oh look. A lawsuit filled in Kentucky against a county clerk for refusing to issue

[Trainwreck2100]

The theory of relativity is notated as e=mc squared where squared is the exponent 2 . What do I win Blake?

[Trainwreck2100]

Satisfaction, imo.

or make yourself a trophy if you like.

Such things bring me no satisfaction, I'm an not such a shallow individual that something such as that would be satisfying

[Blake]

The theory of relativity is notated as e=mc squared where squared is the exponent 2 . What do I win Blake?

I don't see anyone arguing against you on that. But if you're satisfied you won, bravo.

And if satisfaction isn't enough, buy yourself a trophy to remember your victory here over your strawman opponent.

[Trainwreck2100]

I don't see anyone arguing against you on that. But if you're satisfied you won, bravo.

And if satisfaction isn't enough, buy yourself a trophy to remember your victory here over your strawman opponent.
Plz read above I don't feel like paying it again

[Blake]

Such things bring me no satisfaction, I'm an not such a shallow individual that something such as that would be satisfying

Well seeing as how you've now got the most posts in this thread, I don't buy that you're satisfied with simply knowing the truth.

I think it's pretty clear you're trying to win to get yourself the satisfaction of being right. You even said as much.

[Blake]

Plz read above I don't feel like paying it again

Neh I don't feel like it. I'm satisfied where I'm at in this discussion.

[Trainwreck2100]

Well seeing as how you've now got the most posts in this thread, I don't buy that you're satisfied with simply knowing the truth.

I think it's pretty clear you're trying to win to get yourself the satisfaction of being right. You even said as much.

Let's analyze this Blake surely you have some data where post count=some intangible "whatever" you've concluded about me I for one don't see the correlation. Blake I never talked about being right I tales about posting truths

[Blake]

I think it's pretty rational to conclude you're not satisfied with just being right based on your high count in this thread. I might be wrong but I doubt it.

[Trainwreck2100]

I think it's pretty rational to conclude you're not satisfied with just being right based on your high count in this thread. I might be wrong but I doubt it.

Well I'm telling you the conclusion you came up with its incorrect. You're conclusion is about me, so do you have any thing to support your argument?

[Blake]

Well I'm telling you the conclusion you came up with its incorrect. You're conclusion is about me, so do you have any thing to support your argument?

Nope. I'm satisfied enough with my opinion.

[CosmicCowboy]

Can't believe people are still talking about this shit.

To paraphrase Oliver Wendell Holmes...

She has a constitutional right to her political and religious beliefs.
She doesn't have a constitutional right to be county clerk.

[Winehole23]

nor to claim consequence-free exceptions to law, based on her religious beliefs.

[Trainwreck2100]

Nope. I'm satisfied enough with my opinion.

Should have led worn "in my opinion" then would have saved everyone time

[Blake]

Should have led worn "in my opinion" then would have saved everyone time

That's what "I think" means

[DarrinS]

This woman still on the front page of HuffPo. Journalists killed on live TV -- long forgotten.

[Trainwreck2100]

That's what "I think" means

I said "led with" I don't see "I think" till today and you've been post count smack since yesterday

[DarrinS]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=2

Correction: September 3, 2015
Because of an editing error, an earlier version of this article misstated Kim Davis’s political affiliation. She is a Democrat, not a Republican.


Lol, "editing error"

[Blake]

I said "led with" I don't see "I think" till today and you've been post count smack since yesterday


imo

[Nbadan]

Oh,oh...

Muslim Flight Attendant Refuses to Serve Alcohol- Do Republicans support her?
A Muslim flight attendant says she was suspended by ExpressJet for refusing to serve alcohol in accordance with her Islamic faith.


She wants to do her job without serving alcohol in accordance with her Islamic faith -- just as she was doing before her suspension, her lawyer said.

"What this case comes down to is no one should have to choose between their career and religion and it's incumbent upon employers to provide a safe environment where employees can feel they can practice their religion freely,"

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/index.html

The reich wing is going into meltdown...

[Spurtacular]

Oh,oh...

Muslim Flight Attendant Refuses to Serve Alcohol- Do Republicans support her?
A Muslim flight attendant says she was suspended by ExpressJet for refusing to serve alcohol in accordance with her Islamic faith.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/index.html

The reich wing is going into meltdown...

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/czszTo8d0nuiI.otT_N31w--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9Mzc3O2lsPXBsYW 5lO3B4b2ZmPTUwO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTY3MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2015-09-06T215708Z_1236103900_GF10000195955_RTRMADP_3_USA-ELECTION-CLINTON.JPG

[boutons_deux]

Oh,oh...

Muslim Flight Attendant Refuses to Serve Alcohol- Do Republicans support her?

A Muslim flight attendant says she was suspended by ExpressJet for refusing to serve alcohol in accordance with her Islamic faith.



Do Republicans support her?

of course not. The Repug dog is wagged by the Christian theocracy Taliban tail. The Christian-hated Muslims, above all, aren't included.

Only Christians can invoke their faith for whatever the fuck situation.

otoh, how was she in a job that everybody knows included handling demon Al Cohol?

========

The laws concerning pharmacy employees refusing to serve customers for moral, religious reasons varies from state to state. The list of states that allow refusals are of course deeply red"Legislative and Administrative Responses to Refusals in the Pharmacy

Fewer than half of the states in the country explicitly address the issue of refusals to provide medication to patients in the pharmacy.

Prohibiting or Limiting Refusals



Existing State Laws and Policies:

Eight states—CA, IL, ME, MA, NV, NJ, WA, WI—explicitly require pharmacists or pharmacies to provide medication to patients.
In seven states—AL, DE, NY, NC, OR, PA, TX—pharmacy boards have issued policy statements that allow refusals but prohibit pharmacists from obstructing patient access to medication.




Permitting Refusals



Existing State Laws and Policies: Six states—AZ, AR, GA, ID, MS, and SD—have laws or regulations that specifically allow pharmacies or pharmacists to refuse for religious or moral reasons without critical protections for patients, such as requirements to refer or transfer prescriptions."


http://www.nwlc.org/resource/pharmacy-refusals-101

[DarrinS]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=2

Correction: September 3, 2015
Because of an editing error, an earlier version of this article misstated Kim Davis’s political affiliation. She is a Democrat, not a Republican.


Lol, "editing error"


Crickets

[CosmicCowboy]

Boo actually thinks most republicans support that dumb bitch in Kentucky.

And yeah, the flight attendant should be fired too.

[ChumpDumper]

CricketsWhat are we supposed to say, Darrin?

[boutons_deux]

What are we supposed to say, Darrin?

Does she vote Dem or Repug?

Obviously her screwed up concept about God vs Caesar is selectively unBiblical to support her hate, and trumps everything, including whatever party she claims to support.

[spurraider21]

while digging up the Palin maverick clip for the trump thread, i came across this gem :lol

2:17 response to "do you support gay marriage":

biden: no. barack obama nor i support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage

but because of SCOTUS obama is now the champion of the gays


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfIKdRmWkBI

[boutons_deux]

while digging up the Palin maverick clip for the trump thread, i came across this gem :lol

2:17 response to "do you support gay marriage":

biden: no. barack obama nor i support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage

but because of SCOTUS obama is now the champion of the gays



Unlike the stupid Repugs, the Dems have aligned themselves, over the PAST EIGHT YEARS, with We The People, who overwhelmingly support same-sex marriage.

[spurraider21]

true. better to shape up/flip-flop to modern times than not to. still find it funny

[boutons_deux]

true. better to shape up/flip-flop to modern times than not to. still find it funny

If you had been paying attention, the whole country, esp the "progressive" military, has moved very rapidly on LGBT rights, protections, and on marijuana. The Repugs always in retrograde mode being pulled backwards by the Taliban Bible humpers, and worse.

[TeyshaBlue]

:lmao

So quickly its breathtaking!





Not.

[Clipper Nation]

Oh,oh...

Muslim Flight Attendant Refuses to Serve Alcohol- Do Republicans support her?
A Muslim flight attendant says she was suspended by ExpressJet for refusing to serve alcohol in accordance with her Islamic faith.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/index.html

The reich wing is going into meltdown...
Predictably, Blake the cuck is radio silent about this.

[spurraider21]

Predictably, Blake (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3460) the cuck is radio silent about this.
to be fair, john oliver hasn't done a segment about it yet

now that jon stewart and colbert have been off the air, he's running short on talking points/material

[ChumpDumper]

That's a weird story about the flight attendant since they had already worked out an accommodation.

[TeyshaBlue]

That's a weird story about the flight attendant since they had already worked out an accommodation.

Kinda sets it apart from the Kentucky case. Not a great comparison at the detailed level.

[ChumpDumper]

Kinda sets it apart from the Kentucky case. Not a great comparison at the detailed level.I've never seen a public election for flight attendant, no.

[Blake]

Predictably, Blake the cuck is radio silent about this.


to be fair, john oliver hasn't done a segment about it yet

now that jon stewart and colbert have been off the air, he's running short on talking points/material

My opinions really mean a lot to you guys, huh.

I'm not sure what you're waiting for me to say. If stewardess can't serve drinks then she needs to find a new line of work.

Not sure how she didn't understand that was part of the job during her peanut passing out training.

[Clipper Nation]

Christian does something bigoted: Blakeold is all over it, starting a thread about it and posting over 50 times in it

Muslim does something bigoted: Blakeold has to be shamed into responding with faint platitudes

:lol Fake atheist

[boutons_deux]

Kinda sets it apart from the Kentucky case. Not a great comparison at the detailed level.

breaks down totally since one is a public official sworn to follow the law and the other is an employee of a private corporation.

my link showed the states are all over the place legally about whether private employees can refuse to work for made-up-bullshit reasons.

[Blake]

Christian does something bigoted: Blakeold is all over it, starting a thread about it and posting over 50 times in it

Muslim does something bigoted: Blakeold has to be shamed into responding with faint platitudes

:lol Fake atheist

Lol shamed. Do you think I'm a Muslim? I don't get your rant about me tbh.

[Koolaid_Man]

If her beliefs were so strong why did they allow her to take the flight attendant job in the first place....fire her ass along with Kim Davis...

[boutons_deux]

Schools are closed in that podunk jail town to facilitate Christian traffic as persecuted KY jelly brains Christians go to persecute the jail house.

