Spurs Select C Nikola Milunitov

[TheGoldStandard]

And has a player ever been so selected in the draft?

I couldn't tell you but it's a concern when it comes to bigs especially if they need to put on weight.

[TheGoldStandard]

Every video I see of this guy is him playing against a bunch of other unathletic guys

[ChumpDumper]

I couldn't tell you but it's a concern when it comes to bigs especially if they need to put on weight.And you didn't know this guy existed until tonight, correct?

[TheGoldStandard]

And you didn't know this guy existed until tonight, correct?

I saw his Draft Express stuff when his name was mentioned but didn't think they would actually take him.. Thought they'd address the SG/SF position given that Beli is probably gone and perhaps Manu

[Richie]

So they did zero in person evaluations on him? lol. they just took the word of people who were hoping he would get drafted... smart

Worked with Kawhi

[BatManu20]

Starting to think some of the "maturity issues" that reports mentioned about Christian Wood may have had some merit.


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[ChumpDumper]

I saw his Draft Express stuff when his name was mentioned but didn't think they would actually take him.. Thought they'd address the SG/SF position given that Beli is probably gone and perhaps Manu
So you didn't know he existed until tonight.

[RD2191]

Starting to think some of the "maturity issues" that reports mentioned about Christian Wood may have had some merit.


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Wow, what a bitch.

[TheGoldStandard]

So you didn't know he existed until tonight.

This was days ago.. so not exactly tonight..

[TheGoldStandard]

Starting to think some of the "maturity issues" that reports mentioned about Christian Wood may have had some merit.


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LOL, when you have a guy named Cady go ahead of you I can understand the frustration..

[ChumpDumper]

This was days ago.. so not exactly tonight..Totally different.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Over under on when he blows out his knee? I say six months and would take the under.

i'll take the under, too.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

RC's interview.. last 30 seconds said they had overseas assessments but didn't have a chance to get him in San Antonio or in front of their medical team.

The question was whether they wanted him to put on weight. They said they looked at him overseas but they had not had him in SA to evaluate fully. He also mentioned that he just finished his season last week. IOW, as per usual, we aren't telling you shit.

[SpursSerb]

Milutinov is at least 2-3 seasons away from the NBA. I expect him to change the club this summer, due to financial problems that Partizan has. Plus Partizan is not playing in euroleague, and there is not place for improvements playing againts couple of mediocre centers in Adriatic league, or less. He needs big games. I'm concered about his ability to stay healthy, he had a couple of injury pauses previous 2 seasons. He had mononucleosis when he was 18 i think.

[TheCerebral1]

With half the roster going to UFA or RFA, it would have been nice to add someone who could help. Aldridge had better be a Spur.

[TheGreatYacht]

Milutinov is at least 2-3 seasons away from the NBA. I expect him to change the club this summer, due to financial problems that Partizan has. Plus Partizan is not playing in euroleague, and there is not place for improvements playing againts couple of mediocre centers in Adriatic league, or less. He needs big games. I'm concered about his ability to stay healthy, he had a couple of injury pauses previous 2 seasons. He had mononucleosis when he was 18 i think.
Thanks for the info :tu

[kobyz]

What his buyout status?

[Uriel]

Starting to think some of the "maturity issues" that reports mentioned about Christian Wood may have had some merit.


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I'm keeping my head high and staying humble? :lmao

[Trill Clinton]

Milutinov is at least 2-3 seasons away from the NBA. I expect him to change the club this summer, due to financial problems that Partizan has. Plus Partizan is not playing in euroleague, and there is not place for improvements playing againts couple of mediocre centers in Adriatic league, or less. He needs big games. I'm concered about his ability to stay healthy, he had a couple of injury pauses previous 2 seasons. He had mononucleosis when he was 18 i think.

thank you. keep us updated.

[cd98]

Let's be honest, Spurs weren't going to draft a player to be on the roster unless it was one of a handful that weren't available when they were drafting. It made for a boring draft, but they need every penny for free agency.

I'm still bothered that we had the sixth seed and drafted so low. I understand they figure those tie breakers differently, but if we get screwed in playoff seeding, we also shouldn't get screwed in our draft position. Seems unfair.

[TheGoldStandard]

With half the roster going to UFA or RFA, it would have been nice to add someone who could help. Aldridge had better be a Spur.

This is the Spurs, what do you expect.. When the Spurs strike out on LMA and we ultimately lose our backup wing players we're all going to be looking for 2nd year Anderson who is physically unable to stay in front of players to help and when it fails we will be asking, "Why didn't we take someone athletic in the draft" lol..

[Seventyniner]

Paul Garcia PS @PaulGarciaPS
(https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaPS).@MichaelErlerSBN (https://twitter.com/MichaelErlerSBN/) asked Buford on a potential type of player Milutinov could be, Buford said Rasho Nesterovic.

10/10 troll job

[CGD]

Predictable draft frankly. Not sure it ever made sense to trade Tiago on draft night as some here wanted without a firm commitment from LMA. That would have been premature and dumb.

So they stash this guy. Spurfan still has a rookie in LJC to look forward to THIS season, and possibly Thomas from Barcelona if he does well in summer league.

The big play was always in free agency and not in the draft. Not sure why folks are so disappointed.

[Raven]

i'm happy with the pick. a center with measurables and mobility is what we needed, he is not gobert by any means, but we'll see how he develops.

[DMC]

They already have that French/Greek sensation Oompa Loompous.

[dabom]

They already have that French/Greek sensation Oompa Loompous.

Not sure if serious. :lol

[elemento]

I'm expecting a more athletic Splitter with a dick instead of a vagina !

