Old but Balls: 'I'll Debate GOP Candidates Before the Primary

[boutons_deux]

Bernie Sanders' Bold Debate Proposal: 'I'll Debate GOP Candidates Before the Primary
Bernie Sanders would like to shake up the 2016 presidential campaign by having debates with Republicans before either party select their nominee, he told MSNBC Tuesday.


“I will tell you why… the Republicans get away with murder,” he replied (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sanders-i-want-to-debate-gopers-before-general-election-they-get-away-with-murder/) to host Rachel Maddow, when asked about debating Republicans.

“They have an absolutely reactionary agenda,” he said. “They may vary a little bit from this candidate to the other, but basically what these guys are about is huge tax breaks for billionaires, massive cuts in Medicare, Medicaid, education, nutrition, environmental programs. And clearly, some of the Republican candidates, like Jeb Bush and Chris Christie, have talked about—they want to cut Social Security.”

“Now they get away with that stuff because a lot of people don’t know what they are talking about,” Sanders continued (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sanders-i-want-to-debate-gopers-before-general-election-they-get-away-with-murder/), making the case for debates. “If we can confront them and debate issues, rather than allow the media to get into political gossip and polling and fundraising, but talk about the issues, I think their agenda does not reflect more than 15 or 20 percent of the American people.”

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-bold-debate-proposal-ill-debate-gop-candidates-primary?akid=13177.187590.YQ3R6n&rd=1&src=newsletter1037324&t=7

Will any of the dickless, ball-less wimps on the Repug side take up SOCIALIST Bernie's challenge?

[CosmicCowboy]

Fuck Bernie Sanders. He is as irrelevant to election 2016 as Donald Trump.

[boutons_deux]

Fuck Bernie Sanders. He is as irrelevant to election 2016 as Donald Trump.

he's making waves, and will pull Hillary to the left, at least in the campaign. She'll be center-right in office, but of course if Dems don't win House and Senate, she'll be harmless.

ALL of the Repug losers are irrelevant.

[CosmicCowboy]

Bernie Sanders won't pull Hillary to the left. Again, he is totally irrelevant and she knows it. she knows that when she inevitably gets the nomination the far left will still hold their noses and vote for her as the lesser of their perceived evils.

[boutons_deux]

Bernie's positions, like Warren's, attack inequality

Inequality a Major Issue for Americans, Times/CBS Poll Finds

The poll found that a strong majority say that wealth should be more evenly divided and that it is a problem that should be addressed urgently.

Nearly six in 10 Americans said government should do more to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor, but they split sharply along partisan lines.

Only one-third of Republicans supported a more active government role, versus eight in 10 of Democrats.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/business/inequality-a-major-issue-for-americans-times-cbs-poll-finds.html?_r=1

Of course, Repugs voters, the party exclusively of the wealthy whites, would not want inequality lessened.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Socialism doesn't do jack shit to make society more "equal." Never has, never will. Bernie is a faggot.

[TeyshaBlue]

Sanders rousing the rabble per par.

[Th'Pusher]

:lmao Socialism doesn't do jack shit to make society more "equal." Never has, never will. Bernie is a faggot.
Has a libertarian society ever existed?

[boutons_deux]

:lmao Socialism doesn't do jack shit to make society more "equal." Never has, never will. Bernie is a faggot.

USA style of capitalism screws the 99%

social democracies in other industrial countries working a lot better than USA's kleptocratic corporatocracy.

[Blizzardwizard]

Fuck Bernie Sanders. He is as irrelevant to election 2016 as Donald Trump.

GOP running scurred, none of their shit candidates could touch Sanders in any debate about literally anything :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

USA style of capitalism screws the 99%

social democracies in other industrial countries working a lot better than USA's kleptocratic corporatocracy.
Examples?

[Blizzardwizard]

:lmao Socialism doesn't do jack shit to make society more "equal." Never has, never will. Bernie is a faggot.

Let me guess, Libertarian's will make change, totally not conservative hacks :lol

[Blizzardwizard]

Will any of the dickless, ball-less wimps on the Repug side take up SOCIALIST Bernie's challenge?



