No Depth for the Spurs?

[SpursFan4-Life]

No Marco, No cojo, no splitter, no diaw, no baynes....

[DesignatedT]

Diaw is still on the team..

[ceperez]

No depth?????

You have a second team with Mills, Ginobili, Anderson, Diaw and (possibly David West) ..... that's an impressive five right there that can shoot lights out.

[cjw]

Diaw? No, he's still here.

Splitter / Baynes / CoJo minutes get absorbed by Aldridge - yes I know CoJo is a guard but wouldn't be surprised to see less minutes playing two PG and a SG at the three. Diaw could get some burn at the 3 in big lineups, and Anderson likely will play pretty big minutes in the regular season

Biggest hole of those departing is Marco, who played a ton of minutes.

[Seventyniner]

Joseph might still be around depending on exactly where the cap number comes in at, how much Duncan takes, and if the Spurs can somehow do a sign and trade for Aldridge and stay over the cap, allowing the Spurs to keep and use Joseph's Bird rights.

[Mugen]

I'd trade Beli/Baynes/Splitter for Aldridge tbh.

[south side spur]

Kyle Anderson has to contribute 10 mpg and let's hope Lalanne can at least provide a few breathers for Duncan and Aldridge. I know it's a long shot but this Atkins kid was the ACC defensive player of the year maybe there's a chance he could help as well.

[Mr. Body]

Belli is the biggest loss, IMO.

[freetiago]

People ignore the fact that the Spurs rotation shrinks to 8 in the playoffs with Baynes/Marco out. The depth is fine for the playoffs when Duncan/Green/Kawhi all play 30+ minutes and unfourtunately Porker also. During the regular season they'll need a warm body at the C and player who can play the 2/3 and hit some 3s.

[jermaine]

Belli is the biggest loss, IMO.
He really is!! That is until we or if we can find a cheaper replacement. If we can't, we're fucked. He knew the system. Know the system means so much more than talent alone.

[Solid D]

No Marco, No cojo, no splitter, no diaw, no baynes....

Really? I exhort you, please think before starting threads....or posting, for that matter.

[ceperez]

Belli is the biggest loss, IMO.

Only from the offense point of view.

If Anderson plays in his place, the 3 point shooting will not be as good, but the passing, defense and one-on-one opportunities will be better. It is almost a wash.

[lmbebo]

For some reason, I'm pawning for Spurs to get Wayne Ellington and D. West. Then another big in there (Aldrich or someone).

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Depth is fine. Balance is an issue. LMA can take Splitter+Bonner's minutes (plus a few more when we would have had Kawhi as a small ball 4), but we've no true center to fill in for Baynes' contribution.
If we sign D-West then balance will still be a concern but we'll have figured righly that getting that level of talent outweighs it.

[ceperez]

Depth is fine. Balance is an issue. LMA can take Splitter+Bonner's minutes (plus a few more when we would have had Kawhi as a small ball 4), but we've no true center to fill in for Baynes' contribution.
If we sign D-West then balance will still be a concern but we'll have figured righly that getting that level of talent outweighs it.

Wait... I don't think Bonner is gone.

Also, I completely forgot about the Spurs draft picks .. Lalanne ... with 7'5" wingspan.

Then there Livio who may just be ready this year and sign up.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Sign ALL the power forwards!

[LarryDavid]

Think it will really depend on who else they can sign.

[CaptainLate]

Only from the offense point of view.

If Anderson plays in his place, the 3 point shooting will not be as good, but the passing, defense and one-on-one opportunities will be better. It is almost a wash.

Was Marco's defense THAT bad? All reports say Anderson is slow and is a liability on D.

[Mikeanaro]

Geez, if we dont sign Bonner again we are fried.

[CaptainLate]

Wait... I don't think Bonner is gone.

Also, I completely forgot about the Spurs draft picks .. Lalanne ... with 7'5" wingspan.

Then there Livio who may just be ready this year and sign up.

I thought Bertans would be coming over by now. What's the deal...injuries? Or is this a wasted "throw in" to the Khawi deal?