[Russ]

I'm expecting a more athletic Splitter with a dick instead of a vagina !

Splitter was a superstar in Euro basketball. This guy isn't (at least not yet).

[elemento]

Splitter was a superstar in Euro basketball. This guy isn't (at least not yet).

I wouldn't go that far, but he was pretty good indeed. But don't forget that Splitter was 25 y/o when SA brought him and he wasn't a "star" in Spain when he was 20 y/o.

Milutinov is is still 20 y/o. He has a long way to go.

[raybies]

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[BillMc]

I'm expecting a more athletic Splitter with a dick instead of a vagina !

Forget his genitals, how are his calf muscles?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Not sure if it's true, but I'm listening to the Dunc'd On podcast from Nate Duncan of RealGM, and he says that as long as there is a written agreement between Milutinov and the Spurs that he won't be coming over this year, the cap hold disappears.

[DPG21920]

Not sure if it's true, but I'm listening to the Dunc'd On podcast from Nate Duncan of RealGM, and he says that as long as there is a written agreement between Milutinov and the Spurs that he won't be coming over this year, the cap hold disappears.

For the 1st round pick, but there will then be a roster charge for that spot.

[ace3g]

Dan McCarney @danmccarneySAEN
(https://twitter.com/danmccarneySAEN)The intrepid @Monroe_SA (https://twitter.com/Monroe_SA/) tracked down young Nikola Milutinov. Cites his hero as (of course) Vlade Divac. "The one and only."


Dan McCarney @danmccarneySAEN
(https://twitter.com/danmccarneySAEN)"Hopefully Spurs fans will see me in Spurs jersey soon and will understand what type of a player I am. I won't disappoint them."


Mike Monroe @Monroe_SA
(https://twitter.com/Monroe_SA)Interviewed #Spurs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Spurs) draftee Nikola Milutinov, who explained how he gave up swimming for hoops ... story coming soon on EN.com (http://t.co/9FRo4sK1Ts)

[elemento]

Forget his genitals, how are his calf muscles?

Don't worry mate, it's stacked !

http://i.imgur.com/dq1YU.jpg


Great sig btw

[Mr. Body]

Well! Duncan gave up swimming for hoops. This guy will be awesome.

[BillMc]

Don't worry mate, it's stacked !

http://i.imgur.com/dq1YU.jpg


Great sig btw

Ha thanks. Well, it looks like Nik is less like to have the calf probs Tiago has... Of course, there's more muscle to injure. :lol

[Seventyniner]

Mike Monroe @Monroe_SA
(https://twitter.com/Monroe_SA)Interviewed #Spurs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Spurs) draftee Nikola Milutinov, who explained how he gave up swimming for hoops ... story coming soon on EN.com (http://t.co/9FRo4sK1Ts)




It sure worked for Duncan...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

For the 1st round pick, but there will then be a roster charge for that spot.

Which is the slot any FA would displace should he sign an offer sheet and be considered for league approval. For the purposes of signing a potential free agent you do not add in another minimum salary.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

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[dabom]

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Better than errors trex arms. :lmao

[mkurts]

Looks like the end is nigh for Splitter.

Expecting many Splitter suckers to jump off the nearest building asap

[DPG21920]

Which is the slot any FA would displace should he sign an offer sheet and be considered for league approval. For the purposes of signing a potential free agent you do not add in another minimum salary.

You don't add in a min salary, but you absolutely do add in a roster charge. From a cap space perspective in the example I quoted, instead of there being a cap hold for the 1st round pick, you have a roster charge for that spot that eats away at cap space. It's less than the 1st rounder charge, but it still takes away from cap space. It doesn't go to zero for cap space purposes in the post I responded to if that makes sense.

[KL2]

I can't see this guy getting any meaningful playing time in the playoffs if they move Splitter, Pop almost never plays rookies in the playoffs and if he does they see heavily limited minutes despite no matter how well they play. We've seen Pop do it with almost every single rookie he's had.

[objective]

Pretty disappointed that he won't be brought over. They're gonna have roster spots, and will have to renounce Baynes to have any cap room, and Ayres of course. He could fill a Baynsian role pretty much off the bat, at least the rookie version of Baynes. Baynes is an over 30 guy who is in as good shape as he'll ever be, and probably gone. Milutinov could do the same things, play tough, dive to the rim, play hard. Don't really want to wait 3 years or however long it will take.

[Ditty]

I was a little sour when the Spurs picked him over Harrell, because I think the Spurs are lacking with or without Aldridge an athletic big who can do all the dirty work, but I really like this pick now after seeing some of his good and bad highlights. It seem like a lot of his struggles he has are due to his strength, but he added twenty five pounds as mentioned so it will interesting to see if that will help him develop more. I really like his form on his outside shot, may need some tweaking of it because his misses seem to be all short. I never understood how you can be such a great offensive rebounded, but an average defensive rebounder when especially when effort is one of your strengths :lol. Outside of his poor shot blocking which I think will eventually come with more experience and feel for the game, he plays the pick n roll extremely well for his age and also moves extremely well for a guy his size. He finishes extremely well at the rim also, and him adding strength is going to help him finish and ones, and not settle for tough hook shots in the post which his post game isn't all that bad either. I think he will be a solid backup big man at least in the NBA in about two years, which is expected out of the 26 selection. Great pick! :toast

[kobyz]

i'm embarrassed we draft him, worse than Bynes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0YdoC48Pvg

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You don't add in a min salary, but you absolutely do add in a roster charge. From a cap space perspective in the example I quoted, instead of there being a cap hold for the 1st round pick, you have a roster charge for that spot that eats away at cap space. It's less than the 1st rounder charge, but it still takes away from cap space. It doesn't go to zero for cap space purposes in the post I responded to if that makes sense.

