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AZLouis
09-11-2005, 10:52 AM
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/storypage.php?Story_ID=603&Category=suns


Guarded Optimism


By George O'Brien
September 7, 2005, 12:46pm
ASFN Writer
(article read 203 times)


A key to the success of the Suns will be how well they replace Joe Johnson. The short term solution is likely to come from the familiar face of Jim Jackson. However, the long range solution could come from the very unfamiliar face of Boris Diaw.

The addition of Jim Jackson in mid season was a huge plus as he played a big role in the team's 62 win record. However, it was his playoff performance where he really proved his worth. In 15 playoff games Jackson averaged 11 ppg on 48.8% shooting including 51.6% for three. In the finals against the Spurs, Jackson scored 9.4 ppg on 52.9% shooting and 57.9% for three.

Jackson's strong three point shooting was hardly new: 01-02 46.9%, 02-03 45.1%, 03-04 40%, and 04-05 41.4% (45.9% with the Suns). During the regular season Jackson was second only Johnson in three point percentage and scored more three pointers per minute played than Johnson. Jackson did not shoot as much as Johnson did, but he was quite effective and improved as the season went on.

In the short run, Jackson's main rivals for the starting shooting guard position are Raja Bell and James Jones. Both are known for the defense, but have different backgrounds.

Bell is 28 year old player who has managed to work his way up from the minor leagues to defensive specialist to sixth man to starter over the past five seasons. Last year he averaged 12.3 ppg on 45.3% shooting and 40.3% for three.

James Jones was a second season unknown backup on the Pacers until the suspensions of three starters gave him a chance to play. Drafted in the second round as a power forward, he showed real promise at small forward and shooting guard where he would lead the Pacers in three point shooting at 39.8%.

The dilemma for the Suns is that while Jackson is probably the best of the three, he will soon be 35 years and has lost a step when it comes to quickness. Bell and Jones look to be solid backup players and good defenders, but neither have shown anything to suggest they have the potential to become stars.

[It is in this context that the recent performances of French born Boris Diaw are so intriguing. To most observers, Diaw was the "throw-in" in the Joe Johnson trade with the Hawks (although technically he was acquired using the Voskuhl trade exemption). If anything, the Hawks were surprised the Suns wanted him rather than push for Childress or Smith. Phoenix reporters were told that the Suns thought Diaw might be helpful at point guard.

The surprise by the Hawks management was not surprising. Diaw's NBA career has not been impressive. Last season he averaged only 42.2% shooting and 4.8 ppg in 18.2 minutes on the worst team in the NBA.

Why did the Suns want Diaw? The first is that Diaw is a great athlete, solid defender, and showed he could play point guard last season. But what may have been more interesting is that the biggest complaint against Diaw was his lack of confidence. This is a familiar story since it was the same reputation that plagued Joe Johnson before last season.

Reports are that Diaw played well in the summer league and perhaps that is what caught the Suns attention. Also, the Suns scouted Diaw extensively for the 2003 draft and he had some very good reviews. None the less, the choice still seemed like an odd one until the European qualifying preliminaries began a couple of weeks ago.

Diaw in the first game against Spain he had 7 rebounds. But he really started attracting attention against Turkey where he scored 25 points on 11 of 14 shooting while holding Okur (of the Jazz) to 12 points.

Diaw scored 17 points against Russia including two highlight dunks over Andrei Kirilenko. According to a news report, "The best player on the Franch team was once again Boris Diaw with 17 point, 9 rebounds and by holding Andrei Kirilenko at only 13 points. Diaw is really the leader of his team, and shows for the moment better basketball than Tony Parker."

The last of the "friendly" games was against Serbia where he went 5 of 10 and grabbed 7 rebounds. All the news reports from France have been raving about Diaw's play including his aggressiveness at attacking the basket.