I wonder if the cops will gas and club them, roll out the MRAPs, water cannon, riot-equipped cops, have snipers on roofs?

[Clipper Nation]

Lol shamed. Do you think I'm a Muslim? I don't get your rant about me tbh.
You're a typical libcuck who loathes Christianity but makes every excuse known to man for radical Islam.

[Blake]

You're a typical libcuck who loathes Christianity but makes every excuse known to man for radical Islam.

Lol that's funny. Show me one of the excuses you're referring to.

[Clipper Nation]

Lol that's funny. Show me one of the excuses you're referring to.
Christian idiot: thread started within five minutes of the story breaking, 50+ posts in it

Muslim idiot: :cry "I'm not sure what you want me to say, guys!" :cry

[Blake]

Christian idiot: thread started within five minutes of the story breaking, 50+ posts in it

Muslim idiot: :cry "I'm not sure what you want me to say, guys!" :cry

Lol that's funny because you're the one crying here. Show me where I made one excuse, let alone every excuse for the Muslim stewardess.

[Blake]

GOP hopefuls to visit Kim Davis

....Huckabee believes Davis is being persecuted for her religious beliefs. He will attend a rally on her behalf along with her attorney, a pastor and anti-gay marriage lobbyists on Tuesday afternoon. "Kim's stand for religious liberty is a pivotal moment in our nation's history. Will we continue to pretend as though the Supreme Court is the 'Supreme Branch'*with the authority*and ability to*make laws? It most certainly is not,"*Huckabee wrote in an op-ed. Huckabee began a petition to release Davis on his website. His site does not make public how many signatures the petition received.

*Cruz*does not plan to attend Huckabee's rally. He will meet with Davis privately.**

Of course they are.

[ChumpDumper]

Predictably, Blake the cuck is radio silent about this.


Christian does something bigoted: Blakeold is all over it, starting a thread about it and posting over 50 times in it

Muslim does something bigoted: Blakeold has to be shamed into responding with faint platitudes

:lol Fake atheist


You're a typical libcuck who loathes Christianity but makes every excuse known to man for radical Islam.


Christian idiot: thread started within five minutes of the story breaking, 50+ posts in it

Muslim idiot: :cry "I'm not sure what you want me to say, guys!" :cryHave you expressed your opinion about either of these cases, CN?

I'd like to read them if you have links.

[boutons_deux]

5 Myths About Kentucky County Clerk Kim Davis

Many questions, rumors, and talking points from both sides have confused the matter. Here are five myths about where things stand for Davis, and why you shouldn’t be fooled by them:

Myth #1: Marriage licenses issued without Davis’ signature are invalid.

When U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning held Davis in contempt last week, he gave her a pretty generous offer: he would save her from jail if she simply allowed her deputies to issue the marriage licenses. She refused, and the deputies began issuing the licenses on Friday anyway. There is a question, however — that even Bunning acknowledged (http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/the-judge-in-the-kentucky-clerk-case-is-making-the-situation#.jmAvomgjpL) — as to whether the licenses are valid (http://www.buzzfeed.com/dominicholden/kentucky-clerks-name-left-off-marriage-licenses-validity-que?utm_term=4ldqpia#.fqXvOQvMk) without her name on it.
Certainly her lawyers, the grandstanding Liberty Counsel, have insisted that the licenses are “void.” (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/04/437580385/attorneys-for-kim-davis-marriage-licenses-issued-today-are-void)According to Liberty Counsel head Mat Staver, “They are not worth the paper that they are written on.” This narrative certainly keeps the stakes high for his client and makes it seem like there is merit to refusal to participate in issuing licenses.

However, a simple sentence found in Kentucky law seems to clear things up. According to statute 61.035 (http://law.justia.com/codes/kentucky/2011/061-00/61-035), “Any duty enjoined by law or by the Rules of Civil Procedure upon a ministerial officer, and any act permitted to be done by him, may be performed by his lawful deputy.” If Davis can issue licenses, so can her deputies. There is little to suggest that these licenses would or could ever be rejected as legal and binding.

Myth #2: Davis is just like all of the officials who refused to enforce or defend bans on same-sex marriage.

While some conservatives like Rep. Steve King (R-IA) have compared Davis (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2015/09/06/king-infuriates-comparing-kim-davis-rosa-parks/71811324/) to the likes of Rosa Parks, many marriage equality opponents are instead juxtaposing her with the many officials who either ignored or refused to defend state bans on same-sex marriage.

The Heritage Foundation’s Daily Signal STINK TANK! published a list of 10 such comparisons (http://dailysignal.com/2015/09/03/10-public-officials-who-defied-the-law-over-gay-marriage-mostly-silent-on-kim-davis-case/) last week, eight of whom were governors or attorneys general who refused to defend their state bans from challenges in court. All of those eight officials had a sworn duty to the U.S. Constitution, which motivated their decisions not to defend the bans, decisions that were totally within the discretion of their positions. They all still enforced the bans in the meantime.

Heritage offered only two examples of individuals who actually refused to enforce a same-sex marriage ban, neither of whom compare to Davis. One was D. Bruce Hanes, the Register of Wills in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. In 2013, a year before Pennsylvania’s ban on same-sex marriage was overturned, he began issuing marriage licenses (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/07/24/2351641/pennsylvania-marriage-licenses/) to same-sex couples. Eventually, a state judge ordered him to stop (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/09/12/2612081/pennsylvania-judge-orders-county-clerk-stop-issuing-sex-marriage-licenses/) issuing licenses. Hanes appealed (http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/09/pa-county-to-appeal-ruling-that-it-stop-issuing-same-sex-marriage-licenses/), but followed the ruling.

The other example was former San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, who issued over 3,000 marriage licenses to same-sex couples in early 2004 despite California’s ban on same-sex marriage still being in place. Newsom called Mike Huckabee out on Twitter this weekend for defending Davis and the two rehashed Newsome’s actions (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/huckabee-compares-gavin-newsom-to-kentucky-clerk-sparks-twitter-war_55edd447e4b002d5c07660d9?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices&ir=Gay%2BVoices&section=gay-voices) in 2004. Newsom made the point that though it’s true he violated California law — “because we believed the law at that time violated equal protection clause of constitution” — once the court ordered him to stop issuing licenses, he did. “I was never in contempt of court — unlike Kim Davis.”
Contempt is what makes Davis unique. She wasn’t exercising discretion as empowered by her position, and when the court ordered her to obey the law, she disobeyed. That is why she is in jail.

Myth #3: Kentucky could accommodate Davis without forcing her to resign.

The Heritage Foundation’s Ryan T. Anderson STINKER! opined in a New York Times op-ed (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/opinion/we-dont-need-kim-davis-to-be-in-jail.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=1) Monday that the state of Kentucky could have helped accommodate Davis so that she didn’t have to choose jail. He first blamed the Supreme Court for its marriage equality ruling — as he is wont to do (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/07/24/3683386/ryan-anderson-truth-overruled/) — but then suggested that Gov. Steven Beshear (D) didn’t do what he could when requiring state officials to abide by the Obergefell ruling. This would have required calling the Kentucky legislature back for a special session to pass legislation changing how marriage licenses are issued. Davis has filed her own suit (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/08/06/3688648/kentucky-county-clerk-job-suit/) against Beshear claiming that he should be blamed for any problem she faces related to her inability to issue licenses.

Anderson praised a North Carolina law passed (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/10/22/3582797/north-carolina-berger-magistrate-discrimination/) before the Supreme Court decisions — and over the governor’s veto (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/11/3668694/north-carolina-marriage-discrimination-veto-override/) — allowing magistrate judges to refuse to officiating marriages. “Perhaps a similar solution could be found in Kentucky,” Anderson wrote, “by removing an individual clerk’s name and title from a marriage license.”

But as the Huffington Post’s Michelangelo Signorile countered (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelangelo-signorile/how-kim-daviss-defenders_b_8099548.html), North Carolina’s law wouldn’t have actually protected Davis if mimicked in Kentucky. That law only protected those judges who officiate the marriages, not the clerks who file the paperwork. Anderson also ignores that 32 judges have opted out (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article33815355.html), which has limited the issuing of licenses in some counties to a narrow window of just ten hours per week, inconveniencing many couples.

If anything, Anderson’s example reminds just how weak Davis’ case is. As Bunning explained (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/08/13/3691260/kentucky-clerk-marriage-license-violation/) in his original ruling against her, Davis’ job in no way requires her to “condone or endorse same-sex marriage” in any way. “It simply asks the county clerk to certify that the information provided is accurate and that the couple is qualified to marry under Kentucky law.” In other words, Davis’ primary responsibility is paperwork and filing, not authorizing or officiating.

If any official who refused to simply acknowledge the legal existence of same-sex marriage had to be accommodated, it could greatly undermine Obergefell‘s guarantee (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf) that same-sex couples have access to “civil marriage on the same terms and conditions as opposite-sex couples.”

Myth #4: Gov. Beshear can do something to remedy Davis’ predicament.

On Monday, Davis filed a new appeal (http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/kentucky-clerk-asks-appeals-court-to-halt-governors-marriage) in her suit against Gov. Beshear, claiming that his “mandate” on issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples should be put on hold.

But Beshear did not issue a mandate; he simply issued guidance (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/kentucky%20government/2015/06/26/beshear-issue-sex-marriage-licenses/29334147/) for implementing Obergefell. Specifically, the letter he sent (http://cdn.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/06100054/besheargaymarriageletter.pdf) to county clerks explains, “Neither your oath nor the Supreme Court dictates what you must believe. But as as elected officials, they do prescribe how we must act.”

Davis’ attorneys at the Liberty Counsel allege that Beshear “has refused to take elementary steps to accommodate Davis’ undisputed sincerely-held religious beliefs about marriage.” But, ignoring Bunning’s qualifiers, they claim that she has been “coerced” to “authorize and personally approve” same-sex marriage. Thus, they argue that the federal courts should block Beshear’s “mandate,” which would hypothetically entail pausing same-sex marriage across the entire state.

All of the solutions would either require someone else to do Davis’ job (such as “deputizing a neighboring county clerk” to issue licenses in her county) or a legislative revision of how marriage licenses are issued in Kentucky (such as modifying the form to remove her name). Some of them, like deeming her “absent” so that the chief executive of the county can issue the licenses, have already been rejected by Bunning, who pointed out that “this is certainly a creative interpretation,” but “Davis offers no legal precedent to support it.”

