a great deal if it's a 10% cutdown Fury X for $550 like they have done in the past with their flagships, and Nano being a 290x performer at half the power consumption looks like a great step for the company too. Cry Havoc must have a fucking rager after that. :lol

The 300 series rebrands still look like shit, but their new cards look like they might give the company hope to bounce back.

[baseline bum]

It's funny Lisa Su wanted to distance herself as far as possible from the R7/R9 300 series crap today.

[baseline bum]

You guys excited? That R9 300 series goes on sale tomorrow! You can pay $160 more for your R9 290x in a 390x box with 4GB of useless extra vram.

[baseline bum]

Well, AMD is shitting on me in this thread. :lol

The 390x with it's higher clocked memory is pretty much destroying 290x, at stock beating even 1500 MHz boost clock GTX 970, and not too far behind the GTX 980 in Firestrike.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_r9_390x_gaming_8g_oc_review,23.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_970_gaming_review,26.html

Probably still not quite worth that $430 price tag, though the 980 isn't worth the $500 MSRP either, and they have dropped TDP to 275W on the 390x also.

[baseline bum]

:lol So apparently the gains in the R9 390x vs R9 290x and so on came strictly from better drivers. :lol

E.g., if you hack your 290x to use 390x drivers it performs as well as the 390x. But you can't officially install them on the 290x.

This is some low shit by AMD, crippling 200 series performance through drivers and making you pay extra for the same cards now called the 300 series to get the good drivers.

[baseline bum]

Looks like the Fury X mostly is close to the 980 Ti at 4k, but the AMD drivers still cause it to lose out to weaker cards like the GTX 980 in heavily CPU bound games like Project Cars and WOW. So overall the 980 Ti looks like the superior card, especially if you get an aftermarket one like the MSI Gaming or Gigabyte Gaming. Pretty disappointing, this thing should be kicking the shit out of the 980 Ti if they want to sell it for $650 with 2GB less vram, especially considering you're not able to change voltage or memory clocks on the Fury X.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X/31.html


http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X/images/perfrel_3840.gif

[Cry Havoc]

Damn Lisa Su knocked it out of the park in that presentation. The Fury looks to be a great deal if it's a 10% cutdown Fury X for $550 like they have done in the past with their flagships, and Nano being a 290x performer at half the power consumption looks like a great step for the company too. Cry Havoc must have a fucking rager after that. :lol

The 300 series rebrands still look like shit, but their new cards look like they might give the company hope to bounce back.

I want to see real-world performance. I'm wary of any new cards after the last couple of generations.

Been out of the loop, just got back from Puerta Vallarta.

[baseline bum]

I want to see real-world performance. I'm wary of any new cards after the last couple of generations.

Been out of the loop, just got back from Puerta Vallarta.

The Fury X is supremely disappointing. Lisa Su kept talking about how they had the fastest GPU in the world, making people think Fury X was that, but in reality she had to be talking about the dual Fiji card. Check this benchmark, where the 980 Ti mostly beats the Fury X at 4k using almost best case settings for playing to the Fury X's strengths while diminishing the 980 Ti's, e.g., no hairworks on Witcher 3, using the 3GB textures instead of the 6GB textures for Shadow of Mordor, turning off AA in Tomb Raider, etc, and the 980 Ti still usually wins. With the upgraded memory bandwidth, 4096 cores, and a fucking water cooler I was expecting this to beat a reference 980 Ti by maybe 5%, not lose to it by 5%. Then if you factor overclocking in that gap between the two widens significantly.

gfK0Yr1xTFo

Looks like 2H 2015 will be every bit as ugly as 4Q 2014 and 1H 2015 were for AMD.

[baseline bum]

Amazing how quickly shit changes. A few months ago AMD was a no-brainer for every budget less than $330. But now the 200 series cards that were such values are basically gone. No more $250 R9 290 except for a couple of models only available at newegg, otherwise you're looking at $300 R9 290 or $330 R9 390, which don't compare favorably at all to $315 GTX 970. No more $200 R9 280x, that ship has sailed and you can't find them anymore except at inflated prices. The R9 280 is finally going out too, no more $160 R9 280 unless you get one of the last in stock at newegg right now.

In the ultra high end the Fury X is getting pretty soundly beat by aftermarket GTX 980 Ti, hell even by reference 980 Ti. In the high end the R9 390x is only $70 cheaper than the GTX 980 despite having no overclocking headroom and still losing to reference 980, while the 980 still has pretty large overclocking headroom. R9 390 can't beat GTX 970 and costs $15 more. R9 380 is more expensive than the GTX 960 for the same performance with an i5 or better CPU, and much worse with any lower CPU than that.

Any lower than R9 380/GTX 960 and you're looking at real budget stuff, which means you're likely running a budget CPU like Pentium/i3/FX-6300/FX-4300/Athlon 860k/A10 APU/etc. In which case Nvidia smashes AMD due to DirectX 11 driver overhead. So essentially AMD screwed themselves out of the low end market by creating Mantle, which forced Nvidia to greatly improve their DirectX 11 driver overhead while AMD ignored it in favor of their new API. Now R7 370 and R7 360 make no sense over GTX 750 Ti, and will really make no sense when Nvidia releases the GTX 950 Ti soon as a cut down 960 to fill that $150 price point.