[south side spur]

Yeah just build Bonner's statue already. Fuck, he just won't go away.

[lmbebo]

I thought Bertans would be coming over by now. What's the deal...injuries? Or is this a wasted "throw in" to the Khawi deal?

As your screen name implies, he suffered another ACL tear a month or two ago.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

This team is paper thin right now.

We better land a serviceable big and shooter

[AFBlue]

Offseason ain't over yet homie.

[TheCerebral1]

Cojo hasnt left yet. Unless i missed something. The back up center and sg/sf position.

[Drom John]

Minutes to replace:
1444 Joseph
1388 Belinelli
1122 Baynes
1030 Splitter
0935 Bonner
0383 Ayres
0398 Daye/Williams/J.Green

Playoffs
123 Splitter
116 Belinelli
040 Baynes
036 Bonner
022 Joseph
012 Ayres

Aldridge
2512
0237 playoffs

[tholdren]

Just wait. Spurs have 7 excellent players, waiting for other chips to fall. Still have lots overseas

[TheGoldStandard]

I'm excited to see phase 2.. It starts monday

[Raven]

beli wasn't depth, you don't call cancerous cells "depth" just because you happen to have more cells.

[Raven]

Was Marco's defense THAT bad? All reports say Anderson is slow and is a liability on D.

he was the worst defender in the league.

[lmbebo]

Beli was a revolving door.

Great shooter, but a revolving door on Defense. He tried though.

[BD24]

I'm in the camp of getting wayne Ellington for sure, his only problem is he can only really play the 2. Doesn't have the size to play the 3. I suppose we have LJC to cover that though. The center position is where its gets tricky because there isn't really any good centers left. Maybe Emeka Okafor if he hasn't signed anywhere yet, I know hes old, but he can be effective for a few minutes a game. If not him maybe we bring over our first round pick from this year early?

[Drom John]

Derrick Williams was the worst defensive player in the league.

[Drom John]

Terrence Ross was the worst Defensive SF in the the league.

[Drom John]

That said, only 20 players were worse than Belinelli, Only two of those were SF.

[lmbebo]

Melo?

Seemed like he didn't care at all. Just walked down the court, hogged the ball, and played like Kobe.

[Drom John]

Otoh, one of those 20 was the starting PG for the Spurs.

[Mr Bones]

I'm still hoping Cojo returns.... if he was eager to leave for more money, he could've easily done so already. I have no idea what's going to happen, but Cojo returning still strikes me as plausible, especially if the Spurs ask him to sacrifice with the promise he'll be rewarded in the near future for that sacrifice. I liked Baynes, but honestly I think Cole Aldrich or some other big can replace those minutes pretty easily. Aldridge averaged about 15 mpg more than Splitter, so it's kind of misleading to think the Spurs are "missing" minutes in that regard...

[ChumpDumper]

I'm in the camp of getting wayne Ellington for sure, his only problem is he can only really play the 2. Doesn't have the size to play the 3. I suppose we have LJC to cover that though. The center position is where its gets tricky because there isn't really any good centers left. Maybe Emeka Okafor if he hasn't signed anywhere yet, I know hes old, but he can be effective for a few minutes a game. If not him maybe we bring over our first round pick from this year early?i don't see Ellington's signing for the minimum.

[elemento]

I'm still hoping Cojo returns.... if he was eager to leave for more money, he could've easily done so already. I have no idea what's going to happen, but Cojo returning still strikes me as plausible, especially if the Spurs ask him to sacrifice with the promise he'll be rewarded in the near future for that sacrifice. I liked Baynes, but honestly I think Cole Aldrich or some other big can replace those minutes pretty easily. Aldridge averaged about 15 mpg more than Splitter, so it's kind of misleading to think the Spurs are "missing" minutes in that regard...

Well, the Spurs have just withdrawn the QO. He is an UFA now. I don't think he will play for the min at all. I think he could get from 3 to 5m per year quite comfortably.

[BD24]

i don't see Ellington's signing for the minimum.
That is probably wishful thinking on my part, but I can't imagine the market for him is to big. After playing for the trainwreck that was the Lakers last year maybe he is willing to take a bit less money to play for a contender in a defined role.