GOP candidates can't say shit when they've got the money of their wealthy donors jammed down their throat. They've all done a good job so far of completely evading Sanders and only talking about Hillary.

[boutons_deux]

only talking about Hillary.

... and Slick Willy

[boutons_deux]

Surprise! Poll shows most Republicans don't want policies doing anything about wealth inequality (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/04/1390524/-Surprise-Poll-shows-most-Republicans-don-t-want-policies-doing-anything-about-wealth-inequality)


http://images.dailykos.com/images/146695/large/Screen_Shot_2015-06-04_at_8.11.46_AM.png?1433430730

Washington Post/ABC News poll (http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/06/03/National-Politics/Polling/question_15679.xml?uuid=vyIumAnfEeWVHo4VCQ1krg):

"Do you think the federal government should or should not pursue policies that try to reduce the gap between wealthy and less well-off Americans?"


With the gap between the rich and poor reaching levels unseen in generations, it’s an important area of debate and I’m glad the poll included it. What’s more, the results were pretty one-sided: among all American adults, 62% believe the government should try to reduce the wealth gap, while only 31% believe otherwise. That’s a 2-to-1 advantage.What’s more, support for action in this area is quite broad. A majority of Americans regardless of race, for example, support actions to reduce the wealth gap.

A majority of Americans regardless of age agree. Indeed, across the board—gender, level of education, household income, geographic region—there’s a broad consensus that this is an issue worthy of national action.


But the Republican majority rejects the idea.

Conservatives reject the idea.

And white Christian evangelicals reject the idea.

As Benen points out, while Republicans are obviously out of touch with most Americans on this issue, they are in touch with their base, the people who will eagerly vote in the primaries for candidates who not only oppose reducing inequality but also support policies that worsen it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/04/1390524/-Surprise-Poll-shows-most-Republicans-don-t-want-policies-doing-anything-about-wealth-inequality?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29#

Repugnants, the party of wealthy white sociopaths, racists, Bible humpers, gun fellators, etc.

[Clipper Nation]

Examples?
Well, there's the Nordic model that will collapse by 2030 due to a lack of investment or job creation, and is being abandoned by the Nordic countries via spending and entitlement cuts. Oops... well, there's still the Greek socialist model - oh wait, they went bankrupt. Well, there's still Argentina - oh wait, they're near bankruptcy and about to lose their credit rating. But, but, it just hasn't been tried correctly! :cry

[TheSanityAnnex]

Well, there's the Nordic model that will collapse by 2030 due to a lack of investment or job creation, and is being abandoned by the Nordic countries via spending and entitlement cuts. Oops... well, there's still the Greek socialist model - oh wait, they went bankrupt. Well, there's still Argentina - oh wait, they're near bankruptcy and about to lose their credit rating. But, but, it just hasn't been tried correctly! :cry

but but but boutons surely has examples

second thread this faggot has ran from today

[Clipper Nation]

but but but boutons surely has examples

second thread this faggot has ran from today
His programming apparently doesn't include answers for when he's proven wrong or backed into a corner. Not even a token "You Lie."

[boutons_deux]

"Nordic model that will collapse by 2030"

whose prediction is that? Glenn Beck? Heritage stink tank under Jim Demented?

Greece has always been more corrupt than socialist, with $Bs in tax evasion not prosecuted, even more corrupt than USA, and, as many "serious people" said at the time, should not have been accepted into EU.

[Clipper Nation]

"Nordic model that will collapse by 2030"

whose prediction is that? Glenn Beck? Heritage stink tank under Jim Demented?
Actual researchers from the Nordic countries:

http://www.feps-europe.eu/assets/be19fb1f-35a7-4465-9cb2-ca165ddcfb6a/20393-ex-sum-feps.pdf


Greece has always been more corrupt than socialist, with $Bs in tax evasion not prosecuted, even more corrupt than USA, and, as many "serious people" said at the time, should not have been accepted into EU.
That's what happens when you give the state more and more power: corruption.

