Story that the NAACP will not want you to read

[hussker]

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050909-113107-3180r.htm


Interesting read...

[Clandestino]

been saying this forever:

.. The truth is, black people died not because of President Bush or racism, they died because of their unhealthy dependence on the government and the incompetence of Mayor Ray Nagin and Governor Kathleen Blanco," he said.

"If black folks want to blame someone for this tragedy, they only need to look in the mirror. Hopefully, this will help black people realize the folly of depending on the government or leaders and serve as a notice to avert future tragedies in other cities," he said.

[ChumpDumper]

It's obviously their fault for being black and poor.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Black political analyst Earl Ofari Hutchinson, author of "The Disappearance of Black Leadership," said the problem lies with the current focus of black leadership, in both the elected and activist crowd, away from the poor and toward the new majority of middle-class black Americans.




thats an interesting tidbit, i never thought about that.

[Clandestino]

It's obviously their fault for being black and poor.

nothing wrong with being black or poor. however, you can change if you are poor or not.

[Oscar DeLa]

I don't know what it is but I noticed Clandestino won vbookie

[Clandestino]

yeah, CBF, gave the tip.. bet it all on TEXAS!

[ChumpDumper]

however, you can change if you are poor or not.You're right -- it's so easy -- there shouldn't be one poor person in the entire country.

[Clandestino]

all it takes is hard work.

[Oscar DeLa]

I don't know what it is but I think as long as people are rich, people will be poor

[ChumpDumper]

all it takes is hard work.So every poor person is just lazy.

Understood.

[Clandestino]

not every one.

[jochhejaam]

I grew up in a predominately black neighborhood, went to a High School that was 97% black and have worked for a Public Housing Authority (Building Maintenance) with over 3,000 units for almost 23 years where 95% of the tenants are black.

As a previous poster noted there are many factors that attribute to living in poverty. One of most prominent from my experience is the breakdown in the traditional family structure, aka known as the lack of morality. Almost all of the occupants in the Family Housing units are young single females most with children. They are raised in an environment where there is no solid family structure and they leave that environment when they are old enough to qualify for their own government assistance. They are uneducated (as are the majority of there male friends (a lot of very nice people).
Young, single, uneducated and with children, not a good mix for escaping the poverty lifestyle. With many it's way of life, it's generational in nature.

I'll resist the tempation to politisize this but their are politicians who insist on throwing large amounts of taxpayer money at the problem which amounts to just enough money for those on welfare to continue to live comfortably (sarcasm) in poverty. These people are dependent on the Government and they show their appreciation by voting for the party that subsidizes their poverty. (BTW and for what it's worth, HUD just cut our budget by 1.2 million (11%) which resulted in 25 layoffs).

Many prominent black leaders (exceptions, Cosby, Sowell) do nothing to help the situation. Like Jackson spouting "we don't want welfare, we want our share" and looking for a $40,000 payoff for reparations, which would accomplish exactly what? Catch phrases and lump sum payouts aren't fixes, they're ignorantly and purposefully thrown at the poor to appease them so their leaders, whether they be black activists or politicians, can continue to have their blind allegiance to promote their own selfish agendas. They don't care about their people or their so called constituents, all they care about is themselves.

In essence they're being taught that you can get something, which isn't much, for doing nothing (and yes, their is a legitimate need for government assistance in many cases, but not the majority of them) Like E. John said, "its a sad, sad situation..."

(have to go to work now, will continue my ranting later)

[Clandestino]

judging from my work with homeless persons

usually a person becomes homeless due to:

1. a tragic event(s) (ex. fire, natural disaster, etc.)
2. a tragic flaw (ex. anger, alcoholism, drugs, etc.)
3. lack of family and friends to fall back on

it's a combination of things..usually people are okay until all three hit at once

1 is unavoidable.

2. their fault

3. you don't need family and friends to succeed in life. that is an excuse.

[2centsworth]

judging from my work with homeless persons

usually a person becomes homeless due to:

1. a tragic event(s) (ex. fire, natural disaster, etc.)
2. a tragic flaw (ex. anger, alcoholism, drugs, etc.)
3. lack of family and friends to fall back on

it's a combination of things..usually people are okay until all three hit at onceevery credible study outside of your own experience shows that 79% are alcoholics and or addicted to drugs. 20% are crazy and 1% are experiencing tough luck.

[Marcus Bryant]

The majority of the dead dies because they were poor.

Race had nothing to do with it and frankly, is a distraction which can only serve as a hindrance to the recovery efforts.