This is just exhibition games, but they suggest that Diaw may be gaining confidence. Like most international players, he has had to adjust to the American game as well as the language. But it looks as if he may be ready to live up to the scouting report nbadraft.net had for him when he was being drafted:

"Athletically there isn't much Diaw doesn't posses with superior leaping ability, length, and quickness ... An underrated post passer who might be the best at his position ... Has the defensive skills that NBA team's love such as foot speed, long arms and quick hands ... Shows the ability to be a solid offensive rebounder on put backs ... Excels in the open court where his athleticism allows him to finish with flair ... Unselfish although almost to a fault he looks constantly for open teammates ... Possesses amazing body control and combined with his basket skills to make some impressive drives to the basket ... Even when the defense adjusts, his creativity allows for impressive finishes in traffic ... When aggressive, he can be a explosive scorer around the rim on dunks ... Diaw's long arms and quick hands enable him to be a threat to steal the ball and disrupt passing lanes ... Plays the game with poise and maturity no matter what the situation ... Does a good job of using the baseline to gain the advantage over the defense on quick lay-ups ... Fundamentally he is very sound and able to do a multitude of tasks well ... Makes solid court decisions when the ball is on his hands ... Team player who does all the little things that don't show up on the stat sheet ... Has excellent court vision rarely seen at his position ... "

Diaw's weaknesses include outside shooting and confidence. The shooting remains suspect, but his European trip may help on the confidence side.

This season Jackson is still the most likely starter, but Diaw may become the starter of the future.
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ChumpDumper
09-11-2005, 03:17 PM
That settles it -- Diaw > Johnson.

Awaiting conformation from hoopsworld....

AZLouis
09-11-2005, 04:54 PM
Dumpin' on the article eh?

It actually boasts of Diaw's potential and that he is in a similar place that JJ was when the Suns acquired JJ a few years ago. Of course you know that, sarcasm must've been the only response that you could provide.

The JJ loss hurts, but overall the Suns improved their 3 point shooting and saved $70 million, including $20 million this season.

ChumpDumper
09-11-2005, 05:00 PM
It actually boasts of Diaw's potential and that he is in a similar place that JJ was when the Suns acquired JJ a few years ago.So he's going to be just as good or better.

Congratulations, you must be so proud.

Really, what are they going to say -- Diaw was the most passive offensive player in the league? I mean, it would be true, but would it be what you would want to hear or post on some other team's message board?

AZLouis
09-11-2005, 05:13 PM
I don't know if he's going to be good or better. It simply states he has potential and talent. Not to mention being the best player in France with Tony Parker at #2.

Granted Tony Parker so far has done much more and played a lot better here. If the guy is as good as written about, hopefully he makes the transition soon.

Maybe playing with one of the league's best teams right now will help him. After all Atl isn't really a great place to be if the Hawks are who you play for.

Quite frankly, when I read information on the Suns or any team I prefer to read the truth. Why would I want to read anything but.

I must be proud? Why I have no involvement in who the Suns sign or don't. I'm merely a fan.

ChumpDumper
09-11-2005, 05:23 PM
With all these glowing reviews, keep in mind the actual tournament hasn't even started yet.

Look, I like Diaw, but comparing him to Johnson in any way is foolish.

Bruno
09-11-2005, 05:34 PM
I don't know if he's going to be good or better. It simply states he has potential and talent. Not to mention being the best player in France with Tony Parker at #2.

Granted Tony Parker so far has done much more and played a lot better here. If the guy is as good as written about, hopefully he makes the transition soon.

Maybe playing with one of the league's best teams right now will help him. After all Atl isn't really a great place to be if the Hawks are who you play for.

Quite frankly, when I read information on the Suns or any team I prefer to read the truth. Why would I want to read anything but.

I must be proud? Why I have no involvement in who the Suns sign or don't. I'm merely a fan.

He is not the best player for France, tony is better and Gelabale plays as well as Boris. He was better than tony two weeks ago because tony didn't play at 100% (injury).

Diaw has a lot of upside. He played well with France last summer too and sucked with Atlanta last year.

I don't see how boris could shine with Phoenix playing backup PG.(Barbosa and House suck at PG and are undersized SG)
Boris plays SF and even PF with France.

JMarkJohns
09-11-2005, 06:20 PM
Barbosa and House suck at playing the traditional PG role, but D'Antoni is going for a Euro-style of ball, having ball-handlers and slashers along the wing who can create offense or spread the floor with shooting.

Both fill that type of guard position.

Diaw will fill in from 2-4 defensively and 1-4 offensively depending on the matchup.

As for Johnson, as an idiot who still tapes every televised game, I know that Johnson was both very passive and a very poor finisher for the first two years in Phoenix. These two things led to his inconsistancy with Phoenix as a backup. Once he was surrounded by talent and got a main role, he thrived. Not sure exactly what clicked, but just one day he was willing to drive the lane, pull up off the dribble and could finish.

Diaw can already finish, he just needs to know when and where to be aggressive. Phoenix is a good team for this since he won't be asked to be aggressive all the time (totally against his nature) and will mostly just be asked to fill the lanes on the break, handle the ball, make good passes and defend (in his nature).