AMD's graphics lineup is truly fucked for 2H 2015, I can't think of a single card that makes any sense to recommend unless Nano gets a really competitive price when it launches.

[TDMVPDPOY]

so what card do you recommend? in these price brackets?

150-250?
250-350?

[baseline bum]

so what card do you recommend? in these price brackets?

150-250?
250-350?

At $150 I'd advise you to go fuck your mother some more.

[DJR210]

At $150 I'd advise you to go fuck your mother some more.

:lol

[Cry Havoc]

https://youtu.be/k9cKZiJw6Pk

Pretty impressive. Looks like AMD's 390 is the real deal.

[baseline bum]

https://youtu.be/k9cKZiJw6Pk

Pretty impressive. Looks like AMD's 390 is the real deal.

Nice that it outperforms a 970, but I suspect it will keep the $300 price crown for only 3 months or so and then Nvidia will rebrand the 980 as an X70 and take that price point back.

[baseline bum]

Holy shit, ElNono followed through with his youtube hardware channel, and also reviewed the 300 series.

VrzktcQ5TH4

[ElNono]

Holy shit, ElNono followed through with his youtube hardware channel, and also reviewed the 300 series.

VrzktcQ5TH4

:lol damn, he looks like he's gonna pull some bbq wings at any time...

[Cry Havoc]

Holy shit, ElNono followed through with his youtube hardware channel, and also reviewed the 300 series.

VrzktcQ5TH4

:rollin

[DJR210]

Holy shit, ElNono followed through with his youtube hardware channel, and also reviewed the 300 series.

VrzktcQ5TH4

Manu shrine in the background

[baseline bum]

Looks like the $500 AMD Fury is indeed a 980 killer. Time for Nvidia to drop the 980 to $430 or so.

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[Cry Havoc]

So, I was dead set on a 390 or 390x.


Then on Amazon I saw an aftermarket R290 from Asus for... $203.

Needless to say, that card will be here on Friday. :danceclub

[baseline bum]

So, I was dead set on a 390 or 390x.


Then on Amazon I saw an aftermarket R290 from Asus for... $203.

Needless to say, that card will be here on Friday. :danceclub

Dude, you might try to cancel that order. There's a reason the Asus is so cheap, the DirectCU II cooler is terrible on the R9 290. Supposedly some of the heatpipes don't make contact with the core, like the original EVGA ACX on the 970. The difference is it doesn't limit the 970 since the cooler is way overbuilt for it, but it can be a problem with Hawaii which needs all the heat dissipation it can get. I read tons of complaints with that hitting 94C like the reference models, the 290s to get are the Sapphire Tri-X, the Sapphire Vapor X, or the PowerColor PCS+.

Here is a photo showing two of the heatpipes not contacting the core. They just slapped on a cooler made for larger die Nvidia chips.
http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/743/7431790/2769719-2335351215-radeo.jpg

Tom's Hardware confirms they just slapped their 780 Ti cooler on the R9 290.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-and-290x,3728-6.html

If you get a decently binned chip it should run in the 80s mostly, but if you get a lousy one out of the silicon lottery, that cooler can't handle it well.

I wouldn't buy any AMD card right now until the Fury (non X) releases, that thing slaughters the 980 for $50 more.

[Cry Havoc]

Dude, you might try to cancel that order. There's a reason the Asus is so cheap, the DirectCU II cooler is terrible on the R9 290. Supposedly some of the heatpipes don't make contact with the core, like the original EVGA ACX on the 970. The difference is it doesn't limit the 970 since the cooler is way overbuilt for it, but it can be a problem with Hawaii which needs all the heat dissipation it can get. I read tons of complaints with that hitting 94C like the reference models, the 290s to get are the Sapphire Tri-X, the Sapphire Vapor X, or the PowerColor PCS+.

Here is a photo showing two of the heatpipes not contacting the core. They just slapped on a cooler made for larger die Nvidia chips.
http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/743/7431790/2769719-2335351215-radeo.jpg

Tom's Hardware confirms they just slapped their 780 Ti cooler on the R9 290.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-and-290x,3728-6.html

If you get a decently binned chip it should run in the 80s mostly, but if you get a lousy one out of the silicon lottery, that cooler can't handle it well.

I wouldn't buy any AMD card right now until the Fury (non X) releases, that thing slaughters the 980 for $50 more.

Haha, I already cancelled the order but thanks for the info.


I found a Opened box/new AMD Sapphire 290x for $230 with prime shipping. Fucking sick.

[baseline bum]

Haha, I already cancelled the order but thanks for the info.


I found a Opened box/new AMD Sapphire 290x for $230 with prime shipping. Fucking sick.

Is it a Tri-X or Vapor-X? Those things are fucking awesome. The only aftermarket cooler as good as those is probably the MSI Gaming one from the 390/390x.

