Breaking Down Danny Green's Fascinating Free Agent Case

[wildbill2u]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2473263-breaking-down-danny-greens-fascinating-free-agent-case?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=san-antonio-spurs

Long article with the good and the bad of his game, gm comments about his fit away from the Spurs system, and some discussion on the problem the Spurs will have in keeping him --along with other key players like Kwahi--and still be under the cap.

A Natinonal NBA columnist's take that sorta hits all the bases in one article.

[BillMc]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2473263-breaking-down-danny-greens-fascinating-free-agent-case?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=san-antonio-spurs

Long article with the good and the bad of his game, gm comments about his fit away from the Spurs system, and some discussion on the problem the Spurs will have in keeping him --along with other key players like Kwahi--and still be under the cap.

A Natinonal NBA columnist's take that sorta hits all the bases in one article.

Yeah. Really nice summary. Thanks for posting. :toast

I'm really worried we'll lose Green. I think with Belli being probably gone, Joseph being possibly gone, and Manu retiring or continuing to decline that we can't afford to lose any more wings, especially such a good 3 and D guy. I guess LA would be worth it, but it makes me nervous...

[Dex]

Yeah. Really nice summary. Thanks for posting. :toast

I'm really worried we'll lose Green. I think with Belli being probably gone, Joseph being possibly gone, and Manu retiring or continuing to decline that we can't afford to lose any more wings, especially such a good 3 and D guy. I guess LA would be worth it, but it makes me nervous...

My big fear is that the Spurs spend too much time dicking around with Aldridge, Green decides to sign elsewhere, then LA ends up somewhere else anyways.

As you mentioned, then our wings potentially get gutted, and we'll have to settle for some average talent on the FA market to replace it.

[pgardn]

We have more important decisions before him.
I think this sums it up:

Green could be the good soldier and wait for the dust to settle before making his move. But suitors might come calling before the Spurs can get around to him.

[BillMc]

My big fear is that the Spurs spend too much time dicking around with Aldridge, Green decides to sign elsewhere, then LA ends up somewhere else anyways.

As you mentioned, then our wings potentially get gutted, and we'll have to settle for some average talent on the FA market to replace it.

Yeah, that's my fear too. I trust in RC to read the tea leaves and not get us into that situation, but nobody is infallible.

[tholdren]

We have more important decisions before him.
I think this sums it up:

Green could be the good soldier and wait for the dust to settle before making his move. But suitors might come calling before the Spurs can get around to him.

Then it comes down to character issues. Either you play for a team that saved you and you have loyalty. Or you chase money. Green is a sketchy person in my mind. This will be his turning point. Either he will be loved and adored by Spurs fans everywhere, for being patient and possibly giving the home-town discount. Or he will be another money chasing player.

He may want to speak with Pau Gasol before he makes up his mind.

[monkeypunk]

He may want to speak with Pau Gasol before he makes up his mind.

Or Gary Neal or Steven Jackson.

[cjw]

being patient and possibly giving the home-town discount.

I don't even think he needs to give a huge hometown discount. I think it's just having the faith that other business needs to be taken care of first while his cap hold is lower, and that gives him a better shot of winning another title.

[ace3g]

Certainly a few players like Green available this offseason. Interesting to see who sets the market value first.

[Biernutz]

Look for Marc Cuban to make a run at all the Spurs free agents. He can't beat us on the
court so he will try to beat us with $$$$$$........I still think Danny will end with the Knicks.....

[maverick1948]

If someone else offers him 10-12 mil he will be gone. I dont think the Spurs will match that much.

As for LA, he will get the offer day 1. If he waits too long to answer, Spurs and other teams will move on. He may be top PF out there but there are others at a lesser price.

[hater]

My big fear is that the Spurs spend too much time dicking around with Aldridge, Green decides to sign elsewhere, then LA ends up somewhere else anyways.

As you mentioned, then our wings potentially get gutted, and we'll have to settle for some average talent on the FA market to replace it.

Losing Green and not landing Alridge is almost a certainty. So not sure you should worry about it tbh :lol


It would take a small miracle to not lose Green. And mother Teresa rising from the dead to land Lamar

[Dex]

Losing Green and not landing Alridge is almost a certainty. So not sure you should worry about it tbh :lol


It would take a small miracle to not lose Green. And mother Teresa rising from the dead to land Lamar

Great. :makemyday

[RD2191]

get ready for a dubs 3peat if the spurs lose danny green

[look_at_g_shred]

get ready for a dubs 3peat if the spurs lose danny green

[therealtruth]

get ready for a dubs 3peat if the spurs lose danny green

There's no way the dubs can repeat if the Spurs can't figure out how to.