You have to account for N roster charges. So if you want to tell what the cap space is now then yes you definitely have to include that Nth charge. OTOH if you are trying to sign a free agent, you sign them an offer sheet and then submit it. The league looks to see if the deal would put them over the cap. When they do that accounting the FA figure will replace that Nth figure as long as it's the minimum. Thus me saying 'for the purposes of signing a FA.'

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i'm embarrassed we draft him, worse than Bynes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0YdoC48Pvg

2 days and that is the best you can come up with?

[BatManu20]

I can't see this guy getting any meaningful playing time in the playoffs if they move Splitter, Pop almost never plays rookies in the playoffs and if he does they see heavily limited minutes despite no matter how well they play. We've seen Pop do it with almost every single rookie he's had.

Not sure if serious. Milutinov is staying overseas for at least 2 years, probably more.

[montgod]

Not sure if serious. Milutinov is staying overseas for at least 2 years, probably more.

Yup, I agree. I pretty much assumed the Spurs were in draft/stash mode with all the LMA rumors. It only confirmed that someone big will be signed or sought after when FA begins when they drafted Milutinov. With TD and Manu, there is a need for players who contribute now vs. later. Should be interesting offseason....4 more days till the fireworks begin.

[TD 21]

I'm not surprised, but it was definitely an underwhelming draft. The minimal savings from this don't outweigh having a cheap, young contributor, something this team desperately needs. And then to not even get guys like Holmes or Frazier, for Summer League, makes no sense.

Milutonov might pan out in a few years and Anderson might begin to next season, but they need to start getting immediate value out of the draft. I realize they've been the deepest team in the league and arguably the best over the past four years, but you'd have to go back to '11 to find the last time they got a contributor.

If they find a way to sign Aldridge, while retaining Green, I almost don't care how they fill out the roster, but if not, this could look a lot worse in 7-10 days.

[HankChinaski]

I am not surprised by these draft picks nor about having certain players that didn't get drafted invited into summer league team. The coaching staff probably has a general idea whom they are currently looking to evaluate that are either draft picks from previous seasons and players currently on roster that they want to take a closer look at.

Hanga, Anderson, Thomas, Lalanne, possibly LJC but that one is a bit of a stretch so far. Much easier to see other teams place them on their summer league roster where they will have a better opportunity to receive playing time and watching them play during summer league.

You have to think they (Spurs Staff) will be looking at other teams watching and considering whether x player would be worth inviting into training camp or signing to non guaranteed contract. Why go about inviting 10-12 guys when you are solely looking at 4-6 guys in terms of development and ceiling for your own team?

You only have so many minutes to work with for the summer league games.

[ace3g]

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[Axegrinder]

Somebody please get him cheezeburgers, thanks

[BillMc]

Somebody please get him cheezeburgers, thanks

It worked for DeJaun Blair.

[Axegrinder]

It worked for DeJaun Blair....not THAT many

[BillMc]

...not THAT many
:lol

[kobyz]

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Not the best wingspan...

[kobyz]

Somebody please get him cheezeburgers, thanks

The problem with milutinov is that if he put up some whight it could very easy hurt his quickness which right now is good for his size and you don't want to see him lose that advantage...

[NikosChelsea7]

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#Euroleague (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Euroleague?src=hash) With the blessings of the @spurs (https://twitter.com/spurs) @NMilutinov (https://twitter.com/NMilutinov) is about to sign a three year deal with @olympiacosbc (https://twitter.com/olympiacosbc) http://www.eurohoops.net/?p=112257 (http://t.co/t2eVTKTHwA)
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[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:tu

[TXstbobcat]

It worked for DeJaun Blair.

Whataburger in Texas is addicative. I went through Whataburger withdrawls when I moved away from Texas.

[ducks]

wonder if contract has a buyout in year 2

[spurraider21]

wonder if contract has a buyout in year 2
i hope tony's contract has a buyout too

[ducks]

so he can secure a 4 year deal ?

[NikosChelsea7]

wonder if contract has a buyout in year 2
It is reported that his contract will have an "NBA out" option.

[JuneJive]

He is gonna get some burn under Sfairopoulos and Tomic ( asst. coach and a fellow Serb )

They've got Patric Young as their only true center, so minutes will be there.

[NikosChelsea7]

He is gonna get some burn under Sfairopoulos and Tomic ( asst. coach and a fellow Serb )

They've got Patric Young as their only true center, so minutes will be there.
Before this it appeared that Patric Young and Othello Hunter would share the minutes at C. Besides we have mostly used "undersized" centers for the past 3 years(kyle hines,joey dorsey,bryant dunston) , so if this is finalized we would be going to a different direction. I still think that it is possible that Milutinov will be the third option behind Young and Hunter.

[JuneJive]

We'll have to kinda feel out Sfairopoulos and see what his proclivities are, but with Tomic in his ear i can very well see Milutinov in front of Hunter in the rotation. Still, too early to tell. You could be right.

[NikosChelsea7]

The article at Eurohoops.net ( http://www.eurohoops.net/el/2015/07/featured-el/112243 -until now it is only available in Greek) states that "the players' side has talked to the Spurs and the advice he received is that the Greek club has one of the best programs for improving and developing young players ,through the parallel friction process at championship level ,with playing time at Olympiacos' roteison".

[Mamuza94]

I'm not sure in that. In Partizan he were worked with probably best coach in Europe for devolment of young players. Dusko Vujosevic is first in this segment with Zelimir Obradovic. Especially in work with centers. But definitly it's better that he'll play in Oly better games vs stroner, euroleague teams.