[Cry Havoc]

Is it a Tri-X or Vapor-X? Those things are fucking awesome. The only aftermarket cooler as good as those is probably the MSI Gaming one from the 390/390x.

http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-21226-00-53G/dp/B00GRNUNQU/ref=sr_1_11?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1436974530&sr=1-11&keywords=r9+290x

This is the exact card. Not a tri-x unfortunately but it has really good reviews on the 'zon.

[baseline bum]

http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-21226-00-53G/dp/B00GRNUNQU/ref=sr_1_11?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1436974530&sr=1-11&keywords=r9+290x

This is the exact card. Not a tri-x unfortunately but it has really good reviews on the 'zon.

Ah man, you got a reference 290x??? I hope you're trolling man. :lol

Reference 290/290x goes straight to 94C and throttles like hell. If you're planning on putting say an NZXT Kraken G10 with a watercooler then buying reference makes sense, but otherwise that's the worst performing 290x and it's really loud.

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[baseline bum]

Don't get me wrong, even a reference 290x still performs like a fucking monster. But that reference cooler was so bad AMD didn't even make reference 390/390x.

[Cry Havoc]

Don't get me wrong, even a reference 290x still performs like a fucking monster. But that reference cooler was so bad AMD didn't even make reference 390/390x.

I read a bunch of reviews before ordering. I have excellent caseflow, and a lot of users said the temps never got near 90. We'll see how it fares. Even if I have to put a cooler on it, it's still a ridiculous deal.

[baseline bum]

I read a bunch of reviews before ordering. I have excellent caseflow, and a lot of users said the temps never got near 90. We'll see how it fares. Even if I have to put a cooler on it, it's still a ridiculous deal.

You might keep below 90 on the standard BIOS on stock clocks, but if you switch on the Uber BIOS it's most likely 94C all the way. But if you put a Kraken G10 block and a 120mm rad closed water loop that card will really be a fucking monster. Hawaii is a pretty amazing GPU that should have seen much wider adoption if it wasn't for the fucking mining craze driving Hawaii prices through the roof last year.

[Cry Havoc]

You might keep below 90 on the standard BIOS on stock clocks, but if you switch on the Uber BIOS it's most likely 94C all the way. But if you put a Kraken G10 block and a 120mm rad closed water loop that card will really be a fucking monster. Hawaii is a pretty amazing GPU that should have seen much wider adoption if it wasn't for the fucking mining craze driving Hawaii prices through the roof last year.

It's going to be a monster either way. Without the Kraken it's just a very very loud, hot monster. :lol

Stock 290x's run every game @ 1080p on ultra settings. I don't anticipate OCing it for a year or more, so we'll see how my temperatures run on stock.

[baseline bum]

It's going to be a monster either way. Without the Kraken it's just a very very loud, hot monster. :lol

Stock 290x's run every game @ 1080p on ultra settings. I don't anticipate OCing it for a year or more, so we'll see how my temperatures run on stock.

You can probably downsample from 1440p in quite a few games too. I put a lot of my games on 1440p and downsample to 1080p and still get a locked 60 fps with my 970, and the 970 and 290x perform pretty closely at 1080p and 1440p. Right off the top of my head, stuff like Bioshock Infinite, Far Cry 3, Tomb Raider, NBA 2k15, COD Advanced Warfare, Skyrim all easily run 1440p ultra downsampled to 1080p with DSR at 60 fps. Newer games like Dying Light, Far Cry 4, and GTA V I just have to run 1080p though, to get a locked 60 fps in 1440p would require dropping some settings.

It's crazy not to overclock GPUs from the beginning though. The first year you have it is by far the best year you'll get out of it, technology advances way faster in GPUs than say CPUs, and unlike with CPUs, overclocking your GPU gives pretty big benefits from the beginning.

[Cry Havoc]

You can probably downsample from 1440p in quite a few games too. I put a lot of my games on 1440p and downsample to 1080p and still get a locked 60 fps with my 970, and the 970 and 290x perform pretty closely at 1080p and 1440p. Right off the top of my head, stuff like Bioshock Infinite, Far Cry 3, Tomb Raider, NBA 2k15, COD Advanced Warfare, Skyrim all easily run 1440p ultra downsampled to 1080p with DSR at 60 fps. Newer games like Dying Light, Far Cry 4, and GTA V I just have to run 1080p though, to get a locked 60 fps in 1440p would require dropping some settings.

It's crazy not to overclock GPUs from the beginning though. The first year you have it is by far the best year you'll get out of it, technology advances way faster in GPUs than say CPUs, and unlike with CPUs, overclocking your GPU gives pretty big benefits from the beginning.

Well, as of now for $230 I got a massive step up in power. I could have spent more but the 290x is all the card I feel I'll need for a while. I'll probably replace it maybe in 18 months or 24 months down the road depending on how it does with the Oculus. As of now, there's nothing in that realm of pricing I can see that would give the 290x a run for it's money, OCed or not. So even if I bought a card for $250 with lots of OC potential, it would still get donked by the 290x at stock.

It does suck about the stock cooler though. We'll see how well it works on my setup.

