Bleacher Report: Playing Keep or Cut with the Spurs' Free Agents...

[BillMc]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491703-playing-keep-or-cut-with-each-of-san-antonio-spurs-free-agents

Yeah, I know it's bleacher report, but here's their conclusions on who to keep and who to cut:

Jeff Ayres: Cut

Reggie Williams: Cut

Matt Bonner: Cut

Aaron Baynes: Keep

Cory Joseph: Keep (at up to 5 million per, otherwise cut)

Marco Belinelli: Cut

Kawhi Leonard: Keep

Danny Green: Keep

Manu Ginobili: Keep

Tim Duncan: Keep


Slow newsday, I know.

[Seventyniner]

Lists like this are stupid because price matters.

The three on that list I could disagree with are Baynes, Joseph, and Beli.

[Mal]

Spurs cant throw 23 mil for 3 PG`s

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I also can't see CoJo getting anything near 5 mil per, whether from the Spurs or somewhere else.

[manufan10]

Jeff Ayres: Cut

Reggie Williams: Cut

Matt Bonner: Cut

Aaron Baynes: Keep

Cory Joseph: Cut

Marco Belinelli: Cut

Kawhi Leonard: Keep

Danny Green: Keep

Manu Ginobili: Keep

Tim Duncan: Keep

[Big Empty]

cojo and patty mills are our future back court. need to keep him he's shown drastic improvement every season.

[manufan10]

I honestly don't see CoJo coming back.

[outmap]

I bet Bonner would be signed for the vet min.

[Dex]

Cojo is overrated around here tbh, his block on Ibaka notwithstanding.

[CGD]

Replace Belli with Shved

Replace Ayers with Jaberko

Trade Cojo in draft for a Minni 2nd

Re Up Bonner for vet min as a holding pattern for when Bretans comes

Round out roster with 1st rounder, and LCJ

[batman2883]

anyone else wanna trade Tiago as badly as i do?

[palangi]

Replace Belli with Shved

Replace Ayers with Jaberko

Trade Cojo in draft for a Minni 2nd

Re Up Bonner for vet min as a holding pattern for when Bretans comes

Round out roster with 1st rounder, and LCJ
I think mills and his shooting has more trade value. Plus Joseph is not under contract to trade

[palangi]

anyone else wanna trade Tiago as badly as i do?
I do... I would like to package splitter, mills, the rights to hanga, and cash considerations to boston for their second first rounder number 28 and their first second rounder #35. Boston has 5 draft picks so they would still have 3 picks, but they pick up 2 veterans that could really help them out and make them better in the weak east. Hanga is an athletic defender they can try to bring over too.

The spurs now get picks 26, and 28 in round 1. And picks 33 and 55 in round 2.

[baseline bum]

It's a tough call on Joseph vs Belinelli. No way the Spurs can afford to pay both with Leonard on a $15 million contract and Green on a $10 million one. Assuming Manu retires, it boils down to how comfortable they are with Kyle Anderson running the offense for the second unit. If so, take Marco for the shooting. If not, you gotta have Joseph for his ballhandling.

[baseline bum]

I do... I would like to package splitter, mills, the rights to hanga, and cash considerations to boston for their second first rounder number 28 and their first second rounder #35. Boston has 5 draft picks so they would still have 3 picks, but they pick up 2 veterans that could really help them out and make them better in the weak east. Hanga is an athletic defender they can try to bring over too.

The spurs now get picks 26, and 28 in round 1. And picks 35 and 55 in round 2.

Trading Splitter only makes sense if they're really confident in landing Aldridge.

[batman2883]

i wouldnt mind a sign and trade for aldridge with Tiago....its an option, a far fetched one, but seriously Tiago has been a liability, i know he was playing hurt, but even before that, he reminds me of a rasho 2.0

[baseline bum]

i wouldnt mind a sign and trade for aldridge with Tiago....its an option, a far fetched one, but seriously Tiago has been a liability, i know he was playing hurt, but even before that, he reminds me of a rasho 2.0

Not gonna happen, Portland isn't going to let Aldridge walk if they have leverage, and they would, since the Spurs wouldn't be able to sign him outright without renouncing Green.

