Tough Day for the Confederate Flag

[Spurminator]

Supreme Court upholds TX rejection of Confederate Flag license plate: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/politics/confederate-flag-license-plate-scotus-supreme-court-case/

The Confederate Flag is still flying full mast in SC and it's pissing people off: http://abcnews.go.com/US/confederate-flag-flying-south-carolina-capitol-grounds-provokes/story?id=31863705

[m>s]

Sieg heil

[DMX7]

The South loses again. I am seriously surprised that Thomas didn't support the flag.

[ChumpDumper]

:cry Muh heritage! :cry

[m>s]

Never forget who you are and where you came from, heil

[DMX7]

It won't be coming down from the South Carolina state capital any time soon though. They may have lost the war, but they're not losing that battle.

[cd021]

In Richmond VA. They recently had a "bury the confederate flag" rally in response to a sons of the confederacy rally.

One guy in his 80's was asked why the flag wasn't racist and he basically said it wasn't because his grandfather believed in the flag.:lol Of course his grandfather was traitor and likely a racist as well.

[DPG21920]

These things always fascinate me. I wonder if this leads to the inevitable discussing of flying the American flag when America is full of racists and questionable military enagements and was founded on a lot of murder and war.

[cd021]

Supreme Court upholds TX rejection of Confederate Flag license plate: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/politics/confederate-flag-license-plate-scotus-supreme-court-case/

The Confederate Flag is still flying full mast in SC and it's pissing people off: http://abcnews.go.com/US/confederate-flag-flying-south-carolina-capitol-grounds-provokes/story?id=31863705

There's zero reason why it should be hanging at the capital in the first place.


but ...but ....southern heritage

whats there to be proud of?

they owned people, succeeded from their country then got beat by the union.

Then they preceded to terrorize blacks for decades.

southern heritage

[DPG21920]

There's zero reason why it should be hanging at the capital in the first place.


but ...but ....southern heritage

whats there to be proud of?

they owned people, succeeded from their country then got beat by the union.

Then they preceded to terrorize blacks for decades.

southern heritage

Which is sort of ironic since NY seems to have some of the most racist people today

[cd021]

Which is sort of ironic since NY seems to have some of the most racist people today

California and Florida have high concentrations of hate groups, 13 cops have been fired in the past 7 months from both states for being apart of the KKK or sending racially charged messages to each other. In Cali they are in the process of reviewing a 1000 cases where the officers were involved to make sure there wasn't racial bias.

Laughable to think racism is confined to the south. Its still pretty prevalent, it just doesn't usually manifest itself in church massacres by a terrorist-racist

[DPG21920]

I am honestly legitimately nervous about the state of our world/country. It feels like tensions are so high, fuel is being constantly poured on the fire (not in a healthy way) and I am seeing more and more people from all sides crawling out from the woodwork with radical mindsets.

You are seeing these types of shootings. You are seeing people then mix rioting with protesting. You are seeing this outrage and mistrust that while justified in many cases, it's being painted broadly. Despite what I feel to be progress and the best it's ever been, race relations feels more explosive than I can ever remember.

[HI-FI]

I am honestly legitimately nervous about the state of our world/country. It feels like tensions are so high, fuel is being constantly poured on the fire (not in a healthy way) and I am seeing more and more people from all sides crawling out from the woodwork with radical mindsets.

You are seeing these types of shootings. You are seeing people then mix rioting with protesting. You are seeing this outrage and mistrust that while justified in many cases, it's being painted broadly. Despite what I feel to be progress and the best it's ever been, race relations feels more explosive than I can ever remember.funny, wasn't Obama supposed to be a post racial president or some bs? If anything he's added lots of fuel to the fire imo. Tensions do feel worse than I can remember.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I am honestly legitimately nervous about the state of our world/country. It feels like tensions are so high, fuel is being constantly poured on the fire (not in a healthy way) and I am seeing more and more people from all sides crawling out from the woodwork with radical mindsets.

You are seeing these types of shootings. You are seeing people then mix rioting with protesting. You are seeing this outrage and mistrust that while justified in many cases, it's being painted broadly. Despite what I feel to be progress and the best it's ever been, race relations feels more explosive than I can ever remember.yeah it's getting pretty nuts. Glad I live in a place where I won't have to deal with it and will never live downtown in a city.

[TheSanityAnnex]

funny, wasn't Obama supposed to be a post racial president or some bs? If anything he's added lots of fuel to the fire imo. Tensions do feel worse than I can remember.
Almost seems like part of his plan.

[ElNono]

I actually think Barry getting elected and what not brought the topic front and center, and in that sense, I think we've largely failed. What seemed like a good opportunity turned into more division.

[HI-FI]

I actually think Barry getting elected and what not brought the topic front and center, and in that sense, I think we've largely failed. What seemed like a good opportunity turned into more division.
I somewhat disagree. Going back to the beer summit, it seems Obama has inflamed every race situation before the facts were in. I've seen other black leaders handle these situations with far more grace. Obama is really a terrible leader and an empty suit imo, but he could just be doing what his masters want.

[ElNono]

I somewhat disagree. Going back to the beer summit, it seems Obama has inflamed every race situation before the facts were in. I've seen other black leaders handle these situations with far more grace. Obama is really a terrible leader and an empty suit imo, but he could just be doing what his masters want.

IMO, the moment you start pointing fingers, something didn't work. I think there were a lot of actors (including Barry) on both sides that didn't help the situation.

But I think it goes deeper than that. Regardless of what you think of his administration, the fact that he was elected invited a cultural introspection of where we are as a nation on this topic, and generally speaking, the conclusion seems to be that resentment and hate are still a big part of this.

[boutons_deux]

Almost seems like part of his plan.

yep, Obama caused Iraq, inequality, fracking earthquakes, the Banksters Great Depression, racism, all which is evidence that you hate the guy because of his skin color.

[Winehole23]

resentment and hate are still a big part of this.yep. civil rights in the US diminished racist impunity, but it didn't cure racism.

if the election of Obama showed us how far we've come, his presidency has underscored how far we have to go.

[cd021]

funny, wasn't Obama supposed to be a post racial president or some bs? If anything he's added lots of fuel to the fire imo. Tensions do feel worse than I can remember.

If you don't like his politics or the way he has handled being president, that's above the belt but he hasn't done really anything to rile up race. He didn't run as the "post racial president" he was labeled that after being elected. Obviously that's crazy, race has never not been an issue in this country and him being elected almost certainly made things worse. That really can't be blamed on him.

-Unarmed black teen shot walking home from a convenient store, he has a press conference to respond to the situation.

-Unarmed black man choked to death on camera, officer not indicted, he responds to the protest.

-Unarmed black teen shot-he has a press conference to respond to the protest/rioting. Justice Department gets sent they find systematic racism in the police department forcing them to clean house.

-Man illegally arrested by police, then suffers a spinal cord injury in police discussing. He responds to the protest/rioting.

- Nine black people murdered by a terrorist-he responds

Alot of the racial tension has come from alleged police misconduct. Take Cleveland, where 12 cops walked after murdering 2 unarmed black people.

He has done quite a bit to work toward solving race relations. He's requested funds for 50,000 body camera's for police. And attempted to smooth things over, despite conservatives labeling it race baiting.

If anything hate groups have been getting bigger since he became president because... he's president.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_hate_groups_chart_wy_120308_wblog.jpg

They shot up since he began running for president back in 07.

[Spurminator]

It's hard to be a uniter when neither side is willing to give an inch or admit to any faults, and when every observation about our flaws is met with hysterical butthurt.

[boutons_deux]

It's hard to be a uniter when neither side is willing to give an inch or admit to any faults, and when every observation about our flaws is met with hysterical butthurt.

false equivalence, but continue in your delsions

[DMX7]

Anyone realize that it's the 150th anniversary of the end of the Civil War?

[boutons_deux]

Anyone realize that it's the 150th anniversary of the end of the Civil War?

sure, anyone who stays informed.

Also, the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Waterloo. Huge re-enactment this week.

[cd021]

Almost seems like part of his plan.

Yes, his master plan :lol

[Spurminator]

false equivalence, but continue in your delsions

Hey look, hysterical butthurt.

[boutons_deux]

Hey look, hysterical butthurt.

You Lie

No butthurt, no hysteria from my side.

The Repugs, having purged all moderates, and being taken over by Kock Bros/VRWC tea baggers, are pushing extremist agendas and blocking all progress and solutions for the 99%.

[DMX7]

sure, anyone who stays informed.


That's not many people.

[cd021]

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[cd021]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/10/article-2498164-1955120C00000578-797_634x425.jpg
http://www.thepaincomics.com/Heritage%20Not%20Hate.JPG
http://proudrebel.com/images/Mvc-383f_flag_heritage.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

Interesting analogy. You realize the swastika was an ancient religious symbol for good fortune that was co-opted by the Nazi party, right? Symbols can be symbols of whatever you want them to be.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/78463000/jpg/_78463617_swastika_comp624.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Interesting analogy. You realize the swastika was a stylized christian cross that was co-opted by the Nazi party, right? Symbols can be symbols of whatever you want them to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/HinduSwastika.svg/440px-HinduSwastika.svg.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Swastika

you realize that the swastika, adopted by the Superior Aryan Race, goes back well before Christ?

[cd021]

Interesting analogy. You realize the swastika was an ancient religious symbol for good fortune that was co-opted by the Nazi party, right? Symbols can be symbols of whatever you want them to be.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/78463000/jpg/_78463617_swastika_comp624.jpg

Well aware.

I came across the first picture and thought it relevant to the debate over the confederate flag. The Confederate flag has symbolized hate and still does. Find it a bit odd that people think its cool now just because someone came up with the "heritage not hate slogan"

[ChumpDumper]

Interesting analogy. You realize the swastika was an ancient religious symbol for good fortune that was co-opted by the Nazi party, right? Symbols can be symbols of whatever you want them to be.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/78463000/jpg/_78463617_swastika_comp624.jpgI think it's safe to say the nazis ruined the use of the swastika for advertising purposes for the foreseeable future.

[pgardn]

I think it's safe to say the nazis ruined the use of the swastika for advertising purposes for the foreseeable future.

Bingo.

[DisAsTerBot]

Interesting analogy. You realize the swastika was an ancient religious symbol for good fortune that was co-opted by the Nazi party, right? Symbols can be symbols of whatever you want them to be.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/78463000/jpg/_78463617_swastika_comp624.jpg

yeah wear that ancient religious symbol of good fortune on your person and see how that works out for you. Also hilarious you think this is some kind of revelation

[m>s]

^smallpox missed one

[unleashbaynes]

the confederate flag might as well be a sign that says "i'm a huge fucktard" tbh. i'm all for it. lets me know who to avoid.

[Th'Pusher]

The confederate battle flag wasn't flown outside the SC state capital until 1961 in protest to desegregation. To claim it as a symbol of heritage and not racism is laughable tbqmfh.

[DMX7]

Symbols can be symbols of whatever you want them to be.


They can be whatever you want them to be... to you. But that doesn't mean you can make it mean something other than what it has historically represented to most everyone else.

[The Reckoning]

just appease the PC peeps and take it down. it's a flag. lol.

[Trill Clinton]

the flag represents, slavery, hate and failure. take it down from the state capitol and let the heritage crew continue to wear it on clothing and their vehicles.

[SnakeBoy]

the flag represents, slavery, hate and failure. take it down from the state capitol and let the heritage crew continue to wear it on clothing and their vehicles.

The flag represents those things to some people, to others it represents independence, pride, heritage etc. and not necessarily anything to do with slavery/racism. Although I do agree there is no reason for it to be flying over state property except to piss off black people.

[FromWayDowntown]

to others it represents independence, pride, heritage etc. and not necessarily anything to do with slavery/racism.

The independence and such that it represents is invariably bound up with the racist policies that existed when that flag was created.

