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ElNono
06-08-2015, 06:50 PM
BBC reports that Germany has abandoned tuition fees altogether for German and international students alike (http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32821678) and more than 4,600 US students are fully enrolled at Germany universities, an increase of 20% over three years. "When I found out that just like Germans I'm studying for free, it was sort of mind blowing," says Katherine Burlingame who decided to get her Master's degree at a university in the East German town of Cottbus. "I realized how easy the admission process was and how there was no tuition fee. This was a wow moment for me." When Katherine came to Germany in 2012 she spoke two words of German: 'hallo' and 'danke'. She arrived in an East German town which had, since the 1950s, taught the majority of its residents Russian rather than English. "At first I was just doing hand gestures and a lot of people had compassion because they saw that I was trying and that I cared." She did not need German, however, in her Master's program, which was filled with students from 50 different countries but taught entirely in English (http://www.studying-in-germany.org/study-in-english-in-germany/). In fact, German universities have drastically increased all-English classes to more than 1,150 programs across many fields.

So how can Germany afford to educate foreign students for free? Think about it this way: it's a global game of collecting talent. All of these students are the trading cards, and the collectors are countries. If a country collects more talent, they'll have an influx of new ideas, new businesses and a better economy (http://www.marketplace.org/topics/education/learning-curve/american-students-head-germany-free-college). For a society with a demographic problem — a growing retired population and fewer young people entering college and the workforce — qualified immigration is seen as a resolution to the problem as research shows that 50% of foreign students stay in Germany. "Keeping international students who have studied in the country is the ideal way of immigration," says Sebastian Fohrbeck."They have the needed certificates, they don't have a language problem at the end of their stay and they know the culture."

baseline bum
06-08-2015, 06:56 PM
Not too bad. You get to go there, get a bachelors, get a masters, work a couple of years, and then you're eligible for citizenship in probably the greatest nation on Earth without a boatload of debt. I wonder how long it will take them to beat us out for attracting India's best and brightest?

Infinite_limit
06-08-2015, 07:00 PM
I'd be one of those 4,000 if I were 5 years younger.

I love the idea. An alternative to just handing Turks family visas.

boutons_deux
06-08-2015, 07:58 PM
I wonder how long it will take them to beat us out for attracting India's best and brightest?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indians_in_Germany

"Indians in germany" lots of hits, Indians are everywhere.

boutons_deux
06-08-2015, 08:45 PM
Other countries HELPING their citizens get educated contrasts ridiculously with the vampire-squid of American finance and tax cutting blocks citizens from getting educated, and penalizes those they buy education with loans with avg of $30K debt per graduate.

Yes, America is the Beacon on the Hill exemplifying how to screw citizens for profit.

boutons_deux
06-08-2015, 08:48 PM
did somebody say "for profit"?

U.S. to wipe out more Corinthian Colleges student debt

The U.S. Department of Education said on Monday it was moving to forgive much of the federal student debt of some of the 78,000 students who had attended the now-bankrupt Corinthian Colleges.

It will let students who left the schools run by the major for-profit chain on or after June 20 last year receive a closed-school discharge of their federal student loans.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/08/us-corinthian-bankruptcy-idUSKBN0OO2MP20150608?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

http://www1.salary.com/CORINTHIAN-COLLEGES-INC-Executive-Salaries.html

Wild Cobra
06-08-2015, 11:31 PM
Well...

I'd rather be a German Pawn and an Obamapawn...

pgardn
06-09-2015, 12:09 AM
England has been doing the same for many years but not with foreign students.
They have, however, restructured the process so it's not entirely free anymore.

There are still quite a few very old guys still working on that PHD free and clear.
Not contributing a whole lot, but what the hell.

Fortunately, the U.S. has a plethora of Avante like intellectuals so we are good to go here.
Big market for lists of ... things.

boutons_deux
06-09-2015, 04:30 AM
otoh, US universities LOVE foreign students because they often pay 100% of their costs, no financial aid, enriching the universities with up to $60K year in tuition, books, fees, fees, fees, fees, fees, etc.

pgardn
06-09-2015, 09:23 AM
otoh, US universities LOVE foreign students because they often pay 100% of their costs, no financial aid, enriching the universities with up to $60K year in tuition, books, fees, fees, fees, fees, fees, etc.

And if they stay here and do good work, welcome.
I work with quite a few of these folks and the work ethic and intellect is a thing of beauty.

Infinite_limit
06-10-2015, 01:31 AM
In Poland you have somewhat strict gpa requirements. The good students are financially covered and allowed to take courses day or night. Lower GPA forces you to take courses at night while you work during the day to pay off classes/living quarters.

Isn't minimum requirement to be a foreign student 3.0? I wonder if the same applies in Science fields.