[palangi]

Trading Splitter only makes sense if they're really confident in landing Aldridge.
I agree. The opening of monies by trading these two. That is the idea.

[dbestpro]

A decent big will be the end of Splitter, CoJo, and Green. Could see sign and trades if Matthews gets too pricey for Portland.

[batman2883]

Not gonna happen, Portland isn't going to let Aldridge walk if they have leverage, and they would, since the Spurs wouldn't be able to sign him outright without renouncing Green.

id let go of green if it meant getting Aldridge or Gasol in the process....

[benstanfield]

Trading Tiago makes sense this year. Lineups with him and Tim + Kawhi/Tony taking primarily midrange shoots have always seemed dubious to me. If Pop really wants to make Kawhi into the next Charles Barkley (which to me seems laughably stupid but I digress) then you basically have to play him with at least 1 stretch big most of the time.

However, after this year when TD retires Tiago would certainly be missed. He's an extremely heady player on both ends that enables a lot of what we do offensively, is a dynamic defender, and is a low usage player who lets everyone else have touches. I would be extremely wary of trading him unless you have an agreement in place with Gasol/Aldridge or you can move WAY up in the draft to target a 100% sure thing.

[benstanfield]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ANov-Ogvg

First few minutes is exactly what I'm talking about with Splitter. Whether via screen, cut, or with the ball at the top of the key, he has a hand in almost every play. This is the definition of "doing the little things", and you can't teach a lot of this stuff.

[baseline bum]

id let go of green if it meant getting Aldridge or Gasol in the process....

Not me, the Spurs would have an awful backcourt with no Green and no Ginobili.

[timtonymanu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ANov-Ogvg

First few minutes is exactly what I'm talking about with Splitter. Whether via screen, cut, or with the ball at the top of the key, he has a hand in almost every play. This is the definition of "doing the little things", and you can't teach a lot of this stuff.

:tu

Most underrated Spur, tbh

[Sean Cagney]

Cojo is overrated around here tbh, his block on Ibaka notwithstanding.

He dunked on Ibaka not blocked but honestly I agree 100% on him being overrated around here. He is a backup PG and some act as if he can start the whole year for the team. He is average with some good D, offense he is not that good IMO. When he comes in the O stalls it seems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ANov-Ogvg

First few minutes is exactly what I'm talking about with Splitter. Whether via screen, cut, or with the ball at the top of the key, he has a hand in almost every play. This is the definition of "doing the little things", and you can't teach a lot of this stuff.
I agree with you 100%, he is a key to this team. If he can just stay healthy man.
green doesnt command that kind of money, he plays good defense, and most likely is a product of our system........he didnt show up at all in the playoffs when we needed him to......in a contract year he fizzled......maybe after last years performance he might have deserved a pay out...but this year, not so much

I agree with you, he didn't show up this year in the playoffs until game 7 (Right time to show up but too late). He is about a 8-9 mill a year guy max IMO, with the new cap and all coming up.

[Dex]

He dunked on Ibaka not blocked

Derp. Me brain no worky.

[Sean Cagney]

Derp. Me brain no worky.
Your point was made though, agreed. Either or that one play gets him overrated in here like it won the series (It was a game they lost) single handily. This is like the so called Bonner game he started the first half and spread the floor (Diaw started the second and did much better) but was 0-3 shooting or so and some mention it all the time as to why he is useful. Those games get players overrated no doubt.

[timtonymanu]

He dunked on Ibaka not blocked but honestly I agree 100% on him being overrated around here. He is a backup PG and some act as if he can start the whole year for the team. He is average with some good D, offense he is not that good IMO. When he comes in the O stalls it seems.