[dbestpro]

Like the idea of Emeka Okafor. Jermaine O'Neal is another player that could fill the backup center that I have not seen mentioned. if you really want to go crazy you can always kick the tires on Greg Oden.

[BD24]

Like the idea of Emeka Okafor. Jermaine O'Neal is another player that could fill the backup center that I have not seen mentioned. if you really want to go crazy you can always kick the tires on Greg Oden.
Maybe Jermaine if you got real desperate. Absolute no to Greg Oden. Don't want him on his 18th come back attempt.

[palangi]

Right now or bench could look like

PG Mills
SG Manu
SF Anderson
PF Diaw, LJC
C Palance

I'd like to see west signed to get in front of Lalanne. Then sign either Gerald Green or John Jenkins or Eddie to be the 3rd SG to replace Belli

[Ellsworth]

Does this guy have a chance? :wakeup


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmopEELDl9o

[BD24]

I was just thinking what about Christian Wood? He was originally projected as a late first round pick on some sites and ended up going undrafted. Has he recieved a sl invite from anyone yet? He has a pretty small frame, has the height to play some spot minutes at center if he can put on some muscle.

[Mr Bones]

Well, the Spurs have just withdrawn the QO. He is an UFA now. I don't think he will play for the min at all. I think he could get from 3 to 5m per year quite comfortably.

Honestly, I won't be surprised either way. I wouldn't blame him for wanting more money and more playing time, but a one yr deal with the Spurs with the promise of a more lucrative and longer deal in the future would be pretty appealing too. He knows that Parker's minutes will only be going down in the next two seasons... we'll see. It's interesting that the Spurs don't appear overly concerned about a true back up PG... maybe they know something about Cojo that we and the media don't?

[elemento]

Honestly, I won't be surprised either way. I wouldn't blame him for wanting more money and more playing time, but a one yr deal with the Spurs with the promise of a more lucrative and longer deal in the future would be pretty appealing too. He knows that Parker's minutes will only be going down in the next two seasons... we'll see. It's interesting that the Spurs don't appear overly concerned about a true back up PG... maybe they know something about Cojo that we and the media don't?

I'll be honest. I doubt that Rich Paul has any interest to keep Joseph in a cheap contract in SA. Dude is using Lebron to get a 80m contract for TT, seriously. Cory is gone IMO.

[SpursFan4-Life]

Cojo 100% gone now

[Axegrinder]

I was just thinking what about Christian Wood? He was originally projected as a late first round pick on some sites and ended up going undrafted. Has he recieved a sl invite from anyone yet? He has a pretty small frame, has the height to play some spot minutes at center if he can put on some muscle.Rockets have him

[BD24]

Rockets have him
Do they have him on contract or just on there summer league roster? If just on the sl roster if he impresses maybe we sign him?

[TD 21]

This is being overstated. They're a Ginobili yes away from having an excellent backup point, wing and big. Sure, they'll only have the minimum with which to find a competent backup C/fourth wing, but it should be doable. Deep bench depth, while always useful, isn't as necessary with an elite top eight.

They essentially traded a second and a half big, plus elite back end rotation/deep bench depth for a top fifteen player, yet somehow some of you are panicking.

And people can forget any rotation player, even back end ones like Ellington and Anderson, taking the minimum, in this financial climate. West is the only one who might and that's only because he's made a lot of money and is supposedly desperate to join a contender.

Haven't heard a thing about Okafor for a long time and I'm sure they'd inquire if/when he returns, but I'd imagine the Clippers would have the inside track, given the role they can offer, in addition to the quality of the roster.

[cd98]

Honestly, I won't be surprised either way. I wouldn't blame him for wanting more money and more playing time, but a one yr deal with the Spurs with the promise of a more lucrative and longer deal in the future would be pretty appealing too. He knows that Parker's minutes will only be going down in the next two seasons... we'll see. It's interesting that the Spurs don't appear overly concerned about a true back up PG... maybe they know something about Cojo that we and the media don't?