[BD24]

Whataburger in Texas is addicative. I went through Whataburger withdrawls when I moved away from Texas.
Message Rob and he can maybe arrange a deal where he sends you some. He is the manager of one of the Whataburgers off of Culebra.

[BatManu20]

Message Rob and he can maybe arrange a deal where he sends you some. He is the manager of one of the Whataburgers off of Culebra.

Speaking of, where is Rob? Haven't seen him around on here in a while.

[BD24]

Speaking of, where is Rob? Haven't seen him around on here in a while.
Working those long manager hours, you know how it is. Grinding it out for that dolla.

[NikosChelsea7]

It's about to become official.

[NikosChelsea7]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/564786909881184258/3bTTuSdB_bigger.pngOlympiacos B.C. ‏@olympiacosbc (https://twitter.com/olympiacosbc) 3 λεπτάΠριν από 3 λεπτά (https://twitter.com/olympiacosbc/status/624940741039628288)
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It's official.
It's a three year deal "which will include multiple NBA outs".
Reports in English:


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OFFICIAL: As @nikosvarlas (https://twitter.com/nikosvarlas) reported last night @NMilutinov (https://twitter.com/NMilutinov) was close to @olympiacosbc (https://twitter.com/olympiacosbc) http://www.eurohoops.net/?p=112257 (http://t.co/t2eVTLbiVa) The club just confirmed the deal
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#Euroleague (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Euroleague?src=hash) @NMilutinov (https://twitter.com/NMilutinov) signed with @olympiacosbc (https://twitter.com/olympiacosbc) for the next three years under the @spurs (https://twitter.com/spurs) blessings http://www.eurohoops.net/?p=112518 (http://t.co/Frkzdimriw)
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[ace3g]

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OFFICIAL: Olympiacos signs Nikola Milutinov to a three-year deal http://www.sportando.com/en/europe/greece/170450/olympiacos-signs-nikola-milutinov-to-a-three-year-contract.html … (http://t.co/vERrkhbZfS)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKw95NvWIAE08up.png
(https://twitter.com/sportando/status/624942504706768896/photo/1)

[ohmwrecker]

Man, that uni is hideous. Looks like a potato chip bag.

[Chinook]

Man, that uni is hideous. Looks like a potato chip bag.

That's what jerseys would look like if Whataburger sponsored them.

[Uriel]

Somewhere, KBP is jizzing in his pants.

[AFBlue]

That's what jerseys would look like if Whataburger sponsored them.

I'd be down with a special edition dreamcicle uni on Whataburger night. As long as it included free Whataburger when the Spurs win.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/429412128173608960/VJ82nkME_bigger.jpeg Nikola Milutinov ‏@NMilutinov (https://twitter.com/NMilutinov)

Very happy to be joining such a great club. Let's win it all !!!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKxj75yUwAA9jal.jpg
(https://twitter.com/NMilutinov/status/624984333745393664/photo/1)

[Darkwaters]

Good club. Hopefully hes able to get on the floor.

[SpursFan86]

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[buttsR4rebounding]

That's what jerseys would look like if Whataburger sponsored them.

:rollin

[buttsR4rebounding]

It appears that both picks this year agreed to a development schedule with the Spurs prior to being drafted. This is an extension of the "guys who have gotten over themselves" strategy that the Spurs pursue. It is apparent going forward that unless they can move on a guy like KL this is the type of draft choice the Spurs will be taking for the foreseeable future. I think they see that most teams lack the proper patience in developing a player so the Spurs will be able to find a Danny Green or maybe, a Jimmer Ferdette, players that needed more time to develop and get cut loose precisely when they are poised to be their best.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[Chinook]

God the Spurs messed up that draft.

[SAGirl]

God the Spurs messed up that draft.
Going to be another Hanga.
I don't see him in the Spurs.

[Chinook]

Going to be another Hanga.
I don't see him in the Spurs.

Again, Milutinov pretty much killed draft-and-stash in my opinion. Dude wants big money when he's not better than a replacement player right now. It's absurd.

[Ice009]

Again, Milutinov pretty much killed draft-and-stash in my opinion. Dude wants big money when he's not better than a replacement player right now. It's absurd.

Did the Spurs even want to bring him over? If he was asking for big money, then you're right about that being absurd.

Which way do you think the Spurs should have went in that draft?

[Chinook]

Did the Spurs even want to bring him over? If he was asking for big money, then you're right about that being absurd.

Which way do you think the Spurs should have went in that draft?

I have no idea if the Spurs wanted to bring him over. But he wanted to stay over so that he'd be unbound by the rookie scale. I don't remember if Bogdonovic's deal was explicitly stated as his motivation, but that's the impression I got.

[SAGirl]

Again, Milutinov pretty much killed draft-and-stash in my opinion. Dude wants big money when he's not better than a replacement player right now. It's absurd.
It's Spurs fault bottom line.
1. They didn't have to draft him;
2. If they drafted him, they didn't need to stash him;
3. If they stashed him, it didn't need to be for the 3 seasons.
4. It may not end up better than Livio or Hanga. Livio wasn't an NBA player but had to get paid and he didn't even give you garbage time play or a practice body for that money. Hangs wanted more than a minimum too.

It's noteworthy Spurs haven't stashed after Milutinov so far.

[TheGreatYacht]

Drafting and stashing continues to be the stupidest strategy of all time. There's been countless first round euros that have never been heard from again because they were money whores overseas. The process hardly works and ends careers. 3-4 years to develop in Europe, and then 2-3 years to let their games translate to the NBA... terrible.