The Liberty Counsel has painted Beshear as the individual somehow capable of accommodating Davis, but all that he did was implement Obergefell as the law of the land, and he certainly can’t unilaterally overturn that.

Myth #5: Conservatives can help free Kim Davis.

On Tuesday, Mike Huckabee will join the Family Research Council (FRC), National Organization for Marriage (NOM), and Concerned Women for American in an #ImWithKim “Liberty Rally” at the Carter County Detention Center where Davis is being held. One of the speakers will be Pastor Joshua Feuerstein, who in July encouraged Christians to oppose same-sex marriage (http://www.towleroad.com/2015/07/joshua-feuerstein/) by remembering that “my First Amendment right is guaranteed by my Second Amendment right.” Several schools have closed (http://www.lex18.com/story/29976144/schools-to-close-for-kim-davis-rally-at-carter-county-jail) to accommodate the traffic congestion the rally is expected to cause.

NOM has launched a petition supporting Kim Davis and has started a crowdsourcing (http://www.nomblog.com/40701/) fund to raise money for Davis, because “we cannot turn our back on people like Kim Davis who show incredible courage to stand up to the powerful elite who insist that we abandon the truth of marriage.” Under the subject line “Help free Kim Davis from jail,” FRC similarly invited supporters to sign a petition to Beshear “asking him to issue an accommodation to Kim Davis allowing her to live and work according to her beliefs.”

In an op-ed Tuesday at Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/09/08/kim-davis-in-jail-why-is-our-government-willing-to-accomodate-all-faiths-except-christianity.html), Huckabee seems stunned that the law authorizes Davis “to issue homosexual couples a marriage license.” He complains that she was not offered bail, but there is no such thing as bail when a person is in contempt of court. “I refuse to sit silently as our Constitution is torched and the courts violate our fundamental rights,” he wrote. “We did not fight a revolution against the tyranny of one unelected monarch so we could surrender our freedoms and abandon our Constitution to the tyranny of five unaccountable, unelected lawyers.”

But all that these conservatives are doing is building their membership lists in hopes of later fundraising money for themselves. As Huckabee reveals, their fight is still with the Supreme Court’s ruling, not anyone in Kentucky, and there is no conceivable path for them to actually overturnObergefell.

Tuesday’s rally will probably galvanize even more of the incendiary anti-gay rhetoric that has already been common among Davis’ supporters — like “homo love is hate (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/09/03/3698419/breaking-kim-davis-held-in-contempt-of-court-now-in-us-marshals-custody/)” — but it won’t actually change Davis’ fate. She is in violation of a federal court order, and her choices remain to follow it, resign so that she is not obligated to do so, or remain in jail until her term is up and someone is elected to replace her as county clerk.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/09/08/3699192/kim-davis-myths/

[boutons_deux]

America's Most Convenient Bank® refuses to serve Christians (https://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/26/1287516/-America-s-Most-Convenient-Bank-refuses-to-serve-Christians)

American Atheists, Inc. President, Dave Silverman and Managing Director, Amanda Knief were refused service yesterday by an assistant manager at TD Bank in Cranford, New Jersey.

In a statement released on the American Atheists Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/AmericanAtheists/photos/a.495249962417.276326.71352317417/10152276212767418/?type=1&theater) page, Knief said, “I was just refused service — because I am an atheist. It was embarrassing, humiliating, and pissed me off.”

According to Knief:

A notary at a local bank, where I have gone more than a dozen times to have work documents signed, asked me to explain what we were having notarized. The documents were charitable organizations registrations for American Atheists in several states. So I told her what AA is about.

After learning the nature of the organization and the documents requiring notarization the bank manager refused to witness the signatures on the documents. She interrupted another employee’s lunch to come do the authentications.Knief says:

I have been called names, threatened, hated on and all manner of ridiculed because of my atheist activism, but I think sitting in a bank and having another professional refuse to do business with me because I am an atheist was the worst slight I have ever received.In New Jersey, notaries are not required to abide by any code of conduct or ethics that prevents them from refusing service to people based on "personal reasons." Even though we had a valid, legal document and valid, legal identification--she was legally able to refuse me service.


Her description of the incident was confirmed shortly afterwards by David Silverman in a follow-up post (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dave-Silverman/172185706135249).

“Yup. We just got refused notary services because we are atheists from the Assistant Store Manager at TD near our office. No, we are not moving our business there, at least not until this is rectified.”

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/26/1287516/-America-s-Most-Convenient-Bank-refuses-to-serve-Christians?detail=email


Christian Taliban fucking America up.

[CosmicCowboy]

His documents got notarized so he wasn't refused service.

Cocksucker has used them over a dozen times to get documents notarized for free, he doesn't even bank there, they still notarized his documents and now he wants to make a big fuss over it.

WTF?

Doesn't sound like a victim, sounds like an asshole.

[boutons_deux]

Christian Taliban supremacists stalk a judge for enforcing US law and breaking God's law

Kim Davis Protestors Gather Outside Judge's House, Hold Him In Contempt of 'God's Law'

Just when America thought it had reached peak Kim Davis mania, another absurd spectacle occurred outside the house of the judge who sentenced her to jail for contempt. Monday morning, a dozen protesters gathered outside of Judge David Bunning's Ft. Thomas, Kentucky home, according (http://www.rcnky.com/articles/2015/09/07/anti-gay-christians-come-judge-bunnings-home-ft-thomas) to the River City News.

"Christians from all over the country" were present, read a press release issued by Rev. Flip Benham, but the crowd appeared to be 20 at the most. according to River City News, The protesters were holding signs preaching against homosexuality and calling for Davis to be released from jail. Rev. Benham is head of the melodramatically named "Operation Save America," which opposes women's reproductive rights and homosexuality.

Nonetheless, the protestors would not be perturbed. One sign (http://www.rcnky.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_page_image/public/bunningprotest3_0.jpg?itok=HOad2mFh) had the positive, family-friendly message "live like Sodom, be judged like Sodom" accompanied by a picture of two men kissing.

http://www.alternet.org/culture/watch-kim-davis-protestors-gather-outside-judges-house-hold-him-contempt-gods-law?akid=13456.187590.4_SOAo&rd=1&src=newsletter1042067&t=2

[Quetzal-X]

This fucking bitch was married multiple times yet finds the time to tell others how to live.

Christianity in a nutshell. A religion of shit and hypocrisy. Pure fucking shit.

[JoeChalupa]

While I respect her convictions she is wrong on this being about religious freedom. She took an oath to obey the law.

[Quetzal-X]

She is too fucking stupid to know the difference. I'm sure the repugs love that fact.

[clambake]

GOP could find new support if they'd just dump clowns like huckabee.

[Blake]

She is too fucking stupid to know the difference. I'm sure the repugs love that fact.

photo of Huckabee with Davis about an hour ago.....she was released.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_huckabee_2_kab_150908_16x9_608.jpg

Lol wut the fuck is up with det farmer

[boutons_deux]

LGBT and rule of law win.

Same-sex couples get their CIVIL marriage licenses (no Pastor was jailed during this farce.)

[spurtech09]

Did anyone hear her speech at the end :)....Keep pressing.....Yes keep spreading the word of GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!Jesus Christ rules.....May god bless everyone....Amen

[Spurminator]

Mike Huckabee has gone full retard. He and Cruz are running a heated and physical race to the bottom.

[boutons_deux]

Mike Huckabee has gone full retard. He and Cruz are running a heated and physical race to the bottom.

Kruz is fellating Trump, Trump sez Krazy Kruz has (gives?) good head.

[Blake]

Did anyone hear her speech at the end :)....Keep pressing.....Yes keep spreading the word of GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!Jesus Christ rules.....May god bless everyone....Amen

she's evil, brother

[JoeChalupa]

Mike Huckabee has gone full retard. He and Cruz are running a heated and physical race to the bottom.

Please don't insult the mentally challenged and stop using that word in a derogatory way. Grow up.

[Trill Clinton]

People like Kim and her supporters give us Christians a bad name smh...and Huckabee is a clown.

[RD2191]

God wins, per usual. Lol atheists.

[JoeChalupa]

I'm with Chris Christie on this. Transfer to another job where her religious beliefs do not conflict with her duties. Put her in traffic control.

[RD2191]

This fucking bitch was married multiple times yet finds the time to tell others how to live.

Christianity in a nutshell. A religion of shit and hypocrisy. Pure fucking shit.
Lol. Salty as hell.

[JoeChalupa]

God wins, per usual. Lol atheists.

She still must comply with the law. She was released because the Judge was satisfied that licenses were being issued by her office.

[baseline bum]

I'm with Chris Christie on this. Transfer to another job where her religious beliefs do not conflict with her duties. Put her in traffic control.

Put her fat ass at McDonalds

[RD2191]

She still must comply with the law. She was released because the Judge was satisfied that licenses were being issued by her office.
She's probably going to step down imo.

[Spurminator]

Please don't insult the mentally challenged and stop using that word in a derogatory way. Grow up.

"Going full retard" is a pretty widely accepted phrase in this context and doesn't specifically refer to (or insult) the truly mentally challenged. Sorry you're offended by it.

[Spurminator]

She's probably going to step down imo.

Not until she's milked every martyr penny she can out of this. It's not in her interest for the story to end.

[RD2191]

Not until she's milked every martyr penny she can out of this. It's not in her interest for the story to end.

Will you be buying a Kim Davis poster?

[ChumpDumper]

Did anyone hear her speech at the end :)....Keep pressing.....Yes keep spreading the word of GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!Jesus Christ rules.....May god bless everyone....Amen


God wins, per usual. Lol atheists.Teh gheys are getting marriage licenses in her office.

How is this a win for those opposed to that?

[RD2191]

Teh gheys are getting marriage licenses in her office.

How is this a win for those opposed to that?

She's free ain't she?

[RD2191]

If she's really a Christian she will step down and find another job. She shouldn't be in politics or a government position anyway.

[Spurminator]

Will you be buying a Kim Davis poster?

I don't go to Walmart very often.

[RD2191]

I don't go to Walmart very often.
:lol

[Blake]

She's free ain't she?