I think they are willing to let COJO go if it means signing Alderidge.

[Axegrinder]

Do they have him on contract or just on there summer league roster? If just on the sl roster if he impresses maybe we sign him?UNLV forward Christian Wood – one of the highest-rated talents to go unselected in the NBA draft on Thursday – has agreed to a free-agent deal with the Houston Rockets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/hou/), league sources told Yahoo Sports. Wood will sign a partially guaranteed contract, sources said.

[Mugen]

:lol So Danny was expendable because he was a system player...but the Spurs can't fucking replace Aron Baynes or Marco Belinelli.....:lmao

[BD24]

UNLV forward Christian Wood – one of the highest-rated talents to go unselected in the NBA draft on Thursday – has agreed to a free-agent deal with the Houston Rockets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/hou/), league sources told Yahoo Sports. Wood will sign a partially guaranteed contract, sources said.
Well, damn.

[daslicer]

Belli's lose hurts since he was a great shooter. Spurs need a guy who can hit open 3's and a solid backup center to offset the loss of Baynes and Belli.

[jgome21]

Would be nice to get alan anderson for more outside shooting but not sure whats his asking price is...

[tholdren]

Bring in Jon Diebler from Turkey. Dude blows at D, but he's a 47% 3pt shooter. Can't create his own shot. So, it would be like a better version of Marco

[ceperez]

UNLV forward Christian Wood – one of the highest-rated talents to go unselected in the NBA draft on Thursday – has agreed to a free-agent deal with the Houston Rockets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/hou/), league sources told Yahoo Sports. Wood will sign a partially guaranteed contract, sources said.

Rockets always quick to the trigger once they run the numbers.

Spurs are so much more conservative and need the player to have the right mindset.

[SpursFan86]

And people can forget any rotation player, even back end ones like Ellington and Anderson, taking the minimum, in this financial climate. West is the only one who might and that's only because he's made a lot of money and is supposedly desperate to join a contender.

You're probably right, but I'm holding out hope that Aldridge coming here will make us a little more desirable and might result in some guys taking paycuts.

But yeah, if Manu comes back then our bench is fine. Mills/Manu/Diaw alone will result in an above-average bench, and we might get lucky and sign a guy like West or have KA end up being a nice contributor.

[BD24]

Belli's lose hurts since he was a great shooter. Spurs need a guy who can hit open 3's and a solid backup center to offset the loss of Baynes and Belli.
Hopefully we can get wayne ellington. Or maybe we get lucky and Wayne Blackshear works out. If he can just hit his 3's at a decent clip he would be a pretty good 3 and d guy. He would be able to guard twos and threes with his size.

[ceperez]

You're probably right, but I'm holding out hope that Aldridge coming here will make us a little more desirable and might result in some guys taking paycuts.

But yeah, if Manu comes back then our bench is fine. Mills/Manu/Diaw alone will result in an above-average bench, and we might get lucky and sign a guy like West or have KA end up being a nice contributor.

Add a couple of legit centers to bang bodies and a 3point specialist.... that should complete the roster.

[Axegrinder]

Well, damn.Still could be cut..never know wtf morey will do. Also sounds like they are keen on dumping T Jones and could be losing smith

[Nathan89]

Belinelli isn't a big loss and neither is Baynes. The biggest loss is joseph because we know that tony will get hurt and Patty can't take his place in the starting lineup.

[Ron Swanson]

Pop is going to pull a Thibodeau and go with just 5 and run them into the ground.

[aal04]

Why the fuk does EVERYONE on here talk as if we got another 30 mill to sign a center and playmaker.

All we can afford now are minimum players. We are scraping the bottom of the barrel for a crippled C. I expect Manu to come back, slower and more turnover prone, to fill that playmaker position. But atleast hes happy to take the min and he can provide a spark and knows the system.

[tholdren]

Why the fuk does EVERYONE on here talk as if we got another 30 mill to sign a center and playmaker.