[baseline bum]

Well, as of now for $230 I got a massive step up in power. I could have spent more but the 290x is all the card I feel I'll need for a while. I'll probably replace it maybe in 18 months or 24 months down the road depending on how it does with the Oculus. As of now, there's nothing in that realm of pricing I can see that would give the 290x a run for it's money, OCed or not. So even if I bought a card for $250 with lots of OC potential, it would still get donked by the 290x at stock.

It does suck about the stock cooler though. We'll see how well it works on my setup.

Aftermarket 290s like the Tri-X, Vapor-X, and PCS+ usually perform at the same level as a reference 290x. The thermal throttling definitely causes the reference cards to lose performance, but reference 290x performance is still enough to crush everything but Witcher 3 at 1080p veryhigh/ultra 60 fps. Three weeks ago you could have gotten the Sapphire Tri-X R9 290 for about $250 though, that was by far the best bang for the buck card I have seen this year. But I knew those wouldn't last long with the 300 series coming out.

[Cry Havoc]

Aftermarket 290s like the Tri-X, Vapor-X, and PCS+ usually perform at the same level as a reference 290x. The thermal throttling definitely causes the reference cards to lose performance, but reference 290x performance is still enough to crush everything but Witcher 3 at 1080p veryhigh/ultra 60 fps. Three weeks ago you could have gotten the Sapphire Tri-X R9 290 for about $250 though, that was by far the best bang for the buck card I have seen this year. But I knew those wouldn't last long with the 300 series coming out.

Yeah. But with a bit of investment I could get a cooler on the 290x and then really have a beast. I'm pretty psyched to have a top tier card for under 250.

[baseline bum]

Yeah. But with a bit of investment I could get a cooler on the 290x and then really have a beast. I'm pretty psyched to have a top tier card for under 250.

Yeah man, locked 60 fps gaming is pretty fucking sweet. I don't think I could go back to PoorStation or ShitBox after getting used to 60 fps.

[Cry Havoc]

Yeah man, locked 60 fps gaming is pretty fucking sweet. I don't think I could go back to PoorStation or ShitBox after getting used to 60 fps.

And Amazon decided to futz around with my order long enough that a good deal on a new card dropped.

http://slickdeals.net/f/7992957-sapphire-radeon-r9-290x-4gb-tri-x-oc-video-card-dirt-rally-digital-download-260-after-rebate-free-s-amp-h

Boom. $260 for a new Tri-X WITH Dirt Rally. Yeah, baby.

[baseline bum]

And Amazon decided to futz around with my order long enough that a good deal on a new card dropped.

http://slickdeals.net/f/7992957-sapphire-radeon-r9-290x-4gb-tri-x-oc-video-card-dirt-rally-digital-download-260-after-rebate-free-s-amp-h

Boom. $260 for a new Tri-X WITH Dirt Rally. Yeah, baby.

Shit, you cancelled it and got the Tri-X? Fucking nice, I saw that deal earlier today but didn't want to post it here because no one likes seeing a better deal on something right after they buy. :lol

That's probably the second best 290x on the market, and the first hasn't been made for months (the Vapor-X) unless you were willing to spend the premium for 8GB of VRAM, which is stupid anyways unless you're doing a multicard 4k setup.

That is a fucking insanely good deal. Hell, a Tri-X 290 is a great deal at $260, but a fucking Tri-X 290x at 290 prices? Tri-X basically eliminates temperature from ever limiting your overclocks and it's a really quiet card.

[Cry Havoc]

Shit, you cancelled it and got the Tri-X? Fucking nice, I saw that deal earlier today but didn't want to post it here because no one likes seeing a better deal on something right after they buy. :lol

That's probably the second best 290x on the market, and the first hasn't been made for months (the Vapor-X) unless you were willing to spend the premium for 8GB of VRAM, which is stupid anyways unless you're doing a multicard 4k setup.

That is a fucking insanely good deal. Hell, a Tri-X 290 is a great deal at $260, but a fucking Tri-X 290x at 290 prices? Tri-X basically eliminates temperature from ever limiting your overclocks and it's a really quiet card.

Yep. Amazon took 6 days to ship the other card for some reason, so I didn't feel bad at all about canceling it. Apparently this is the 2nd gen of tri-x 290x that incorporates some really cool tech into the architecture to reduce power consumption and help cooling.

[baseline bum]

Yep. Amazon took 6 days to ship the other card for some reason, so I didn't feel bad at all about canceling it. Apparently this is the 2nd gen of tri-x 290x that incorporates some really cool tech into the architecture to reduce power consumption and help cooling.

Honestly, I'd rather pay $280 for a Tri-X R9 290 than $230 for a reference 290x. But 290x Tri-X at $260 is a no-brainer, especially since newegg will probably have that fucker to your apartment by Thursday if it's UPS Ground or FedEx Ground.

[Cry Havoc]

Honestly, I'd rather pay $280 for a Tri-X R9 290 than $230 for a reference 290x. But 290x Tri-X at $260 is a no-brainer, especially since newegg will probably have that fucker to your apartment by Thursday if it's UPS Ground or FedEx Ground.

Dirt Rally is a nice bonus, as I was on the verge of purchasing that game already.

