Liberalism in Action: Who Needs Due Process?

[Clipper Nation]

According to Obummer's kangaroo surveillance court, opposing views aren't "necessary" when the conclusion is "obvious":

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/surveillance-court-judge-says-no-opposing-view-needed-in-simple-cases/2015/06/19/345647e6-16a4-11e5-89f3-61410da94eb1_story.html?tid=HP_world?tid=HP_world

[Spurminator]

You seem angry.

[ChumpDumper]

According to Obummer's kangaroo surveillance court, opposing views aren't "necessary" when the conclusion is "obvious":

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/surveillance-court-judge-says-no-opposing-view-needed-in-simple-cases/2015/06/19/345647e6-16a4-11e5-89f3-61410da94eb1_story.html?tid=HP_world?tid=HP_worldB ush and Roberts appointee tbh.

[boutons_deux]

"The chief justice selects the 11 district judges who serve on this court; his discretion is subject only to a few limits:

the judges must come from at least seven appeals-court circuits,

one must be a district judge of the District of Columbia,

and no fewer than three must live within 20 miles of D.C."

Since 2007 or so, though, the FISA Court has bulked up like A-Rod. The New York Timesrevealed that it has developed a complex case law (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/us/in-secret-court-vastly-broadens-powers-of-nsa.html?ref=opinion) interpreting the Surveillance Act, the Fourth Amendment, and its own jurisdiction. That case law—like the orders the Court issues, like the briefs the government files, and like the legal opinions from which those briefs flow—are, of course, secret.

An entire shadow Constitution may be growing up, parsed by a court appointed by John Roberts.

That secret growth seems more alarming because of reports that the chief justice's picks for the secret court have been skewed toward the Republican side of the bench (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/26/us/politics/robertss-picks-reshaping-secret-surveillance-court.html?ref=charliesavage).

The chief appoints the members of many specialized judicial panels. But the FISA Court has morphed into a very powerful institution.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/chief-justice-john-roberts-appointed-every-judge-on-the-fisa-court-20130812

[Clipper Nation]

Sorry, but this is the left's baby. They wrote the core of the Patriot Act in 1995, they voted for it in 2001, Obummer signed off on extending it, and then he signed off on the Freedom Act when the Patriot Act's sunset provisions expired. We're well past the point of blaming it all on Dubya.

[ElNono]

Not a fan of the entirety of the USA Freedom Act, but I have to acknowledge it's a step in the right direction. For example, you can read the FISC decision on the matter here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/06/19/National-Security/Graphics/FISC%20Amicus%20Decision%20%282015%29.pdf

After reading that, I don't particularly disagree with the reasoning of the court.

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, but this is the left's baby. They wrote the core of the Patriot Act in 1995, they voted for it in 2001, Obummer signed off on extending it, and then he signed off on the Freedom Act when the Patriot Act's sunset provisions expired. We're well past the point of blaming it all on Dubya.OP is about a judges decision.

PATRIOT act was bipartisan.

But since you claim intimate knowledge of its composition, what makes up the "core" of the act and which Democrats wrote which sections?

[ElNono]

Sorry, but this is the left's baby. They wrote the core of the Patriot Act in 1995, they voted for it in 2001, Obummer signed off on extending it, and then he signed off on the Freedom Act when the Patriot Act's sunset provisions expired. We're well past the point of blaming it all on Dubya.

From broad concern felt among Americans from both the September 11 attacks and the 2001 anthrax attacks, Congress rushed to pass legislation to strengthen security controls. On October 23, 2001, Republican Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner introduced H.R. 3162 incorporating provisions from a previously sponsored House bill and a Senate bill also introduced earlier in the month. The next day on October 24, 2001, the Act passed the House 357 to 66, with Democrats comprising the overwhelming portion of dissent. The following day, on October 25, 2001, the Act passed the Senate by 98 to 1.

I agree with libertarians on this specific area, and would like to see the entire act repealed. But libertarians lost on this, and they lost to both the righties and lefties.

[boutons_deux]

Sorry, but this is the left's baby. They wrote the core of the Patriot Act in 1995, they voted for it in 2001, Obummer signed off on extending it, and then he signed off on the Freedom Act when the Patriot Act's sunset provisions expired. We're well past the point of blaming it all on Dubya.

get back to us when the Repug Congress passes a bill repealing Freedom/Patriot act stuff and sends it to Obama for signing.

[Th'Pusher]

Are these calculated shitbombs being hoisted upon the op or just regular shitbombs?

[Blizzardwizard]

You seem angry.

Liberalism is winning in America. Libertarian 'laissez-faire' individualism is taking a back seat, which are according to CN 'the values on which this damn country was founded upon :cry!' Of course he's angry :lol