This post is also underrating what CoJo brings to the team. People wanted him to start the whole year because of how shitty Parker was playing. No matter how much you view CoJo as a backup, he would have been a lot better than starting Parker.

CoJo was actually looking pretty good during the stretch in December when the team had to play without Kawhi/Patty/Parker. When he's put in the playmaking role, he actually is much more aggressive (he was one of the better finishers on our team this season). But yes, he does have a tendency to be passive. Still, I think he fit better with the starting lineup than this year's Enrique.

[Sean Cagney]

This post is also underrating what CoJo brings to the team. People wanted him to start the whole year because of how shitty Parker was playing. No matter how much you view CoJo as a backup, he would have been a lot better than starting Parker.

CoJo was actually looking pretty good during the stretch in December when the team had to play without Kawhi/Patty/Parker. When he's put in the playmaking role, he actually is much more aggressive (he was one of the better finishers on our team this season). But yes, he does have a tendency to be passive. Still, I think he fit better with the starting lineup than this year's Enrique.Yes Parker was bad but honestly Cojo is not leading a playoff team to a title, ceiling is very limited with him starting at PG IMO. He is a good backup. Patty should have gotten more mins in the playoffs IMO, Parker was horrible.

He did look pretty good in December you are right, not going to deny that there. That is a short sample though and I need to see more before I call him a starting PG. I agree on the Enrique thing too, once again not going to argue that fact of him being horrible this year.

[TheGreatYacht]

anyone else wanna trade Tiago as badly as i do?
Count me in fam

[TheGreatYacht]

Jeff Ayres: Cut

Reggie Williams: Cut

Matt Bonner: Cut

Aaron Baynes: Keep

Cory Joseph: Cut

Marco Belinelli: Keep

Kawhi Leonard: Cut

Danny Green: Keep

Manu Ginobili: Keep

Tim Duncan: Keep

[jbspurs]

I bet Bonner would be signed for the vet min.

I hope not!

[Sean Cagney]

I hope not!

YOU and me both man, good lord.

[T Park]

Cojo is overrated around here tbh, his block on Ibaka notwithstanding.



Dunk.

[TheGoldStandard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ANov-Ogvg

First few minutes is exactly what I'm talking about with Splitter. Whether via screen, cut, or with the ball at the top of the key, he has a hand in almost every play. This is the definition of "doing the little things", and you can't teach a lot of this stuff.

Splitters usefulness is on the defensive end because he has good foot work he can stay in front of boys and is long enough to bother shooters. A majority of bigs can set screens and roll at 8-9 mil a year and usually have some kind of offensive game.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Cojo is overrated around here tbh, his dunk on Ibaka notwithstanding.

;)

Edit: I'm late to this correction.

[Chinook]

Jeff Ayres: Cut

Reggie Williams: Cut

Matt Bonner: Cut

Aaron Baynes: Cut (keep only if the rest of the band is coming back)

Cory Joseph: Keep at almost all costs

Marco Belinelli: Cut

Kawhi Leonard: Keep (obviously)

Danny Green: Keep

Manu Ginobili: I think it'd be best for the team if he weren't back unless he takes the min. Simply put, having him on the team means you need another rotation-caliber two-guard. Unless the Spurs draft one in two weeks, they cannot afford to give Ginobili cap space to be a half-rotation guy. Not this season.

Tim Duncan: Keep - Free agency is simpler if he's not there anymore. The team can almost afford a max for a free agent big while keeping the rest of the team intact. But he's still the best player on the team, so I don't see why you wouldn't want him to play for as long as possible. That said, the idea of adding a max player to a team with Duncan on it is impossible. So keeping him is trading away the chance to getting a star to pair with Kawhi for the next four year. But keeping Tim is the easy decision.

[DPG21920]

Why are you saying keeping Duncan means no max player? It's definitely not impossible from my understanding? Likely? Maybe not, but impossible?