[Clipper Nation]

"Productivity growth has stagnated, employment ratesare lower than 25 years ago and total unemployment in the Nordic region is higher than inBritain and Germany. The Nordic unemployment rate in 2014 is higher than after the recession in2003-2004. In Denmark, Finland and Iceland, all of which were hard hit by the financial crisis,GDP is still lower than in 2008. The rates of growth and investment remain sluggish in all theNordic countries."

"But unemployment has entrenched itselfat a high level in Finland and Sweden, where also the proportion of temporary jobs is high byinternational standards. In all countries there are signs of new dividing lines, pressure on thelowest wages and growing wage dispersion inequality, deteriorating working environments andincreased exclusion in parts of the labour market."

"Stagnation inemployment rates and a stable number of working age who is dependent on governmenttransfers creates pressure on the Nordic welfare states."

"If the rate of change of recent decades continues, in 2030 the Nordic countries together willhave a lower proportion of unionized workers than Norway does today, and lower employmentrate and higher income inequality than the Germany of today. If developments continue alongthe lines of the Nordic countries with the poorest results so far, the employment rate andinequality in 2030 will be similar to France today. The Nordic model may crumble and theparticularities of the Nordic model weaken.... It is not long until 2030 - in practice three parliamentary periods – but the range of outcomes iswide: if employment rates in the Nordic region shall reach the average level of employment inNorway and Iceland in the period 2000-2014, there will be a need for at least 1.3 million morejobs by 2030."

But, but, socialism works!!! :cry

[Th'Pusher]

His programming apparently doesn't include answers for when he's proven wrong or backed into a corner. Not even a token "You Lie."
Have you provided an example of a libertarian society that ever existed, much less actually worked?

[Th'Pusher]

His programming apparently doesn't include answers for when he's proven wrong or backed into a corner. Not even a token "You Lie."


Have you provided an example of a libertarian society that ever existed, much less actually worked?

Oh look. I found one for you: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/38jawf/im_the_president_of_the_liberland_settlement/

we'll see how long this shitty little experiment lasts. :lol

when are you moving?

[Th'Pusher]

:lol are all the residents required to grow neck beards? :lol

[Blizzardwizard]

That's what happens when you give the state more and more power: corruption.

Yeah, because that GOP Libertarian 'individualism' promotes real fairness and balance. 'Individualism' is just an excuse for rich fuckers to take money from poor fuckers and call it wealth creation. Now if that's not corrupt then what is.

[Blizzardwizard]

Have you provided an example of a libertarian society that ever existed, much less actually worked?

Damn right. Libertarians just claim any successes without any actual proof that a concrete Libertarian society ever existed. It's easy for Libertarians to sit there and jab at socialist projects in certain countries, but at least socialists have actually tried to set up and sustain a working society whilst 'Libertarians' have never done jack shit but sit behind their computer screens and preach.

[Clipper Nation]

Have you provided an example of a libertarian society that ever existed, much less actually worked?

The godord system in Iceland lasted for 290 years undisturbed. To put things in perspective, the US - which is the absolute model of political stability by modern standards - only went about 80 years as an independent nation before descending into our first (and still only) civil war.

[Clipper Nation]

at least socialists have actually tried to set up and sustain a working society

:cry "Sure, we've gone bankrupt every single time and have ruined countless lives with our blind worship of the state, but at least we tried!" :cry

[Th'Pusher]

The godord system in Iceland lasted for 290 years undisturbed. To put things in perspective, the US - which is the absolute model of political stability by modern standards - only went about 80 years as an independent nation before descending into our first (and still only) civil war.

How large was Icelandic Godord?

[Clipper Nation]

How large was Icelandic Godord?

Each individual godord was fairly small, but there were dozens of them throughout the country, and their size in terms of population depended solely on how many people the ruling chieftain could convince to follow him. A complicating factor is that people were totally free to pledge allegiance to another godord if they didn't like the chieftain in charge of the one they were living in, without even physically having to move. Basically, they were like primitive versions of modern states/provinces that weren't based on geography.

They also had voluntary taxation, a basic respect for private property rights, a privatized court system, and no executive branch or kingship. It wasn't a perfect system - for example, after nearly 300 years, it finally dawned on people that having the chieftancies be for sale could be exploited, and five families bought them all up and left the people with only the illusion of choice. But I think these flaws can be forgiven considering how primitive the society was and how long it lasted. They certainly had a far better run than socialism has ever been able to manage.