If you aren't gaming the outer fans shut off to preserve energy use and noise levels. I'm pretty psyched.

[baseline bum]

Dirt Rally is a nice bonus, as I was on the verge of purchasing that game already.

If you aren't gaming the outer fans shut off to preserve energy use and noise levels. I'm pretty psyched.

LOL that 290x didn't even last a day before selling out. Glad you got in on it in time. :tu

That is a fucking monster of a card and I would have jumped on that in a second if I was in the market for a GPU. That has to be the best deal I have seen on a graphics card since I first started getting back into PC gaming last year.

[Cry Havoc]

LOL that 290x didn't even last a day before selling out. Glad you got in on it in time. :tu

That is a fucking monster of a card and I would have jumped on that in a second if I was in the market for a GPU. That has to be the best deal I have seen on a graphics card since I first started getting back into PC gaming last year.

I'm pretty fucking stoked. Going to crank Metro 2033 redux to ultra and just revel in the gfx. Yee-haw.

[Cry Havoc]

Drove to UPS to get it this morning.

Shadow of Mordor looks spectacular on ultra.

[baseline bum]

Drove to UPS to get it this morning.

Shadow of Mordor looks spectacular on ultra.

GTA V, Witcher 3, Arma III, Ryse Son of Rome, Dragon Age Inquisition, Tomb Raider, and Dying Light are way more impressive graphically IMO. Check that shit on your 290x. Especially DAI since it has Mantle support.

[Cry Havoc]

GTA V, Witcher 3, Arma III, Ryse Son of Rome, Dragon Age Inquisition, Tomb Raider, and Dying Light are way more impressive graphically IMO. Check that shit on your 290x. Especially DAI since it has Mantle support.

Oh hell yeah, I didn't even think about Dying Light. Gonna have to check that out now.

[Cry Havoc]

Star Citizen runs on high beautifully and smooth as butter, except when ships warp in. That game is absolutely incredible just to stare at.

[baseline bum]

Star Citizen runs on high beautifully and smooth as butter, except when ships warp in. That game is absolutely incredible just to stare at.

Get Witcher 3 bro. Not only are the graphics amazing, the fucking gameplay is outstanding. The fighting is way more fun than even in other A+ RPGs like Skyrim or Dragon Age Inquisition thanks to the dodges, dives, parrying, bombs, and signs. It's definitely harder than Skyrim or DAI though. I haven't played enough of Witcher 2 to say whether it's at the same difficulty as that though.

[Cry Havoc]

Get Witcher 3 bro. Not only are the graphics amazing, the fucking gameplay is outstanding. The fighting is way more fun than even in other A+ RPGs like Skyrim or Dragon Age Inquisition thanks to the dodges, dives, parrying, bombs, and signs. It's definitely harder than Skyrim or DAI though. I haven't played enough of Witcher 2 to say whether it's at the same difficulty as that though.

I have it, a friend actually gave it to me, but I want to get through Witcher 2 first.

[baseline bum]

I have it, a friend actually gave it to me, but I want to get through Witcher 2 first.

I'm definitely going to play 2 later on, 3 is so fucking great.

[baseline bum]

So AseTek won a patent infringement judgement forcing Cooler Master to quit selling their liquid AIO coolers based on the AseTek coolers in the US. So maybe the R9 Fury X is done in the US market too, since Cooler Master supplies AseTek style coolers to AMD for the Fury X.

[baseline bum]

AseTek is going to really have AMD over a barrel here. You know they're not going to give AMD a good price to manufacture the coolers after they went to Cooler Master first. And AMD can't raise the price to compensate, because even at $650 the Fury X is a very hard sell already when you can get the better performing GTX 980 Ti for that price. The Fury X has been nothing but a disaster for AMD. They initially thought they could sell this card for $850 to compete with the Titan X, Nvidia swooped in and released the 980 Ti like 3 days before the Fury X was supposed to launch and at $650 while offering $1000 Titan X performance, and now the card is probably dead in the water until they either use one of AseTek's coolers or Cooler Master redesigns their cooler to put the pump elsewhere. Just not a good couple of years for AMD now.

[baseline bum]

Damn Nvidia is getting wrecked by AMD in the Battlefront beta. And damn, this is in DX11, not 12.

NMnpknaAq0g

[DJR210]

Damn.. Game looks sick.. Should have got the beta

[baseline bum]

Damn.. Game looks sick.. Should have got the beta

Damn though, $60, no SP campaign, and then a $50 season pass.

[DJR210]

Wouldn't play SP anyway.. The season pass sucks because it divides the community with the maps.. You have to buy that shit on PC or you'll be in dead rooms.

[Cry Havoc]

Damn though, $60, no SP campaign, and then a $50 season pass.

I've heard it's insanely boring and repetitive.

