less concerened with illegal sex offenders than pot dealers - Thanks Obama

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The government has tried to deport most of these people, but a Supreme Court ruling requires they be released after six months in jail if their home country won't take them back.

what kind of logic is this? so you're a sex offender and your home country won't take you back. so, 6 months and you're free in the U.S.? with no monitoring?


One of these zip codes was a block from the U.S. Capitol. A key thing to note is in the release documents, ICE officials said they can't and don't track where these offenders are now.

I'm hoping that someone tells me this isn't the full story and just Fox biased reporting.

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/29398127/illegal-immigrant-sex-offenders-living-in-memphis-neighborhoods

[m>s]

Ups and they keep repeat offending. Best to just own a gun and if anyone is beating, raping, robbingm, etc you or anyone you are close to just send em to hell on the spot. Much cheaper for us all tbh.

[cantthinkofanything]

Ups and they keep repeat offending. Best to just own a gun and if anyone is beating, raping, robbingm, etc you or anyone you are close to just send em to hell on the spot. Much cheaper for us all tbh.

it's fucked up. if you shot an illegal that was raping someone, my guess is that you'd be labeled a racist and convicted of a hate crime.

[boutons_deux]

"Supreme Court ruling requires they be released after six months in jail if their home country won't take them back."

And Obama had fuck all to do with this ruling.

Immigration, another fucked up mess the Repugs refuse to address.

Locking up immigrants is a hugely profitable business, taxpayers paying, for the PIC that gives heavily to Congress and state legislatures.

[cantthinkofanything]

"Supreme Court ruling requires they be released after six months in jail if their home country won't take them back."

And Obama had fuck all to do with this ruling.

Immigration, another fucked up mess the Repugs refuse to address.

Locking up immigrants is a hugely profitable business, taxpayers paying, for the PIC that gives heavily to Congress and state legislatures.



Obama opening the doors to these perverts. And allowing them to stay longer than they are supposed to.

[boutons_deux]

Obama opening the doors to these perverts.

in the last couple years, there's been a NEGATIVE net migration

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/

[DMX7]

Is a giant fence really going to keep them out anyway?

[cantthinkofanything]

in the last couple years, there's been a NEGATIVE net migration

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/

hey dumbass, that data is from 2010. and it only deals with immigrants born in Mexico.

[m>s]

Boutons stop lying for once in your life, it's not the republicans fault that the left says either total amnesty or else nothing gets done at all. We don't need"immigration reform" in the first place laws need to be upheld and enforced.

[ElNono]

what kind of logic is this? so you're a sex offender and your home country won't take you back. so, 6 months and you're free in the U.S.? with no monitoring?

I'm hoping that someone tells me this isn't the full story and just Fox biased reporting.

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/29398127/illegal-immigrant-sex-offenders-living-in-memphis-neighborhoods

AFAIK, this is how it works:
1) <Illegal Immigrant> commits sexual crime
2) <Illegal Immigrant> is found guilty and convicted, declared sex-offender
3) <Illegal Immigrant> goes to jail
4) <Illegal Immigrant> is deported (if possible), when his sentence is over. If he's deported, stop here. Otherwise, continue
5) <Illegal Immigrant> has to self-report anytime his primary residence changes

If you're a US Citizen, replace <Illegal Immigrant> with <US Citizen>, and skip step 4.

In other words, deportation is just a process that comes after any sentence as been completed, and if it fails, then the person is released under the same rules and conditions that would apply any US Citizen sex offender.

[cantthinkofanything]

AFAIK, this is how it works:
1) <Illegal Immigrant> commits sexual crime
2) <Illegal Immigrant> is found guilty and convicted, declared sex-offender
3) <Illegal Immigrant> goes to jail
4) <Illegal Immigrant> is deported (if possible), when his sentence is over. If he's deported, stop here. Otherwise, continue
5) <Illegal Immigrant> has to self-report anytime his primary residence changes

If you're a US Citizen, replace <Illegal Immigrant> with <US Citizen>, and skip step 4.

In other words, deportation is just a process that comes after any sentence as been completed, and if it fails, then the person is released under the same rules and conditions that would apply any US Citizen sex offender.

Except that the illegal is more unlikely to register and report as a sex offender and at that point becomes much harder (if not impossible) to track as opposed to a U.S. Citizen.
And if they are convicted in their home country and not in the U.S., they 1) often can't get deported and 2) are eventually released in the U.S.

[ElNono]

Except that the illegal is more unlikely to register and report as a sex offender and at that point becomes much harder (if not impossible) to track as opposed to a U.S. Citizen.
And if they are convicted in their home country and not in the U.S., they 1) often can't get deported and 2) are eventually released in the U.S.