[Th'Pusher]

Each individual godord was fairly small, but there were dozens of them throughout the country, and their size in terms of population depended solely on how many people the ruling chieftain could convince to follow him. A complicating factor is that people were totally free to pledge allegiance to another godord if they didn't like the chieftain in charge of the one they were living in, without even physically having to move. Basically, they were like primitive versions of modern states/provinces that weren't based on geography.

They also had voluntary taxation, a basic respect for private property rights, a privatized court system, and no executive branch or kingship. It wasn't a perfect system - for example, after nearly 300 years, it finally dawned on people that having the chieftancies be for sale could be exploited, and five families bought them all up and left the people with only the illusion of choice. But I think these flaws can be forgiven considering how primitive the society was and how long it lasted.
And you see a similar system working here in these United States?

[Clipper Nation]

And you see a similar system working here in these United States?

I don't see the exact same system working here, but the republican system of government that the Founders intended, with its combination of centralized and decentralized power and limited government, has its roots in primitive societies like the godord system and the similar xeer system in ancient Somalia while being able to scale better and being more modernized.

[Th'Pusher]

I don't see the exact same system working here, but the republican system of government that the Founders intended, with its combination of centralized and decentralized power and limited government, has its roots in primitive societies like the godord system and the similar xeer system in ancient Somalia while being able to scale better and being more modernized.

:lol I'm pretty sure you just googled "has a libertarian society ever existed" when I asked.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/has-a-libertarian-society-ever-existed/

plagiarize much douche bag?

[Blizzardwizard]

To put things in perspective, the US - which is the absolute model of political stability by modern standards

http://new2.fjcdn.com/comments/You+do+know+some+places+can+t+get+faster+internet+ right+_773c6da37639bd7553d3bba0f1f6d961.png

[Blizzardwizard]

Using Iceland as an example :lol

Shit :lol

[Clipper Nation]

:lol I'm pretty sure you just googled "has a libertarian society ever existed" when I asked.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/has-a-libertarian-society-ever-existed/

plagiarize much douche bag?
Damn, you are really emotional. If referencing an article is "plagiarism" then 95% of posts about politics on the Internet are plagiarized. And for the record, I actually learned about the godord system from this article:

https://mises.org/library/medieval-iceland-and-absence-government

That's right, I actually read up on things and learn something new from time to time. Sure beats reading the latest way to phrase "LOL, Red Team is stupid for doing the same things that Blue Team does" that DailyKos came up with today.

[Clipper Nation]

Using Iceland as an example :lol

Shit :lol

290 straight years. Meanwhile, socialists' crowning jewel - the Soviet Union - flamed out after only 69 years :lmao

[Blizzardwizard]

290 straight years. Meanwhile, socialists' crowning jewel - the Soviet Union - flamed out after only 69 years :lmao

You're claiming Iceland as some sort of massive success that shows off the brilliance of Libertarianism? A hobo with a couple of sticks and water could run Iceland today and it would've been even easier in more primitive times.

Comparing Iceland to the Soviet Union as if they're just as difficult to sustain :lol

The Soviet Union may well be socialism's 'crowning jewel', but what is Libertarianism's then? Iceland? Fucking Liberland? :lol

[Clipper Nation]

You're claiming Iceland as some sort of massive success that shows off the brilliance of Libertarianism? A hobo with a couple of sticks and water could run Iceland today and it would've been even easier in more primitive times.

Comparing Iceland to the Soviet Union as if they're just as difficult to sustain :lol

The Soviet Union may well be socialism's 'crowning jewel', but what is Libertarianism's then? Iceland? Fucking Liberland? :lol

The Soviet Union had the kind of technology, land, and military that medieval Iceland could only dream of, and they couldn't even crack the century mark before collapsing under their own weight :lmao

And it's far from the only libertarian success story. Last I checked, there's a country in North America that was founded on the ideals of liberty and property that's kind of a big deal.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Seen a lot of post since boutons ran off and not a single example of socialism working in a large country.