Because her office issued licenses while she was in jail.

society wins

[boutons_deux]

Kim Davis released, but she pledges to continue to defy the law (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/08/1419511/-Kim-Davis-released-but-she-pledges-to-continue-to-defy-the-law)

Just minutes after a judge ordered Kim Davis released from jail on Tuesday, her lawyers told CNN that she would violate a court order by forcing her clerks to stop issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/08/1419511/-Kim-Davis-released-but-she-pledges-to-continue-to-defy-the-law?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

[Trill Clinton]

Kim Davis released, but she pledges to continue to defy the law (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/08/1419511/-Kim-Davis-released-but-she-pledges-to-continue-to-defy-the-law)

Just minutes after a judge ordered Kim Davis released from jail on Tuesday, her lawyers told CNN that she would violate a court order by forcing her clerks to stop issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/08/1419511/-Kim-Davis-released-but-she-pledges-to-continue-to-defy-the-law?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29




please fire this bitch

[boutons_deux]

please fire this bitch

she's elected, can only be impeached and convicted.

[ChumpDumper]

She's free ain't she?Nobody wanted her locked up. Teh gheys wanted to be able to get marriage licenses in her office. Now they are getting them.

They won.

[The Reckoning]

shouldn't be thrown in jail for being a bigoted elected official. there are plenty on both sides who are corrupt. gotta just find the loopholes to work around her. that's it. throwing her in jail was a bad, hypocritical move.

[Quetzal-X]

It might be a great decision to chose jail. Her book will fly off the shelves from walmart.

[RandomGuy]

It might be a great decision to chose jail. Her book will fly off the shelves from walmart.

Pretty much.

Hell, I am halfway tempted to deny teh gays wedding cakes if I can get right wing idiots to send me money...

[ChumpDumper]

shouldn't be thrown in jail for being a bigoted elected official. there are plenty on both sides who are corrupt. gotta just find the loopholes to work around her. that's it. throwing her in jail was a bad, hypocritical move.It was her choice.

[boutons_deux]

Nobody wanted her locked up. Teh gheys wanted to be able to get marriage licenses in her office. Now they are getting them.

They won.

her lawyer said she would, when back in the office tommorrow or whenver, stop the clerks from issuing licenses.

The Christian Taliban mucky mucks, and Repugs egging her on, want her in prison as a Christian martyr of conscience, so they can inflame the Christian Taliban, and above all raise funds.

[ChumpDumper]

her lawyer said she would, when back in the office tommorrow or whenver, stop the clerks from issuing licenses.

The Christian Taliban mucky mucks, and Repugs egging her on, want her in prison as a Christian martyr of conscience, so they can inflame the Christian Taliban, and above all raise funds.then she chooses to go back to jail.

Maybe Cruz will have a better gameplan so he won't be cockblocked from the money shot with our heroine next time she's released.

http://a2.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/wksbaragj9io428nrwej.jpg


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[ElNono]

I'm with Chris Christie on this. Transfer to another job where her religious beliefs do not conflict with her duties. Put her in traffic control.

That would normally work, but IIRC, she's an elected official for that specific position. I don't know that the state can shuffle her around.

[boutons_deux]

did somebody say FatBastard?

FatBastard's head of NY NY Port Authority Samson was implicated in the bridge closing, and now he's implicated in getting United to add a money-losing flight to SC at his request where he has a summer house. In return, United got some infrastructure improvements, "allegedly". Feds are on it. 3 top United corruptibles resigned today.

[SnakeBoy]

Nobody wanted her locked up. Teh gheys wanted to be able to get marriage licenses in her office. Now they are getting them.

They won.

She didn't want her name on the licenses. Now they just say Office of the County Clerk. So she won too.

Now, according to her lawyer, they want the licenses to not even say Office of the County Clerk since that's her...at the moment. Don't see a way she will be able to claim any sort of victory on that one.

[ChumpDumper]

She didn't want her name on the licenses. Now they just say Office of the County Clerk. So she won too.Meaningless symbolism. Didn't stop any gheys from marrying, which is what she really wanted.


Now, according to her lawyer, they want the licenses to not even say Office of the County Clerk since that's her...at the moment. Don't see a way she will be able to claim any sort of victory on that one.Yeah, it's getting stupid now -- trying to claim none of the licenses were valid because she didn't sign them, etc. If she orders her deputies to stop again, I'm fine with her being thrown into the clink again. She needs some time to negotiate her book deal anyway.

[Trill Clinton]

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[SnakeBoy]

Meaningless symbolism. Didn't stop any gheys from marrying, which is what she really wanted.


That was never the request of her lawyers. It's more likely what she really wanted was to make money off of the stunt given her questionable background as a person of faith. She going to get money too...another win for her.


Yeah, it's getting stupid now -- trying to claim none of the licenses were valid because she didn't sign them, etc. If she orders her deputies to stop again, I'm fine with her being thrown into the clink again. She needs some time to negotiate her book deal anyway.

Asking not to have to sign her name was a reasonable request. There's no reason a specific person should have to sign off on a civil marriage. If she interferes now she deserves jail time. I suspect she will though just to drum up the controversy and make money off of it.

[Blake]

That was never the request of her lawyers. It's more likely what she really wanted was to make money off of the stunt given her questionable background as a person of faith. She going to get money too...another win for her.


Making money off of her loss isn't a win against gay marriage

[Quetzal-X]

Its the new get rich quick scheme.

[boutons_deux]

photo of Huckabee with Davis about an hour ago.....she was released.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_huckabee_2_kab_150908_16x9_608.jpg

Lol wut the fuck is up with det farmer

that's her 4th husband, in his Sunday-go-to-meetin best.

[Quetzal-X]

wtf is hillary doin there

[Quetzal-X]

that nigga looks like that guy from that gun fellator show that allegedly molested a kid .

Not surprised tbh

[SnakeBoy]

that's her 4th husband, in his Sunday-go-to-meetin best.

No it's her 2nd husband who she married twice. The lives of trailer trash are confusing but get your facts straight Boo.

[ChumpDumper]

That was never the request of her lawyers.It was her wish. Loss.
It's more likely what she really wanted was to make money off of the stunt given her questionable background as a person of faith. She going to get money too...another win for her.No doubt that is a win, but gheys are marrying there. Lost the war.




Asking not to have to sign her name was a reasonable request.She never requested that.
There's no reason a specific person should have to sign off on a civil marriage.Her claim is that her signature is specifically necessary for any marriage in the county to be valid.
If she interferes now she deserves jail time. I suspect she will though just to drum up the controversy and make money off of it.I have no doubt she will.

[SnakeBoy]

She never requested that.

That was her lawyers claim when this all started...that she just wanted a simple administrative fix so her name would not be on the license.


Mat Staver, head of the Liberty Counsel told ABC News that Davis “has a very strong conscience and she’s just asking for a simple remedy, and that is, remove her name from the certificate and all will be well.”
“That simple remedy has simply been ignored by the court and by the governor and that’s what should have been done,” Staver said. “I think it’s reprehensible that she’s in jail for this when a simple fix could have been easily handled.”



They're moving the goalpost now for publicity.

[ChumpDumper]

That was her lawyers claim when this all started...that she just wanted a simple administrative fix so her name would not be on the license.



They're moving the goalpost now for publicity.The easiest way to remove her name from the certificates is for her to resign.

[SnakeBoy]

The easiest way to remove her name from the certificates is for her to resign.

They've already removed her name from the licenses.

[Winehole23]

They've already removed her name from the licenses.Since her name is no longer attached to the licenses, what's the problem? She hasn't signed anything. Her dutiful subs will do it for her.

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The Kim Davis Debacle Reveals a Frightening Truth About a Desperate, Radicalized Christian Right

Rena Lindevaldsen, who works for the Liberty Counsel that is handling Davis’s case, has taken to boldly arguing that

Christians have the right to overthrow the democratically elected government and simply impose their will by fiat. “Whether it's zoning or taxes or marriage or abortion, in those issues, government doesn't have authority to say that these things are appropriate because they're contrary to Scripture,”

Lindevaldsen recently argued (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/liberty-law-school-dean-government-doesnt-have-authority-impose-unbiblical-laws) in front of Liberty University.

Which is to say that even though the government has declared abortion legal, if you decide you don’t want your neighbors getting abortions, you should be able to declare yourself a God-appointed authority and simply shut it down. If you don’t want to pay taxes, declare yourself a “sovereign citizen.”

Mike Huckabee has been at the frontlines of pushing the claim that Christian conservatives simply have the right to ignore or overturn democracy to impose their will, and not just because he’s been running around Kentucky, trying to get himself on camera as much as possible in support of Davis’s attempt to ban gay marriage by fiat. He’s also been using the campaign trail to argue that the president should be able to simply end rule of law and start ruling like a dictator.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/kim-davis-debacle-reveals-frightening-truth-about-desperate-radicalized

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Conservatives Freak Out After Fox News’ Shep Smith Mocks Kim Davis’ Hypocrisy

Smith's comments prompted an angry backlash from the right, with the Right Scoop calling him a 'puke.'

“They set this up as a religious play again,” he said. “This is the same crowd that says, ‘We don’t want Sharia law, don’t let them tell us what to do, keep their religion out of our lives and out of our government,’” Smith said,

“This is not unprecedented. They did it when they said black and white people couldn’t marry,” he said, concluding that “haters are gonna hate.”

This prompted an angry backlash from the right. The Right Scoop (http://therightscoop.com/shep-smith-goes-on-anti-christian-rant-during-kim-davis-rally-says-haters-gonna-hate/) called Smith a “puke:”

“What a puke. Christians simply want for the government to stay out of our Christian beliefs instead of imprisoning us when our beliefs go against the invented rights of a lawless Supreme Court. And then he calls us hypocrites for not wanting Muslim theocracy in our country, suggesting we want to push our Christian values on the government? Does he know anything about how this country was founded? Has he ever read the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence? What an idiot.”

Writing for GOPUSA (http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2015/09/09/fox-news-shepherd-smith-calls-christians-haters/), Cliff Kincaid called Smith’s comments evidence of “anti-Christian bias that has been rearing its ugly head” on Fox News.