[Trill Clinton]

The flag represents those things to some people, to others it represents independence, pride, heritage etc. and not necessarily anything to do with slavery/racism. Although I do agree there is no reason for it to be flying over state property except to piss off black people.

the flag represents white supremacy. no way around it. anyone one who denies that is being obtuse as fucc.
http://i59.tinypic.com/s0zbx2.png
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[cantthinkofanything]

the flag represents white supremacy. no way around it. anyone one who denies that is being obtuse as fucc.
http://i59.tinypic.com/s0zbx2.png
611684742421999620

I don't know...seems ambiguous
http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/481/ee8/752/resized/scary-black-guy-meme-generator-t-085b05.jpg

[DMX7]

The great war of northern aggression, lol.

[FromWayDowntown]

The flag itself is a symbol of horrific ideas, but removing the flag doesn't do away with those ideas, their intrinsic terribleness, or the pain that they have caused. I'm glad to see that there's a discussion about recognizing the bankruptcy of the flag as a symbol and the need to move away from it, but I'm hopeful that removal of the symbol won't be just another band-aid on a wound that still needs to be actually healed by changed minds and hearts.

The idea has run its course, not just the flag.

[SnakeBoy]

The independence and such that it represents is invariably bound up with the racist policies that existed when that flag was created.

Does the same hold true for the American Flag?

[boutons_deux]

rumors are the both The Indian and The Old Lesbian are to recommend removing the stars and bars from state grounds.

[boutons_deux]

rumors are the both The Indian and The Old Lesbian are to recommend removing the stars and bars from state grounds.

rumors were accurate :)

Can't find the article, but the Confederate flag was not a big deal in the 19th century, but became a big deal in the 20th as KKK, white supremacists, and PROGRESSIVE policies protecting, enabling, enfranchising, blacks.

In short, the 20th century Confederate flag really is all about about racism.

[ChumpDumper]

Does the same hold true for the American Flag?Because of det Civil War, no.

[boutons_deux]

Fox News Gets Desperate and Calls The Confederate Flag The Flag Of The Democratic Party

Fox News host Andrea Tantaros said (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/andrea-tantaros-confederate-flag-charleston?utm_content=buffer31291&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer), “You know what baffles the mind? This isn’t a Republican flag. Historically this was the flag of southern Democrats, remember that, fact? I find this flag offensive. This flag represents the fight in slavery, and it was a flag that the southern Democrats — Democrats — used to fly against Northern Republicans so I’m not sure why Republicans are getting peppered over this.”

Tantaros brought up an old time favorite misleading statement by the right. Southerners did support the Democratic Party, but what Fox News likes to leave out is that racist ideological strain left the Democratic Party and moved over to the Republicans during the Civil Rights movement.

It is ridiculous for anyone to claim that the Confederate flag is the flag of the party that is led by the nation’s first African-American president. It is even more absurd for Fox News to ignore the fact that it was Republicans who supported flying the Confederate flag over the state capitol.Republicans are getting hammered for this because they are the party that pushed for the Confederate flag as a symbol of “Southern heritage.” The Confederate flag is not a Republican flag or a Democratic flag. It is a symbol of slavery, racism and hate.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/22/fox-news-desperate-calls-confederate-flag-flag-democratic-party.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

Fox Repug Propaganda network: a powerful magnet attracting dumb bitches.

As we've heard here ST, it was the Repugs who passed the progressive policies of the '60s over the Dems, and it was Republican Lincoln who emancipated the blacks.

[cantthinkofanything]

Fox News Gets Desperate and Calls The Confederate Flag The Flag Of The Democratic Party

Fox News host Andrea Tantaros said (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/andrea-tantaros-confederate-flag-charleston?utm_content=buffer31291&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer), “You know what baffles the mind? This isn’t a Republican flag. Historically this was the flag of southern Democrats, remember that, fact? I find this flag offensive. This flag represents the fight in slavery, and it was a flag that the southern Democrats — Democrats — used to fly against Northern Republicans so I’m not sure why Republicans are getting peppered over this.”

Tantaros brought up an old time favorite misleading statement by the right. Southerners did support the Democratic Party, but what Fox News likes to leave out is that racist ideological strain left the Democratic Party and moved over to the Republicans during the Civil Rights movement.

It is ridiculous for anyone to claim that the Confederate flag is the flag of the party that is led by the nation’s first African-American president. It is even more absurd for Fox News to ignore the fact that it was Republicans who supported flying the Confederate flag over the state capitol.Republicans are getting hammered for this because they are the party that pushed for the Confederate flag as a symbol of “Southern heritage.” The Confederate flag is not a Republican flag or a Democratic flag. It is a symbol of slavery, racism and hate.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/22/fox-news-desperate-calls-confederate-flag-flag-democratic-party.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

Fox Repug Propaganda network: a powerful magnet attracting dumb bitches.

As we've heard here ST, it was the Repugs who passed the progressive policies of the '60s over the Dems, and it was Republican Lincoln who emancipated the blacks.





Thanks Obama!

[DMX7]

The flag is almost certainly coming down now.

Mississippi might take a little bit longer to crack given that it's within the state's state flag.

[FromWayDowntown]

The flag is almost certainly coming down now.

Mississippi might take a little bit longer to crack given that it's within the state's state flag.

And given that Mississippi, breathtakingly, didn't bother to legislatively approve the 13th Amendment until 1995 and didn't actually ratify it until 2013.

[boutons_deux]

Walmart Becomes The First Store To Remove All Confederate Flag Merchandise

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/22/walmart-leads-pack-remove-confederate-flag-merchanidse.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[DMX7]

Walmart Becomes The First Store To Remove All Confederate Flag Merchandise

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/22/walmart-leads-pack-remove-confederate-flag-merchanidse.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

That's pretty shocking. I figured that was like half their business in Alabama and Mississippi. LOL

[boutons_deux]

a cheap trick, costs WM nothing, but may send bubbas, rednecks, shitkickers, neoConfederates, and other losers to dollar stores.

[cd021]

just appease the PC peeps and take it down. it's a flag. lol.

When all else fails blame PC :tu

[cd021]

In Virginia, the last governor (now heading to prision for two years for corruption) declared a "Confederate History Month" didn't even acknowledge slavery. Kind of illustrates some of southern mentality towards the Confederacy. "its all about heritage not hate" except they gloss over selling and owning slaves and terrorizing them for more than a century after they became free.

[baseline bum]

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Fucking shit should have never been flown again officially in the US. Might as well fly an Isis flag.

[cd021]

"South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R) called for the Confederate flag to be removed from the state capitol."

"That flag, while an integral part of our past, does not represent the future of our great state," Haley said Monday."


"Haley argued that many South Carolinians see the Confederate flag as a way to respect their ancestors, but argued Dylann Roof, who was charged with murdering nine people in a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, last week, "has a sick and twisted view of the flag."

http://static.deathandtaxesmag.com/uploads/2013/03/Screen-Shot-2013-03-20-at-11.51.00-AM.png

Roof interpreted the meaning of the flag just fine. Flag has always represented hatred.

Mississippi and Tennessee debating over taking down the flag now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/mississippi-confederate-flag_n_7641512.html

[Drachen]

The hits keep on coming.
http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/2d05ea2ae8/a-new-confederate-flag-robert-e-lee-fucking-his-horse-traveller

[The Reckoning]

When all else fails blame PC :tu


yes because we all know the elephant in the room is that if everyone up in arms about this invested their time instead into professional and skill development they'd do much more for themselves as a collective unit. ie: chinese, Indians, etc. but I digress...that flag is hypnotizing everyone into racial warfare...of course it makes sense.

the true structure of repression is that we've persuaded that everyone has a handicap of some sort and should devote a significant amount of their effort in exercising it.


http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/Flags/stars-and-bars.jpg


funny what people take on "symbols". if I flew stars and bars, noone would care because they wouldn't know the difference.

[boutons_deux]

Why The Confederate Battle Flag Is Even More Racist Than You Think

Champions of the battle flag argue “it’s not a racial thing,” (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/19/charleston-confederate-flag_n_7624760.html) but it’s tough to deny the pattern has strong links to slavery.

Those who believe slavery was not a central point of conflict in the Civil War may wish to peruse the

South Carolina,

Georgia,

Mississippi and

Texas declarations of secession. (http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras2777/amgov/secession.html)

Those documents all explicitly cite threats to slavery as reasons for secession. Mississippi's declaration goes so far as to say that “a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.”

Pulitzer Prize-winning author James McPherson, as quoted by the Civil War Trust, explains: (http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/faq/)

The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.


McPherson adds that the government refused to recognize the secession because they feared it would result in the U.S. turning into "several small, squabbling countries."

It was not until long after the Civil War ended, however, that the battle flag began to take on even stronger connections to racial injustice.

In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats (http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/h-1477) -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.

Some of the Dixiecrats went so far as to declare their commitment to “white supremacy,” according to The Confederate Battle Flag: America’s Most Embattled Emblem by John M. Coski. (https://books.google.com/books?id=zs0VJTbNwfAC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=dixiecrat+battle+flag&source=bl&ots=4nNta0cdv-&sig=1kzd0p4KOM3bCRq92Q0-6GeOZrk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PUeIVZjrOpP5yQSH2YWIBA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=dixiecrat%20battle%20flag&f=false)

Coski writes that though the Dixiecrats soon faded into obscurity, their campaigns “made the flag a fixture in places where it had been only a novelty before.” Coski gives the example of the University of Mississippi, which he notes rarely used the battle flag as a symbol prior to 1948. He says the university began heavily incorporating the symbol into school activities and events a few months after students protested against Truman’s civil rights proposals.

Notably, Ole Miss is the same institution that erupted into riots in 1962 (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/riots-over-desegregation-of-ole-miss) when the federal government insisted that the school accept a black student.

In 1963, the year after the Ole Miss riot, Alabama Gov. George Wallace raised the flag (http://www.senate.ga.gov/sro/Documents/StudyCommRpts/00StateFlag.pdf)over the state Capitol in protest against desegregation, as described by the Georgia State Senate Research Office in a 2000 report.

The same report found that the integration of the battle flag into the Georgia state flag in 1956 was racially motivated. When the pattern was incorporated into Georgia's flag, the researchers wrote, the state “was in a desperate situation to preserve segregation.”

They went on to say:

Resisting, avoiding, undermining, and circumventing integration was the 1956 General Assembly’s primary objective. The adoption of the battle flag was an integral, albeit small, part of this resistance.


The flag has also periodically been flown by the Ku Klux Klan -- though to be fair, so has the United States flag. (http://www.theroot.com/content/dam/theroot/articles/culture/2014/04/the_ku_klux_klan_s_freak_out_means_their_worldview _is_losing/152898653-three-members-of-the-ku-klux-klan-hide-behind-a.jpg.CROP.rtstoryvar-large.jpg)

Though some people may genuinely feel that the Dixie flag represents their Southern heritage or commemorates those who lost their lives in battle, the reality is that in far more recent history, the flag has been used as an explicit symbol of racism and racial inequality.

That’s why, as John Oliver says, it should be lowered not just to half-staff, but all the way off of the Columbia flagpole. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/john-oliver-confederate-flag_n_7634524.html)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/confederate-flag-racist_n_7639788.html?ir=Crime

[boutons_deux]

EBay bans sales of Confederate flags, related merchandise


http://www.cnet.com/news/ebay-bans-sales-of-confederate-flags-related-items/?tag=nl.e703&s_cid=e703&ttag=e703&ftag=CAD090e536

[boutons_deux]

Many in Nation Tired of Explaining Things to Idiots

MINNEAPOLIS (The Borowitz Report (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report))—Many Americans are tired of explaining things to idiots, particularly when the things in question are so painfully obvious, a new poll indicates.
According to the poll, conducted by the University of Minnesota’s Opinion Research Institute, while millions have been vexed for some time by their failure to explain incredibly basic information to dolts, that frustration has now reached a breaking point.

Of the many obvious things that people are sick and tired of trying to get through the skulls of stupid people, the fact that climate change will cause catastrophic habitat destruction and devastating extinctions tops the list, with a majority saying that they will no longer bother trying to explain this to cretins.

Coming in a close second, statistical proof that gun control has reduced gun deaths in countries around the world is something that a significant number of those polled have given up attempting to break down for morons.

Finally, a majority said that trying to make idiots understand why a flag that symbolizes bigotry and hatred has no business flying over a state capitol only makes the person attempting to explain this want to put his or her fist through a wall.