[pgardn]

Has a libertarian society ever existed?

Currently Somalia, Yemen and Libya.
Add others as you like.

We don't need no get dem rules.

[Blizzardwizard]

The Soviet Union had the kind of technology, land, and military that medieval Iceland could only dream of, and they couldn't even crack the century mark before collapsing under their own weight :lmao

And it's far from the only libertarian success story. Last I checked, there's a country in North America that was founded on the ideals of liberty and property that's kind of a big deal.

Libertarians can't claim the USA. 'Liberty' is so broad and general that anyone can claim it. Republicans, Liberals, or anyone else who has 'ideals of liberty' (lots of groups).

Until there is a modern day 1st world example of Libertarianism sustaining an economy they can argue nothing against socialism/

[Clipper Nation]

Libertarians can't claim the USA. 'Liberty' is so broad and general that anyone can claim it. Republicans, Liberals, or anyone else who has 'ideals of liberty' (lots of groups).

Socialism certainly can't claim it. Liberty and theft are incompatible.

http://i.imgur.com/jXXL0Kp.jpg

[Blizzardwizard]

Socialism certainly can't claim it. Liberty and theft are incompatible.

http://i.imgur.com/jXXL0Kp.jpg

Hmm, blue guy needs some work, probably should be larger, have a beard, be carrying a Remmington in the other hand whilst wearing an "I stand with Rand" visor.

[Nbadan]

:rolleyes ..socialism..



Economist Branko Horvat stated: "... it is now well known that capitalist development leads to the concentration of capital, employment and power. It is somewhat less known that it leads to the almost complete destruction of economic freedom."[2]

Activists argue that capitalism leads to a significant loss of political, democratic and economic power for the vast majority of the global human population, because, they believe, capitalism creates very large concentrations of money and property at the hands of a relatively small minority of the global human population (the Elite or The Power Elite), leading, they say, to very large, and increasing, wealth and income inequalities between the elite and the majority of the population.[3] Corporate capitalism and inverted totalitarianism are terms used by the aforementioned activists and critics of capitalism to describe a capitalist marketplace – and society – characterized by the dominance of hierarchical, bureaucratic, large corporations, which are legally required to pursue profit without concern for the social welfare. Corporate capitalism has been criticized for the amount of power and influence corporations and large business interest groups have over government policy, including the policies of regulatory agencies and influencing political campaigns. Many social scientists have criticized corporations for failing to act in the interests of the people; they claim the existence of large corporations seems to circumvent the principles of democracy, which assumes equal power relations between all individuals in a society.[4] As part of the political left, activists against corporate power and influence support a decreased income gap and improved economical equity.

The rise of giant multinational corporations has been a topic of concern among the aforementioned scholars, intellectuals and activists, who see the large corporation as leading to deep, structural erosion of such basic human rights and civil rights as equitable wealth and income distribution, equitable democratic political and socio-economic power representation, and many other human rights and needs. They have pointed out that, in their view, large corporations create false needs in consumers and, they contend, have had a long history of interference in, and distortion of, the policies of sovereign nation states through high-priced legal lobbying, and other almost always legal, powerful forms of influence peddling. Evidence supporting this belief includes, in their view, invasive advertising (such as billboards, television ads, adware, spam, telemarketing, child-targeted advertising, guerrilla marketing), massive open or secret corporate political campaign contributions in so-called "democratic" elections, corporatocracy, the revolving door between government and corporations, regulatory capture, Too Big To Fail (also known as Too Big to Jail), massive taxpayer-provided corporate bailouts, socialism/ communism for the very rich and brutal, vicious, Darwinian capitalism for everyone else, corporate welfare, and, they claim, seemingly endless global news stories about corporate corruption (Martha Stewart and Enron, among many other examples). Anti-corporate-activists express the view that large corporations answer only to large shareholders, giving human rights issues, social justice issues, environmental issues [and other issues of high significance to the bottom 99% of the global human population] virtually no consideration.[5][6]

David Schweickart wrote that, in capitalist societies,


"ordinary people are deemed competent enough to select their political leaders-but not their bosses. Contemporary capitalism celebrates democracy, yet denies us our democratic rights at precisely the point where they might be utilized most immediately and concretely: at the place where we spend most of the active and alert hours of our adult lives."[7]