He was surprised to see Fox “break its promise to air ‘fair and balanced’ coverage of the issue by permitting Smith to take such a crude stand against Davis,” and said Smith doesn’t know the difference between Christianity and Islam.

http://www.alternet.org/media/conservatives-freak-out-after-fox-news-shep-smith-mocks-kim-davis-hypocrisy

So for you rightwingnuts, Christian Taliban Sharia is OK, but Muslim Taliban Sharia isn't. :lol America! Americans! :lol

[boutons_deux]

another stupid fuckoff Repug Klown

Last night on Fox News’ “The Kelly File (http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2015/09/08/family-research-council-defends-kim-davis-carson-fires-back-at-trump/),” Ben Carson defended (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdYYn2h7J1w&feature=youtu.be) Rowan County, Kentucky, clerk Kim Davis’ decision to prevent her office from issuing marriage licenses because she has religious objections to gay marriage.

Ironically, Carson said that gays are trying to force their “way of life” on Davis: “I don’t actually believe that they have the right to force their way of life upon everybody else, nor would I want to force my way of life upon everybody else.”

Of course, it is actually Davis who is using a public office to impose her religious views on others, and gay couples are only asking that she follow the law.

When host Megyn Kelly asked Carson if he believes that a Muslim county clerk should have a right to “refuse a marriage license to Muslims who want to marry Christians,”

the GOP presidential candidate said (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdYYn2h7J1w&feature=youtu.be) that

Christians can cite their religious beliefs to refuse marriage licenses because “this is a Judeo-Christian nation in the sense that a lot of our values and principles are based on our Judeo-Christian faith.”

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ben-carson-christians-can-refuse-do-their-jobs-because-judeo-christian-nation

If you're a Christian or Jew, you can refuse to do your job.

If you're a Muslim, Hindu, atheist, etc, you can't refuse.

So the 1st Amendment, for these rightwing assholes, says you can freely practice ONLY Christian, Jewish religions, but not other beliefs (aka, "religious persecution")

[SnakeBoy]

Since her name is no longer attached to the licenses, what's the problem? She hasn't signed anything. Her dutiful subs will do it for her.

Already discussed.

[boutons_deux]

Oregon Judge Vance Day is currently being investigated for refusing to perform same sex marriages. But according to an ethics commission, that's not all he's done wrong. Among other infractions, the ethics commission alleges that the judge had a framed picture of Hitler in his courthouse.The New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ore-judge-hung-hitler-portrait-courthouse-bullied-vets-article-1.2353159?) reports:


Court assistants alleged that the judge put up a picture of Nazi leader Adolf Hitler without consulting anyone else of staff, and refused to take it down when other employees said it made them uncomfortable.

"When his judicial assistant removed the items while Judge Day was on vacation, Judge Day told her that he is a ‘benevolent dictator’ and that she 'works at his pleasure,'" court documents...read. It is not clear if "benevolent dictator" referred to Hitler or himself

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/09/1419764/-Judge-with-framed-picture-of-Hitler-in-chambers-won-t-perform-same-sex-marriages?detail=email

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Watch: Insane Video Presented by Kim Davis' Law Group at Extremist Christian Campus


The lawyers representing Kim Davis, the Rowan County, Kentucky clerk refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, have made their own headlines of late. Attorney Mathew Staver, for one, likened marriage licenses for gays and lesbians to granting (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/staver-requiring-kim-davis-do-her-job-forcing-her-grant-license-sodomize-children) "a license to sodomize children or something of that nature."

Staver is founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, a law group that describes itself as devoted to (http://www.lc.org/index.cfm?pid=14096) "advancing religious freedom, the sanctity of life, and the family."

In addition to defending government employees who refuse to follow the law, they also organize an annual conference called the "The Awakening," described as "a unique and inspirational God and Country event."

Here is a video aired at one such event at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, that perfectly encapsulates the Christian-persecution complex.

"We laugh now but they'll come after us.

They'll come after our children.

They'll close the net around us while we are playing soccer mom and soccer dad...while we're arguing over so many little things..."

a narrator ominously intones, before rolling footage of terrifying threats to the Christian way of life, such as President Obama and trans people.

Watch below to witness the hell-on-earth awaiting America's Christian soccer moms and dads.

http://www.alternet.org/watch-insane-video-presented-kim-davis-law-group-extremist-christian-campus?akid=13462.187590.QRTR_J&rd=1&src=newsletter1042191&t=4

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[boutons_deux]

NC county scrambles to provide marriage services after all magistrates refuse to perform same-sex weddings

All four magistrates in North Carolina’s McDowell County have been barred from performing any marriages for six months after they used the state’s religious exemption law to opt out of performing same-sex weddings.
Chief District Judge Randy Pool confirmed to WLOS (http://www.wlos.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/McDowell-County-Magistrates-Refusing-to-Perform-Same-Sex-Marriages-202632.shtml#.VfGZEJf-UqN) on Thursday that Hilary Hollified, Thomas Atkinson, Debbie Terrell and Chad Johnson had all taken advantage of the religious exemption law, leaving the county scrambling to find temporary magistrates.

One Rutherford County magistrate told WLOS that he had been driving to McDowell County three times a week trying to cover the needs of both counties.

“Every single one has said they will opt out and won’t do the marriages,” Judge Pool explained. “They have arranged for Rutherford County magistrates to devote ten hours to performing marriages here.”

“They are following the law and cannot perform marriages of any kind for six months,” Pool added. “Just as long as we do ten hours a week which is what the law requires.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/nc-county-scrambles-to-provide-marriage-services-after-all-magistrates-refuse-to-perform-same-sex-weddings/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

http://images.dailykos.com/images/163744/large/Slide1.jpg?1441933398

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Dear Kim, I Got Married While You Were in Jail (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/10/1420193/-Dear-Kim-I-Got-Married-While-You-Were-in-Jail)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/163699/large/Capture.JPG?1441916495

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/10/1420193/-Dear-Kim-I-Got-Married-While-You-Were-in-Jail?detail=email

[JoeChalupa]

Kim...that name reminds me of another boob.

[CosmicCowboy]

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[RandomGuy]

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Don't see nuthin'.

[The Reckoning]

republican party becoming a sideshow.

[boutons_deux]

republican party becoming a sideshow.

is a carnival.

[boutons_deux]

Homophobic People Often Have Psychological Issues

people who have strongly negative views of gay people also have higher levels of psychoticism and inappropriate coping mechanisms than those who are accepting of homosexuality.

This doesn't mean that homophobic people are psychotic; rather, psychoticism is a personality trait (http://www.livescience.com/41313-personality-traits.html) marked by hostility, anger and aggression toward others.

But the studyhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.livescience.com/52146-homophobia-personality-traits.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Livesciencecom+%28LiveScience .com+Science+Headline+Feed%29#) does suggest that people who cling to homophobic views have some psychological issues

some studies suggesting that people with visceral negative reactions to gays and lesbians often harbor same-sex desires themselves (http://www.livescience.com/19563-homophobia-hidden-homosexuals.html).

Other studies, though, contest that idea (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092656606000080), and suggest that homophobic people are truly averse to same-sex attraction.

Other factors — such as religiosity, sensitivity to disgust, hypermasculinity and misogyny — seem to play a role in anti-gay beliefs,

Overall, the better the mental health of the person (based on the responses to the questionnaire), the less likely he or she was to be homophobic,

High levels of hostility and anger, measured as psychoticism, were also linked to homophobia

findings position homophobia as a trait more often seen in dysfunctional personalities, but personality isn't the whole story. Homophobia is a "culture-induced disease,"

They're also studying how the fear of not being "man enough" might influence homophobic attitudes.

http://www.livescience.com/52146-homophobia-personality-traits.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Livesciencecom+%28LiveScience .com+Science+Headline+Feed%29

" being "man enough" " ?

Our very own TSA is the resident expert on manliness, certainly fellating guns, esp big black ones, and killing stuff is TSA's basis of manliness.

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Kim Davis’ lawyer who compared her to Rosa Parks and MLK now compares her to Abraham Lincoln

Mat Staver — a lawyer from theocratic law firm The Liberty Counsel — said on Sunday that his client, Kentucky County Clerk Kim Davis, is like President Abraham Lincoln because of her stand against marriage equality for all Americans.
Staver made the remarks in an appearance on C-SPAN after which a caller said that Davis should do her job or step down.
“Well, she is doing her job quite well,” Staver said. “By the end of this year, she will have saved the taxpayers in Rowan County $1.5 million in her first year as the elected official since 2014, so that’s quite substantial, to be able to do that.”

“Secondly,” he went on, “if we told Abraham Lincoln, ‘Abraham Lincoln, you should just go along with the Dred Scott decision. After all, it is what the racist Chief Justice Taney wrote and it’s the law of the land.’ And yet, Lincoln advocated something different than that and unfortunately because of that Dred Scott decision we had to fight a Civil War. It was a terrible time in our history.”

In the U.S. Supreme Court case Dred Scott v. Sanford, the court ruled that blacks could not be U.S. citizens, whether slaves or free. As such, they could not sue U.S. citizens in federal court in order to obtain their freedom.
The case is held by many to be an embarrassing error by the highest court in the land, with some historians calling it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford) “unquestionably, our court’s worst decision ever.”

Staver and other Davis supporters assert that the Supreme Court’s decision legalizing same-sex marriage on a national level in June is similarly misguided.

Dred Scott was overturned by the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the ratification of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, which says that any person born in the U.S. or its territories is automatically an American citizen.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/watch-kim-davis-lawyer-who-compared-her-to-rosa-parks-and-mlk-now-compares-her-to-abraham-lincoln/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

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Liberty Counsel is a non-profit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit) law firm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_firm) and ministry that provides free legal assistance in defense of "Christian religious liberty, the sanctity of human life, and the traditional family."[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Counsel#cite_note-tribune-1) Liberty Counsel is headed by attorney Mathew D. Staver (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathew_D._Staver), who founded the legal ministry with his wife, Anita, in 1989 and currently serves as president. A close partnership exists between Liberty University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_University), which was founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell), and Liberty Counsel; Staver served as Liberty University's law school dean from 2006 to 2014.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Counsel#cite_note-tribune-1) In 2004, Liberty Counsel became affiliated with Liberty University/Falwell Ministries and Liberty Counsel opened an office at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia.

Liberty Counsel describes its practice as a First Amendment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) practice, focused on religious liberties, freedom of speech, church/state issues in public schools and in the public square. Liberty Counsel has been listed as a hate group by theSouthern Poverty Law Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center) (SPLC).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Counsel

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Christian (Catholic) Taliban news

CNN Host Hits Santorum On Kim Davis: Americans 'Follow The Law'

“Number one, because the Supreme Court says something, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the law of the land,” Santorum said to Camerota.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-santorum-kim-davis-cnn?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

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Religious "health care", getting the healthcare their bishops, pastors dictate, not medical best practice

Do ‘deeply held’ religious beliefs force doctors to commit malpractice?