[wildbill2u]

This will be the most difficult off=season I can remember. So many moving parts--player demands, money cap, new talent, old talent, retirements. RC, the scouting staff, and Pop have their work cut out for them.

If everything goes perfect, we might have another good shot at a title, but it would be so easy for the whole thing to blow up and the team become a remnant of what it has been.

And even a pretty good offseason is going to be subject to a hell of a lot of criticism if fans don't get their favorite players retained or, like most every year, the FA market of premier player possibilities like LA turns out to be a bust again.

The only way I can see for the best result to occur is if Holt decides to pony up and pay some luxury tax money in order to make the roster work in this transition year. I think we went slightly over the cap a few years ago, but this time he would take a big hit to make everything work. He's been able to take his share of other teams taxes over the years so maybe he put some away for a rainy day. This year it's gonna be the perfect storm.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I don't see why it's such a big deal if he gets a ~$10 million per year with the cap spike coming. Is there any huge negative of coming to a handshake agreement and holding off signing on the dotted line, like what the plan is with Kawhi? It seems like the only reason why people say they won't match is because of their personal assessment of Green's market value, or because of the luxury tax. While I obviously don't have a position in the organization, keeping a contending team together and paying the tax once seems clearly worth it.

[Malik Hairston]

The 300+ attempts/40+ % playoff 3-point shooting club:

http://i58.tinypic.com/2w4is7t.png

[rmt]

I rather keep DG than try for Gasol/Aldridge. It's a pipe dream that either big comes to SAS. Green, otoh, knows and loves SAS. Spurs need an elite perimeter defender (with Curry, Paul, Westbrook, etc) more than they need a big. Splitter just has to remain healthy. SAS's bigs are fine until Duncan hangs them up. There's no one who can replace TD especially at that price.

[Mikeanaro]

Big deal, AFAIK Porker still plays for the Spurs so we are fucked even with the dream team playing for us.

[tholdren]

The 300+ attempts/40+ % playoff 3-point shooting club:

http://i58.tinypic.com/2w4is7t.png

Means nothing. He shot 30 percent this year in the playoffs.

[Seventyniner]

The 300+ attempts/40+ % playoff 3-point shooting club:

http://i58.tinypic.com/2w4is7t.png

You've been making the point that Green is one of the all-time great playoff shooters and you're absolutely right. 42.9% on 4.6 attempts a game is almost godly. He's also the best defender on that list, though I expect vehement disagreement here on that point.

[Mikeanaro]

You've been making the point that Green is one of the all-time great playoff shooters and you're absolutely right. 42.9% on 4.6 attempts a game is almost godly. He's also the best defender on that list, though I expect vehement disagreement here on that point.
Not a better defender than Bowen.

[spursncowboys]

As a huge spurs fan, I wouldn't have any problem with him going after big money. 28 this might be his only time to cash in. Plus he could just as easily be traded after next season. But I hope he stays and solidifies himself as the new Bowen.

[wildbill2u]

I rather keep DG than try for Gasol/Aldridge. It's a pipe dream that either big comes to SAS. Green, otoh, knows and loves SAS. Spurs need an elite perimeter defender (with Curry, Paul, Westbrook, etc) more than they need a big. Splitter just has to remain healthy. SAS's bigs are fine until Duncan hangs them up. There's no one who c .an replace TD especially at that price.



I tend to agreee that we don't really NEED a big this year if Duncan comes back and Splitter, Baynes can back him up.

But, If we somehow got LA that would be neat and we'd have the best front line that money can buy. But that would also change how we play from a motion offense built around our perimeter shooters to more of an inside game--otherwise why bring another big like LA in. I suppose it would be because he's a FA and might have some interest in coming here but it would truly be a change to a front line game.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Of course, the question is how much? The good thing is his salary won't be as much of a cap hit since resigning him means Bird rights.

However, DG is a decent defender but let's not act like he's shutdown. Given his lack of height (6'6") to defend SFs and lack of lateral quickness for defending PGs, he's really just a SG.

To me, the decision to keep him depends on whether Pop is willing to tweak the offense (ie. convince Parker to pass more and/or change the scheme completely) to utilize him more and make him primary instead of ancillary. Essentially, when does this team become his and Kawhi's?