All we can afford now are minimum players. We are scraping the bottom of the barrel for a crippled C. I expect Manu to come back, slower and more turnover prone, to fill that playmaker position. But atleast hes happy to take the min and he can provide a spark and knows the system.

on your period.

[Chinook]

Why the fuk does EVERYONE on here talk as if we got another 30 mill to sign a center and playmaker.

All we can afford now are minimum players. We are scraping the bottom of the barrel for a crippled C. I expect Manu to come back, slower and more turnover prone, to fill that playmaker position. But atleast hes happy to take the min and he can provide a spark and knows the system.

If Manu is "happy to take the min", then the Spurs' chances of getting another solid free agent go up dramatically.

[Seventyniner]

:lol So Danny was expendable because he was a system player...but the Spurs can't fucking replace Aron Baynes or Marco Belinelli.....:lmao

[Splits]

If Manu is "happy to take the min", then the Spurs' chances of getting another solid free agent go up dramatically.

What's the vet min for Manu, $1.5? Compared to the Room Exception of $2.3m? $800k difference?

[HarlemHeat37]

Beli can be replaced by increasing Green and Kawhi's minutes, and then you hope either Anderson can give 10 MPG or they sign a decent wing shooter for 10 MPG..

Baynes developed into a good player, but it shouldn't be difficult to replace him IMO..

[Chinook]

What's the vet min for Manu, $1.5? Compared to the Room Exception of $2.3m? $800k difference?

$1.3 Million difference, as the RE is $2.8 Million.

[Splits]

$1.3 Million difference, as the RE is $2.8 Million.

Thanks. With Tim giving up so much, Manu should sign for the min and let us use that RE on another piece.

[Embedded]

Marco kept his feet to close together on defense, that costs about 1/4 to 1/2 a step, I think. I liked him on offense, but he seemed lagging on defense

[cd98]

The fact that Manu can play 1,2,or 3 is why the Spurs need to sign him pronto.

[therealtruth]

The good thing about Beli being gone is Pop won't be able to sit Green/Kawhi to play him.

[Chinook]

The good thing about Beli being gone is that Beli's gone.

That works too.

[outmap]

There are a lot of PF's and Wing available in the market:
PF - West, Amare, Hill, Scola, Bargnani, Hansbrough, Blatche, Seraphin, Udoh
Wing - Anderson, Shved, Weems, Ellington, Datome, Jason Richardson (suprisingly did well last season despite his age), and Butler
That's a pretty deep market and I'm pretty sure we'll be landing at least 2 of them for the min because of LMA.

But the Center and PG spot seems to be thin:
C - Koufos, Okafor, Jason Smith, Withey
PG - Watson, Andre Miller, Fredette, Nelson
I believe we will retain CoJo since there really is no one worthy enough to replace him. At center, we should take a gamble on Robert Upshaw or Jaiteh if we don't get a decent one in the free agent market.

[Agloco]

:lol So Danny was expendable because he was a system player...but the Spurs can't fucking replace Aron Baynes or Marco Belinelli.....:lmao

This right here.

[Axegrinder]

There are a lot of PF's and Wing available in the market:
PF - West, Amare, Hill, Scola, Bargnani, Hansbrough, Blatche, Seraphin, Udoh
Wing - Anderson, Shved, Weems, Ellington, Datome, Jason Richardson (suprisingly did well last season despite his age), and Butler
That's a pretty deep market and I'm pretty sure we'll be landing at least 2 of them for the min because of LMA.

But the Center and PG spot seems to be thin:
C - Koufos, Okafor, Jason Smith, Withey
PG - Watson, Andre Miller, Fredette, Nelson
I believe we will retain CoJo since there really is no one worthy enough to replace him. At center, we should take a gamble on Robert Upshaw or Jaiteh if we don't get a decent one in the free agent market.
Koufos gone
Weems gone, CoJo gone, Upshaw if he shows ANYTHING likely signed with team hes on now..lakers.

[Ditty]

Beli can be replaced by increasing Green and Kawhi's minutes, and then you hope either Anderson can give 10 MPG or they sign a decent wing shooter for 10 MPG..

Baynes developed into a good player, but it shouldn't be difficult to replace him IMO..