He won't be as good as Johnson last year, but around 8/9 ppg, 3/4 rpg and 2/3 apg isn't unreasonable with adequate minutes. I don't think he'll get more than 20 minutes per, so his averages might be a bit lower, but he'll have a solid impact, which is what this article claimed.

Jones, IMO, is closer to Johnson. In just about every facet from inconsistancy in playing time, to skill, to contribution. If he gets big minutes, I think he has a breakout year of around 12 ppg, 4/5 rpg, 2 steals... It's not JJ, yet, but he's got that potential as a shooter and has shown the ability to create off the dribble. he just needs to learn how to finish at the hoop.

Bruno
09-11-2005, 06:46 PM
Barbosa and House suck at playing the traditional PG role, but D'Antoni is going for a Euro-style of ball, having ball-handlers and slashers along the wing who can create offense or spread the floor with shooting.

Both fill that type of guard position.

Diaw will fill in from 2-4 defensively and 1-4 offensively depending on the matchup.


Diaw can't run the point on offense : too much turnover. A good passer is not enough to play the point. He will be quite bad at SG because his jumpshot sucks. He must mainly play 3 offensively and can play 2-4.

he truth is that Phoenix is one of the best team but they lack a backup PG (if you want to be good for the playoff Steve Nash shouldn't play more than 34 mpg) and a good defensive center (I'm not sold on Brian Grant health).

AZLouis
09-11-2005, 07:04 PM
They were good for the playoffs last season and Nash logged 34.3 mpg with no 'true' backup PG. JJ and LB held that down and did quite well.

The Suns only downfalls in the WCF was Marion's lack of performance, Q's lack of performance, and the fact that the Spurs were much better.

Bruno, I'm repeating the article I posted above which states Diaw is the best player in France...

"The best player on the Franch team was once again Boris Diaw with 17 point, 9 rebounds and by holding Andrei Kirilenko at only 13 points. Diaw is really the leader of his team, and shows for the moment better basketball than Tony Parker."

If anybody expects Diaw to come out and play just like JJ, they are smoking something. It took JJ 3 1/2 years in the Phoenix system to come into his own.

Bruno
09-11-2005, 07:18 PM
Bruno, I'm repeating the article I posted above which states Diaw is the best player in France...


Since this game France has played 3 games where TP was really good.
Against Russia Diaw play PF.
There is a little difference between playing PF in Europe and playing PG in nba.
I'm a big fan of Boris but he can't show his upside playing PG. Boris is a 6-9 guy with a bad jumpshot, he should play SF.

Nash plays 42 mpg against Spurs and 40.7 during the playoffs.

AZLouis
09-11-2005, 07:27 PM
During the playoffs the starters time goes up. There's no room for error.

Nash's time I posted is from the regular season.

sprrs
09-11-2005, 09:30 PM
Dumpin' on the article eh?

It actually boasts of Diaw's potential and that he is in a similar place that JJ was when the Suns acquired JJ a few years ago. Of course you know that, sarcasm must've been the only response that you could provide.

The JJ loss hurts, but overall the Suns improved their 3 point shooting and saved $70 million, including $20 million this season.

Problem is, that if and when Diaw reaches Johnson's level, Nash will either be reitred or on a steep decline

JMarkJohns
09-11-2005, 10:55 PM
That's a pretty ignorant statement... Johnson didn't show much until mid-way through his third season. he was a complete question mark going into games. You never knew what he was going to give.

In his third season, he just got it.

Diaw is entering his third season... So, your point just doesn't make sense.

I don't think Diaw will ever be as good as Johnson, but I think he can have a significant impact this season and be a 25 minute type player next.

EDIT: Their per-48 minute stats are similer over the first two seasons...

Johnson: around 10+ ppg, 4+ apg, 5+ rpg...
Diaw: around 10+ ppg, 5+ apg, 7+ rpg...

I still don't think Diaw matches Johnson recent stats, but just showing that Johnson became a 15/18 ppg type player overnight, seemingly, so Diaw going from a bench role to significant role isn't that much to expect.

AZLouis
09-12-2005, 06:55 AM
Sprrs, don't forget the Suns also picked up 2 1st rounder from the Hawks. Which they could likely use to draft a future PG.

The Suns actually made out pretty well in the JJ trade/fiasco.

Diaw, I am sure isn't going to be groomed as Nash's replacement.