[Chinook]

However, DG is a decent defender but let's not act like he's shutdown. Given his lack of height (6'6") to defend SFs and lack of lateral quickness for defending PGs, he's really just a SG.

I remember reading somewhere the average height of NBA SFs was under 6-6. Even so, we're talking about him giving up an inch on Kawhi, so it's not like there's a huge height difference there. And Green has already defended the best point guards in the league with great success. His lateral quickness is just fine. Not to mention that he puts up awesome defensive metrics as an SF. You can argue that he's more of a forward than a guard anyway (was a PF most of college).

[tholdren]

I remember reading somewhere the average height of NBA SFs was under 6-6. Even so, we're talking about him giving up an inch on Kawhi, so it's not like there's a huge height difference there. And Green has already defended the best point guards in the league with great success. His lateral quickness is just fine. Not to mention that he puts up awesome defensive metrics as an SF. You can argue that he's more of a forward than a guard anyway (was a PF most of college).

Right. He is so athletic he can defend any player in the game... yet he cant get past anyone on offense. Wonder why that is?

[Chinook]

Right. He is so athletic he can defend any player in the game... yet he cant get past anyone on offense. Wonder why that is?

Because he doesn't have to dribble when moving defensively. Was that supposed to be a compelling question or something?

[Malik Hairston]

Because he doesn't have to dribble when moving defensively. Was that supposed to be a compelling question or something?

:lmao

[wildbill2u]

His inconsistencies aren't just in shooting. At times his focus on defense seems to disappear as well and he just goes through the motions. I have no clue as to why he can't keep his head in the game on defense. Shooting comes and goes, but any coach will tell you that playing good to great defense is simply focus and effort and can bail you out whenever you're not shooting well.

[tholdren]

Because he doesn't have to dribble when moving defensively. Was that supposed to be a compelling question or something?

Nope. Rhetoric. Seems odd to be athletic but can't create. Who are the other extremely athletic perimeter players who cannot get by defenders and only have an assisted jumper?

[Sean Cagney]

I rather keep DG than try for Gasol/Aldridge. It's a pipe dream that either big comes to SAS. Green, otoh, knows and loves SAS. Spurs need an elite perimeter defender (with Curry, Paul, Westbrook, etc) more than they need a big. Splitter just has to remain healthy.
I agree but the last part there is a pipe dream as well, he never stays healthy.

[james evans]

If someone else offers him 10-12 mil he will be gone. I dont think the Spurs will match that much.

As for LA, he will get the offer day 1. If he waits too long to answer, Spurs and other teams will move on. He may be top PF out there but there are others at a lesser price.
who the hell is gonna offer danny green 10-12 million as a spot up 3 point shooter and after his performance in the playoffs? the spurs need to stop overpaying these players. splitter, ginobli, PARKER!!!. If someone signs him for 10-12 million, he'll get bounced from team to team like jimmy jackson until the contract is up

[palangi]

Look for Marc Cuban to make a run at all the Spurs free agents. He can't beat us on the
court so he will try to beat us with $$$$$$........I still think Danny will end with the Knicks.....

If that's the case I would like to see a sign and trade for Tim Hardaway

[Taking it to the Hole]

I hope we can keep Danny Green. I think PATFO know that getting him resigned is a priority because he is such a big piece of what the Spurs do. Reliable shooters and solid defenders are hard to come by alone much less in one package. I say give the guy what he wants. He has earned his next contract. Aldridge or Gasol would be nice but we all know the chances of getting either of those two is pretty slim so focus on keeping the core group together and let go of dead weight at the end of the bench. Signing Bellinelli for insurance would be a plus but do not think that is going to happen.

[therealtruth]

What happened to the Spurs player development? DG is capable of playing a greater role.

[TheCerebral1]

He'll be our starting SG, when camp breaks. I don't see him leaving. I could be wrong, but he got his break here and his title. In another year this could be his, Kawhi and Aldridge's team.

[timtonymanu]

Keep him.

Idiots like tholdren who are stuck in the old era of basketball don't watch basketball correctly.

[tholdren]

Keep him.

Idiots like tholdren who are stuck in the old era of basketball don't watch basketball correctly.

Lol don't watch basketball correctly.

[Agloco]

He's also the best defender on that list, though I expect vehement disagreement here on that point.

As well you should. :lol

[DPG21920]

Lol don't watch basketball correctly.

It's not that you don't watch it correctly. It's just hard to fit a big enough tv into your ass where your head is planted tbh..