Thomas Jefferson, one of the founders of the United States, said "I hope we shall crush ... in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country".[8] Franklin D. Roosevelt, in an April 29, 1938, message to Congress, warned that the growth of private power could lead to fascism:


[T]he liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.[9][10][11]

[...] Statistics of the Bureau of Internal Revenue reveal the following amazing figures for 1935: "Ownership of corporate assets: Of all corporations reporting from every part of the Nation, one-tenth of 1 percent of them owned 52 percent of the assets of all of them."[9][11]

Thomas Jefferson....the US socialist....

[Clipper Nation]

Thomas Jefferson, the opposite of a socialist.

"The laws are consequently so formed and administered as to bear with equal weight and favor on all, restraining no man in the pursuits of honest industry and securing to every one the property which that acquires." --Thomas Jefferson: 6th Annual Message, 1806.

"What more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow citizens--a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement" --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural, 1801.

"To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and 
that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." Thomas Jefferson
, Source: Note in Tracy's "Political Economy," 1816

“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” Thomas Jefferson

“If the people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.”Thomas Jefferson

"Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread." Thomas Jefferson

[boutons_deux]

Seen a lot of post since boutons ran off and not a single example of socialism working in a large country.

TSA, GFY

not pure socialism, but social democracy, like Western Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

[Th'Pusher]

Damn, you are really emotional. If referencing an article is "plagiarism" then 95% of posts about politics on the Internet are plagiarized. And for the record, I actually learned about the godord system from this article:

https://mises.org/library/medieval-iceland-and-absence-government

That's right, I actually read up on things and learn something new from time to time. Sure beats reading the latest way to phrase "LOL, Red Team is stupid for doing the same things that Blue Team does" that DailyKos came up with today.

:lol godord
:lol xeer

[Clipper Nation]

:lol godord
:lol xeer
:lol Soviet Union
:lol Greece
:lol "Nordic model"
:lol Argentina
:lol Socialism
:lol One-way trip to bankruptcy, a downgraded credit rating, and eventually total collapse

[Clipper Nation]

TSA, GFY

not pure socialism, but social democracy, like Western Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
And social democracy, like all types of socialism, is a failure. It's proven to be woefully inequipped to deal with the pressures of globalization and immigration. Jobs and wages are stagnant and living conditions are declining. The welfare state has become so unaffordable that social democracies have to implement austerity, angering populations that are accustomed to getting fat and happy off of government handouts. Social democracy has gone from being the government of choice in 13 out of 15 EU countries to losing election after election.

[Blake]

Rofl Iceland

[boutons_deux]

And social democracy, like all types of socialism, is a failure. It's proven to be woefully inequipped to deal with the pressures of globalization and immigration. Jobs and wages are stagnant and living conditions are declining. The welfare state has become so unaffordable that social democracies have to implement austerity, angering populations that are accustomed to getting fat and happy off of government handouts. Social democracy has gone from being the government of choice in 13 out of 15 EU countries to losing election after election.

unregulated, cut-throat, the 99% of American rentier capitalism are unequipped to deal with globalization, as they have lost 1/3 of household weatlh, and had stagnant real incomes since St Ronnie starting fucking up America

unregulated, cut-throat, American rentier capitalism is unequipped to deal with immigration because the capitalists purchased exctreme right politicians to block all solutions.

unregulated, cut-throat, American rentier capitalism suffers from high unemployment, high underemployment, stagnant wages and income, 40M+ people on public assistance, soaring rents as house prices are unreachable, as capitalists and VRWC have reserved all economic gains to themselves for 40 years.

unregulated, cut-throat, American rentier capitalism implements austerity measures since cutting taxes on BigCorp and the wealthy increases deficits, and decreases spending on infrastructure. Austerity includes US govt at all levels including killing many 100Ks of public sector jobs

unregulated, cut-throat, American rentier capitalism creates a "fat and happy" BigCorp and wealthy class via wealth distribution upward and living of tax cuts, tax avoidance, tax evasion.