The law still applies the same, AFAIK. Failure to self-report is a crime and is punished as such.

If an alien was convicted in their home country, then all the US government can do is deny him a visa, which they do. But if the person decides to cross the river, then there's not much to do until they get caught.

I'm not sure how you want the system to work?

[boutons_deux]

hey dumbass, that data is from 2010. and it only deals with immigrants born in Mexico.

it's not clear that is ONLY MX, but illegal immigrants crossing the southern border.

here's more recent, all nationalities, southern border:

DHS SECRETARY: UNAUTHORIZED MIGRATION ACROSS SOUTHERN BORDER ON TRACK TO BE LOWEST SINCE 1972by Gabe Ortiz on 06/12/2015 at 12:50pm

Unauthorized migration across the US/Mexico border is on track to be the lowest since 1972, said DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson earlier this week.

“The bottom line of all this is, in recent years the total number of those who attempt to illegally cross our southwest border has declined dramatically, while the percentage of those who are apprehended has gone up,” Secretary Johnson said in a speech at Rice University.
“Put simply, it’s now much harder to cross our border illegally and evade capture than it used to be — and people know that.”

http://americasvoice.org/blog/dhs-secretary-unauthorized-migration-across-southern-border-on-track-to-be-lowest-since-1972/

so anti-immigration controls ARE working, combined with the various reasons in various Meso-American countries for immigrating, or not

[cantthinkofanything]

The law still applies the same, AFAIK. Failure to self-report is a crime and is punished as such.

If an alien was convicted in their home country, then all the US government can do is deny him a visa, which they do. But if the person decides to cross the river, then there's not much to do until they get caught.

I'm not sure how you want the system to work?

I want a system that 1) makers it harder to enter without going through a screening process and 2) identifies and keeps the criminal elements out.

[cantthinkofanything]

it's not clear that is ONLY MX, but illegal immigrants crossing the southern border.





the chart that matches the reported data says, "Mexican Born Population in the U.S.". how is that not clear?

[cantthinkofanything]

it's not clear that is ONLY MX, but illegal immigrants crossing the southern border.

here's more recent, all nationalities, southern border:

DHS SECRETARY: UNAUTHORIZED MIGRATION ACROSS SOUTHERN BORDER ON TRACK TO BE LOWEST SINCE 1972

by Gabe Ortiz on 06/12/2015 at 12:50pm

Unauthorized migration across the US/Mexico border is on track to be the lowest since 1972, said DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson earlier this week.

“The bottom line of all this is, in recent years the total number of those who attempt to illegally cross our southwest border has declined dramatically, while the percentage of those who are apprehended has gone up,” Secretary Johnson said in a speech at Rice University.
“Put simply, it’s now much harder to cross our border illegally and evade capture than it used to be — and people know that.”

http://americasvoice.org/blog/dhs-secretary-unauthorized-migration-across-southern-border-on-track-to-be-lowest-since-1972/

so anti-immigration controls ARE working, combined with the various reasons in various Meso-American countries for immigrating, or not








and as to your article which you pulled from a pro immigration site...I don't see any statistics to back up the claim that less people are crossing the border.

[boutons_deux]

and as to your article which you pulled from a pro immigration site...I don't see any statistics to back up the claim that less people are crossing the border.


DHS SECRETARY: UNAUTHORIZED MIGRATION ACROSS SOUTHERN BORDER ON TRACK TO BE LOWEST SINCE 1972

lowest in 40+ years

your xenophobia, nativism, racism bias is evident.

DHS is pro-immigration? (actually, it could be since fighting immigration, like fighting drugs, is a reliable, safe job)

[boutons_deux]

DHS SECRETARY: UNAUTHORIZED MIGRATION ACROSS SOUTHERN BORDER ON TRACK TO BE LOWEST SINCE 1972

lowest in 40+ years

your xenophobia, nativism, racism bias is evident.

DHS is pro-immigration? (actually, it could be since fighting immigration, like fighting drugs, is a reliable, safe job)




and there's a screw up in visas, that's blocking LEGAL immigrants from coming, and crops are in danger of being lost, no pickers.

http://www.npr.org/2015/06/23/416901874/state-department-computer-glitch-creates-a-visa-nightmare

[cantthinkofanything]

DHS SECRETARY: UNAUTHORIZED MIGRATION ACROSS SOUTHERN BORDER ON TRACK TO BE LOWEST SINCE 1972

lowest in 40+ years

your xenophobia, nativism, racism bias is evident.

DHS is pro-immigration? (actually, it could be since fighting immigration, like fighting drugs, is a reliable, safe job)





where's the backup for that statement?