In a result that suggests a dismal future for the practice of explaining things to idiots, an overwhelming number of those polled said that they were considering abandoning such attempts altogether, with a broad majority agreeing with the statement, “This country is exhausting.”

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/many-in-nation-tired-of-explaining-things-to-idiots?mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(22)&cndid=&mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(22)&CNDID=&spMailingID=7848908&spUserID=MjczNzc0Njk0NDAS1&spJobID=702802001&spReportId=NzAyODAyMDAxS0

[DMX7]

yes because we all know the elephant in the room is that if everyone up in arms about this invested their time instead into professional and skill development they'd do much more for themselves as a collective unit. ie: chinese, Indians, etc. but I digress...that flag is hypnotizing everyone into racial warfare...of course it makes sense.

the true structure of repression is that we've persuaded that everyone has a handicap of some sort and should devote a significant amount of their effort in exercising it.


http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/Flags/stars-and-bars.jpg


funny what people take on "symbols". if I flew stars and bars, noone would care because they wouldn't know the difference.

lol, what is the argument here? It's too much effort to bring down a racist flag (i.e., the confederate battle flag)?

[DMX7]

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/06/21/us/21website-web/21website-web-master675.jpg
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--KVXqiB4D--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1302929839844326213.jpg

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/06/20/dylann-roof-visited-slave-plantations-confederate-landmarks-before-massacre/jcr:content/body/inlineimage_3.img.800.jpg/1434822923606.cached.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzGnnF41zhIoF32-gDxmN3vQmArs2kAL_wVFGYUt3XmzYJ1OA3Zg

This kid looks hypnotized by the racist ideology that the Confederate flag represents (whether it be the pro-slavery south of the civil war era or the pro-segregationist south of the civil rights movement era).

[The Reckoning]

lol, what is the argument here? It's too much effort to bring down a racist flag (i.e., the confederate battle flag)?


no, the confederate flag should have been taken down during reconstruction IMO, but to make the whole shooting issue about confederate flags is woefully missing the point. it's not about confederate flags, it's about the whole black vs. white conversation, and it needs to stop. we need to see it as coming together as a nation rather than dividing people and using the "white" symbol (confederate flag, apparently?) as some sort of crusade against.

this is shit that the media is fueling, and y'all are eating it up one story at a time.

[boutons_deux]

lol, what is the argument here? It's too much effort to bring down a racist flag (i.e., the confederate battle flag)?

confederate battle flag, Southern traditions, honor the dead rebels wasted in a war they started but couldn't fininsh. All bullshit.

Post WWII, the stars and bars is the battle flag of racists, KKK, hate groups

[The Reckoning]

confederate battle flag, Southern traditions, honor the dead rebels wasted in a war they started but couldn't fininsh. All bullshit.

Post WWII, the stars and bars is the battle flag of racists, KKK, hate groups


not really. i think the confederate flag should get the swastika treatment IMO. rebs lost fair and square. but it's crazy that news outlets jumped on the flag after the shooting like they had that card to play the whole time for potential headlines. they were just waiting for the right cover story to roll with it. and it worked. genius, imo.

[Spurminator]

no, the confederate flag should have been taken down during reconstruction IMO, but to make the whole shooting issue about confederate flags is woefully missing the point. it's not about confederate flags, it's about the whole black vs. white conversation, and it needs to stop. we need to see it as coming together as a nation rather than dividing people and using the "white" symbol (confederate flag, apparently?) as some sort of crusade against.

The black vs. white conversation is perfectly illustrated in the Confederate flag argument. And I'm seeing a lot of surprising racial unity when it comes to removing it. That's a good thing, even if it's an inanimate object, it's still an argument that we're finally about to stop having... It's a sign that White America is not only ready to acknowledge the sins of our past, they're also willing to stop clinging to an inanimate object that memorializes those sins.

[The Reckoning]

The black vs. white conversation is perfectly illustrated in the Confederate flag argument. And I'm seeing a lot of surprising racial unity when it comes to removing it. That's a good thing, even if it's an inanimate object, it's still an argument that we're finally about to stop having... It's a sign that White America is not only ready to acknowledge the sins of our past, they're also willing to stop clinging to an inanimate object that memorializes those sins.


yes, sins of the fathers. how eloquent. and what reparations for those do you suggest?

[Spurminator]

yes, sins of the fathers. how eloquent. and what reparations for those do you suggest?

Taking the Confederate flag down from public places.

[boutons_deux]

not really. i think the confederate flag should get the swastika treatment IMO. rebs lost fair and square. but it's crazy that news outlets jumped on the flag after the shooting like they had that card to play the whole time for potential headlines. they were just waiting for the right cover story to roll with it. and it worked. genius, imo.

the swastika was a symbol for racial purity, the Aryan super race, WHITE supremacy, behind which midgets, Jews, gays, gypsies, etc, etc were slaughtered. There probably weren't many blacks in Germany and its conquered countries, but they probably would have been gassed and cooked, too.

The swastika is as much of a symbol of racism as is the modern usage of Confederate flag.

[The Reckoning]

Taking the Confederate flag down from public places.

if that's good enough for you then fair enough, i agree. but imo there's really not a drawn out line of where this begins and ends, and that worries me.

[The Reckoning]

the swastika was a symbol for racial purity, the Aryan super race, WHITE supremacy, behind which midgets, Jews, gays, gypsies, etc, etc were slaughtered. There probably weren't many blacks in Germany and its conquered countries, but they probably would have been gassed and cooked, too.

The swastika is as much of a symbol of racism as is the modern usage of Confederate flag.



that's why i said it should have been taken down long ago. but for it to be such a huge story out of nowhere like it was a card to be played is interesting.

[Spurminator]

if that's good enough for you then fair enough, i agree. but imo there's really not a drawn out line of where this begins and ends, and that worries me.

Well I certainly think there's more we can do to address poverty... Not sure it should be specifically along racial lines, but efforts there would certainly help to rectify some of the parts of our past that led to such a racial disparity below the poverty line.

[Trill Clinton]

finally taking down the confederate flag was the easy part. the real problem that white amerikkka is afraid to tackle is acknowledging their privilege, white supremacy and their hesitation to admit the systematic problem of white supremacy and its effect on blacks.

unfortunately, blacks are the only ones actively fighting against white supremacy and we can't do it alone. we need whites to speak out against their racist brethren, but that's like pulling teethhttp://i57.tinypic.com/1zxv6km.png

[The Reckoning]

Well I certainly think there's more we can do to address poverty... Not sure it should be specifically along racial lines, but efforts there would certainly help to rectify some of the parts of our past that led to such a racial disparity below the poverty line.


I think that has a lot to do with coming together in the public conscience rather than "advancing" certain demographics based on their background. all that does is create factions and disparity among the populace. yes, poverty is an issue imo, and that starts with the minimum wage. why work when you make more on unemployment than you do in the workforce?

[boutons_deux]

blacks are the only ones actively fighting against white supremacy and we can't do it alone

actually, the real problem is white MALE supremacy.

Women, white and otherwise, are fighting for equal pay for equal work, and fighting for higher minimum wage denied by white males, since it's women who suffer most in shitty paying jobs.

[The Reckoning]

boutons stealing my shit and making it about white male dominance

gfy :lol

[DMX7]

that's why i said it should have been taken down long ago. but for it to be such a huge story out of nowhere like it was a card to be played is interesting.

The flag was take down in South Carolina but reappeared in 1961... an obvious thumbing of the nose to the civil rights movement.

The debate didn't really come out of nowhere. The flag issue has been contentious for a while now. Having nine African-Americans get slaughtered by a confederate flag touting racist just highlighted how particularly egregious still flying that flag on public grounds is especially given that one of those killed was a state senator.

[Spurminator]

I think that has a lot to do with coming together in the public conscience rather than "advancing" certain demographics based on their background. all that does is create factions and disparity among the populace. yes, poverty is an issue imo, and that starts with the minimum wage. why work when you make more on unemployment than you do in the workforce?

:tu

[boutons_deux]

"why work when you make more on unemployment than you do in the workforce?"

do you have evidence supporting this VRWC LIE?

[The Reckoning]

The flag was take down in South Carolina but reappeared in 1961... an obvious thumbing of the nose to the civil rights movement.

The debate didn't really come out of nowhere. The flag issue has been contentious for a while now. Having nine African-Americans get slaughtered by a confederate flag touting racist just highlighted how particularly egregious still flying that flag on public grounds is especially given that one of those killed was a state senator.


yes lets ban rhodesian badges and bowl cuts too. that'll do the trick!

yes, by all means take down all the confederate flags and jefferson davis statutes etc etc. the point is that won't fix anything.

[The Reckoning]

"why work when you make more on unemployment than you do in the workforce?"

do you have evidence supporting this VRWC LIE?





because i've personally been familiar with fields where people will work a contract, apply for the full length of unemployment, then work again once they're cut off.

but i doubt you've ever had calluses on your hands so you're not familiar with the blue collared work force.

[boutons_deux]

because i've personally been familiar with fields where people will work a contract, apply for the full length of unemployment, then work again once they're cut off.

that's not evidence that unemployment PAYS more than employment, and it certainly doesn't apply to the vast majority of the unemployed, sporadically employed, etc

sounds like your example is for people who get a gig, get some money, gig stops, but they have enough money + unemployment pay to coast along until the next gig.

The "gig economy" is happening to more and more millions, replacing the financial security + benefits of full time jobs.

[Clipper Nation]

Women, white and otherwise, are fighting for equal pay for equal work, and fighting for higher minimum wage denied by white males, since it's women who suffer most in shitty paying jobs.
The wage gap is a myth:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472

[The Reckoning]

that's not evidence that unemployment PAYS more than employment, and it certainly doesn't apply to the vast majority of the unemployed, sporadically employed, etc

sounds like your example is for people who get a gig, get some money, gig stops, but they have enough money + unemployment pay to coast along until the next gig.

The "gig economy" is happening to more and more millions, replacing the financial security + benefits of full time jobs.


less incentive to work when minimum wage is pennies and ease of access to unemployment = gig economy. it's all over the states.

once the baby boomers are out of their tenured positions it will hopefully make it easier, but for now the minimum wage needs to increase.

[Spurminator]

Ideally, it would be just as difficult for someone with $1MM to get another $10K as it is for someone with $30K to get another $10K. That will never happen, but there's a lot of room for that gap to close.

[DMX7]

Basically we need to get to a point where it's just as difficult for someone with $1MM to get another $10K as it is for someone with $30K to get another $10K.

A decrease in the estate tax exemption would be nice... but these debates over minimum wage aren't going to be influenced at all by this shooting whether the media tried to connect the dots to it or not.

[boutons_deux]

once the baby boomers are out of their tenured positions it will hopefully make it easier, but for now the minimum wage needs to increase.

ah, the old LIE of "blame the boomers". Ms have been laid off from good jobs, lost their homes, age-ism blocks them from getting good jobs, or ANY job, again. many good jobs have disappeared for good.

tenure? G M A F B

[cd021]

no, the confederate flag should have been taken down during reconstruction IMO, but to make the whole shooting issue about confederate flags is woefully missing the point. it's not about confederate flags, it's about the whole black vs. white conversation, and it needs to stop. we need to see it as coming together as a nation rather than dividing people and using the "white" symbol (confederate flag, apparently?) as some sort of crusade against.

this is shit that the media is fueling, and y'all are eating it up one story at a time.

The fact that it hangs in the state capital is pretty remarkable. The confederate flag debate is actually along racial party lines. so it can be considered a microcosm of the race conversation. White Democrats and blacks view race much differently than white conservations who tend to highly skeptical if not downright dismissive on most issues where race may have been a factor.

Before the shooting only 31% of people thought that the flag represented racism. After its up to 64% with 21% in favor of the flag and 15% unsure.

Just getting people on the same page with the flag is a small victory. It clearly represents hate. The whole heritage not hate argument is one of the all-time great bullshit statements.

The flag was used quite often by the KKK and is still used today in their rally's. People were lynched, beaten or otherwise terrorized and intimated under that flags heritage. Thats not to mention it was the symbol for the traitors who broke off from the union and fought to keep slavery intact.