[coachmac87]

People are sold on keeping Green because they don't know or have another option to replace him either on their mind or in front of them to see or realize. Well the Spurs do.....and I expect they will make the best choice to improve the roster. If that includes Green or Aldridge or even both we will see...

[MI21]

Asking people to evaluate the skills, importance and overall effect Danny Green has on the Spurs is a good way to weed out those that just parrot mainstream media opinion from those that can actually watch games and understand what is going on and form an opinion from that...

[Beaverfuzz]

Big deal, AFAIK Porker still plays for the Spurs so we are fucked even with the dream team playing for us.


:bobo

[Vic Petro]

Is it normal for soon-to-be free agent to continue doing charity work with his (potentially) ex-teammates?

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[Sean Cagney]

He'll be our starting SG, when camp breaks. I don't see him leaving. I could be wrong, but he got his break here and his title. In another year this could be his, Kawhi and Aldridge's team.

Can they keep him, Kawhi and get LA though? That would be a hell of a price tag for all three and they would have to lose some parts.

[tholdren]

Asking people to evaluate the skills, importance and overall effect Danny Green has on the Spurs is a good way to weed out those that just parrot mainstream media opinion from those that can actually watch games and understand what is going on and form an opinion from that...

Asking die-hard player fans to evaluate how Green sucked the life out of SA this playoffs is a good way to weed out people who dont know how to run a business.

Look, no one is stating that Green is terrible, but he's a role player. Spending over 10 million for him, if it prevents growth of the franchise, is nearsighted and stupid. It would be a similar to the tony or tiago contracts in the aspect that overpaying for players who dont have the ability to contribute in EVERY situation, and only contribute in LIMITED situations.

I would be shocked to hear a spurs fan say, "I would hate to have the same roster PLUS one of LMA/GASOL/MILSAP, the difference is, I believe, that some of the fans are thinking either or.

To me Danny isnt hungry. He played defense a couple games in the playoffs, and that isnt acceptable. If you're a starter or get major minutes in the playoffs 2 things shouldnt happen:

1. You take plays off - he did
2. You let bench players come up bigger than you (especially in a contract year) - he did

8 million - bring him back. I wouldnt swap him for Pat, and possibly not Marco.

The only thing worse than the fan you are describing, is the fan who says that every player Spurs have is the best, and every decision made by the FO is the best. It's a middle ground. Green, like Parker, and Tiago, and KL for several games were non-factors. I dont see how you can make cases for more money if they dont hold up their end when it matters.

[pad300]

Asking die-hard player fans to evaluate how Green sucked the life out of SA this playoffs is a good way to weed out people who dont know how to run a business.

Look, no one is stating that Green is terrible, but he's a role player. Spending over 10 million for him, if it prevents growth of the franchise, is nearsighted and stupid. It would be a similar to the tony or tiago contracts in the aspect that overpaying for players who dont have the ability to contribute in EVERY situation, and only contribute in LIMITED situations.

I would be shocked to hear a spurs fan say, "I would hate to have the same roster PLUS one of LMA/GASOL/MILSAP, the difference is, I believe, that some of the fans are thinking either or.

To me Danny isnt hungry. He played defense a couple games in the playoffs, and that isnt acceptable. If you're a starter or get major minutes in the playoffs 2 things shouldnt happen:

1. You take plays off - he did
2. You let bench players come up bigger than you (especially in a contract year) - he did

8 million - bring him back. I wouldnt swap him for Pat, and possibly not Marco.

The only thing worse than the fan you are describing, is the fan who says that every player Spurs have is the best, and every decision made by the FO is the best. It's a middle ground. Green, like Parker, and Tiago, and KL for several games were non-factors. I dont see how you can make cases for more money if they dont hold up their end when it matters.

I have bolded a couple of key items where you're just WRONG.

1) $10 Million annual, with the new TV deal, is going to be roughly the MLE. For a starter level guy, which Danny has DONE for the last 3 years, that's appropriate money. It won't "prevent growth of the Franchise". Hell, by some statistical assesments (RPM, WAR, WP48), he's one of the top 5 shooting guards in the NBA! For the future MLE, that'll be a steal.

2) "I wouldnt swap him for Pat, and possibly not Marco." I'm pretty sure that no GM in the NBA agrees with you; neither do I. Patty is a good player, but he doesn't eat the minutes Green does. Marco can get hot, but he can't come close to filling Danny's shoes.