[baseline bum]

:lol AMD
:lol Cry Havoc
DJR210 get in here

The game definitely looks CPU bound with how close the 970, 980, and 980 Ti are bunched up even with a 5930k they test with, which rapes AMD since they have high DirectX11 overhead.

http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2015/game-bench/fallout-4-gpu-bench-1080-ultra.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15wOp7_dD8E

[Cry Havoc]

:lol AMD
:lol Cry Havoc
DJR210 get in here

The game definitely looks CPU bound with how close the 970, 980, and 980 Ti are bunched up even with a 5930k they test with, which rapes AMD since they have high DirectX11 overhead.

http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2015/game-bench/fallout-4-gpu-bench-1080-ultra.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15wOp7_dD8E

:lol First of all, no Fury or FuryX cards to compare. Secondly, the 290x is 9 FPS lower than a 980? That's terrible for AMD in your opinion? Lastly, this game is obviously terribly optimized even for a D11x game. Wait until some drivers come out to take advantage of it, and then we'll see where the scores lie. Atm though there isn't a great difference between any of the top/2nd tier cards except for the reference card, which is $650. :lol Shocking that it outperforms everything else when AMD's best cards aren't tested on this.

[baseline bum]

:lol First of all, no Fury or FuryX cards to compare. Secondly, the 290x is 9 FPS lower than a 980? That's terrible for AMD in your opinion? Lastly, this game is obviously terribly optimized even for a D11x game. Wait until some drivers come out to take advantage of it, and then we'll see where the scores lie. Atm though there isn't a great difference between any of the top/2nd tier cards except for the reference card, which is $650. :lol Shocking that it outperforms everything else when AMD's best cards aren't tested on this.

Dude, it's pretty bad that a $430 R9 390x is getting beat by a $330 GTX 970.

[Cry Havoc]

Also, it's known that Nvidia has an edge at 1080p.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2177-fallout-4-pc-video-card-fps-benchmark-all-resolutions


http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2015/game-bench/fallout-4-gpu-bench-4k-ultra.png

http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2015/game-bench/fallout-4-gpu-bench-1440-ultra.png

http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2015/game-bench/fallout-4-gpu-bench-1080-ultra.png

[Cry Havoc]

Dude, it's pretty bad that a $430 R9 390x is getting beat by a $330 GTX 970.

Well, there are benchmarks out there where a 290x beats a 980. It's very game dependent right now. I'm happy that my $240 card will run FO4 on ultra. :bobo

[baseline bum]

Well, there are benchmarks out there where a 290x beats a 980. It's very game dependent right now. I'm happy that my $240 card will run FO4 on ultra. :bobo

You gonna get this? I'm still playing New Vegas so it might be a few weeks still for me.

[baseline bum]

Looks like the 980 Ti smashes the Fury X on 1440p since they're powerful enough that the DX11 cpu bottleneck with AMD cards shows up, but they're pretty much the same at 4k where cpus tend not to matter too much.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cng9qm62k0s

[baseline bum]

ElNono man, I saw your video today, but that sucks you didn't get a reviewer's sample so you can't get your performance review in until tomorrow. :cry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FesO1-_K-rA

[Cry Havoc]

You gonna get this? I'm still playing New Vegas so it might be a few weeks still for me.

I preordered the pip boy edition but I'll probably flip it. Haha.

[ElNono]

:lmao that triple chin

Nigga, I've been eating nothing but turkey, fish and salad since I had that health incident, I'm walking 2-3 miles a day and lost 12 lbs since. Still has some more to go...

[ElNono]

Also, I saw the Fallout 4 Steam preloads a couple days ago. Is the crack out yet?

[Cry Havoc]

Looks like the 980 Ti smashes the Fury X on 1440p since they're powerful enough that the DX11 cpu bottleneck with AMD cards shows up, but they're pretty much the same at 4k where cpus tend not to matter too much.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cng9qm62k0s

Yeah, the 980 TI is a monster. It even does pretty well with Dx12. No question that Nvidia currently holds the top performance card.

Dx12 really could be the game changer though. We'll see.

[DJR210]

ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) man, I saw your video today, but that sucks you didn't get a reviewer's sample so you can't get your performance review in until tomorrow. :cry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FesO1-_K-rA

Good video ElNono :tu

[DJR210]

:lmao that triple chin

Nigga, I've been eating nothing but turkey, fish and salad since I had that health incident, I'm walking 2-3 miles a day and lost 12 lbs since. Still has some more to go...

Good to hear you're doing better.. What happened? Beetus got you by the balls?

I was drinking a Monster a day at the office for productivity, and ended up getting reamed by the doc when she saw my blood sugar levels.. Quit the Monsters cold turkey and my sugar is back to normal within a couple of months.. Fucking energy drinks are terrible.

[ElNono]

Good to hear you're doing better.. What happened? Beetus got you by the balls?

I was drinking a Monster a day at the office for productivity, and ended up getting reamed by the doc when she saw my blood sugar levels.. Quit the Monsters cold turkey and my sugar is back to normal within a couple of months.. Fucking energy drinks are terrible.

Yup, blood sugar dropped to 30, ER dude didn't know how I didn't pass out... I was driving and luckily pulled over before it got really bad. Never had an issue before, and doc said it's not beetus according to the blood tests, there's no history of it in the family either. Levels are normal again now, and I'm on a diet + exercise. The only other option according to doc is a benign tumor on the pancreas, but it's really rare. I'm just getting on with the program and see what happens. I get a ton of fatigue too sometimes, but it might all be related due to the anxiety/shock preventing sleep sometimes. Never had a health issue before this, didn't take any meds, etc.