[duncan2150]

God the Spurs messed up that draft.

I don't understand what this extension changes because there's a buyout.... they don't need him this year with gasol, he may come next year.

[Ice009]

I don't understand what this extension changes because there's a buyout.... they don't need him this year with gasol, he may come next year.

The issue is, if the Spurs do want him next year or whenever, even if he has a buyout, he may ask for a lot more money, and I'm pretty sure the Spurs won't want to give that to a guy that hasn't proved himself in the NBA. There might be a standoff due to him asking for a higher amount of money than the Spurs are willing to pay, and he may never come over because of it.

[Chinook]

I don't understand what this extension changes because there's a buyout.... they don't need him this year with gasol, he may come next year.


The issue is, if the Spurs do want him next year or whenever, even if he has a buyout, he may ask for a lot more money, and I'm pretty sure the Spurs won't want to give that to a guy that hasn't proved himself in the NBA. There might be a standoff due to him asking for a higher amount of money than the Spurs are willing to pay, and he may never come over because of it.

Ice is correct. However, you could also consider that now the Spurs likely have to pay a larger buyout, likely by giving Nikola a signing bonus. Because that's money sort of coming out of his pocket, Milutinov will likely want more. So the Spurs then have to use even more of their MLE to bring the dude over. It's just a mess. They pissed away that pick trying to save like $400k in cap space, and they ended up not needing it (which was always obvious for those of us following the cap). Had they taken that pick seriously, it may have been a real contributor now.

To put into perspective, five of the top 10 players from the 2015 NBA draft in terms of win-shares and WS/48, and in BPM (and four of the top 10 in the case of VORP) were picked after Nikola. That list doesn't even include Powell and Richardson, who both just got max (for them) extensions. That wasn't the best draft ever, but it was better than PATFO treated it as.

[raybies]

Ice is correct. However, you could also consider that now the Spurs likely have to pay a larger buyout, likely by giving Nikola a signing bonus. Because that's money sort of coming out of his pocket, Milutinov will likely want more. So the Spurs then have to use even more of their MLE to bring the dude over. It's just a mess. They pissed away that pick trying to save like $400k in cap space, and they ended up not needing it (which was always obvious for those of us following the cap). Had they taken that pick seriously, it may have been a real contributor now.

To put into perspective, five of the top 10 players from the 2015 NBA draft in terms of win-shares and WS/48, and in BPM (and four of the top 10 in the case of VORP) were picked after Nikola. That list doesn't even include Powell and Richardson, who both just got max (for them) extensions. That wasn't the best draft ever, but it was better than PATFO treated it as.
which players? imma have to check that out.

Edit:

Larry Nance would have been nice or Josh Richardson. But let's give it time. There's no can't miss player after Milutinov imo Not like Jimmy Butler for example

[raybies]

He's got a buyout next year and the following year and has potential to be one of the best bigs in Europe imo. He was coming out of his shell in the Euroleague playoffs and with a couple years to establish himself he could be the next Splitter albeit healthy, hopefully.

Much about nothing tbh I understand the gripe about getting him cheap, but letting him develop in a good situation is mutually beneficial. He can learn on somebody else's time and pocketbook. What we save now, he gets later. It'll be okay. And if he doesn't turn out then he'll be cheaper. He's not gonna get an astronomical number no matter how he plays. The big money days are over in this league. The money for expensive role players are gone. Maybe yall fear another Javtokas scenario but I don't see it.

Edit: and by expensive role players i mean like when Turner, Crabbe, Bazemore etc got like 20 mill a year deals. Cause I know Patty and Ingles might be brought up or Pau lol

[Chinook]

which players? imma have to check that out.

Edit:

Larry Nance would have been nice or Josh Richardson. But let's give it time. There's no can't miss player after Milutinov imo Not like Jimmy Butler for example

Here's the list. Sort as needed. https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2015.html

[SAGirl]

Ice is correct. However, you could also consider that now the Spurs likely have to pay a larger buyout, likely by giving Nikola a signing bonus. Because that's money sort of coming out of his pocket, Milutinov will likely want more. So the Spurs then have to use even more of their MLE to bring the dude over. It's just a mess. They pissed away that pick trying to save like $400k in cap space, and they ended up not needing it (which was always obvious for those of us following the cap). Had they taken that pick seriously, it may have been a real contributor now.

To put into perspective, five of the top 10 players from the 2015 NBA draft in terms of win-shares and WS/48, and in BPM (and four of the top 10 in the case of VORP) were picked after Nikola. That list doesn't even include Powell and Richardson, who both just got max (for them) extensions. That wasn't the best draft ever, but it was better than PATFO treated it as.
What a massive fail!!!
And for what? Boban played almost strictly garbage time that season let’s be honest. I enjoyed watching the big man as much as anyone here, but he was a Spur for strictly one season. That spot could have been a development big if they felt they wanted a big. I always saw Norman Powell as a better version of Simmons anyways, athletic and quick 2 guard with good defensive potential, who likes to slash and get on the open court, and a slightly better (even if streaky) shooter and younger. Anyways there were guys Spurs could have used in that draft. 2015-16 season the Spurs were also the oldest team in the league and didn’t have any developmental talent in the pipeline except Livio who wasn’t looking like an NBA player, Davis who at the time had suffered a second ACL tear and couldn’t be taken for granted at that time and Kyle who was picked just a season prior and barely played at all hisrook year. Spurs sort of gave up on developing in 2015.

Then appeared to have reconsidered that strategy in the next couple of seasons

[SAGirl]

He's got a buyout next year and the following year and has potential to be one of the best bigs in Europe imo. He was coming out of his shell in the Euroleague playoffs and with a couple years to establish himself he could be the next Splitter albeit healthy, hopefully.