Ask Canadians, Japanese, west Europeans if they would trade their "socialistic" health care system for unregulated, cut-throat, American rentier capitalism's health care scam that costs 2x as much and gets much worse outcomes.

[Blizzardwizard]

And social democracy, like all types of socialism, is a failure. It's proven to be woefully inequipped to deal with the pressures of globalization and immigration. Jobs and wages are stagnant and living conditions are declining. The welfare state has become so unaffordable that social democracies have to implement austerity, angering populations that are accustomed to getting fat and happy off of government handouts. Social democracy has gone from being the government of choice in 13 out of 15 EU countries to losing election after election.

The welfare state hasn't become unaffordable. If capitalist exploiters and big 'individualist' corporations paid their taxes to the government, welfare funding would be far easier. If these same corporations actually shelled out the money to pay their employees a living wage, a welfare state wouldn't be necessary, but the corrupt billionaires at the top don't want to give up their 'hard earned dollars' to keep their own workers alive now do they?

[CosmicCowboy]

The welfare state hasn't become unaffordable. If capitalist exploiters and big 'individualist' corporations paid their taxes to the government, welfare funding would be far easier. If these same corporations actually shelled out the money to pay their employees a living wage, a welfare state wouldn't be necessary, but the corrupt billionaires at the top don't want to give up their 'hard earned dollars' to keep their own workers alive now do they?

:lmao @ "capitalist exploiters"

Do you call your friends "comrade"?

[Blizzardwizard]

:lmao @ "capitalist exploiters"

Do you call your friends "comrade"?

So I'm not allowed to question the horrendous hogging of money by those who posses all of it at the top? I should just fall in line like any conservative and accept massive inequality because shit happens? Ok.

[Clipper Nation]

The welfare state hasn't become unaffordable.
:lmao It has nearly bankrupted some countries (i.e. Sweden) and actually did bankrupt Greece.


If capitalist exploiters and big 'individualist' corporations paid their taxes to the government, welfare funding would be far easier. If these same corporations actually shelled out the money to pay their employees a living wage, a welfare state wouldn't be necessary, but the corrupt billionaires at the top don't want to give up their 'hard earned dollars' to keep their own workers alive now do they?
The rich are more heavily taxed in Western Europe than anywhere else in the world:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304778304576377710593726674

Hell, the wealthy in Europe are even begging to be taxed more like a bunch of sissy cucks:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/business/global/as-austerity-bites-europes-rich-speak-up-to-be-taxed.html?referrer=

The problem is that no tax rate will ever be enough. The socialist state is a leviathan with an unquenchable hunger for other people's money.

[CosmicCowboy]

So I'm not allowed to question the horrendous hogging of money by those who posses all of it at the top? I should just fall in line like any conservative and accept massive inequality because shit happens? Ok.

:lol

#jealousbitch

[boutons_deux]

:lmao It has nearly bankrupted some countries (i.e. Sweden) and actually did bankrupt Greece.


The rich are more heavily taxed in Western Europe than anywhere else in the world:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304778304576377710593726674

Hell, the wealthy in Europe are even begging to be taxed more like a bunch of sissy cucks:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/business/global/as-austerity-bites-europes-rich-speak-up-to-be-taxed.html?referrer=

The problem is that no tax rate will ever be enough. The socialist state is a leviathan with an unquenchable hunger for other people's money.

:lol brain-dead rightwingnut bullshit sucked down by provincial inbreds.

[boutons_deux]

here's some Repug red-state, tax-cutting, trickle-down CAPITALISM for ya

Recession, Politics and Policy Stretch Arizona School Budgets

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/06/us/arizona-school-budgets-stretched-by-recession-politics-and-policy.html?_r=0

[Blizzardwizard]

:lmao It has nearly bankrupted some countries (i.e. Sweden) and actually did bankrupt Greece.


The rich are more heavily taxed in Western Europe than anywhere else in the world:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304778304576377710593726674

Hell, the wealthy in Europe are even begging to be taxed more like a bunch of sissy cucks:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/business/global/as-austerity-bites-europes-rich-speak-up-to-be-taxed.html?referrer=

The problem is that no tax rate will ever be enough. The socialist state is a leviathan with an unquenchable hunger for other people's money.