Vitals all look good now though, taking some melatonin to sleep better and doc said shit will get better once I lose some more weight, so we'll see. Scary shit to tell my wife to call 911, don't wish it on anybody, tbh

[DJR210]

Yup, blood sugar dropped to 30, ER dude didn't know how I didn't pass out... I was driving and luckily pulled over before it got really bad. Never had an issue before, and doc said it's not beetus according to the blood tests, there's no history of it in the family either. Levels are normal again now, and I'm on a diet + exercise. The only other option according to doc is a benign tumor on the pancreas, but it's really rare. I'm just getting on with the program and see what happens. I get a ton of fatigue too sometimes, but it might all be related due to the anxiety/shock preventing sleep sometimes. Never had a health issue before this, didn't take any meds, etc.

Vitals all look good now though, taking some melatonin to sleep better and doc said shit will get better once I lose some more weight, so we'll see. Scary shit to tell my wife to call 911, don't wish it on anybody, tbh

Yeah, getting older sucks. All you can do is eat right and excercise.

[ElNono]

Yeah, getting older sucks. All you can do is eat right and excercise.

I stopped doing exercise a while ago and got into the American diet. Bad choices, tbh... luckily, it appears I caught this on time.

[Cry Havoc]

Yup, blood sugar dropped to 30, ER dude didn't know how I didn't pass out... I was driving and luckily pulled over before it got really bad. Never had an issue before, and doc said it's not beetus according to the blood tests, there's no history of it in the family either. Levels are normal again now, and I'm on a diet + exercise. The only other option according to doc is a benign tumor on the pancreas, but it's really rare. I'm just getting on with the program and see what happens. I get a ton of fatigue too sometimes, but it might all be related due to the anxiety/shock preventing sleep sometimes. Never had a health issue before this, didn't take any meds, etc.

Vitals all look good now though, taking some melatonin to sleep better and doc said shit will get better once I lose some more weight, so we'll see. Scary shit to tell my wife to call 911, don't wish it on anybody, tbh

Damn dude. Take care of yourself. :(

[ElNono]

Damn dude. Take care of yourself. :(

Thanks. I'm doing a lot better right now, lost 12 lbs already in like 3 weeks. I do think I still have some anxiety here or there, shit like this will mess with your head at least for a while.

[DJR210]

Thanks. I'm doing a lot better right now, lost 12 lbs already in like 3 weeks. I do think I still have some anxiety here or there, shit like this will mess with your head at least for a while.

:lol don't smoke weed the anxiety gets way worse

[ElNono]

:lol don't smoke weed the anxiety gets way worse

:lol I'm already having a hard time getting away from the nicotine in my e-cig, tho I know I gotta do it.

[Cry Havoc]

Thanks. I'm doing a lot better right now, lost 12 lbs already in like 3 weeks. I do think I still have some anxiety here or there, shit like this will mess with your head at least for a while.

Running has helped me a lot with that stuff. I run almost every day these days.

[baseline bum]

:lol don't smoke weed the anxiety gets way worse

Or buy better weed tbh

[baseline bum]

Yup, blood sugar dropped to 30, ER dude didn't know how I didn't pass out... I was driving and luckily pulled over before it got really bad. Never had an issue before, and doc said it's not beetus according to the blood tests, there's no history of it in the family either. Levels are normal again now, and I'm on a diet + exercise. The only other option according to doc is a benign tumor on the pancreas, but it's really rare. I'm just getting on with the program and see what happens. I get a ton of fatigue too sometimes, but it might all be related due to the anxiety/shock preventing sleep sometimes. Never had a health issue before this, didn't take any meds, etc.

Vitals all look good now though, taking some melatonin to sleep better and doc said shit will get better once I lose some more weight, so we'll see. Scary shit to tell my wife to call 911, don't wish it on anybody, tbh

Shit man, glad your Mexican ass is ok.

[DJR210]

Or buy better weed tbh

:lol better weed will magnify it even more

[baseline bum]

LOL AMD

http://i.imgur.com/70EXiQd.jpg

[resistanze]

Played the first 20 min on Asus GTX 970, 1080p Ultra. Fuck work :cry

[Cry Havoc]

Still on the fence about flipping my pip boy edition. Would make for a sweet Halloween costume. :lol

[DJR210]

Time to upgrade my 680 :cry

Running on medium is not something I'm going to tolerate. Damn Bethesda games and their forced V-Sync too :bang

[baseline bum]

Time to upgrade my 680 :cry

Running on medium is not something I'm going to tolerate. Damn Bethesda games and their forced V-Sync too :bang

Wow, I saw a benchmark with the 390x and 770 performing alike, and 770 is just an overclocked 680 right? Or maybe it was 290 and 770. Do you have the newest driver that was released yesterday? It's supposed to run pretty well on a 770 from what I have heard.

