DK not retiring those 2years

[TDMVPDPOY]

if he didnt retire...is rockets less 2 rings or DK will be 3-2 or 5 straight rings?

ppl talk about brons 5 straight finals appearances...which could end up being 3-2 or 2-3

what was jordans record like h2h against hakeem anyway...

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"retiring" is much too kind of you. He was thrown out for a year.

[jeebus]

8 titles in a row, easy. GOAT couldn't be stopped in his prime, unlike some balding cuck who switches teams to ride coattails to the Finals in the easy conference.

[RsxPiimp]

"retiring" is much too kind of you. He was thrown out for a year.

This

[Caltex2]

"retiring" is much too kind of you. He was thrown out for a year.

I can just buy that he stepped away from the game for a while and used baseball as an alibi to explain why he was leaving. His dad died only a month before his first retirement, I'd imagine one way or another (personal reasoning or pressure from the NBA, if not both) he wouldn't want that cloud hanging over his head, as he was already, arguably, the most publicized and pressured person on the planet. He, and the NBA as well, probably didn't want to deal with questions over his gambling, gambling debts and the shady characters who he dealt with and the ones who killed his father. When it all died down some, he stopped pretending to like baseball and became emotionally healed, then came back to the NBA.

As for the OP, remember that not only did the Bulls have trouble with the Rockets in the 90's but the Bulls had to retool their roster. Virtually the only similarity between the first 3-peat Bulls and second was the coach and top two stars. Horace Grant but no Jordan in '94. Jordan, but no Grant in '95 (he was on the team that eliminated in '95).

[baseline bum]

They stomp the Rockets in 94, but even if they keep Grant I don't see them beating the 95 Rockets with Drexler on board.

[Caltex2]

They'd have had to get past the Knicks and Pacers. One thing that people don't factor in is that they played a lot of basketball from 1989-1993. Jordan and Pippen played 3-4 rounds of the playoffs each year and a Summer Olympic Games. That's a lot of wear and tear and it would have added up more had they played yet another 3 rounds to get to the 1994 NBA Finals against a nemesis.

[ambchang]

Grant was fed up with the Bulls at that point. He hated Jordan, who was treating him as a whipping boy, and felt disrespected by management for the contract dispute.

Which means in 94 and 95, there wouldn't be anyone guarding Hakeem. Hakeem went off for 35ppg on Robinson, and 33ppg on Shaq and Grant doubles, he would average 45ppg vs. the Bulls.

The Bulls would likely be able to shut down the 3 pt shooters on the Rockets to a degree, but Pippen and Jordan can only cover so much ground, and the Rockets have 4 to 5 players who can take and nail open 3 pters.

Maxwell guarded Jordan reasonably well, but no one will be able to guard Pippen. In 95, Drexler will likely be on Pippen (he couldn't guard Jordan in his prime, forget about it in 95) and noone can guard Jordan.

That said, the Bulls usually struggle against teams with dominant bigs (pushed to 7 by the Ewing Knicks, couldn't contain Rik Smits), and the defenses back in the day weren't focused on stopping the 3.

I'd say the Bulls would have made it to the finals (the East wasn't that good), but ultimately fall to the Rockets.

[baseline bum]

Grant was fed up with the Bulls at that point. He hated Jordan, who was treating him as a whipping boy, and felt disrespected by management for the contract dispute.

Which means in 94 and 95, there wouldn't be anyone guarding Hakeem. Hakeem went off for 35ppg on Robinson, and 33ppg on Shaq and Grant doubles, he would average 45ppg vs. the Bulls.

The Bulls would likely be able to shut down the 3 pt shooters on the Rockets to a degree, but Pippen and Jordan can only cover so much ground, and the Rockets have 4 to 5 players who can take and nail open 3 pters.

Maxwell guarded Jordan reasonably well, but no one will be able to guard Pippen. In 95, Drexler will likely be on Pippen (he couldn't guard Jordan in his prime, forget about it in 95) and noone can guard Jordan.

That said, the Bulls usually struggle against teams with dominant bigs (pushed to 7 by the Ewing Knicks, couldn't contain Rik Smits), and the defenses back in the day weren't focused on stopping the 3.

I'd say the Bulls would have made it to the finals (the East wasn't that good), but ultimately fall to the Rockets.

Grant was still on the team in 94.

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Grant was still on the team in 94.

Hold on a sec,,,I'm gettin' my Brownie.

[Splits]

Hold on a sec,,,I'm gettin' my Brownie.

Is that when you have no more briefs that aren't shitstained?

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Is that when you have no more briefs that aren't shitstained?

No, that's when I get my Brownie Camera to snap a pic of Amb getting his wrong cherry.