[Splits]

The wage gap is a myth:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472


Jesus fuck you are a huge faggot.

I can't wait to make your ST life miserable.

[boutons_deux]

The wage gap is a myth:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472

Murdoch toilet paper, ALWAYS pro-business and ALWAYS anti-employee, is fucking lying, and I'm not going to pay Murdoch to read their lies denying the pay gap male vs female.

[boutons_deux]

I wouldn't be surprised if some wealthy racist or racist org took the flag + statue case to the SCOTUS, and the SCOTUS5 were to rule that flying racist flags and building status of racist Confederate generals and politicans are absolutely, extremely protected free speech. If they can overturn 100+ years of stare decisis "calling balls and strikes" :lol call a corporation a person and money is speech, the SCOTUS5 can rule any old idiocy.

So let's let the neoNazis built big group statues of Hitler, Goering, Speer, Mendele, Himmler, etc opposite every huge synagogue in the USA. It's what civilized people do.

[cd021]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginias-mcauliffe-plans-to-phase-out-confederate-flag-license-plate/2015/06/23/bb8a1738-19b0-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html

V.A. governor removing the Confederate Flag from license plates. :tu

[boutons_deux]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginias-mcauliffe-plans-to-phase-out-confederate-flag-license-plate/2015/06/23/bb8a1738-19b0-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html

V.A. governor removing the Confederate Flag from license plates. :tu

Flag mfrs now stopping making Confederate flags. Quite an amazing HERD reaction (it's probably a painless, tiny fraction of any business' revenue, made in China anyway).

I'd also like to see ALL retailers to stop selling cigarettes, cigars, and chaw. That would keep the US/UK tobacco mfrs' for-profit slaughter off-shored to other countries, leaving USA to pay for many 100Ks of lung cancer victims for decades to come. The $Bs in costs of lung cancer victims is an "external cost" excluded from tobacco mfrs profits.

[boutons_deux]

Van de Putte Company Dropping Confederate Flags


https://www.texastribune.org/2015/06/23/san-antonio-company-stop-selling-confederate-flags/

[spurraider21]

i dont get why they're putting up so much of a fight about it?

:cry its a part of our history!

which part? the part where you seceded from the union for reasons including your desire to own human beings as property? or the part where you got your ass kicked, towns burned to the ground, and forced to undergo reconstruction?

[RandomGuy]

The fact that it hangs in the state capital is pretty remarkable. The confederate flag debate is actually along racial party lines. so it can be considered a microcosm of the race conversation. White Democrats and blacks view race much differently than white conservations who tend to highly skeptical if not downright dismissive on most issues where race may have been a factor.

Before the shooting only 31% of people thought that the flag represented racism. After its up to 64% with 21% in favor of the flag and 15% unsure.

Just getting people on the same page with the flag is a small victory. It clearly represents hate. The whole heritage not hate argument is one of the all-time great bullshit statements.

The flag was used quite often by the KKK and is still used today in their rally's. People were lynched, beaten or otherwise terrorized and intimated under that flags heritage. Thats not to mention it was the symbol for the traitors who broke off from the union and fought to keep slavery intact.

Pretty much.

It takes a real grade-A idiot to not understand how offensive it is, and some outright liars to claim it is just about heritage.

It was about white ownership of africans. That was what they were fighting for, and the actions of white southerners for 100+ years after their monstrous country was rightfully smashed provides all the evidence anyone should need to reach that conclusion.

[RandomGuy]

Van de Putte Company Dropping Confederate Flags


https://www.texastribune.org/2015/06/23/san-antonio-company-stop-selling-confederate-flags/

Heard that on TPR. Their distributors stopped carrying them.

Where are we going to get the flags to burn then? (one of the guys TPR interviewed was buying them for that very reason)

[spurraider21]

The fact that it hangs in the state capital is pretty remarkable. The confederate flag debate is actually along racial party lines. so it can be considered a microcosm of the race conversation. White Democrats and blacks view race much differently than white conservations who tend to highly skeptical if not downright dismissive on most issues where race may have been a factor.

Before the shooting only 31% of people thought that the flag represented racism. After its up to 64% with 21% in favor of the flag and 15% unsure.

Just getting people on the same page with the flag is a small victory. It clearly represents hate. The whole heritage not hate argument is one of the all-time great bullshit statements.

The flag was used quite often by the KKK and is still used today in their rally's. People were lynched, beaten or otherwise terrorized and intimated under that flags heritage. Thats not to mention it was the symbol for the traitors who broke off from the union and fought to keep slavery intact.
while i whole-heartedly agree that the flag has to go, i find that specific (bolded) reasoning to be laughable. if the KKK also drank a lot of coca-cola, would that make drinking coke offensive?

[baseline bum]

Pretty much.

It takes a real grade-A idiot to not understand how offensive it is, and some outright liars to claim it is just about heritage.

It was about white ownership of africans. That was what they were fighting for, and the actions of white southerners for 100+ years after their monstrous country was rightfully smashed provides all the evidence anyone should need to reach that conclusion.

:cry It was about state's rights :cry to own and rape ######s

[Nbadan]

It was about state's rights...to own slaves....

[admiralsnackbar]

while i whole-heartedly agree that the flag has to go, i find that specific (bolded) reasoning to be laughable. if the KKK also drank a lot of coca-cola, would that make drinking coke offensive? Based on that snippet, I'd totally agree with you, but it's the writer's fault for not being clearer. The Stars and Bars were practically forgotten until the 40's, when Dixiecrats (spearheaded by the KKK) started flying those colors to promote an anti-integration agenda. https://books.google.com/books?id=zs0VJTbNwfAC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=dixiecrat+battle+flag&source=bl&ots=4nNta0cdv-&sig=1kzd0p4KOM3bCRq92Q0-6GeOZrk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PUeIVZjrOpP5yQSH2YWIBA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=dixiecrat%20battle%20flag&f=false

[Nbadan]

http://i.imgur.com/Str9klJ.gif

[z0sa]

The Confederate flag is a symbol of a racism, agreed, but Southerners, like basically everyone, want their own "special" heritage to "celebrate." History, hell, the PRESENT is rife with examples of this. The battle flag as a source of pride in modern times is especially acute because of its representation of a "successful" period of rebellion from the most powerful nation on earth. It's really requires a sense of human perceptions as to why a lot of people in the South don't have a problem/are indifferent to it. I daresay the vast majority of the people who fly it/use it as a representation of the South or their beliefs would gladly have died for those 9 black lives if it meant killing the Dylann Roof, regardless of what "flag" or heritage they shared with him.

Likewise, I think the vast majority of people who "rally" behind the Confederate flag, if given the choice, would throw it away in favor of the 50 stars and stripes. People taking this shit too seriously, if you ask me. It's just a means of having pride in your locality for the most part. I don't fly it or hang with the type of people who do, but I am for the most part, indifferent to it. It's not like we'll ever have another civil war.

[cd021]

while i whole-heartedly agree that the flag has to go, i find that specific (bolded) reasoning to be laughable. if the KKK also drank a lot of coca-cola, would that make drinking coke offensive?

The KKK used the flag at the high of terror they were lynching people. The comparison is in of itself laughable:lol. The flag has always stood for hatred, so the KKK part is certainly relevant. a few morons can't say the flag is all about "heritage not hate" change what the flag symbolizes.

People have long been denial about what its represented. How can people be up in arms about the KKK in their towns and proudly wear a symbol which they've long used?

[cd021]

Based on that snippet, I'd totally agree with you, but it's the writer's fault for not being clearer. The Stars and Bars were practically forgotten until the 40's, when Dixiecrats (spearheaded by the KKK) started flying those colors to promote an anti-integration agenda. https://books.google.com/books?id=zs0VJTbNwfAC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=dixiecrat+battle+flag&source=bl&ots=4nNta0cdv-&sig=1kzd0p4KOM3bCRq92Q0-6GeOZrk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PUeIVZjrOpP5yQSH2YWIBA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=dixiecrat%20battle%20flag&f=false

His comparison makes it sound like the KKK endorsed the flag which in turn made the flag about hatred. Its always stood for hatred. They essentially picked up the ball and carried it much farther, with lynching, beatings and church burnings among other terrible acts.

According to you they've been using it for around 75 years. People can't get up in arms about the Klan and then proudly fly a flag in which they and the confederacy used to symbolize hatred and superiority over other races, while claiming its all about heritage. The heritage of the flag is hate.

[admiralsnackbar]

His comparison makes it sound like the KKK endorsed the flag which in turn made the flag about hatred. Its always stood for hatred. They essentially picked up the ball and carried it much farther, with lynching, beatings and church burnings among other terrible acts. According to you they've been using it for around 75 years. People can't get up in arms about the Klan and then proudly fly a flag in which they and the confederacy used to symbolize hatred and superiority over other races, while claiming its all about heritage. The heritage of the flag is hate. Don't dispute anything you've said -- the flag is inextricably tied to racism. I only meant to call attention to the fact that the flag was only resurrected politically in the 40's. Prior to that, it was not a widespread symbol of "Southern heritage."

[TheSanityAnnex]

The Confederate flag is a symbol of a racism, agreed, but Southerners, like basically everyone, want their own "special" heritage to "celebrate." History, hell, the PRESENT is rife with examples of this. The battle flag as a source of pride in modern times is especially acute because of its representation of a "successful" period of rebellion from the most powerful nation on earth. It's really requires a sense of human perceptions as to why a lot of people in the South don't have a problem/are indifferent to it. I daresay the vast majority of the people who fly it/use it as a representation of the South or their beliefs would gladly have died for those 9 black lives if it meant killing the Dylann Roof, regardless of what "flag" or heritage they shared with him.

Likewise, I think the vast majority of people who "rally" behind the Confederate flag, if given the choice, would throw it away in favor of the 50 stars and stripes. People taking this shit too seriously, if you ask me. It's just a means of having pride in your locality for the most part. I don't fly it or hang with the type of people who do, but I am for the most part, indifferent to it. It's not like we'll ever have another civil war.
This guy gets it. It's a fucking flag.


Also, this same racist asshole had pictures burning the Stars and Stripes and standing on our flag, yet....racist patriot??? Pick a fucking lane.

And if racism is still alive and well why not bring down the ol' Stars and Stripes? Nothing's changed amirite.

[baseline bum]

It was about state's rights...to own slaves....

and rape them

[Infinite_limit]

Does anyone dispute that the South's Glory Days were during Slavery? And the region hasn't recovered since

If I was a non-cuckolding Southern I would fly the flag proudly.

[Nbadan]

but Southerners, like basically everyone, want their own "special" heritage to "celebrate."

There are symbols of southern, even TX history that haven't been co-opted by racists groups like the Confederate flag....

http://www.flagemporium.com/images_products/gonzales2.gif

I don't think hardly anyone finds this offensive...

[Nbadan]

Seems we got it all wrong....slaves were just specialists brought here to teach Euros how to grown corn......truly the first HB-1 visa


Due to the omission of this crop in their European culture, English colonists who settled the rich North American land lacked the expertise required for the production of rice. Thus, the huge task of cultivating, processing, and packaging rice on South Carolina Plantations was commonly assigned to slaves. This task, though foreign to European colonists, proved to be quite common to the slaves who had been purposely imported from the rice growing region of West Africa. Where many English planters had failed in their previous attempts at growing and processing rice, the knowledge and rice-growing skills possessed by West Africans gave them a newfound success at cultivating the crop.”"

http://thinkprogress.org/education/2015/06/24/3673587/teach-history-slavery-south-carolina/

[boutons_deux]

"brought here to teach Euros how to grown corn"

no corn in Africa. It's a New World food, along with potatoes, tomatoes.

[Bender]

now former san antonio mayor, Castro, wants to re-name Lee High School. Don't politicians have anything better to do?

http://www.kens5.com/story/news/2015/06/24/confederate-controversy-julian-castro/29238223/

[boutons_deux]

Jon Stewart Offers The South A New Symbol To Replace The Confederate Flag


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/25/jon-stewart-confederate-flag_n_7660258.html

[fmedrano1977]

So when do we start banning white sheets?