Picture this: You wake up far too early one morning because your hand is intensely painful and you don’t know why. When the pain gets worse, you go to the ER. The attending doctor, a gray haired man, examines you, draws blood, and then tells you an unusual flesh eating infection in your finger is putting your health at risk. He recommends amputating the hand immediately before the infection causes more harm. What he doesn’t tell you is that at this early stage the simple injection of a state-of-the art antibiotic would solve the problem. Why the omission? His hospital is managed by a self-described religious healthcare ministry (http://www.peacehealth.org/careers/leadership-model/Pages/catholic-health-care.aspx) that forbids the use of antibiotics.

Across the U.S., religious healthcare corporations are absorbing (http://www.mergerwatch.org/) once secular and independent hospitals and in the process imposing religious restrictions (http://truth-out.org/news/item/16391-will-the-catholic-bishops-decide-how-you-die-or-whether-you-live) that sometimes pit standard medical practice against theology.

To the best of my knowledge, no religious system that is licensed to serve the general public forbids the use of antibiotics. But facilities under the direct or indirect control of Catholic bishops are providing maternity care that is tantamount to unwarranted amputation.

Catholic Directives Delay Care, Compel Unnecessary Surgery

Recently a woman was traveling across the Midwest when she developed abdominal pain. She and her husband went to the nearest hospital, where she was diagnosed with a potentially fatal ectopic pregnancy. The doctors recommended immediate surgery to remove the fallopian tube containing the misplaced embryo, a procedure that would reduce by half her future chances of conceiving a child. They failed to mention that a simple injection (http://www.uptodate.com/contents/methotrexate-treatment-of-tubal-and-interstitial-ectopic-pregnancy) of Methotrexate could solve the problem, leaving her fertility intact. (In fact, at a secular hospital she found on her smart phone, it subsequently did.) Why the omission?

The Catholic hospital where she got diagnosed was subject to the “Ethical and Religious Directives (http://www.usccb.org/about/doctrine/ethical-and-religious-directives/)” of the Catholic bishops, which state, “In case of extrauterine pregnancy, no intervention is morally licit which constitutes a direct abortion.”

According to Catholic moralists, an injection that destroys an ectopic embryo is a direct abortion, while removing the part of a woman’s reproductive system containing the embryo is not. While this may sound strange (or abhorrent) to outsiders, it has its own internal logic, outlined (http://www.ncbcenter.org/Page.aspx?pid=940) by Father Tad Pacholczyk at the National Catholic Bioethics Center. Catholic ethics ultimately are determined by theologically based perceptions of what actions God approves and doesn’t approve. While compassion does matter, the end goal is to improve the spiritual standing or righteousness of the person performing the action. These theological dictates may or may not align with the questions that govern secular medical ethics and practice: how to minimize harm and suffering or maximize wellbeing while respecting patient autonomy.

In 2010, a pregnant Nicaraguan woman (http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2010/02/20/pregnant-nicaraguan-woman-denied-treatment-metastatic-cancer/) with metastatic cancer was denied treatment because chemotherapy could harm her fetus, which doctors refused to remove. Though many Protestants disagree, Catholic theology treats any product of conception as a fully formed human being, with rights equal to a woman from the moment of conception whether or not there is any possibility of it actually becoming a person (http://awaypoint.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/what-is-a-person/). This means that abortion is an inherently bad action, regardless of outcomes. Nicaraguan law, rooted in this theology, prohibits all abortion even when a woman’s life is at stake. In 2012, a 16-year-old Dominican girl also was denied treatment (http://www.alternet.org/gender/16-year-old-girl-dies-cancer-after-being-refused-treatment-3-weeks-due-pregnancy) for weeks while doctors debated whether chemotherapy would constitute an abortion. She eventually miscarried and later died.

Christianity traditionally has regarded women as vessels (http://truth-out.org/news/item/6830:why-patriarchal-men-are-utterly-petrified-of-birth-control--and-why-well-still-be-fighting-about-it-100-years-from-now)—vessels for evil and for babies. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety (1 Timothy 2: 13-15). As a consequence, Catholic rules addressing reproduction are particularly convoluted, and sometimes patients pay the price:

A Catholic doctor at a Catholic hospital went against my daughter’s wishes and signed consent to have a hysterectomy because of severe endometriosis. One ovary had already exploded. My daughter had never intended or desired children nor was she in a suitable situation to have a child. She was single, in her late 20s. When she awoke from surgery she learned that the doctor had over-ridden her wishes and consent in an attempt to save her fertility. The operation was botched, leaving my daughter on permanent disability, in pain, with even more health problems than she’d had before. – Comment at Truthout (http://truth-out.org/news/item/16391-will-the-catholic-bishops-decide-how-you-die-or-whether-you-live)


Religious Directives and Malpractice Law

Secular medical ethics (http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/physician-resources/medical-ethics.page) evolved to promote patient welfare and autonomy. As better treatment options become available, providers are expected to keep their skills and knowledge up to date so that they can provide accurate information about the range of options and offer the services most likely to create the best health outcomes for patients. Violation of these norms is considered malpractice.

Medical malpractice can be defined (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Medical+Malpractice) as: “Improper, unskilled, or negligent treatment of a patient by a physician, dentist, nurse, pharmacist, or other healthcare professional.” Whether or not a healthcare provider has provided excellent or unacceptable care depends on the general state of healthcare at the time service is provided.

The critical element is standard of care, which is concerned with the type of medical care that a physician is expected to provide. Until the 1960s the standard of care was traditionally regarded as the customary or usual practice of members of the profession. This standard was referred to as the “locality rule,” because it recognized the custom within a particular geographic area. This rule was criticized for its potential to protect a low standard of care as long as the local medical community embraced it. The locality rule also was seen as a disincentive for the medical community to adopt better practices.

Most states have modified the locality rule to include both an evaluation of the customary practices of local physicians and an examination of national medical standards. Physicians are called to testify as expert witnesses by both sides in medical malpractice trials because the jury is not familiar with the intricacies of medicine. Standards established by medical specialty organizations, such as the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, are often used by these expert witnesses to address the alleged negligent actions of a physician who practices in that specialty. Nonconformance to these standards is evidence of negligence, whereas conformance supports a finding of due care. –Legal Dictionary (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Medical+Malpractice)


The recent case of a young Salvadorian mother named Beatriz offered a graphic example of how religious interference in medical care can force doctor to commit malpractice. Beatriz, who suffers from lupus, was pregnant with a nonviable anencephalic fetus yet was refused an abortion clear through the second trimester, as her condition became increasingly risky. Salvadorian minister of health, Maria Isabel Rodriguez, called her situation (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/world/americas/pregnant-sick-and-pressing-salvadoran-abortion-law.html?pagewanted=all) a “grave maternal illness with a high probability of deterioration or maternal death.”

“I just want to live,” Beatriz told the press (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/world/americas/pregnant-sick-and-pressing-salvadoran-abortion-law.html?_r=0)—echoing the sentiments of Savita Halappanavar who died last year after being denied an abortion (http://awaypoint.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/the-difference-between-a-dying-fetus-and-a-dying-woman/) in Catholic Ireland. Salvadorian doctors were willing to perform the needed abortion, but their hands were tied by laws based in Catholic theology. Finally, at 26 weeks gestation and under international pressure, a Salvadorian court ruled that Beatriz could end the pregnancy—via caesarean section (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/06/04/uk-elsalvador-abortion-idUKBRE95302K20130604). As in the case of the ectopic pregnancy, Beatriz was offered an invasive surgical procedure rather than the standard treatment (http://aftertillermovie.com/) which would minimize recovery time and leave her body intact. As best can be determined from news reports, the only reason the doctors had to cut her was to satisfy the Catholic pretense that this was an attempt to deliver a viable baby.

In the wake of Halappanavar’s death and Beatriz’s dangerously substandard care, Marge Berer, founder of the international journal, Reproductive Health Matters (http://www.rhmjournal.org.uk/), questioned the ability of Catholic-controlled facilities to provide emergency obstetric services and asked (http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2013/06/01/its-time-to-strip-catholic-hospitals-of-their-right-to-provide-maternity-care/) whether they should be formally stripped of their right to provide maternity care more broadly. Unfortunately, with Catholic theology encoded as law in many countries and with Catholic healthcare ministries buying up (http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/biblical-medicine-how-religious-corporations-are-gobbling-healthcare-facilities) independent care facilities here in the U.S., a woman may have few other options.

If all currently proposed mergers are completed in Washington State, for example, nine counties will have all hospital beds tied to religious institutions (http://www.aclu-wa.org/myhealthcare) by the end of 2013, including the University of Washington system (http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021024295_uwpeacehealthxml.html).

When bishop directives trump science and patient preference, pregnant women are not the only ones at risk.

According to a litany of articles at two watchdog sites,CatholicWatch.org (http://catholicwatch.org/) and Mergerwatch.org (http://www.mergerwatch.org/),the problem of religious interference in health decisions extends far beyond obstetrics and family planning, spanning end of life care, treatment of queer families, and any drugs remotely derived from embryonic stem cell research.

As medical science offers us more and more ability to manage sexuality, reproduction, body modification, and our dying process, religious dictates will be increasingly at odds with secular standards of care. Doctors working under these mandates will be forced to offer treatments that, by contrast with the best available, can be classed only as malpractice—a pattern that both patients and personal injury attorneys are bound eventually to notice.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/do-deeply-held-religious-beliefs-force-doctors-to-commit-malpractice/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Fuck Religions and their pretense, hubris that they know the will of (an imagined) God. Fucking witch doctors.

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Larry Pratt: Arrest Judge Who Found Kim Davis In Contempt -

Gun Owners of America’s Larry Pratt called last week for the arrest of Judge David Bunning, the Bush-nominated federal judge who held Kentucky clerk Kim Davis in contempt after she repeatedly defied court orders to let her office issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. -

Pratt told Sam Bushman of the far-right “Liberty Roundtable (http://lnrlive.com/lrt/lrt20150909a.mp3)” radio program on Wednesday, “This district court judge merely withdrew his horns, they haven’t been cut off. And we’re not finished until we can cut that district judge Bunning’s horns off.”