The welfare state bankrupted Greece?

Ok.

And that last statement of yours was written in a true Fox News slurping manner. Heck, I even read it in Glenn Beck's voice.

[Blizzardwizard]

:lol

#jealousbitch

Alright, now go get your Colt Python and shoot some poor people.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Alright, now go get your Colt Python and shoot some poor people.

Stupidest and most unfunny thing I've read today. Congratulations.

[Clipper Nation]

The welfare state bankrupted Greece?

Ok.

It is time to admit a basic truth: Greece (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/) is insolvent. Its national debt is falling, albeit very slightly, but its economy is shrinking even faster. We knew all of this even before it missed its payment to the International Monetary Fund (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11652893/Greece-misses-IMF-payment-in-warning-shot-as-showdown-with-Europe-escalates.html) on Friday: the country is stuck in a vicious circle from which the only escape must be a combination of default and withdrawal from the single currency... This year, the national debt is expected to drop by another €4bn to €322bn, though whether this decline actually materialises remains to be seen - but Greece’s nominal GDP will fall by €5bn to €174bn. The result is that Greece’s national debt will reach 185pc of GDP in 2015, up from 182pc last year and 180pc of GDP in 2013. Other measures and forecasts will give slightly different numbers, but the point is that the debt burden is falling less quickly than GDP in cash terms, which is a catastrophe and means that the country is effectively bust.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11655842/Allister-Heath-Greece-is-bankrupt-it-must-break-free-from-its-economic-prison.html

In a society that has lived off the generosity of the government for decades, the cash crisis has already had a shattering impact. Universities, hospitals and municipalities are struggling to provide basic services, and the country’s underfunded security apparatus is losing its battle against an influx of illegal immigrants... "There are no free rides in this country anymore," said Kostas Bakoyannis, 37, the governor of the Central Greece administrative region. "The old parties — they never spoke truth to the people. Now we have to live on what we can make and produce."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/26/business/dealbook/with-money-drying-up-greece-is-all-but-bankrupt.html

:lol Socialism
:lol Running out of other people's money
:lol Bankrupt
:lol Kill_Bill_Pana

[TheSanityAnnex]

TSA, GFY

not pure socialism, but social democracy, like Western Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

I didn't ask for a definition I asked for an example, be specific.

[boutons_deux]

I didn't ask for a definition I asked for an example, be specific.

Nordic countries, France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, UK. aka Western Europe, in case you probably don't know shit about Europe or geopgraphy.

[Blake]

And that last statement of yours was written in a true Fox News slurping manner. Heck, I even read it in Glenn Beck's voice.

I wonder if i google leviathan unchangeable money if a conservative radio/tv transcript pops up

[Clipper Nation]

I wonder if i google leviathan unchangeable money if a conservative radio/tv transcript pops up

Just Googled "cuck" and it linked to your posts, tbh.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Nordic countries, France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, UK. aka Western Europe, in case you probably don't know shit about Europe or geopgraphy.

Nice list of failing social democracies. Do you have any examples of successful ones?

[Blake]

Just Googled "cuck" and it linked to your posts, tbh.

Probably not

[spurraider21]

what would you possibly gain debating somebody who isn't running?

[Blizzardwizard]

Stupidest and most unfunny thing I've read today. Congratulations.

So you're one of those leeches Avante is always talking about huh?

Always wanted my own personal one.

[Blizzardwizard]

Nice list of failing social democracies. Do you have any examples of successful ones?

Define 'failed', I assume that it's based solely on your own interpretation right? I'm not sure how Germany is failing, nor Switzerland. The UK's most successful domestic period was under a social democratic government also. Can you list a staunchly conservative country that runs without massive reliance on wealth inequality, austerity or capitalism?

[Clipper Nation]

So you're one of those leeches Avante is always talking about huh?

Always wanted my own personal one.
A socialist calling anyone else a leech, ya gotta believe me :lol

[Blizzardwizard]

A socialist calling anyone else a leech, ya gotta believe me :lol

Ok, you can have that one.

[TeyshaBlue]

:lol