[Trill Clinton]

i agree with my favorite rapper. if those slack jawed geeks want to fly their flags, they can, but don't fly it above state or federal buildings. i don't know why this is an issue for those who want to keep the flag anyway, its just a flag...

Killer Mike on Confederate Flag: "You Do Not Fly the Flag of Losers Over the Winners' Country"

He's fine with individuals using the flag, just not government institutions


Killer Mike (http://pitchfork.com/artists/5605-killer-mike/?utm_campaign=search&utm_medium=site&utm_source=search-ac) has spoken out about the Confederate flag, which has been the subject of intense debate over the last week. Following the shootings in Charleston, South Carolina (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/campaign-to-remove-confederate-symbols-from-public-lands-builds.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news), several states that fly the Confederate flag in some official capacity have pledged to either take it down (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/confederate-flag-furor/alabama-gov-robert-bentley-orders-confederate-flag-taken-down-capitol-n380946), or open a legislative discussion about doing so (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/nikki-haley-confederate-flag-south-carolina-press-conference/).

In a new piece on The Fader (http://www.thefader.com/2015/06/24/killer-mike-confederate-flag), Killer Mike said he doesn't begrudge any individual who wears the flag, but that it should be removed from government property. "That side lost, and you do not fly the flags of losers over the winners' country," he said. "It's just that simple. There's no way around that."
He continued:


If your great great grandfather participated on the Confederate side and you hold some sentimental value to that, and you want to fly the flag and hang their picture up in your home, that's fine. But it should not be on anything that taxpayers pay for, because taxpayers are a part of the Union not the Confederacy. It has no place in the building, no place on the building, no place around the building.


He talked about growing up in the South, where the flag is commonplace:


Many of my neighbors have them. As a Southerner, I understand how it represents our heritage and lives lost in that war. I'll give you that at the negotiation table. But my firm stance is that any group of traitors, anyone who tried to break up this country, deserves no honor once they've lost.
Did the people who lost that war profit from slavery? Yes! Has that symbol been used by stupid, dumb redneck racists? Yes. Has it been used by neo-Nazis? Yes. Has it been used as a way to intimidate black people? Yes, absolutely. As a child, the Confederate flag was explained to me as a flag of racism, that there are often men who will use that flag to try to terrorize black people.


Mike also stressed that his objections to the flag don't have to do with his feelings:


My primary objection to it is firmly grounded in a political argument, not an emotional one. It's less to do about me—"Hey, I'm black and it hurts my feelings, it's a symbol of slavery and oppression"—and more to do with the fact that, as an American, I will not honor a group of treacherous traitors. That's why I despise the rebel flag. Long live the South, and quickly die the Confederacy.


Read the whole piece here (http://www.thefader.com/2015/06/24/killer-mike-confederate-flag).

[Clipper Nation]

There are symbols of southern, even TX history that haven't been co-opted by racists groups like the Confederate flag....

http://www.flagemporium.com/images_products/gonzales2.gif

I don't think hardly anyone finds this offensive...
In before SJWs ban that flag for being "triggering" and "promoting rape culture."

[boutons_deux]

http://www.truthdig.com/images/made/images/cartoonuploads/9C3E5FF7-EF65-441A-94F6-3DC33136DB57_500_356.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Ken Burns: Confederate flag isn't about heritage. It's about resistance to civil rights.

Ken Burns, the documentarian behind PBS's acclaimed The Civil War series, blasted the myth that the Confederate flag (http://www.vox.com/2015/6/20/8818093/confederate-flag-south-carolina-charleston-shooting) isn't a symbol of racism and white supremacy during a Thursday appearance on MSNBC's Morning Joe (http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/ken-burns--flag-issue-is-not-about-heritage-471107139790).

"I think what happens is that we build up over time the sense of an excuse about why it came," Burns said. "If you read … South Carolina's articles of secession in November — after [Abraham] Lincoln's election of 1860 — they don't mention states' rights, they don't mention nullification. They mention slavery over and over again."

He later added, "Those [Confederate] flags came in after Brown v. Board of Education. This is not about heritage. This is about resistance to civil rights."

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/25/8846879/ken-burns-civil-war

[velik_m]

Apple has now joined a host of merchants in removing the Confederate flag from its platform – in its case, the iTunes App Store. Several app developers are now reporting that their Civil War games, which featured imagery of the flag as part of their game’s historical context, have been pulled from the App Store.

Apple’s move to ban these games follows similar decisions by a number of major retailers, including Amazon, Walmart, eBay, Sears and others, which all announced bans on the sale of Confederate flag merchandise in the wake of the shooting deaths of nine black parishioners at a church in Charleston, S.C., this month.

http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/25/apple-bans-games-and-apps-featuring-the-confederate-flag/

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/25/apple-bans-games-and-apps-featuring-the-confederate-flag/

I understand taking it down from gov buildings but this is going to far. Are kids now just going to learn about a one-sided civil war?

[Infinite_limit]

Can someone please convince me the South is better off without slavery?

[spurraider21]

i do agree the flag has no place being flown by the state... if an individual wants to waive the flag, its his right, but the state shouldn't endorse it

but :lol at this sudden PC movement. nobody gave a shit (general public) about this one flag, now its the talk of the country. and LOL at apple doing that. why didnt they take it down before? it wasn't offensive then?

[Spurminator]

I understand taking it down from gov buildings but this is going to far. Are kids now just going to learn about a one-sided civil war?

Yeah this is dumb. I expect a lot of the business "bans" on the flag to be temporary. No way eBay, for example, is going to police Confederate Flag stuff in perpetuity. They don't even ban Nazi gear.

The Apple thing makes no sense to me. Was anyone complaining about the flag in a Civil War game?

[ChumpDumper]

Can someone please convince me the South is better off without slavery?Sure -- they don't have slavery anymore.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yeah this is dumb. I expect a lot of the business "bans" on the flag to be temporary. No way eBay, for example, is going to police Confederate Flag stuff in perpetuity. They don't even ban Nazi gear.

The Apple thing makes no sense to me. Was anyone complaining about the flag in a Civil War game?

I don't see how the businesses the eBay will walk it back though. Pretty comedy how Confederate flags sales are soaring now. SC should have just quietly taken them down, once the SJW's got involved on social media it just took off. I bet there are more flags flying and being worn today in the South than ever before.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't see how the businesses the eBay will walk it back though. Pretty comedy how Confederate flags sales are soaring now. SC should have just quietly taken them down, once the SJW's got involved on social media it just took off. I bet there are more flags flying and being worn today in the South than ever before.Fine with me. Just stop flying it over gubmit stuff.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Fine with me. Just stop flying it over gubmit stuff.
No argument from me.

[Infinite_limit]

Sure -- they don't have slavery anymore.
Lol. That's like saying Mexico is enjoying it's glory days because there are less foreigners

[ChumpDumper]

Lol. That's like saying Mexico is enjoying it's glory days because there are less foreignersNo, the south is better because there is no slavery anymore.

It's pretty simple. Would've been better had there never been slavery in the first place but there you go. The worst thing about the South is many southerners' thinking things were better during slave times. It's been holding the region back for almost 150 years.

[Infinite_limit]

No, the south is better because there is no slavery anymore.

It's pretty simple. Would've been better had there never been slavery in the first place but there you go. The worst thing about the South is many southerners' thinking things were better during slave times. It's been holding the region back for almost 150 years.
Their economy hasn't recovered since abolishing slavery

Who gives a fk how a minority group was treated

[ChumpDumper]

Their economy hasn't recovered since abolishing slaveryDefine "recovered" -- was Mississippi's standard of living higher in 1840 than it is today?

Is North Carolina's?



Who gives a fk how a minority group was treatedWhite southerners spend almost as much time caring about what blacks think as you do. That's a big part of the problem. They live in abject and constant fear of minorities, just like you do.

[Infinite_limit]

Define "recovered" -- was Mississippi's standard of living higher in 1840 than it is today?

Is North Carolina's?


White southerners spend almost as much time caring about what blacks think as you do. That's a big part of the problem. They live in abject and constant fear of minorities, just like you do.
Annoyance. 7/10 an outrageous acting individual is Black and there aren't even that many of them here in San Diego!

The South is relatively worse off compared to the rest of the USA than it was during slavery [by a wide margin]. Please tell me you don't actually think Northerners went after the South because of some moral high ground. They wanted to cripple the South. Mission accomplished. The South today is practically unlivable.

[ChumpDumper]

Annoyance. 7/10 an outrageous acting individual is Black and there aren't even that many of them here in San Diego! See, you're thinking about them right now.


The South is relatively worse off compared to the rest of the USA than it was during slavery [by a wide margin].I'll wait for your figures proving that.

Will I be waiting long?


Please tell me you don't actually think Northerners went after the South because of some moral high ground. They wanted to cripple the South. Mission accomplished. The South today is practically unlivable.They wanted the South to stay in the Union. It's not like the North started the war. The South did.

[Infinite_limit]

See, you're thinking about them right now.

I'll wait for your figures proving that.

Will I be waiting long?

They wanted the South to stay in the Union. It's not like the North started the war. The South did.
A) I'm responding to your accusation

B) So people had slaves because they got tired of having dogs? Obviously there was an economic benefit from a cost-less work force. How could being forced to pay blacks for work after the Civil War be better? Because Blacks sure are the entrepreneur type.

C) And Russia wanted Ukraine to stay in the [Soviet] Union.

[ChumpDumper]

A) I'm responding to your accusationAnd you did nothing to refute it or prove anything you claimed.


B) So people had slaves because they got tired of having dogs? Obviously there was an economic benefit from a cost-less work force. How could being forced to pay blacks for work after the Civil War be better? Because Blacks sure are the entrepreneur type.Many were. Much more successful than you could ever hope to be tbh.

And blacks were a whole new market. Southerners were too busy being afraid of them to notice and tried to exclude them as much as possible. Cant blame them too much for their fear; they did enslave all those people.


C) And Russia wanted Ukraine to stay in the [Soviet] Union.Do they even speak the same language? It's not like the North started the war. The South did.

And they lost. Horribly. Decisively.

[Trill Clinton]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/north-charleston-sgt-shannon-dildine-fired-wearing-confederate/story?id=32038900

http://i61.tinypic.com/2u8kq5f.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/2i8vpfk.jpg

[Infinite_limit]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/north-charleston-sgt-shannon-dildine-fired-wearing-confederate/story?id=32038900

http://i61.tinypic.com/2u8kq5f.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/2i8vpfk.jpg

Should sue, win Millions of dollars. Buy thousands of similar shorts

[ChumpDumper]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/north-charleston-sgt-shannon-dildine-fired-wearing-confederate/story?id=32038900

http://i61.tinypic.com/2u8kq5f.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/2i8vpfk.jpg
lol facebook politics.

[LnGrrrR]

Do people know that when they fly the Confederate flag, they're siding with losers? Literally, they lost. It's a heritage of losing. You might as well fly an LA Clippers flag over your home.

[LnGrrrR]

Can someone please convince me the South is better off without slavery?

As soon as you convince us that this board is better off with you.

[boutons_deux]

6 black churches burned so far IN THE SOUTH, obviously due to bad weather

[cd021]

http://imgick.nola.com/home/nola-media/width960/img/tpphotos/photo/2015/06/28/-3d5b40ff265e29b6.JPG
https://localtvwtvr.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/vandalism-03.jpg?w=770&h=433

Confederate Statues being tagged in New Orleans and Richmond VA.

brings up a larger issue of honoring a bunch of traitors who with statues. Even worse than the confederate flag.

[LnGrrrR]

I have no problem with honoring individuals. People can be mistaken in their time. We honor Jefferson who had slaves, for instance. But the current day Confederate flag is about way more than "Southern Pride", which is the problem. Southerners, I'm sorry that your flag has been co-opted to mean racism. Sucks to be you. Find some new symbol.