“In fact, he’s the one who should be put in jail for violating his oath of office,” Bushman said.

“Thank you!” Pratt responded.

“It’s an assault on the Constitution,” Pratt added of Bunning’s decision to detain Davis for five days, “it’s something that Joseph Stalin could only have dreamed about, and here we’re doing it to ourselves.

It’s really incredible. We have lawyers like this Judge Bunning that are so ignorant of this American republican system that they don’t seem to know their left hand from their right.”

Bushman added that Bunning didn't “get to execute Kim” only “because we all came to her defense.”

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/larry-pratt-arrest-judge-who-found-kim-davis-contempt

Down the gun fellators' rabbit hole into fantasy land.

[CosmicCowboy]

Larry Pratt: Arrest Judge Who Found Kim Davis In Contempt -

Gun Owners of America’s Larry Pratt called last week for the arrest of Judge David Bunning, the Bush-nominated federal judge who held Kentucky clerk Kim Davis in contempt after she repeatedly defied court orders to let her office issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. -

Pratt told Sam Bushman of the far-right “Liberty Roundtable (http://lnrlive.com/lrt/lrt20150909a.mp3)” radio program on Wednesday, “This district court judge merely withdrew his horns, they haven’t been cut off. And we’re not finished until we can cut that district judge Bunning’s horns off.”

“In fact, he’s the one who should be put in jail for violating his oath of office,” Bushman said.

“Thank you!” Pratt responded.

“It’s an assault on the Constitution,” Pratt added of Bunning’s decision to detain Davis for five days, “it’s something that Joseph Stalin could only have dreamed about, and here we’re doing it to ourselves.

It’s really incredible. We have lawyers like this Judge Bunning that are so ignorant of this American republican system that they don’t seem to know their left hand from their right.”

Bushman added that Bunning didn't “get to execute Kim” only “because we all came to her defense.”

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/larry-pratt-arrest-judge-who-found-kim-davis-contempt

Down the gun fellators' rabbit hole into fantasy land.




Just the right wing equivalent of Boutons.

Both fucking moonbats.

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Both fucking moonbats.

take my bitch slappings like a man, for once

[CosmicCowboy]

take my bitch slappings like a man, for once

Correction.

Boo is crazier.

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Anybody hear whether this country bumpkin had to pay the costs of her imprisonment, court charges, etc, etc? or does that screw job only apply to KY blacks?

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17 Biblical Rules for Marriage Kim Davis Should Really Take a Look At

Some people believe that Kentucky—or even all of America—should be subject to biblical law rather than constitutional law. They believe public servants like celebrity clerk Kim Davis owe their highest allegiance to the Bible, which means they shouldn’t be forced to give out unbiblical marriage licenses—like to gay couples. The issue is contested by a host of liberals, secularists, Satanists and moderate Christians. But assuming that Bible believers and religious freedom advocates carry the day, public servants will need to know their Good Book. The following 15-item quiz can be used to screen applicants for county clerk positions or as a guide for those already on the job.

If Kentucky issues only biblical marriage licenses, to which of the following couples should a county clerk grant a license?

1. A man with a consenting woman, but without her father’s permission.No. Numbers 30:1-16 (http://biblehub.com/context/numbers/30-1.htm) [3] teaches that a single woman’s father has final authority over legal contracts she may enter.

2. A man, a nonconsenting woman, and her father. Yes. According to the Law of Moses a female (http://valerietarico.com/2015/03/24/children-as-chattel-what-religious-child-abuse-and-the-pro-life-movement-have-in-common/) [4] is male property, as are slaves, livestock and children. (See Exodus 20:17 (http://biblehub.com/exodus/20-17.htm) [5], Exodus 21:7 (http://biblehub.com/exodus/21-7.htm) [6].) Her father can give her in marriage or sell her to a slave master. Female consent in the Bible is not a prerequisite (http://valerietarico.com/2014/12/16/its-not-rape-if-hes-a-god/) [7] for marriage or sex.

3. A married man and three other women. Yes. The Old Testament endorses polygamy, and the New Testament does not reverse this—except for church elders (1 Timothy 3:2 (http://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-2.htm) [8]). (See Biblicalpolygamy.com (http://www.biblicalpolygamy.com/)[9])

4. A childless widow and her husband’s reluctant brother. Yes. Genesis 38:8-10 (http://biblehub.com/context/genesis/38-8.htm) [10] makes it clear that a man has a responsibility to seed children for his deceased brother. In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus doesn’t alter the tradition but does say it will no longer apply in heaven. (Matthew 22:24-28 (http://biblehub.com/context/matthew/22-24.htm) [11])

5. Two men. No. Leviticus is clear. Two men having sex is an abomination, just like eating shellfish, getting tattoos, shaving your beard, or wearing blend fabrics. (Leviticus 18:22 (http://biblehub.com/leviticus/18-22.htm) [12], 20:13 (http://biblehub.com/leviticus/20-13.htm) [13], 11:9-12 (http://biblehub.com/context/leviticus/11-9.htm) [14], 19:28 (http://biblehub.com/leviticus/19-28.htm)[15], 19:27 (http://biblehub.com/leviticus/19-27.htm) [16])

6. Two women. No, not even with their fathers’ permission. Paul’s epistle to the Romans (1:26 (http://biblehub.com/romans/1-26.htm) [17]) makes it clear that this is degrading and unnatural.

7. A Christian and a Hindu.No. The Apostle Paul calls this being unequally yoked (2 Corinthians 6:14 (http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/6-14.htm) [18]). If the applicants balk at your refusal, you might respond gently with Paul’s own words: “What fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion has light with darkness?”

8. A soldier and a virgin prisoner of war. Yes, but you should provide written instructions on the purification ritual required before bedding her. The soldier must shave her head and trim her nails and give her a month to mourn her parents before the first sex act. Also, remind him that if she fails to "delight," he must set her free rather than selling her. (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 (http://biblehub.com/context/deuteronomy/21-10.htm) [19])

9. A rapist and his victim. Yes, with qualifiers. The woman’s consent is not an issue, but her father should be present as he is owed 50 shekels (approximately $580) for the damage to his daughter. Also, the contract should have an addendum stating clearly that no divorce will be allowed. The rapist must keep her for life since, obviously, no one else will want the damaged goods. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (http://biblehub.com/context/deuteronomy/22-28.htm) [20])

10. A man and his wife’s indentured/undocumented servant. Yes, although you might remind the man that in this case a marriage license is not a prerequisite for sex, since community property laws apply. However, should God bless this union with babies, any offspring will belong to the man and his wife, not the indentured woman. (Genesis 30:1-22 (http://biblehub.com/context/genesis/30-1.htm) [21])

11. A man and his mother, sister, half-sister, mother-in-law, grandchild, or uncle’s wife. Probably not. Although God’s law is timeless and unchanging, He does seem to shift on this one. In the book of Genesis, God rewards marriages between siblings—for example, the patriarch Abraham and his half-sister Sarah. But later texts specifically prohibit a variety of incestuous relationships (e.g. Lev. 18:7-8; Lev. 18:10; Lev. 20:11; Deut. 22:30; Deut. 27:20; Deut. 27:23).

12. A black woman and a white man, or vice versa. Absolutely not. Scripture is full of verses prohibiting interracial marriage (Gen. 28:6; Exod. 34:15-16; Num. 25:6-11; Deut. 7:1-3; Josh. 23:12-13; Judges 3:5-8; 1 Kings 11:1-2; Ezra 9:1-2, 12; Ezra 10:2-3, 10-11; Neh. 10:30; Neh. 13:25-27).

13. A gentile and a Jew.No. If the Jew should appeal to the Anti-Defamation League, remind them of how dangerous such a union could be: “Thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.” (Deuteronomy 7:3-4 (http://biblehub.com/context/deuteronomy/7-3.htm) [22])

14. A man and a pregnant woman who claims to be a virgin.Yes. You may feel personal misgivings about a marriage that is based in deception from the get-go, but judge not that ye be not judged. One in 200 (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/americas-virgin-births-one-in-200-mothers-became-pregnant-without-having-sex-9012360.html) [23] American women who give birth say they have never had sex. Rather than plaguing this young couple with your corrosive doubt, you can encourage them with the biblical virgin birth story (http://valerietarico.com/2014/12/09/the-not-so-virgin-birth-of-the-christmas-story/) [24], while taking care to avoid any sex-negative implications (http://valerietarico.com/2014/12/14/the-slut-shaming-sex-negative-message-in-the-christmas-story-its-worth-a-family-conversation/) [25] that might harm their marriage.

15. A man and a goat. Don’t be ridiculous. Can a goat sign a marriage license?

16. A man and a sex-trafficked teen he bought from a gangster. Yes, but not until Kentucky legalizes sex trafficking. Sexual slavery is quite common in the Bible, well regulated (Exodus 28:8), and frequently sanctioned or blessed by God. However, the New Testament teaches that we should pay our taxes (http://biblehub.com/mark/12-17.htm) [26] and be law-abiding, even under a secular/pagan government. (Titus 3:1 (http://biblehub.com/titus/3-1.htm) [27]; 1 Peter 2:13-17 (http://biblehub.com/context/1_peter/2-13.htm) [28])

17. Two zombies. Only if they are not Christians. Jesus states clearly that there will be no marriage for Christians in the afterlife (Matthew 22:24-28 (http://biblehub.com/context/matthew/22-24.htm) [11]). Otherwise, marriage between the undead is not addressed in the Bible, and you should default to whatever the Supreme Court may have ruled on this matter.
Note: Some liberal Christian license seekers may complain to you or your supervisor that these guidelines come mostly from the Old Testament, which has been replaced by a New Covenant under Jesus. Ask them if the Old Testament is still part of their Bible. Remind them that the Ten Commandments are in the Old Testament—all three versions (http://valerietarico.com/2014/06/19/ten-commandments-that-would-have-changed-the-world/) [29]. Lastly, quote the words of Jesus:

Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5: 17-19 (http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-18.htm) [30]).


Stand firm. If the Bible is the perfect Word of the living God, your detractors are up against the Almighty himself. And, as the spiritual warfare hymn (http://www.jimmyandcarolowens.com/blogs/forliving/e/keep-looking-down/) [31] reminds us, the hordes of (liberal, gay, atheist, feminist) darkness cannot quench your light.

http://www.alternet.org/belief/17-biblical-rules-marriage-kim-davis-should-really-take-look

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Govt. workers have right to refuse gay marriage licenses: pope

Pope Francis said on Monday government officials have a "human right" to refuse to discharge a duty, such as issuing marriage licenses to homosexuals, if they feel it violates their conscience.