Much about nothing tbh I understand the gripe about getting him cheap, but letting him develop in a good situation is mutually beneficial. He can learn on somebody else's time and pocketbook. What we save now, he gets later. It'll be okay. And if he doesn't turn out then he'll be cheaper. He's not gonna get an astronomical number no matter how he plays. The big money days are over in this league. The money for expensive role players are gone. Maybe yall fear another Javtokas scenario but I don't see it.

Edit: and by expensive role players i mean like when Turner, Crabbe, Bazemore etc got like 20 mill a year deals. Cause I know Patty and Ingles might be brought up or Pau lol
until RC wants to bring him over in a minimum or tiny deal and he’d rather stay over there then gripe on instagram that the Spurs reneged on an offer... Anyways I am not in favor of stashing personally and if you must stash don’t wait more than a couple more seasons. If the guy is so raw that he cannot give you some practice time scrimmage body and some garbage time or sick leave for another player then just draft someone else. Sometimes one feels that these stashes weren’t even BPA, just a player that agreed to get stashed. I am not holding my breath on him. The Hanga experience madecme skeptical on these stashes.

[raybies]

until RC wants to bring him over in a minimum or tiny deal and he’d rather stay over there then gripe on instagram that the Spurs reneged on an offer... Anyways I am not in favor of stashing personally and if you must stash don’t wait more than a couple more seasons. If the guy is so raw that he cannot give you some practice time scrimmage body and some garbage time or sick leave for another player then just draft someone else. Sometimes one feels that these stashes weren’t even BPA, just a player that agreed to get stashed. I am not holding my breath on him. The Hanga experience madecme skeptical on these stashes.


Hanga imo isn't even a player of any caliber to lose sleep over so to speak. He's a very flawed player and I don't think the Spurs really wanted to bring him over. If Nikola has any kind of success in Europe, he'll come over. European contracts aren't that big compared to NBA contracts so if he's worth it, it's worth it. I guess some are upset over him maybe taking the mid level exception but if he played his rookie contract and showed anything he'd be worth 8-12 mill per easy by the time he's ready, say we didn't stash him.

He was drafted in 2015. That means by 2019 he would be ready to either be extended, unlikely, or resigned. About a mill per for 4 years is 4 million. If he showed promise and in realistic means to his potential, while with the Spurs, he'd earn 8 mill to 12 mill per imo. So he has opt outs 2018 and 2019 with Olympiacos which would be about the time he would have finished his rookie contract. So you'll need the Mid Level or Cap to sign him. In 2018, it would most likely be some of the Mid Level and in 2019 it would be cap in my estimation. Anyways lets say he comes over in 2019, then you can give him a slight raise, have to see his current contract details with Olympiacos, using cap. This gives him time to establish himself and determine a value. If he played well with the Spurs his value would be greater cause he's in the NBA but if he plays well in Europe, it's seen in moderation. For example, Milos Teodosic, one of the best players in Europe accepted an offer for a 2 year 12 million deal, and Ekpe Udoh, who was one of the best bigs in Europe signed with Utah for 2 years 6 mill I believe.

Fact is as long as he stays we have his rights. Imo the way it lines up, 2019, maybe he becomes a solid rotational big or role playing starting center with Spurs, he'll be restricted but that doesn't mean we can retain him. In 2019, we have to resign Leonard and if LMA is gone, we'll have some work to do. If the summer goes awesome, you lose him for nothing. On the other hand, if you do wait till 2019 to sign him, you actually save four million, decrease value, and if all goes well, he is fully developed. If he comes next year on the exception, sure you lose a year at 1 mill but he still shouldn't be expensive. With Joff exceeding, I think he won't come till 2019.

Hope I explained my feelings properly.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't think his extension changes that much, the rookie scale went out of the window when they decided not to sign him this summer and how much he's going to demand in the future will depend on how he plays and develops.

Let's hope he'll get a full season as a starter instead of playing behind someone like Khem Birch. If he develops into a C version of Bogdan Bogdanovic I'm sure the Spurs would be happy to pay him and bring him over. If not he too will probably be posting on instagram how he's been promised shit or something.

[Maddog]

Hanga imo isn't even a player of any caliber to lose sleep over so to speak. He's a very flawed player and I don't think the Spurs really wanted to bring him over. If Nikola has any kind of success in Europe, he'll come over. European contracts aren't that big compared to NBA contracts so if he's worth it, it's worth it. I guess some are upset over him maybe taking the mid level exception but if he played his rookie contract and showed anything he'd be worth 8-12 mill per easy by the time he's ready, say we didn't stash him.

He was drafted in 2015. That means by 2019 he would be ready to either be extended, unlikely, or resigned. About a mill per for 4 years is 4 million. If he showed promise and in realistic means to his potential, while with the Spurs, he'd earn 8 mill to 12 mill per imo. So he has opt outs 2018 and 2019 with Olympiacos which would be about the time he would have finished his rookie contract. So you'll need the Mid Level or Cap to sign him. In 2018, it would most likely be some of the Mid Level and in 2019 it would be cap in my estimation. Anyways lets say he comes over in 2019, then you can give him a slight raise, have to see his current contract details with Olympiacos, using cap. This gives him time to establish himself and determine a value. If he played well with the Spurs his value would be greater cause he's in the NBA but if he plays well in Europe, it's seen in moderation. For example, Milos Teodosic, one of the best players in Europe accepted an offer for a 2 year 12 million deal, and Ekpe Udoh, who was one of the best bigs in Europe signed with Utah for 2 years 6 mill I believe.