[Infinite_limit]

I have no problem with honoring individuals. People can be mistaken in their time. We honor Jefferson who had slaves, for instance. But the current day Confederate flag is about way more than "Southern Pride", which is the problem. Southerners, I'm sorry that your flag has been co-opted to mean racism. Sucks to be you. Find some new symbol.
http://d16ao1gdhk6qlj.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/article-2598174-1CE30B1E00000578-729_636x382.jpg

http://cdn.straightfromthea.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Beyonce-Jay-Z-Obama-Fundraiser-7.jpg

[Infinite_limit]

http://imgick.nola.com/home/nola-media/width960/img/tpphotos/photo/2015/06/28/-3d5b40ff265e29b6.JPG
https://localtvwtvr.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/vandalism-03.jpg?w=770&h=433

Confederate Statues being tagged in New Orleans and Richmond VA.

brings up a larger issue of honoring a bunch of traitors who with statues. Even worse than the confederate flag.
Agreed, bring down the Lincoln Memorial

[boutons_deux]

KKK plans S.C. Statehouse rally, says Dylann Roof ‘was heading in the right direction’http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Members-of-the-KKK-hold-a-rally-800x430.jpg


“He was heading in the right direction; wrong target,” Jones told the Post and Courier.“He should have actually aimed at the African-American gang-bangers, the ones who are selling the drugs to white youth, the ones who are robbing and raping every chance they get.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/kkk-plans-s-c-statehouse-rally-says-dylann-roof-was-heading-in-the-right-direction/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

I wonder what the police would do if 300 blacks showed up with long guns and stood real close to the KKK assholes?

[Infinite_limit]

Jones told the Post and Courier.“He should have actually aimed at the African-American gang-bangers



Do any Non-Blacks disagree with this statement?

[cd021]

http://images.politico.com/global/2015/06/29/150629_kkk_confederate_flag_ap_1160_956x519.jpg

KKK to protest at South Carolina Statehouse grounds next month :lmao

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/kkk-chapter-north-carolina-rally-south-carolina-statehouse-confederate-flag-119548.html?hp=l2_4

#herritagenothate

[LnGrrrR]

Infinite Limit, making as much sense as always

[Spurminator]

Do any Non-Blacks disagree with this statement?

Yes. Plenty do.

[Infinite_limit]

Yes. Plenty do.
Well there are alot of gutless cuckolds living in the USA

[Infinite_limit]

Infinite Limit, making as much sense as always
- Jayz is a racist. Also good buddies with black President
- Many consider Lincoln a traitor, when do we destroy his memorial?

[Spurminator]

Well there are alot of gutless cuckolds living in the USA

Nah, see, the gutless cuckold would be the person who thinks gangbangers SHOULD be shot indiscriminately but doesn't have the balls to do anything about it.

Come on hero, where's your nut sack? Go fight the good fight.

[ChumpDumper]

- Jayz is a racist. Also good buddies with black PresidentHow is he a racist?

- Many consider Lincoln a traitor, when do we destroy his memorial?When are you going to destroy his memorial?

[Infinite_limit]

Nah, see, the gutless cuckold would be the person who thinks gangbangers SHOULD be shot indiscriminately but doesn't have the balls to do anything about it.

Come on hero, where's your nut sack? Go fight the good fight.
I want the USA to collapse for the benefit of White Civilization. Hooray to blacks.

[Infinite_limit]

How is he a racist?
When are you going to destroy his memorial?
In image he is wearing Anti-White clothing brand

[Oh, Gee!!]

In image he is wearing Anti-White clothing brand

The shirt? What brand is it? FUBU?

[Infinite_limit]

The shirt? What brand is it? FUBU?

'5 percent nation' necklace

[ChumpDumper]

In image he is wearing Anti-White clothing brand


'5 percent nation' necklaceExplain how all these are anti-white.

[Oh, Gee!!]

'5 percent nation' necklace

the pendant has a 7. you mean 7 percent?

[unleashbaynes]

Does anyone dispute that the South's Glory Days were during Slavery? And the region hasn't recovered since

If I was a non-cuckolding Southern I would fly the flag proudly.

texas seems to be booming. so yeah, we're fine, dipshit.

[ChumpDumper]

texas seems to be booming. so yeah, we're fine, dipshit.Right. The glory days for the South are these days for the states that chose to leave the past in the past.

[Infinite_limit]

Right. The glory days for the South are these days for the states that chose to leave the past in the past.
YAY for the War of Northern Aggression.

They sure "liberated" the South much like Libya

[ChumpDumper]

YAY for the War of Northern Aggression.lol the South started the war.


They sure "liberated" the South much like LibyaThey did liberate all those slaves.

[Infinite_limit]

lol the South started the war.

They did liberate all those slaves.
Just like the Libyans are now free to sail ashore to Greek Islands

[ChumpDumper]

Just like the Libyans are now free to sail ashore to Greek IslandsHow is that analogous at all?

Explain.

[DMX7]

Wal-Mart makes ISIS Cake:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/06/30/confederate-flag-isis-walmart-cake/29495379/

The person who requested this most seriously have no life.

[LnGrrrR]

- Jayz is a racist. Also good buddies with black President
- Many consider Lincoln a traitor, when do we destroy his memorial?

Sorry, I don't follow the "Jay Z is a racist" bit; I don't understand the significance of that symbol. And I already noted it's stupid to destroy memorials. Revering southern leaders is fine; they were people. The flag is a symbol, which has come to represent racism more than "heritage".

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sorry, I don't follow the "Jay Z is a racist" bit; I don't understand the significance of that symbol. And I already noted it's stupid to destroy memorials. Revering southern leaders is fine; they were people. The flag is a symbol, which has come to represent racism more than "heritage".

South Carolina seceded from the Union claiming encroachment of their property rights. Soon after VA, the Carolinas and the majority of the slave states followed suit. At that time 1/3 of the population in the south was black. Let's not forget that following the turn of the century starting around 1805, white southerners who were afraid of the Haitian slave rebellion, started using eugenics and the like to cull their slaves. Insubordination of course meant death and slaves were kept in primitive conditions.

When the Confederate congress formed the army and Lee was appointed, that was the flag that he raised when he attacked Maryland and up into Pennsylvania.

After they lost several years later and during the northern occupation of the south, former confederate soldiers either went west and settled in AZ, NM, UT, and CA or they stayed home and reraised the flag in insurrection. The Klan comes out of that. When the Union left, the democrats reasserted themselves and began manipulating local elections. Poll taxes and tests. Lynch mobs and reprisals if need be. They reraised the battle flag on their statehouses.

You cannot separate the heritage of that flag and racism. There is much worse in the human character than racism that is represented by the confederacy and what white people in the south did from 1750-1965. They're still doing the same shit now in the GOP which is one of the greater historical ironies. ID laws and gerrymandered districts. Stacking courts. It's all part of the same thing.

[z0sa]

Wal-Mart makes ISIS Cake:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/06/30/confederate-flag-isis-walmart-cake/29495379/

The person who requested this most seriously have no life.

are you deflecting for wal-mart? :lol

[Infinite_limit]

South Carolina seceded from the Union claiming encroachment of their property rights. Soon after VA, the Carolinas and the majority of the slave states followed suit. At that time 1/3 of the population in the south was black. Let's not forget that following the turn of the century starting around 1805, white southerners who were afraid of the Haitian slave rebellion, started using eugenics and the like to cull their slaves. Insubordination of course meant death and slaves were kept in primitive conditions.

When the Confederate congress formed the army and Lee was appointed, that was the flag that he raised when he attacked Maryland and up into Pennsylvania.

After they lost several years later and during the northern occupation of the south, former confederate soldiers either went west and settled in AZ, NM, UT, and CA or they stayed home and reraised the flag in insurrection. The Klan comes out of that. When the Union left, the democrats reasserted themselves and began manipulating local elections. Poll taxes and tests. Lynch mobs and reprisals if need be. They reraised the battle flag on their statehouses.

You cannot separate the heritage of that flag and racism. There is much worse in the human character than racism that is represented by the confederacy and what white people in the south did from 1750-1965. They're still doing the same shit now in the GOP which is one of the greater historical ironies. ID laws and gerrymandered districts. Stacking courts. It's all part of the same thing.

What is wrong with ID laws?

[DMX7]

are you deflecting for wal-mart? :lol

No, just an observation.

[admiralsnackbar]

What is wrong with ID laws? Most people who don't drive cars or travel internationally don't have IDs, so voter ID laws are a convenient way of adding an obstacle to keep the poor from voting. I ultimately don't think the laws are a bad idea in and of themselves (although the claim that said laws were justified by vast numbers of voter fraud incidents have been proven false repeatedly), but the infrastructure to make it easy/fast/cheap for all Americans to get IDs doesn't exist yet, which means a fairly large swath of voters will not be represented until that infrastructure exists... that is a problem.

[Infinite_limit]

Most people who don't drive cars or travel internationally don't have IDs, so voter ID laws are a convenient way of adding an obstacle to keep the poor from voting. I ultimately don't think the laws are a bad idea in and of themselves (although the claim that said laws were justified by vast numbers of voter fraud incidents have been proven false repeatedly), but the infrastructure to make it easy/fast/cheap for all Americans to get IDs doesn't exist yet, which means a fairly large swath of voters will not be represented until that infrastructure exists... that is a problem.
I think the USA (land of Opportunity) cannot yield for the Poor. The benefits from increased personal safety out weight keeping an unpleasant percentage of the population happy. Being poor should always be viewed as an inconvenience not an excuse.

[admiralsnackbar]

I think the USA (land of Opportunity) cannot yield for the Poor. The benefits from increased personal safety out weight keeping an unpleasant percentage of the population happy. Being poor should always be viewed as an inconvenience not an excuse. Not following your leap from voting to safety. Increased personal safety is the right of all citizens, poor and rich alike. As to the rest of your point, you make it sound as if we are talking about people who have always been and will always be poor, but the poor of this generation won't be the poor of the next. Look at the Irish, Welsh, German, Italian, Asian, Jewish, etc communities... all started poor (and were explicitly targeted for disenfranchisement by more established/wealthier people), and all moved up the latter in time (and even though you're clearly a raging racist, there's already evidence that the black community is joining the middle class in growing numbers since the American Civil Rights Act made granted them the same rights under law as those enjoyed by other races).

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What's wrong with a literacy test?

Ever heard of the 24th amendment? Know any of the history behind it?

[Infinite_limit]

Not following your leap from voting to safety. Increased personal safety is the right of all citizens, poor and rich alike. As to the rest of your point, you make it sound as if we are talking about people who have always been and will always be poor, but the poor of this generation won't be the poor of the next. Look at the Irish, Welsh, German, Italian, Asian, Jewish, etc communities... all started poor (and were explicitly targeted for disenfranchisement by more established/wealthier people), and all moved up the latter in time (and even though you're clearly a raging racist, there's already evidence that the black community is joining the middle class in growing numbers since the American Civil Rights Act made granted them the same rights under law as those enjoyed by other races).
I originally considered ID laws in OP to also mean Arizona "race based" asking people to show a form of ID

A person willing to work needs to be in possession of ID. I recognize the issue in finding work without a mailing address but I wouldn't walk into a job interview or ask for application without an ID. Age of 18+ what is more important than a form of ID? You can't open a bank account/obtain ATM card. Using credit card does/should require ID.

I just view an individual without ID as up to no good. Stuck in time with no option of improving.

[LnGrrrR]

South Carolina seceded from the Union claiming encroachment of their property rights. Soon after VA, the Carolinas and the majority of the slave states followed suit. At that time 1/3 of the population in the south was black. Let's not forget that following the turn of the century starting around 1805, white southerners who were afraid of the Haitian slave rebellion, started using eugenics and the like to cull their slaves. Insubordination of course meant death and slaves were kept in primitive conditions.

When the Confederate congress formed the army and Lee was appointed, that was the flag that he raised when he attacked Maryland and up into Pennsylvania.

After they lost several years later and during the northern occupation of the south, former confederate soldiers either went west and settled in AZ, NM, UT, and CA or they stayed home and reraised the flag in insurrection. The Klan comes out of that. When the Union left, the democrats reasserted themselves and began manipulating local elections. Poll taxes and tests. Lynch mobs and reprisals if need be. They reraised the battle flag on their statehouses.