"Conscientious objection must enter into every juridical structure because it is a right," Francis said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/28/us-pope-usa-idUSKCN0RS13320150928?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

Franky is a "loveable" facade whom the Cardinals chose as PR move to cover for decades, centuries?, of pedophile priests, while dogma of the eternal church remains untouched.

[Quetzal-X]

Govt. workers have right to refuse gay marriage licenses: pope

Pope Francis said on Monday government officials have a "human right" to refuse to discharge a duty, such as issuing marriage licenses to homosexuals, if they feel it violates their conscience.

"Conscientious objection must enter into every juridical structure because it is a right," Francis said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/28/us-pope-usa-idUSKCN0RS13320150928?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

Franky is a "loveable" facade whom the Cardinals chose as PR move to cover for decades, centuries?, of pedophile priests, while dogma of the eternal church remains untouched.




THATS RIGHT!!!

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THATS RIGHT!!!

Fuck Religion

[ducks]

davis was a democrat then once this started in the middle she went to the gop

[ducks]

Fuck Religion

the country was founded because of religion beliefs

[Quetzal-X]

The country was founded by fuckers that wouldnt and couldnt fix the problems in their own country because they were too pussy to fight for freedom in their own damn land.

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the country was founded because of religion beliefs

:lol

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do you rightwingnut mofos, you Christian Taliban EVER speak truthfully?

Kim Davis’ Attorneys Finally Admit This Isn’t A Picture Of A Massive Kim Davis Rally In Peru


http://cdn.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/28084630/Kim-Davis-Rally-VVS-Screenshot.jpg


http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/09/29/3706790/liberty-counsel-kim-davis-retraction/

[Blake]

the country was founded because of religion beliefs

Lol

[Winehole23]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/30/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-in-secret-meeting-with-pope-francis-report-says

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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/30/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-in-secret-meeting-with-pope-francis-report-says

Franky really fucked up there.

And of course, as "nice" as he appears as huggable CC front man, Church dogma remains untouched.

[Winehole23]

everybody loves a pope who loves everybody, until he loves someone we love to hate

[Winehole23]

in other news, the pope is still Catholic

[boutons_deux]

Pope Met with People Who Refuse to Do Jobs

VATICAN CITY — The Vatican has confirmed that while Pope Francis was in Washington, he had meetings with people who refuse to do their jobs.

The Pope met privately with the Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis, and also met at the U.S. Capitol with several hundred other people who have chosen not to perform their duties, the Vatican said.

“Reporting every day to a job that one has no intention of doing can only fill one with anguish,” the official Vatican statement read.

“The Pope wanted to show these people compassion.”

While in Washington, the Pope had hoped to meet with thousands of additional people who do not do their jobs, but there “wasn’t enough time,” the Vatican said.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/pope-met-with-people-who-refuse-to-do-jobs?mbid=nl_093015%20Borowitz%20Newsletter%20(1)&CNDID=&spMailingID=8115639&spUserID=MjczNzc0Njk0NDAS1&spJobID=763266811&spReportId=NzYzMjY2ODExS0

[boutons_deux]

10 Things Kim Davis Almost Definitely Said to Pope Francis

1. "I'm so honored to meet you, Pope Benedict!"

2. "I'm glad we agree marriage should only be between one man and one woman. Or one woman and three men. Four times."

3. "Not that I'm opposed to a fifth go-round if I meet the right guy." [Places hand on pope's thigh.]

4. "I can put in a good word with Sean Hannity if you ever want to go on Fox."

5. "What do you mean you've never heard of Mike Huckabee? He's like the pope, but for America."

6. "You're in America now. Speak English."

7. "I can never remember that part of the Bible where it says the gays did climate change. Do you know it off the top of your head?"

8. "You know what else we have in common? We both wear the same outfit every day."

9. "I'm about to cash in big time. Lecture circuit, reality TV, book deal, the whole enchilada. How much does this pope gig pay?"

10. "Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior?"

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/10-things-kim-davis-almost-definitely-said-to-pope-francis-20150930

[Winehole23]

http://i.imgur.com/GYITq7E.jpg

[Blake]

".....On Friday, Mississippi's House voted 80-39 to pass a bill protecting state officials, faith leaders, and religious organizations who act on their beliefs that marriage is between a man and a woman, that sex is only acceptable between husband and wife, and that gender is established at birth. The protections would include circuit clerks and judges, as well as employment decisions, such as firing an employee whose actions are considered out of line with a religious organization's views. The bill is now being held for further debate before going to the state Senate.*

Similar legislation passed in the Georgia Senate on Friday, despite businesses' concern that it could hurt the tourist industry. Under the Georgia bill, however, government employees could not refuse to perform their jobs, such as signing marriage licenses. The bill will now go to the state House of Representatives.*

Many advocates defend the laws as necessary to legally protect people whose religious beliefs oppose gay marriage, while still upholding its legality.*

"We are not picking sides," said state Sen. Greg Kirk, a Republican. "This bill does not favor one viewpoint over others, which is exactly how government should act with regard to religious beliefs."*

Gay marriage supporters, however, say that what such legislation favors is discrimination.*

"We don’t allow people to discriminate against . . . interracial marriages, interfaith marriages, disparate-age marriages. We can’t start this precedent where there’s this one type of relationship that people can discriminate against without any fear of punishment," James Parrish, the executive director of Equality Virginia, an LGBT advocacy organization in Richmond, told the Washington Post........

http://news.yahoo.com/southern-states-now-challenging-gay-marriage-174812834.html

[Blake]

Smh Dixie land

[Trainwreck2100]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/kentucky-told-to-pay-attorney-fees-in-same-sex-marriage-case/ar-AAoyIKU?OCID=ansmsnnews11


FRANKFORT, Ky. — A federal judge has ordered Kentucky taxpayers to pay more than $220,000 in attorneys' fees for an elected county clerk who caused a national uproar by refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples in 2016.

:cry we're so oppressed now let's pass the buck and punish everyone cause we didn't want to go a town over :cry

[spurraider21]

That's what you get when you elect incompetent officials who violate the Constitution and SCOTUS

[boutons_deux]

That's what you get when you elect incompetent officials who violate the Constitution and SCOTUS

this so-called Christ-loving, hate-filled lady, Trash, etc are why the FF's feared and avoided democracy.

[Blake]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/kentucky-told-to-pay-attorney-fees-in-same-sex-marriage-case/ar-AAoyIKU?OCID=ansmsnnews11



:cry we're so oppressed now let's pass the buck and punish everyone cause we didn't want to go a town over :cry

:cry the gays are oppressing me because they don't like oppression :cry

[boutons_deux]

Kim Davis may be forced to pay $225,000 for denying marriage licenses to gay couples (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/1/31/1831176/-Kim-Davis-may-be-forced-to-pay-225-000-for-refusing-to-issue-marriage-licenses-to-gay-couples)

https://images.dailykos.com/images/610049/story_image/181106-kim-davis-loses-feature.jpg?1541822552


From the Lexington Herald-Leader: (https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article225247295.html)


Citing “conduct that violates civil rights,” lawyers for Gov. Matt Bevin say former Rowan County

Clerk Kim Davis should be held responsible for nearly $225,000 in legal fees (https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article162885388.html) and court costs

incurred by couples who sued her (https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article44608296.html) in 2015 when she refused to issue marriage licenses because of her religious opposition to same-sex marriage.

Although Bevin, a Republican, publicly has praised (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=257&v=dXjCq66Lp14) Davis as “an inspiration ... to the children of America,”

his attorneys are taking a more critical tone in court briefs, blaming the ex-clerk for failing to do her job

following the U.S. Supreme Court’s June 2015 decision (https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article44607084.html) legalizing gay marriage.

A three-judge panel will hear arguments about who should bear the case’s expenses Thursday at the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati.

A district judge ruled in 2017 that the couples suing for marriage licenses clearly prevailed and that the state of Kentucky must pay their fees and costs.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/1/31/1831176/-Kim-Davis-may-be-forced-to-pay-225-000-for-refusing-to-issue-marriage-licenses-to-gay-couples?detail=emaildkre

[boutons_deux]

Remember Kim Davis?

Kentucky finally has to pay $225,000 because she refused those marriage licenses (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/25/1881276/-Remember-Kim-Davis-Kentucky-finally-has-to-pay-225-000-because-she-refused-those-marriage-licenses)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/25/1881276/-Remember-Kim-Davis-Kentucky-finally-has-to-pay-225-000-because-she-refused-those-marriage-licenses?utm_campaign=trending (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/25/1881276/-Remember-Kim-Davis-Kentucky-finally-has-to-pay-225-000-because-she-refused-those-marriage-licenses?utm_campaign=trending)

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/276222352_365581042340143_1558371805970680575_n.jp g?stp=dst-jpg_p843x403&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=s4jMMtBh10gAX9XbHVJ&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=00_AT8P88AamlRhiTP7hXAycZYE7an_8Dixw8m7rPF7PGyP 5A&oe=623A6B1E

[Winehole23]

SCOTUS getting ready to overturn Obergefell


Kim Davis (https://abcnews.go.com/US/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-tells-abc-news-shes/story?id=33930655), the former Kentucky county clerk who was jailed for six days (https://abcnews.go.com/WNN/video/defiant-kentucky-county-clerk-jailed-failure-issue-marriage-33531775) in 2015 after refusing to issue marriage licenses to a gay couple on religious grounds, is appealing a $100,000 jury verdict for emotional damages plus $260,000 for attorneys fees.


In a petition (https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/25/25-125/366933/20250724095150195_250720a%20Petition%20for%20eflin g.pdf) for writ of certiorari filed last month, Davis argues First Amendment protection for free exercise of religion immunizes her from personal liability for the denial of marriage licenses.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-formally-asked-overturn-landmark-same-sex/story?id=124465302

[Winehole23]

Stripping people of civil rights is a big theme in Trump 2.0

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:tm3djotsgwdkml5jn5rpubhd/bafkreifz4dry4ztr4in72ou3bbvvugui2kqwwfmbsxpunpiln fajwhswj4@jpeg