Fact is as long as he stays we have his rights. Imo the way it lines up, 2019, maybe he becomes a solid rotational big or role playing starting center with Spurs, he'll be restricted but that doesn't mean we can retain him. In 2019, we have to resign Leonard and if LMA is gone, we'll have some work to do. If the summer goes awesome, you lose him for nothing. On the other hand, if you do wait till 2019 to sign him, you actually save four million, decrease value, and if all goes well, he is fully developed. If he comes next year on the exception, sure you lose a year at 1 mill but he still shouldn't be expensive. With Joff exceeding, I think he won't come till 2019.

Hope I explained my feelings properly.

That is an extremely disappointing take as it is very rational.

Another way to look at this is who should the Spurs have taken?
34 players taken after Milunitov and only 4 have appeared in more than 100 games in two years. In addition the two players drafted ahead of him are not exactly barn burners. Add in the fact that it gave the Spurs salary cap flexibility to sign LMA...

[Chinook]

Hanga imo isn't even a player of any caliber to lose sleep over so to speak. He's a very flawed player and I don't think the Spurs really wanted to bring him over. If Nikola has any kind of success in Europe, he'll come over. European contracts aren't that big compared to NBA contracts so if he's worth it, it's worth it. I guess some are upset over him maybe taking the mid level exception but if he played his rookie contract and showed anything he'd be worth 8-12 mill per easy by the time he's ready, say we didn't stash him.

He was drafted in 2015. That means by 2019 he would be ready to either be extended, unlikely, or resigned. About a mill per for 4 years is 4 million. If he showed promise and in realistic means to his potential, while with the Spurs, he'd earn 8 mill to 12 mill per imo. So he has opt outs 2018 and 2019 with Olympiacos which would be about the time he would have finished his rookie contract. So you'll need the Mid Level or Cap to sign him. In 2018, it would most likely be some of the Mid Level and in 2019 it would be cap in my estimation. Anyways lets say he comes over in 2019, then you can give him a slight raise, have to see his current contract details with Olympiacos, using cap. This gives him time to establish himself and determine a value. If he played well with the Spurs his value would be greater cause he's in the NBA but if he plays well in Europe, it's seen in moderation. For example, Milos Teodosic, one of the best players in Europe accepted an offer for a 2 year 12 million deal, and Ekpe Udoh, who was one of the best bigs in Europe signed with Utah for 2 years 6 mill I believe.

Fact is as long as he stays we have his rights. Imo the way it lines up, 2019, maybe he becomes a solid rotational big or role playing starting center with Spurs, he'll be restricted but that doesn't mean we can retain him. In 2019, we have to resign Leonard and if LMA is gone, we'll have some work to do. If the summer goes awesome, you lose him for nothing. On the other hand, if you do wait till 2019 to sign him, you actually save four million, decrease value, and if all goes well, he is fully developed. If he comes next year on the exception, sure you lose a year at 1 mill but he still shouldn't be expensive. With Joff exceeding, I think he won't come till 2019.

Hope I explained my feelings properly.

I disagree. If in 2019, Milutinov had four years of quality NBA service, you take that and are happy. If you have to pay him more that year, it's fine because a) You know he can play in the big league and b) With his cap hold, it's not like he's really going to hurt plans for cap space. I would have much rather have paid him something like $16 Million for the first five seasons than $13 Million for the first three and pushed three years back. And I think the actual salary disparity would be much more skewed than that.

[Chinook]

That is an extremely disappointing take as it is very rational.

Another way to look at this is who should the Spurs have taken?
34 players taken after Milunitov and only 4 have appeared in more than 100 games in two years. In addition the two players drafted ahead of him are not exactly barn burners. Add in the fact that it gave the Spurs salary cap flexibility to sign LMA...

The most important thing is that they didn't gain much flexibility at all. They got less than half-a-million bucks. They had more than that left after making all of their moves (including signing Boban). Simply put, with Tim agreeing to take whatever was left, stashing the pick for financial reasons made no sense.

[SAGirl]

Hanga imo isn't even a player of any caliber to lose sleep over so to speak. He's a very flawed player and I don't think the Spurs really wanted to bring him over. If Nikola has any kind of success in Europe, he'll come over. European contracts aren't that big compared to NBA contracts so if he's worth it, it's worth it. I guess some are upset over him maybe taking the mid level exception but if he played his rookie contract and showed anything he'd be worth 8-12 mill per easy by the time he's ready, say we didn't stash him.

He was drafted in 2015. That means by 2019 he would be ready to either be extended, unlikely, or resigned. About a mill per for 4 years is 4 million. If he showed promise and in realistic means to his potential, while with the Spurs, he'd earn 8 mill to 12 mill per imo. So he has opt outs 2018 and 2019 with Olympiacos which would be about the time he would have finished his rookie contract. So you'll need the Mid Level or Cap to sign him. In 2018, it would most likely be some of the Mid Level and in 2019 it would be cap in my estimation. Anyways lets say he comes over in 2019, then you can give him a slight raise, have to see his current contract details with Olympiacos, using cap. This gives him time to establish himself and determine a value. If he played well with the Spurs his value would be greater cause he's in the NBA but if he plays well in Europe, it's seen in moderation. For example, Milos Teodosic, one of the best players in Europe accepted an offer for a 2 year 12 million deal, and Ekpe Udoh, who was one of the best bigs in Europe signed with Utah for 2 years 6 mill I believe.