You cannot separate the heritage of that flag and racism. There is much worse in the human character than racism that is represented by the confederacy and what white people in the south did from 1750-1965. They're still doing the same shit now in the GOP which is one of the greater historical ironies. ID laws and gerrymandered districts. Stacking courts. It's all part of the same thing.

I understand all that. However, people can only be "symbols" to a limited extent, because they are people. Sure, we can view Bruce Lee as the prototypical martial artist, and Jordan as a basketball player, etc etc, but they can't personify ideals, themes, etc as well as a symbol, because a symbol isn't "real". Morality evolves as surely as we do, and to hold our forebearers to the same morality we hold today seems ignorant, in my eyes. Imagine if, due to the rising population and limited global resources, eating meat was considered immoral, due to both the conditions most animals are raised in as well as the fact that producing meat takes far more energy than producing vegetables. Would it be correct for them to label us as "immoral"? You have to look at the time period in which these people lived. Assuming that the figure idolized wasn't openly beating/maiming/torturing his slaves, I don't have a big issue with it.

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http://images.dailykos.com/images/151780/large/1245ckCOMIC-confederate-flag.png?1435795251

[djohn2oo8]

Sorry, I don't follow the "Jay Z is a racist" bit; I don't understand the significance of that symbol. And I already noted it's stupid to destroy memorials. Revering southern leaders is fine; they were people. The flag is a symbol, which has come to represent racism more than "heritage".

It's a symbol of racism and hate. No way to separate it. Confederate states began to raise the flag in opposition to desegregation court cases in the 60s. Slavery was the basis of the civil war. The secession statements say it all. When people say "southern pride" it's really a code for "we are traitors and got our asses kicked decisively, but it would be nice to have some dignity left". Those same southern leaders did treat blacks horribly.

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White Southern hate, stripped bare for all to see


http://www.salon.com/2015/07/05/white_southern_hate_stripped_bare_for_all_to_see/

[cd021]

It's a symbol of racism and hate. No way to separate it. Confederate states began to raise the flag in opposition to desegregation court cases in the 60s. Slavery was the basis of the civil war. The secession statements say it all. When people say "southern pride" it's really a code for "we are traitors and got our asses kicked decisively, but it would be nice to have some dignity left". Those same southern leaders did treat blacks horribly.

:tu

[RandomGuy]

What is wrong with ID laws?

They solve a problem that doesn't exist.

In any cost to benefit analysis, that gives it a pretty bad ratio...

Why should we spend money fixing imaginary problems? Isn't that a bit like creating an agency to prevent unicorn rustling?

[Oh, Gee!!]

According to yahoo, the flag is coming down tomorrow from SC state run facilities.

[Infinite_limit]

According to yahoo, the flag is coming down tomorrow from SC state run facilities.
Countless job-less blacks will be celebrating in the streets

[Spurminator]

Countless job-less blacks will be celebrating in the streets

Sorry for your loss.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Muh flag!

[cd021]

:lol at those bitching about their heritage being suppressed. The KKK is protest the flag coming down in a rally at the NC state grounds on July 19th.

#heritagenothate :lmao

[Extra Stout]

I don't identify with that flag. But I'm from Texas, from a part where the culture is not strongly Southern, and so the Texas flag is the one that symbolizes pride in where I'm from. So it makes sense that I don't identify with that flag. But I've known a lot of people who do.

A symbol means whatever it means to the person viewing the symbol. When almost everyone views a symbol the same way, it's easy to communicate. When views diverge, and there are strong feelings behind those different views, communication falls apart. I've seen that flag mean Southern regional pride, a general sense of rebellion, resentment of Yankees and/or white liberals, and support of white supremacy/hatred of black people. Given the history, those meanings are confounded with one another.

I understand why the Lost Cause mythology emerged after the Civil War. Part of it is for the same reason the Turks refuse to call the Armenian Genocide a genocide and West Germany struggled to deal with the legacy of the Third Reich after World War II. Part of it is because Radical Reconstruction spawned the Lost Cause mythology in much the same way that the Treaty of Versailles sparked the Dolchstosslegende. Part of it was because it really wasn't in the best interest of the leaders of the South to tell people the truth, that they had lost life, limb, and livelihood for the dreams of the elite to build a slave empire stretching across the Equator.

It doesn't make the Lost Cause mythology true. The original documents bear out just how much of a lie it is. The primary thing the Confederate constitution said about state's rights was that when it came to slavery, they didn't have any. Slavery was federally enshrined. But I get why people cling to those so-called heroes.

And I get why they cling to that flag. I think I get why it is the flag of the battlefield, and not one of the national flags, that resonated with the people. The battlefield is what was seared into their memories. Just because you defend your home and your family against an invading army doesn't make you a white-supremacist slavery apologist.

So I really do believe them when they tell me it's about "heritage." I don't ascribe to them ulterior motives that secretly they just really hate black people and wish slavery could come back, or at least Jim Crow. I don't feel the need to engage in moral preening and beat on them to signal to my peers that I'm one of the "right kind of white people" and not one of those unwashed backward redneck untermenschen. I'm self-aware enough not to construct a false moral high ground to label people bigots in order to justify my bigotry against them.

Even if it is heritage, though, only white people in the South see that flag that way. Black people do not. It's de facto about white Southern heritage, not general Southern heritage. And that's perfectly fine to be proud of being a Southern white person. It might help to be more honest about the bad along with the good, but every culture struggles with that. The Stars and Stripes flew over slave plantations for over 80 years. The Lone Star flag calls to mind Texians who won independence from Mexico, and also secured the institution of slavery.

And yet, public property belongs to the entire public, not just the white public. So it can't be OK to fly a flag representing just one race somewhere that belongs to everyone. There can be exceptions in public places where the context is clearly historical, since it is part of history and it does nobody any good to erase that.

Southerners were proud that the people of Charleston chose unity, not division, after the terrorist murder of nine people. But if that unity is really meant to be more than a short-term gesture, then the beliefs of one's black neighbors matter. I'd venture a guess that the black man next to the white man on the bridge is a lot more sympathetic to feelings of Southern pride than a white hipster in Portland is. After all, it is his home too.

Perhaps being proud together, though, means folding up that old mythology so long clung to, and finally putting it away in favor of something better.

[DarrinS]

^:clap



I'm self-aware enough not to construct a false moral high ground to label people bigots in order to justify my bigotry against them.


:tu

[mingus]

I'm glad it's coming off govt. property. It's an embarrassment. It's a supremecist symbol. I've lived in the South before (not like Texas south, but hill billy central south) and out of the many dipshits that I got to know (through work mainly) who displayed the flag, all of them--every single one--were racist. There wasn't a non-white supremacist that I ever saw that displayed it for some bullshit historical or heritage reason. It's only the symbol for white trash red necks and is a disgrace to have it displayed on govt. property.

[DarrinS]

I'm glad it's coming off govt. property. It's an embarrassment. It's a supremecist symbol. I've lived in the South before (not like Texas south, but hill billy central south) and out of the many dipshits that I got to know (through work mainly) who displayed the flag, all of them--every single one--were racist. There wasn't a non-white supremacist that I ever saw that displayed it for some bullshit historical or heritage reason. It's only the symbol for white trash red necks and is a disgrace to have it displayed on govt. property.


I suspect a large majority of people who love it or are offended by it, know very little about the actual history of it.

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I suspect a large majority of people who love it or are offended by it, know very little about the actual history of it.

probably, America, esp Confederate and red state America, is low-info, ignorant.

[Clipper Nation]

probably, America... is low-info, ignorant.

^ Exhibit A.

[DarrinS]

probably, America, esp Confederate and red state America, is low-info, ignorant.

They should be sent to reeducation camps.

[mingus]

I suspect a large majority of people who love it or are offended by it, know very little about the actual history of it.

Probably.

Maybe it's a symbol that has a dignifiable origin. What it's turned into is something else.

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Maybe it's a symbol that has a dignifiable origin.

whatever the origin, there's no maybe what is has sybolized in the last 70 or so years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#First_n ational_flag:_.22The_Stars_and_Bars.22_.281861.E2. 80.931863.29

The rebel flag was largely forgotten after the Civil War, until the post WWII era, esp after Brown v Board of Education, when it became the flag of racism, white supremacy, segregation, rebelling, again, against the Union. It went up on the SC state capitol in 1961.

[pgardn]

They should be sent to reeducation camps.

Send the Jews as well, let them learn the history of the swastika.
Tell em is just an old Chinese symbol. Or it's other origins could be emphasized.
I sure the Jews will like the camp thing.


But the overall point of who is offended by what does get out of control. There is not some magic # or formula.

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probably, America, esp Confederate and red state America, is low-info, ignorant.
Yet you Northerners fought a bloody War to ensure they wouldn't leave

Go figure.......

[Infinite_limit]

They should be sent to reeducation camps.
There would be no USA without those "racist, ignorant Southerners"

When shit hits the fan in America, all the wealthy and 2nd Generation immigrants are getting the hell out of dodge. Hate them all you want but they love the USA more than you or any of your enlightened pals.

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http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/kegstermd/11737955_691162574323690_2130069774525948381_n_zps fn1tsqub.jpg

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/kegstermd/5-2-2015-1-48-23-PM_zpswlynvlsl.jpg

[Oh, Gee!!]

Is that Jay Z?

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Steve "cantaloup calves" King doesn't disappoint

Rep. Steve King: 'Caucasian Christians' ended slavery; flag critics should stop being 'divisive' (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/11/1400858/-Rep-Steve-King-Caucasian-Christians-ended-slavery-flag-critics-should-stop-being-divisive)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/11/1400858/-Rep-Steve-King-Caucasian-Christians-ended-slavery-flag-critics-should-stop-being-divisive?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29#

No mention who of who started slavery?

[TheSanityAnnex]

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http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/kegstermd/5-2-2015-1-48-23-PM_zpswlynvlsl.jpg


Looks like this ignorant fucks had a lot in common with Dylan Roof. Someone with a Facebook should post these pictures to their pages.

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/roof%20flag_zpse4fqpygv.jpg

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[TheSanityAnnex]

ffs

[Clipper Nation]

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[russellgoat]

What do Liberals here think about burning and disrespecting the Mexican flag. After all their government also abused native people and allowed slavery.

[boutons_deux]

What do Liberals here think about burning and disrespecting the Mexican flag. After all their government also abused native people and allowed slavery.

flags are just fabrics.

Repugs invading Iraq for oil was horribly more disrespectful of USA and the military than mere symbolic flag burning.

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Just like the Nazis, 1000s of Confederate traitors/America-haters fled to S. America

BRAZIL’S SECRET HISTORY OF SOUTHERN HOSPITALITY





The American South is Alive and Well in Brazil (http://narrative.us5.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=75fd15d26b96a36801073cfe1&id=eb0f9d5149&e=709a9ef53a)











https://ci6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/A2ruJmYsFnYUbdApogPnksIN2rkQuzNIX-Z2erjkfB7UTtnCIBz21lFqkUpoYbXyViKVOBhsEu7zphX8yXl6 aeXy_kl0-ktqZ6K8PCRD4Ay7h4sQuQaBXlekgQYyGztfxA-GGbcUjr4Zg9a3UW4PbwhPDtzkpbeveV1eaHw=s0-d-e1-ft#https://gallery.mailchimp.com/75fd15d26b96a36801073cfe1/images/8e98b6b2-50c5-463b-84f5-71f6e161c64c.jpg (http://narrative.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=75fd15d26b96a36801073cfe1&id=b53042b50b&e=709a9ef53a)




After the American Civil War, some 7,000 Confederates set sail for Brazil. Their Dixie-loving descendants represent one of the most curious cultures in the modern world










After the Civil War, Brazil had been as much a land of opportunity for American Southerners as the United States had been for Europeans.

Instead of stomaching life under Yankee rule, as many as 7,000 Confederates opted to set sail for Brazil, a country twice the size of the U.S. at the time, and a nation where slavery was still legal.

The Brazilian government, under the rule of Emperor Dom Pedro II, recruited the Confederates, taking out advertisements in U.S. newspapers and sending representatives to the American South to persuade proud Southerners to live out their dreams in Brazil.