What you be open to Ray Allen replacing Beli, if he was open for a comeback?

How about Aldrich to replace Baynes, he was decent at time with New York but they were terrible of course? :lol

Any third string point guards you recommend out there that can defend well?

[outmap]

Koufos gone
Weems gone, CoJo gone, Upshaw if he shows ANYTHING likely signed with team hes on now..lakers.

Now we really have to work on finding a decent center, Mills will be more than good enough to be the main back-up but we still have to sign an insurance player/3rd string PG.

[Duncan2177]

Would love to have West and Shved.

[HankChinaski]

Spurs will look at the remaining free agents after July 9th, evaluate players in summer league and then if nothing stands out strong or with sheer certainty training camp invites for preseason.

This is has been modus operandi for quite some time now. There is some intriguing players still left in free agency that can fill in 3 string minutes as well as in summer league.

This isn't last years roster of 11-12 deep yet but they still have a solid 8 man rotation with the possibility of adding one or 2 more with some creativity with just the RE and min contracts.

[Axegrinder]

Would love to have West and Shved.:bobo

[Shabazz]

Kendall Marshall

[Vito Corleone]

I would take Fredette, I have always thought he would do well in the Spurs system. Not sure what it would take to get him but he is a guy I like that can play both the 2 or 1 spot. He reminds me of a poor mans Rex Chapman. (Now that is a name from the past)

[HarlemHeat37]

What you be open to Ray Allen replacing Beli, if he was open for a comeback?

How about Aldrich to replace Baynes, he was decent at time with New York but they were terrible of course? :lol

Any third string point guards you recommend out there that can defend well?

Ray Allen would be fine from a basketball perspective, but I fucking hate him as much as I've hated any player in the NBA in my lifetime, tbh:lol..

Aldrich would be good, he could probably do everything Baynes did in the system..

Haven't looked into FA PGs yet, though..

[therealtruth]

Guys better be ready to play 48 min.

[ChumpDumper]

Guys better be ready to play 48 min.
I believe they will actually acquire more players before November tbh.

[TheGoldStandard]

Sergio Rodriguez, huertas, Donald Sloan, Kendall Marshall, Ronnie price

[therealtruth]

I believe they will actually acquire more players before November tbh.

Still it usually takes Pop a while to play new guys. They need to get over themselves.

[ChumpDumper]

Still it usually takes Pop a while to play new guys. They need to get over themselves.I bet Duncan will not average 48 minutes.

Call it a hunch.

[CaptainLate]

Well, the Spurs have just withdrawn the QO. He is an UFA now. I don't think he will play for the min at all. I think he could get from 3 to 5m per year quite comfortably.

If he was loyal he would've taken a two-year deal with player option year 2. Get another ring with LMA onboard. Then opt out and get a 4 year deal with the new TV cap hit kicking in after this year. Well, have fun in socialist Canada. Not that Amerika isn't a police state now but at least Texas doesn't have the state income tax.

[ChumpDumper]

If he was loyal he would've taken a two-year deal with player option year 2. Get another ring with LMA onboard. Then opt out and get a 4 year deal with the new TV cap hit kicking in after this year. Well, have fun in socialist Canada. Not that Amerika isn't a police state now but at least Texas doesn't have the state income tax.You know he did do the good capitalist thing here.

Why are you so pissed about this and about Canada?

[raybies]

It seems kind of obvious to me that we would want veterans. We are in win now mode. This could possibly be the last year with Duncan and Ginobili.

Names that come to mind are:

PG Nelson. Miller
SG Richardson
SF Prince, Butler, R Butler
PF Boozer, West, Amare, Scola
C Hate to say it, Perkins

Veterans that can play right away. As for Perkins, I know the stats on him as a player, but in a series against Memphis and Houston he could be playable. There's not really much available for center or pg as has been stated. Do the Spurs give Lorbek a shout. We own his rights.

Anyone think we give a young player a shot with no experience in the system on a team that is built to contend immediately?