[admiralsnackbar]

I want a system that 1) makers it harder to enter without going through a screening process and 2) identifies and keeps the criminal elements out. The official process for applying for a visa (or harder, citizenship) to the US is a bitch and does take into account an applicant's criminal history insofar as it can be adapted to US penal code. What you're really saying is you're uncomfortable with the fact that so many immigrants can skirt US immigration policy illegally and get in on the sly, unvetted. So the question becomes: how much money are you willing to spend -- and how many freedoms are you willing to sacrifice -- to make the country "impermeable?" I know this sounds unethical and heartless, but I'll take the stray sex offender/criminal running amok to the prospect of paying trillions for the privilege of living in a totalitarian "papers please" country where only subjectively nice people are allowed to live. Not advocating for this, but it would be cheaper to naturalize any and all immigrants than it would be to seal the borders and process/track everyone inside.

[cantthinkofanything]

The official process for applying for a visa (or harder, citizenship) to the US is a bitch and does take into account an applicant's criminal history insofar as it can be adapted to US penal code. What you're really saying is you're uncomfortable with the fact that so many immigrants can skirt US immigration policy illegally and get in on the sly, unvetted. So the question becomes: how much money are you willing to spend -- and how many freedoms are you willing to sacrifice -- to make the country "impermeable?" I know this sounds unethical and heartless, but I'll take the stray sex offender/criminal running amok to the prospect of paying trillions for the privilege of living in a totalitarian "papers please" country where only subjectively nice people are allowed to live. Not advocating for this, but it would be cheaper to naturalize any and all immigrants than it would be to seal the borders and process/track everyone inside.

I don't agree that it would take trillions and a totalitarian state to improve the system. We don't need impermeable. But we need something better than we have.

[admiralsnackbar]

I don't agree that it would take trillions and a totalitarian state to improve the system. We don't need impermeable. But we need something better than we have. Sorry... I went extreme for rhetorical purposes :lol But the question remains: how much money do you want to spend, and how many freedoms do you want to sacrifice? What specific actions could we take as a country to settle your concerns?

[boutons_deux]

where's the backup for that statement?

check the DHS site.

I've been hearing for months how net immigration is negative, not positive.

As our beloved WC says "Do You Own Research"

or ask the DHS secretary where he gets his numbers.

[cantthinkofanything]

Sorry... I went extreme for rhetorical purposes :lol But the question remains: how much money do you want to spend, and how many freedoms do you want to sacrifice? What specific actions could we take as a country to settle your concerns?

shit...if I knew all that, I probably wouldn't be posting on Spurstalk. :lol

Seriously though, I don't know that it's fixable. I don't want to live in a Big Brother state where everything is tracked but the more things deteriorate, the closer we are to getting to that point. We have or will soon have the technology to monitor everyone 24/7. At this point, I don't see that we can avoid it.

[cantthinkofanything]

check the DHS site.

I've been hearing for months how net immigration is negative, not positive.

As our beloved WC says "Do You Own Research"

or ask the DHS secretary where he gets his numbers.

So you don't know and haven't seen any back up. Got it.

[boutons_deux]

check the DHS site.

I've been hearing for months how net immigration is negative, not positive.

As our beloved WC says "Do You Own Research"

or ask the DHS secretary where he gets his numbers.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/immigration-is-changing-much-more-than-the-immigration-debate/

[cantthinkofanything]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/immigration-is-changing-much-more-than-the-immigration-debate/

You're still 3 years out of date. All the info you've provided is from before this last round of debates on immigration and amnesty.

[boutons_deux]

then show your own current data that proves meso-American illegal immigration is stable or increasing.

amnesty? :lol FUD from the xenophobes, racists, nativists, white supremacists, Fox

[cantthinkofanything]

then show your own current data that proves meso-American illegal immigration is stable or increasing.

amnesty? :lol FUD from the xenophobes, racists, nativists, white supremacists, Fox

uh oh. the emojis. You should probably log off for a bit.

what the actual illegal immigration numbers are have nothing to do with the original post about illegal sex pervs running free.

[boutons_deux]

uh oh. the emojis. You should probably log off for a bit.

what the actual illegal immigration numbers are have nothing to do with the original post about illegal sex pervs running free.

the DACA project was an effort to leave well behaving immigrants alone for 3 years, so DHS etc could concentrate on the criminal immigrants.

Insane that SCOTUS ruled criminals must be released after 6 months while teens can get stuck in Rykers, etc for years without charge, without trial, and often in isolation.

[cantthinkofanything]

Insane that SCOTUS ruled criminals must be released after 6 months while teens can get stuck in Rykers, etc for years without charge, without trial, and often in isolation.

I agree.