[Clipper Nation]

Hakeem would have sprayed wet shit all over DK's overrated legacy, two years in a row.

[ambchang]

Grant was still on the team in 94.

My fault. That would apply to 95 then.

Regardless, Grant couldn't hold Hakeem under 35ppg even with Shaq doubling, Hakeem would still kill the Bulls front line.

[Sean Cagney]

Hakeem would have sprayed wet shit all over DK's overrated legacy, two years in a row.

95 maybe, 94 the team that almost lost to the Knicks in 7, NO.

[Caltex2]

95 maybe, 94 the team that almost lost to the Knicks in 7, NO.

Horrible logic, the '94 team was better than the '95 team. The '95 team got rolling late but that was in part due to the fact that the Magic got rattled after losing Game 1 the way they did. The '94 team was consistently good, other than losing the opening games of the series at home to the Suns and enduring the Choke City moniker.

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My fault.

tee, hee.

[ambchang]

tee, hee.

Overjoyed with it, aren't you?
Would be nice if you actually had some sort of logical argument that would prove me wrong though.

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Overjoyed with it, aren't you?

Absolutely.

[Brazil]

Absolutely.

:lol

my nigghhhh tbh

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my nigghhhh tbh

:lol The bum caught him. I was just pagin' thru the shit this morning when I spotted it.

the bum

[Brazil]

:lol The bum caught him. I was just pagin' thru the shit this morning when I spotted it.

the bum

it's always a joy to spot a kid with his hand in a bag of candies going for the steal tbh

[ambchang]

Absolutely.

Didn't know I broke you so bad that you have to resort to this.

I didn't mean it.

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Didn't know I broke you so bad that you have to resort to this.

I didn't mean it.

You didn't break me. I saw your need and acquiesced.

[Sean Cagney]

Horrible logic, the '94 team was better than the '95 team. The '95 team got rolling late but that was in part due to the fact that the Magic got rattled after losing Game 1 the way hey did. The '94 team was consistently good, other than losing the opening games of the series at home to the Suns and enduring the Choke City moniker.

You acting like the Bulls who routinely owned the Knicks had no shot vs Houston sounds a little homerish to me, then again you are a Houston fan. The Bulls in that era were good enough to beat anyone, to say so is downplaying them.

[davethedope]

They stomp the Rockets in 94, but even if they keep Grant I don't see them beating the 95 Rockets with Drexler on board.

^this but I think 94 would've gone 7 games, and Rockets would've been in it and possibly won. It's hard to picture Jordan losing two straight finals but it was possible.

[davethedope]

You acting like the Bulls who routinely owned the Knicks had no shot vs Houston sounds a little homerish to me, then again you are a Houston fan. The Bulls in that era were good enough to beat anyone, to say so is downplaying them.

It wasn't an "owning". The Knicks routinely failed to achieve, and the Bulls, not just Jordan, executed.

[baseline bum]

Horrible logic, the '94 team was better than the '95 team. The '95 team got rolling late but that was in part due to the fact that the Magic got rattled after losing Game 1 the way hey did. The '94 team was consistently good, other than losing the opening games of the series at home to the Suns and enduring the Choke City moniker.

Are you serious? That 94 team was constantly blowing big leads in the playoffs. The 95 team may have looked like shit in the regular season, but Drexler made them a nightmare matchup in the playoffs, no longer the one man Olajuwon show. The 95 Rockets were one of the strongest teams of the nineties, I'd take them over most of the Bulls title teams based on the competition they went through. The 94 Rockets are one of the weakest title teams I have ever seen, they needed 7 to beat a lousy Knicks team with Ewing shooting 36%.

[baseline bum]

95 maybe, 94 the team that almost lost to the Knicks in 7, NO.

Yeah, 94? They came one block from losing to a Knicks team with Ewing just shitting himself all series. Starks gets that three off and it's goodnight Houston in six.

[Sean Cagney]

Yeah, 94? They came one block from losing to a Knicks team with Ewing just shitting himself all series. Starks gets that three off and it's goodnight Houston in six.

Yep, the Knicks were up 3-2 going home and choked. Starks shot 2-17 in game 7 (Which was not the whole story because in game 6 he was great but gets the blame). I agree on Goodnight Houston in 6 if he gets it off, this dude above is trying to tell me that this team was dominant when the Suns took them 7 (Actually choked a 3-1 lead) and this one goes 7 and they could have lost to the Knicks that they could have beaten the Bulls? I don't think so. 95 Houston with Hakeem in GOD mode had a shot because Bulls had nothing to counter that, then again Jordan was nothing to be messed with either in the Finals when he was on his A game (He just found a way to beat you).