[BatManu20]

At least somewhat realistic guys I hope PATFO are looking at:

David West (obv)
Luis Scola
Wayne Ellington
Alan Anderson
Carlos Boozer
Darrell Arthur
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Leandro Barbosa*
K.J. McDaniels*
Gerald Green*

*unlikely

[Sean Cagney]

It seems kind of obvious to me that we would want veterans. We are in win now mode. This could possibly be the last year with Duncan and Ginobili.

Names that come to mind are:

PG Nelson. Miller
SG Richardson
SF Prince, Butler, R Butler
PF Boozer, West, Amare, Scola
C Hate to say it, Perkins

Veterans that can play right away. As for Perkins, I know the stats on him as a player, but in a series against Memphis and Houston he could be playable. There's not really much available for center or pg as has been stated. Do the Spurs give Lorbek a shout. We own his rights.

Anyone think we give a young player a shot with no experience in the system on a team that is built to contend immediately?
I can't stand Perkins :lol. I remember that year he shoved Tim when he got made and Tim just went forward and laughed, dude is a bum. Lorbek, what happened to him? One of their picks overseas you never see, damn. Lin is available right? I remember reading on that one today and someone said interest was there but have no clue.

[spurtech09]

No depth?????

You have a second team with Mills, Ginobili, Anderson, Diaw and (possibly David West) ..... that's an impressive five right there that can shoot lights out.spurs need another shooter.....

[BatManu20]

Not sure how credible they are, but man I hope this happens.

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[ViceCity86]

I can't stand Perkins :lol. I remember that year he shoved Tim when he got made and Tim just went forward and laughed, dude is a bum. Lorbek, what happened to him? One of their picks overseas you never see, damn. Lin is available right? I remember reading on that one today and someone said interest was there but have no clue.

2014 WCF when Perkins stepped up to Diaw's face and wanted to fight him.I don't see how any Spurs respect that bitch.

[SpursFan86]

Haven't looked into FA PGs yet, though..

Not many options :lol Jameer Nelson wouldn't be terrible I guess. I mean shit, he was starting for the Mavs and giving them substantial minutes while they were leading the league in offense before the dreaded Rondo trade. There's Jordan Farmar...at least he can hit 3s.

Nate Wolters is playing for our SL team in Vegas. I seem to recall him being somewhat decent in Milwaukee a while back. If he impresses, could possibly see us going after him.

[SpursFan86]

Not sure how credible they are, but man I hope this happens.

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Ehh, seems shaky at best. Article says West would consider the Cavs if they could offer more money, but Cleveland can offer him more than we can. IIRC they have the mini MLE, which is ~$3.3 million. The most he'd get here is $2.8 million, and that's only if we don't use the room exception on Manu.

[Sean Cagney]

2014 WCF when Perkins stepped up to Diaw's face and wanted to fight him.I don't see how any Spurs respect that bitch.
He is a shit player, dirty and an ugly bastard. I will pass.

[palangi]

What about Darius Morris as the 3rd PG. Very similar to CoJo. Defensive minded, long, and good slasher.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0NhAJtRLlEg

[ElNono]

Ginobili-Delfino-Scola... all Argie bench, tbh

[BillMc]

Not sure how credible they are, but man I hope this happens.

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Thanks for posting.

Weird. Article says Cavs can offer Midlevel exception, but he wants more money. Yet, he's leaning towards the Spurs (who can't even offer that).

[BillMc]

Ehh, seems shaky at best. Article says West would consider the Cavs if they could offer more money, but Cleveland can offer him more than we can. IIRC they have the mini MLE, which is ~$3.3 million. The most he'd get here is $2.8 million, and that's only if we don't use the room exception on Manu.

You beat me to it and said it better anyway. :lol

[Vic Petro]

Don't think Jameer is realistic. Wolters ability to stick will depend on his jumper. We already know he can't defend. You can't play for Pop if you're bad at both.

[houston spurs fan]

He is a shit player, dirty and an ugly bastard. I will pass.
Agree Cagney. When I saw his name pop up I felt a little sick to my stomach. Send him back to Beaumont to rot with Jackson

[spurraider21]

Not sure how credible they are, but man I hope this happens.