Those who left the American South after the Civil War had the most to lose by staying. Among the Confederates who set sail for Brazilian shores were attorneys, architects, plantation owners, physicians and businessmen, all fine men from fine families, most of them landowners, educated at the best Southern institutes of higher learning. They owned slaves, and by God, they were good to those slaves — "Don't go makin’ out hour ancestahs to be mean, not fer one secon’," Jim warned. "Day treated dehm slaves as though day was fam’ly."

http://narrative.ly/extra-time-in-brazil/brazils-secret-history-southern-hospitality/ (http://narrative.ly/extra-time-in-brazil/brazils-secret-history-southern-hospitality/)

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Just like the Nazis, 1000s of Confederate traitors/America-haters fled to S. America

BRAZIL’S SECRET HISTORY OF SOUTHERN HOSPITALITY





The American South is Alive and Well in Brazil (http://narrative.us5.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=75fd15d26b96a36801073cfe1&id=eb0f9d5149&e=709a9ef53a)











https://ci6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/A2ruJmYsFnYUbdApogPnksIN2rkQuzNIX-Z2erjkfB7UTtnCIBz21lFqkUpoYbXyViKVOBhsEu7zphX8yXl6 aeXy_kl0-ktqZ6K8PCRD4Ay7h4sQuQaBXlekgQYyGztfxA-GGbcUjr4Zg9a3UW4PbwhPDtzkpbeveV1eaHw=s0-d-e1-ft#https://gallery.mailchimp.com/75fd15d26b96a36801073cfe1/images/8e98b6b2-50c5-463b-84f5-71f6e161c64c.jpg (http://narrative.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=75fd15d26b96a36801073cfe1&id=b53042b50b&e=709a9ef53a)




After the American Civil War, some 7,000 Confederates set sail for Brazil. Their Dixie-loving descendants represent one of the most curious cultures in the modern world










After the Civil War, Brazil had been as much a land of opportunity for American Southerners as the United States had been for Europeans.

Instead of stomaching life under Yankee rule, as many as 7,000 Confederates opted to set sail for Brazil, a country twice the size of the U.S. at the time, and a nation where slavery was still legal.

The Brazilian government, under the rule of Emperor Dom Pedro II, recruited the Confederates, taking out advertisements in U.S. newspapers and sending representatives to the American South to persuade proud Southerners to live out their dreams in Brazil.

Those who left the American South after the Civil War had the most to lose by staying. Among the Confederates who set sail for Brazilian shores were attorneys, architects, plantation owners, physicians and businessmen, all fine men from fine families, most of them landowners, educated at the best Southern institutes of higher learning. They owned slaves, and by God, they were good to those slaves — "Don't go makin’ out hour ancestahs to be mean, not fer one secon’," Jim warned. "Day treated dehm slaves as though day was fam’ly."

http://narrative.ly/extra-time-in-brazil/brazils-secret-history-southern-hospitality/ (http://narrative.ly/extra-time-in-brazil/brazils-secret-history-southern-hospitality/)

Just like Russians who fled after the Bolshevik take over

[Spurminator]

What do Liberals here think about burning and disrespecting the Mexican flag. After all their government also abused native people and allowed slavery.

This is a great question! As a liberal, I would oppose the Mexican flag being flown on U.S. Government buildings.

[Infinite_limit]

Guy got arrested for burning his neighbor gay flag. Too lazy to link

[Clipper Nation]

This is a great question! As a liberal, I would oppose the Mexican flag being flown on U.S. Government buildings.
Damn, why are you such a xenophobe?

[Oh, Gee!!]

Guy got arrested for burning his neighbor gay flag. Too lazy to link

my flag boy said to your flag boy "I'm gonna set your flag on fire."

[boutons_deux]

Nearly 40,000 demand South Carolina remove slave memorial because it ‘shames’ whites

The petition complains that the Confederate flag was removed because it offended black people through its historic association with slavery and white supremacy, and laughably asserts that the African-American Monument, designed by sculptor Ed Dwight, provokes the same outrage for whites.

“The African American Monument depicts slave ships, mistreatment and words such as ‘segregation’ and ‘Jim Crow,'” the petition states.

“This being the case, it is undeniable that this monument can and does serve to invoke in the white community feelings of shame, humiliation and offense, serving as a constant reminder of the dark history of slavery.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/nearly-40000-demand-south-carolina-remove-slave-memorial-because-it-shames-whites/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Holy fucking shit! :lol False equivalence :lol

South Carolina! :lol Confederate racists! :lol red states! :lol

[ChumpDumper]

lol might as well try to remove black people from SC.

Oh wait.

[Trill Clinton]

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kkk rally outside SC state capitol building over their heritage flaghttp://i57.tinypic.com/t5m2vb.jpg

[Jacob1983]

Will Obama offer condolences to the black guy that was a confederate battle flag supporter who was killed in a car wreck possibly by haters over the weekend after leaving a flag rally? Or no because it wouldn't be trendy?

[Trill Clinton]

why would obama offer condolences over some coon who couldn't drive?

[ChumpDumper]

Will Obama offer condolences to the black guy that was a confederate battle flag supporter who was killed in a car wreck possibly by haters over the weekend after leaving a flag rally? Or no because it wouldn't be trendy?Possibly by haters?

CROFL

[RandomGuy]

What do Liberals here think about burning and disrespecting the Mexican flag. After all their government also abused native people and allowed slavery.

Meh. People invest too much in worrying about all of it. If one really feels that way, knock youselves out.

Just like Turks get pissed at the Chinese...

https://thenanfang.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/turkey-protests-on-china-01-902x600.jpg

Everybody has some butthurt.

That said, let's just be honest about shit, IMO.

[RandomGuy]

Will Obama offer condolences to the black guy that was a confederate battle flag supporter who was killed in a car wreck possibly by haters over the weekend after leaving a flag rally? Or no because it wouldn't be trendy?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/21/outspoken-black-advocate-for-the-confederate-flag-killed-in-miss-car-crash/

Well, I'll be damned it isn't just some made up bullshit.

That said, it was fucked up.

THAT said:

Specifically how many deaths and of what kind are we going to require the president to address?

At some point, if all the guy does is talk about this death and that death, when are we going to change the job description from commander in chief to "condoler in chief".

Just sayin'.

[Jacob1983]

Killed for free speech and not being trendy. Just another day in Murica.

[Infinite_limit]

https://thenanfang.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/turkey-protests-on-china-01-902x600.jpg


Respect for not a single Nike shoe

[RandomGuy]

Killed for free speech and not being trendy. Just another day in Murica.

Trendy, actually = confederate flag.

I know a guy from Wyoming... which wasn't even a freaking state, and still barely is, going on about how much the confederate flag means to him.

GMAFB.

[Jacob1983]

That man shouldn't have been killed by butthurt brothers. Who came up with this idea and mentality that all black people have to think the way that guilty white liberals want them to think? I've never understood the collective group mentality that black people !just abide by. Whatever happened to free thought and expression? Individuality?

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Armed Confederate supporters interrupt black child's birthday party with racial slurs, death threats (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/27/1406207/-Armed-Confederate-supporters-interrupt-Black-child-s-birthday-party-w-racial-slurs-death-threats)

In an Atlanta suburb this past weekend, Melissa Alford (a black woman) and her family were hosting an outdoor birthday party in Douglasville, Georgia, when a convoy of seven large pickup trucks donning Confederate flags interrupted the party and pulled into the grass. The occupants then called them ******s and threatened them with violence (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/watch-heated-confrontation-over-confederate-flags-/nm7JH/), according to multiple eyewitnesses, who also stated that the men actually flashed guns at them:


One of at least two cellphone videos from the incident shows Douglasville police officers holding back a group of black men and women as at least seven pickup trucks drive off.

The trucks’ white passengers wave as the Confederate, American and military flags mounted on the vehicles flap in the air. .“This is a child’s birthday party,” one woman in the crowd can be heard saying.

A second video shows the trucks gathered on a grassy area, and the N-word can be heard. A woman who shared the video said the trucks were on her property and their passengers were armed and threatened to “kill y’all [N-words].”


Video can be viewed below.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/27/1406207/-Armed-Confederate-supporters-interrupt-Black-child-s-birthday-party-w-racial-slurs-death-threats?detail=email

The Repug base Flying The Flag(s)

[boutons_deux]

3 weeks after burning a Confederate flag in a grill, a Colorado mom arrested at midnight (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/27/1406168/-3-weeks-after-burning-a-Confederate-Flag-in-a-grill-police-arrest-a-Colorado-mom-at-midnight)

On this past Fourth of July, Patricia Cameron helped lead a rally with a Confederate flag-burning. This was a week before it officially came down at the South Carolina State House. Cameron and others lit the flag on fire in a grill at a public park. Almost three weeks later, at nearly midnight, when she and her 8-year-old son were both asleep, the police arrived at her home to arrest her.The particular park she used doesn't allow grills.

Yeah, really (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/26/colorado-cops-arrest-mom-for-confederate-flag-arson.html).

Why in the hell would police show up at almost midnight to confront and arrest a woman over a park violation? In an interview with Daily Kos, Cameron told us why:

"They said it was because that was the only time the officer could get there, but I know that officer well.

I have filmed him during multiple encounters between us. We are far from friends. I think it was intimidation, and I think that officer wanted to finally shut me up. And this was his way of showing dominance and power over me."

She said, "At almost midnight, alone with my son, thinking of all those names, Sandra Bland included...all I could think was I was going to become another hashtag."

Even the department admitted that the time it was served wasn't normal, but gave a canned reason why it happened that way:


Manitou Springs Police spokeswoman Odette Saglimbeni says an officer showing up late at night to issue an arrest summons isn't common for the department.

“It sort of happened to be that time of night when it happened,” :lol she told The Daily Beast about Cameron's late-night wake-up call.

Officers, she said, might have been preoccupied during the rest of the day with other duties.

“They were just not able to get out there until that time.” :lol


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/27/1406168/-3-weeks-after-burning-a-Confederate-Flag-in-a-grill-police-arrest-a-Colorado-mom-at-midnight??detail=email

South Carolina! :lol

[Trill Clinton]

i really wish these coward white supremacists would just leave us the fucc alonehttp://i62.tinypic.com/2mr9ow8.png

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[Trill Clinton]

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[Infinite_limit]

Looks like an enjoyable community

[Splits]

Looks like an enjoyable community

You and m>s (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=27774) would fit right in, these are your type of people... same beliefs, education, number of teeff...

WbgRwH7GxUU

[Trill Clinton]

You and m>s (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=27774) would fit right in, these are your type of people... same beliefs, education, number of teeff...

WbgRwH7GxUU

hilarious

[m>s]

You and m>s (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=27774) would fit right in, these are your type of people... same beliefs, education, number of teeff...

WbgRwH7GxUU
I am well educated and have all of my teeth you fucking SJW. Go volunteer at a shelter for women who have been raped by a pack of wild n!ggers you do-gooder fuck.

[boutons_deux]

Utah police say hate crime law could protect Confederate flag lovers

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/utah-police-say-hate-crime-law-could-protect-confederate-flag-lovers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Police aren't racist, nah!

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Mississippi Man Bombs Local Walmart Because It Stopped Selling Confederate FlagsA man from Tupelo, Mississippi, decided to show his displeasure with Walmart’s decision to no longer carry the Confederate flag by bombing a local store. Luckily and not altogether surprisingly, the homemade bomb wasn’t assembled properly to maximize damages to the shop. Though it reportedly caused a “loud bang” according to the AP (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marshall-leonard-confederate-flag-bombs-walmart-police/), no one was injured in the incident.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/mississippi-man-bombs-local-walmart-because-they-stopped-selling-confederate-flag

bombs are Federal felonies, let's see how hard the Feds come down on this bubba.

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http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/02/mississippi_governor_declares.html

Republican Missisppi Governor declars Aprli to be Confederate histroy month also intentionally ignored mentioning slavery.

What a clown.

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The confederate battle flag wasn't flown outside the SC state capital until 1961 in protest to desegregation. To claim it as a symbol of heritage and not racism is laughable tbqmfh.In memory of Secession day.

RIP CSA

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