[Sean Cagney]

Are you serious? That 94 team was constantly blowing big leads in the playoffs. The 95 team may have looked like shit in the regular season, but Drexler made them a nightmare matchup in the playoffs, no longer the one man Olajuwon show. The 95 Rockets were one of the strongest teams of the nineties, I'd take them over most of the Bulls title teams based on the competition they went through. The 94 Rockets are one of the weakest title teams I have ever seen, they needed 7 to beat a lousy Knicks team with Ewing shooting 36%.

I agree, that is why I called him a homer for saying that 94 team and asking me if I was serious trying to convince me otherwise. The 94 team was better during the year yes, but in the playoffs they almost lost to the Suns team and could have lost to the Knicks team in the finals (Hardly head above heals on competition). The 95 team when they got it together later was a different demon, period.


It wasn't an "owning". The Knicks routinely failed to achieve, and the Bulls, not just Jordan, executed.

Jordan owned the Knicks man, he played great at MSG routinely. The Knicks did their fair share of choking fair enough but man the Bulls had their # in the playoffs.

[davethedope]

Jordan owned the Knicks man, he played great at MSG routinely. The Knicks did their fair share of choking fair enough but man the Bulls had their # in the playoffs.

Ok... I stand corrected.:king

[JoeTait75]

The difference between Cavaliers fans and Knicks fans is that Cavaliers fans have no trouble admitting their team was MJ's bottom bitch. :lol

[davethedope]

The difference between Cavaliers fans and Knicks fans is that Cavaliers fans have no trouble admitting their team was MJ's bottom bitch. :lol

First of all I saw those games. Second, Cleveland has no pride in any sport, so it's moot. You're used to that shit.

[unleashbaynes]

You didn't break me. I saw your need and acquiesced.

awesome word.

[Caltex2]

You acting like the Bulls who routinely owned the Knicks had no shot vs Houston sounds a little homerish to me, then again you are a Houston fan. The Bulls in that era were good enough to beat anyone, to say so is downplaying them.

No I'm not, I'm just saying that them nearly losing to the Knicks doesn't mean they're worse than the '95 team. The '95 team suffered some injuries but was worse in many ways (no Otis Thorpe versus an over the hill Clyde the Glide for example). The '95 team, with that said, had arguably the greatest playoff run of all-time.

[baseline bum]

No I'm not, I'm just saying that them nearly losing to the Knicks doesn't mean they're worse than the '95 team. The '95 team suffered some injuries but was worse in many ways (no Otis Thorpe versus an over the hill Clyde the Glide for example). The '95 team, with that said, had arguably the greatest playoff run of all-time.

You always judge a team by the playoffs and not the regular season. You gonna tell me the 2000 Lakers were better than the 2001 Lakers?

[Caltex2]

Are you serious? That 94 team was constantly blowing big leads in the playoffs. The 95 team may have looked like shit in the regular season, but Drexler made them a nightmare matchup in the playoffs, no longer the one man Olajuwon show. The 95 Rockets were one of the strongest teams of the nineties, I'd take them over most of the Bulls title teams based on the competition they went through. The 94 Rockets are one of the weakest title teams I have ever seen, they needed 7 to beat a lousy Knicks team with Ewing shooting 36%.

Please, the '95 team was one of the most clutch teams of the 90's but they got run off the floor entirely too many times to be called one of the best teams of the 90's and better than some of the Bulls teams. They had tough competition, having to go up against at least 6 notable Hall-of-Famers not including Tom Chambers and Penny Hardaway but if they were so good, they shouldn't have needed to come back so many times and get run by 10+ points so many times.

[Caltex2]

You always judge a team by the playoffs and not the regular season. You gonna tell me the 2000 Lakers were better than the 2001 Lakers?

Yes, teams hit peaks and valleys. Anyone can catch lightning in a bottle at the right time in the post-season, look at George Mason and VCU. Heck, look at the '95 Rockets.

[ambchang]

You didn't break me. I saw your need and acquiesced.

What was my need? I have a need so you took joy in me having a mistake?

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What was my need? I have a need so you took joy in me having a mistake?

Not to kneel before me at fault.

Presently you could & did before the bum.

[ambchang]

Not to kneel before me at fault.

Presently you could & did before the bum.

Are you and bum the same person?

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Are you and bum the same person?

We're not going back to the 100 questions days with you, amb.

You wouldn't kneel before me at fault, I acquiesced.

You knelt before the bum at fault. I laughed.

[ambchang]

We're not going back to the 100 questions days with you, amb.

You wouldn't kneel before me at fault, I acquiesced.

You knelt before the bum at fault. I laughed.

Which did jive with:


You didn't break me. I saw your need and acquiesced.

There was no need.