[mookie2001]

leading
a prison kitchen staff

[Clandestino]

EXCUSES!!!! why do you think so many immigrants come to the u.s.? because they know they have a chance at a decent life if they put forth the effort. i've seen plenty of people come to the u.s. with only the clothes on their backs and now have their own homes, live comfortably, have a family, etc..

[mookie2001]

its not Bush's fault he was born rich and white!
in new haven conn

[Clandestino]

they choose not to try to end their poverty bc they can get gov handouts. i see it. i have family who does the same shit. always blaming someone else for their problems.

[Clandestino]

that is what many people choose to do.

[Clandestino]

some people are lazier. get enough money to live for sitting on your ass or actually have to go out and work.

[mookie2001]

some people clandestino
i wouldnt say many
if youre a poor single mother with 4 kids and no education or job skills(yes yes shes stupid), i would probably take handouts too because i could work 50 hrs a week minwage with the childcare for 4 kids, she would be losing money
its a tough spot to be in
thats why we need affordable childcare in this country Mr. President

[Clandestino]

some people clandestino
i wouldnt say many
if youre a poor single mother with 4 kids and no education or job skills(yes yes shes stupid), i would probably take handouts too because i could work 50 hrs a week minwage with the childcare for 4 kids, she would be losing money
its a tough spot to be in
thats why we need affordable childcare in this country Mr. President

so, our tax money should go to her bc she coudn't keep her legs closed? i dont think so.

[mookie2001]

thats why if they parent doesnt consent, they should force them to have the baby

[Clandestino]

if you want to help them, force them to put them up for adoption. or let them live in poverty. don't subsidize their lifestyle

[Clandestino]

it is not poverty when they have shelter over their head, food on the table and access to medical care.

their kids should be taken away from them. people are constantly looking to adopt babies. so much so they go to russia, china, etc.

[mookie2001]

clandestino thats insane

[The Ressurrected One]

people on welfare ARE living in poverty

without these benefits a lot of these people (and their INNOCENT kids) would be starving to death
Please. There are people NOT on welfare that are living in poverty. Name the last person -- aside from Terry Schiavo -- that starved to death in this country...either on or off welfare.

[Clandestino]

that is called child abuse and his parents did it to him. not the government. they had food, just CHOSE not to give it to him.

[The Ressurrected One]

and naturally there are people, too many frankly, that are NOT on welfare who are living in poverty.

so what??

most people on welfare would be in a lot worse shape if there was no welfare
While I disagree with the last sentence in your post, the point is, no one would starve.

The current Welfare system is all about removing the stigma of being poor. Because private and non-profits require a means test before providing aid, the all-might federal government just gives it away so no one will feel bad about having their plasma t.v. and pimped out ride when using theirTexas Star card (or whatever that welfare credit card is called).

[The Ressurrected One]

he asked for a person who starved to death

'bums' in big cities who starve to death or die of exposure don't make the paper
They also don't avail themselves of available shelters and soup lines because, frankly, they don't want to take anything from certain groups like The Salvation Army.

And, where is your Welfare System for them anyway? Why are they starving? Have not not dumped Trillions into the War on Poverty?

[The Ressurrected One]

You seem to be arguing with yourself now so, I'll stay out of the way.

[2centsworth]

The only thing race has to do with it is because the social system (at the city, state, and federal level) is constructed in such a way that it is more probable that a 'minority' (in this case, a black person) will be born poor and remain poor.
Has nothing to do with the system. Has everything to do with the CYCLE of Poverty.

Being Born Poor doesn't mean you have to stay poor. Close friend of mine came to this country from taiwan and didn't speak or write a lick of English and had only $1000 to his name.

He worked in a restaurant washing dishes 80per week and saved enough money to buy his own retaurant. Now He owns several restaurants and is loaded.

[2centsworth]

oh so the people experiencing tough luck aren't crazy or on drugs/alcohol?
No.


and the people who are crazy aren't experiencing tough luck or on drugs/alcohol?
Maybe tough luck they are Crazy, but the tough luck I'm referring to is loss of Job etc..

They could probably be on drugs and alcohol, but again it's the insanity that is the primary reason they are homeless.


and the people who are on drugs/alcohol aren't crazy or experiencing tough luck?
Again reference my definition of tough luck.



Not saying that we as a community shouldn't do anything to help, but white guilt doesn't help.

Instead of all the free housing that turn into war zones, we should focus on rehabilitation programs. Spend a ton of money on Alcohol and Drug education and rehabilitation.

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