Fact is as long as he stays we have his rights. Imo the way it lines up, 2019, maybe he becomes a solid rotational big or role playing starting center with Spurs, he'll be restricted but that doesn't mean we can retain him. In 2019, we have to resign Leonard and if LMA is gone, we'll have some work to do. If the summer goes awesome, you lose him for nothing. On the other hand, if you do wait till 2019 to sign him, you actually save four million, decrease value, and if all goes well, he is fully developed. If he comes next year on the exception, sure you lose a year at 1 mill but he still shouldn't be expensive. With Joff exceeding, I think he won't come till 2019.

Hope I explained my feelings properly.

I respect your PoV, but I think there are opportunity costs missed here. There are players picked later than him that are already NBA players, right now, some who already got extended. It's not a stretch to say they are better NBA players right now and will be better NBA players in the future. At this point, I don't see him ever coming over. He might not be an NBA player, which is common with any late pick, but it's just the feeling he was picked simply bc he was amenable to get stashed and the Spurs didn't want a rookie prospect in the roster that season.

[SAGirl]

The most important thing is that they didn't gain much flexibility at all. They got less than half-a-million bucks. They had more than that left after making all of their moves (including signing Boban). Simply put, with Tim agreeing to take whatever was left, stashing the pick for financial reasons made no sense.
Good point. I appreciate the discussion about the financial aspect of it, since I wouldn't have known that on my own.
I think the roster spot was more precious. Financially, Spurs were taking flyers on prospects. They payed $500k guaranteed to Jimmer Fredette, and guaranteed the first season on JSimms who was not at the time an NBA player. Anyways, I think for Milutinov, his spot was taken by Boban. Boban agreeing to the one year deal he got, pushed Milutinov to the stash route.

[duncan2150]

Ice is correct. However, you could also consider that now the Spurs likely have to pay a larger buyout, likely by giving Nikola a signing bonus. Because that's money sort of coming out of his pocket, Milutinov will likely want more. So the Spurs then have to use even more of their MLE to bring the dude over. It's just a mess. They pissed away that pick trying to save like $400k in cap space, and they ended up not needing it (which was always obvious for those of us following the cap). Had they taken that pick seriously, it may have been a real contributor now.

To put into perspective, five of the top 10 players from the 2015 NBA draft in terms of win-shares and WS/48, and in BPM (and four of the top 10 in the case of VORP) were picked after Nikola. That list doesn't even include Powell and Richardson, who both just got max (for them) extensions. That wasn't the best draft ever, but it was better than PATFO treated it as.

I understand your toughts and i agree with some of them ( spurs could have taken powell or nance for example) but i'm more with raybies.

Imo Mulitinov could be a decent center in the NBA ala Splitter in one year or two and that's where we disagree, even for the MLE wich is not a big contract. He will not come for 10 million/year i think.

He was one of the best young center in Europe last year, he was improving and Olympiakos is a good place for that so we'll see in one year or two if it's a mess in comparison of all the other guys of his draft class.

[Chinook]

I understand your toughts and i agree with some of them ( spurs could have taken powell or nance for example) but i'm more with raybies.

Imo Mulitinov could be a decent center in the NBA ala Splitter in one year or two and that's where we disagree, even for the MLE wich is not a big contract. He will not come for 10 million/year i think.

He was one of the best young center in Europe last year, he was improving and Olympiakos is a good place for that so we'll see in one year or two if it's a mess in comparison of all the other guys of his draft class.

The MLE will be $9 Million next summer. It's not that far from the $10 Million you think is unlikely. It's as much the principle as it is the anything else. You don't draft a guy in the first round to give him $10 Million. You just don't. Maybe Milutinov actually becomes a star or whatever. I doubt he'll be better than Splitter was, and Tiago didn't get the full MLE either (his APY was about a third of the project MLE for next year). I can't justify it. The Spurs could lose a number of key rotation guys next year (Manu, Green, LMA, Gay, Anderson); they simply can't afford to use the MLE on a guy who at best would be a prospect you hope will be able to start in another year or two. It was horrible resource management to stash him, and I think the team realizes now that the market has changed to make future moves unwise. Euros are either coming over right away, or they're going to be overpaid.

[duncan2150]

The MLE will be $9 Million next summer. It's not that far from the $10 Million you think is unlikely. It's as much the principle as it is the anything else. You don't draft a guy in the first round to give him $10 Million. You just don't. Maybe Milutinov actually becomes a star or whatever. I doubt he'll be better than Splitter was, and Tiago didn't get the full MLE either (his APY was about a third of the project MLE for next year). I can't justify it. The Spurs could lose a number of key rotation guys next year (Manu, Green, LMA, Gay, Anderson); they simply can't afford to use the MLE on a guy who at best would be a prospect you hope will be able to start in another year or two. It was horrible resource management to stash him, and I think the team realizes now that the market has changed to make future moves unwise. Euros are either coming over right away, or they're going to be overpaid.

My bad about the MLE, i miss that it will be that high.... i think he will take less than the MLE if he comes to SA. The spurs could give him a contract without using their MLE no ? they have his BR ?
Maybe it was a bad moove to stash him ( not sure of that because he played more in Europe) but we'll see.

[Chinook]

My bad about the MLE, i miss that it will be that high.... i think he will take less than the MLE if he comes to SA. The spurs could give him a contract without using their MLE no ? they have his BR ?
Maybe it was a bad moove to stash him ( not sure of that because he played more in Europe) but we'll see.

They don't have his Bird rights because he hasn't been on the team. They have to use either cap space or an exception to sign him. If he takes the rookie scale (like LJC did) then they don't need the MLE. If he wants more (like Splitter) than it'd be the MLE.

As far as what it'd actually take, I'm as clueless as you are. Bogdanovic is on one end, and Teodosic is on the other.