Are you running your CPU overclocked? Because Fallout 4 is really CPU bound from benchmarks I have seen. Are you getting 99% gpu usage? Because I have heard one of the biggest performance killers is having shadow distance cranked up. Also there is basically no difference in texture settings other than vram usage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USaYD-FZQ04

[baseline bum]

God damn I want that Fallout edition 970 now that I have a case with a window. :lol

:cry Fuck, I have an EVGA 970 but not the one that backplate fits on (I have the original SC version and the Fallout edition is the SSC), so I just can't go buy that backplate on ebay either. :cry

But that would be beyond retarded to run two 970s for 1080p on a 60 Hz monitor, and I'm not buying a new monitor until one of GSync and FreeSync kills off the other.

[baseline bum]

Real talk though DJR210, I would absolutely not buy a new GPU in your shoes. With Pascal releasing in 2016 and with a node shrink to 14 nm from 28 nm as well as HBM2 vram, you could be looking at Pascal being a pretty huge jump up in power. Think of how huge a jump the 680 at 28 nm was over the 480/580 at 40 nm. The 580 was basically irrelevant overnight, and 680 wasn't even supposed to be their 80 series Kepler gpu initially. The 680 was originally going to be their 670 but it was beating AMD's flagship 7970 so they released it as the 680 and sat on the 780. So really the node shrink should be thought of as 480/580 at 40 nm vs 780/Titan at 28 nm.

[baseline bum]

Also I think there is a way to turn off FO4's vsync in the ini files. I don't think they tied physics to the framerate like they did in Skyrim.

[DJR210]

Wow, I saw a benchmark with the 390x and 770 performing alike, and 770 is just an overclocked 680 right? Or maybe it was 290 and 770. Do you have the newest driver that was released yesterday? It's supposed to run pretty well on a 770 from what I have heard.

Are you running your CPU overclocked? Because Fallout 4 is really CPU bound from benchmarks I have seen. Are you getting 99% gpu usage? Because I have heard one of the biggest performance killers is having shadow distance cranked up. Also there is basically no difference in texture settings other than vram usage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USaYD-FZQ04

I need to upgrade the drivers, I have the second newest ones. Yeah my CPU is at 4.5 ghz at the moment. My shadows are on medium. VRAM for me is no issue, I've yet to see it pass 2 GB so far.

As for ini, yeah you can unlock the FPS but it makes the shitty Gamebryo engine shit the bed when I try and turn on. G-Sync.

[baseline bum]

I need to upgrade the drivers, I have the second newest ones. Yeah my CPU is at 4.5 ghz at the moment. My shadows are on medium. VRAM for me is no issue, I've yet to see it pass 2 GB so far.

As for ini, yeah you can unlock the FPS but it makes the shitty Gamebryo engine shit the bed when I try and turn on. G-Sync.

Damn ElNono says his 4.9 GHz i5-6600k is a bottleneck in his Fallout 4 performance guide, and that it plays way better with his i7.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ojEukUj94

This kind of shit is why I was happy as hell to sell my i5 for the price I got and upgrade to a Xeon. Lots of games are designed for console first and consoles have eight really weak cores, so you had to think eventually pc games were going to want to scale across 8 hardware threads also due to lazy ports from console. It makes you think the higher end shit like the 5820k is going to be the way to go.

[ElNono]

tbh, it runs great on my i5 3.3 ghz and 960 with the latest NVidia drivers...

Granted, if you compare the graphics to Witcher 3, it's shit, even on Ultra, and I can see that kind of complaints... but frankly, the game plays great so far...

[resistanze]

Yeah I just kept this shit locked to 60FPS, as I'm playing it on my 48" TV.

[Cry Havoc]

I'm guessing that in the somewhat near future, FO4 will be much better optimized and playable for lower tier cards and ultra won't be the drag on top end systems that it is now.

Flipped by Pip Boy Edition for $207. :tu

[DJR210]

:lmao Valve
:lmao Steambox
:lmao Steam controller
:lmao Linux
:lmao "up to 30 FPS slower than Windows 10 on the same hardware"
:lmao Linux was supposed to streamline running apps and services to free up more power
:lmao waste of money

[baseline bum]

:lmao Valve
:lmao Steambox
:lmao Steam controller
:lmao Linux
:lmao "up to 30 FPS slower than Windows 10 on the same hardware"
:lmao Linux was supposed to streamline running apps and services to free up more power
:lmao waste of money

It's a combination of drivers and somehow Valve really fucked up their SteamOS builds. An OS like Ubuntu will still take quite a hit compared to Windows since OpenGL isn't anywhere near as efficient as DirectX and since OpenGL drivers aren't a huge priority now like they were 15 years ago when all the fps games were written in OpenGL, but it doesn't take the enormous performance hit you're seeing in SteamOS. Nevertheless, the only chance Linux has right now is Vulkan. You have to be retarded to be an early adopter for SteamBox and it's most likely going to die a quick death, as I doubt Vulkan is going to be able to displace DirectX 12. I would love to not have to pay the Windows tax though, as I strongly prefer Linux to Windows for ease of use and security and wouldn't use Windows if it wasn't for the enormous advantage it has in gaming.