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west would be a good get, but not a really important one... Diaw is already the backup 4. it would be nice to add west, but does nothing to alleviate our need for a backup C

[outmap]

I like Miller at the point. A nice, smart, gritty old point guard who would be a perfect insurance point who wants a title before he retires.

[SpursFan86]

Big no to Andre Miller. We'll already have one slow-as-molasses guy in Kyle Anderson, last thing we need is another one. Miller/Manu/Anderson...no thanks.

[ElNono]

I also read on the interwebs that West isn't interested in the Cavs as much because they have 3 elite bigs... that's apparently one reason why the Cavs floated a Varejao-Joe Johnson trade...

[Holden_Caulfield]

where is chris quinn these days

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I also read on the interwebs that West isn't interested in the Cavs as much because they have 3 elite bigs... that's apparently one reason why the Cavs floated a Varejao-Joe Johnson trade...

As much as West is about winning titles now, I'm sure he wants to play as well. Not sure he'd get any time behind Lebron, Love, Thompson, and Mozgov.

[Sean Cagney]

Agree Cagney. When I saw his name pop up I felt a little sick to my stomach. Send him back to Beaumont to rot with Jackson

Hopefully he retires soon.
Big no to Andre Miller. We'll already have one slow-as-molasses guy in Kyle Anderson, last thing we need is another one. Miller/Manu/Anderson...no thanks.
What is sad man is Anderson is young and you can't teach speed, he is slow as f... I doubt he amounts to crap honestly unless he really works on his game and strengths.
where is chris quinn these days

Good lord NO!!!!!! Not even an option. No clue where he is though.

[Ice009]

What is sad man is Anderson is young and you can't teach speed, he is slow as f... I doubt he amounts to crap honestly unless he really works on his game and strengths.


There are slow players that can play, but unfortunately in the NBA, especially at a position like SF or PG you can get burned on defense almost every time. His lack of speed could be a killer no matter how good of a player he is. Hopefully he can figure out a way around it to still be affective? I'm also not sure what position he should be trying to play in the NBA as probably his two strongest positions (PG/SF), you just can't be slow in the the NBA to play.

[phxspurfan]

At least somewhat realistic guys I hope PATFO are looking at:

David West (obv)
Luis Scola
Wayne Ellington
Alan Anderson
Carlos Boozer
Darrell Arthur
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Leandro Barbosa*
K.J. McDaniels*
Gerald Green*

*unlikely

Pop would turn Darrell Arthur into a great 3/D player

[Kineto]

Ehh, seems shaky at best. Article says West would consider the Cavs if they could offer more money, but Cleveland can offer him more than we can. IIRC they have the mini MLE, which is ~$3.3 million. The most he'd get here is $2.8 million, and that's only if we don't use the room exception on Manu.

I can see 2 possibilities, but both seem very unlikely
- Spurs salary dump diaw to get West
- Duncan has agreed to take the vet min, and they can give West what was expected for Duncan (around $6M, more if the salary cap is superior to what was expected)

[Nathan89]

I can see 2 possibilities, but both seem very unlikely
- Spurs salary dump diaw to get West
- Duncan has agreed to take the vet min, and they can give West what was expected for Duncan (around $6M, more if the salary cap is superior to what was expected)

Not worth mentioning. Diaw isn't going anywhere.

[BillMc]

I can see 2 possibilities, but both seem very unlikely
- Spurs salary dump diaw to get West
- Duncan has agreed to take the vet min, and they can give West what was expected for Duncan (around $6M, more if the salary cap is superior to what was expected)

Losing Diaw to get West seems treading water at best. Not going to happen.

It is sightly possible that Tim will take the minimum, but as you say, very unlikely. More likely the reporter or his source doesn't have the facts straight.

[jesterbobman]

I don't think this is a huge deal.

Make some reasonable assumptions, that:
Manu comes back on the exception:
Luck into West(Way bigger role here than Cleveland, him and Manu have one getting Room, one gets Min )
Tavares in the Splitter deal( A reasonable return, though uncertain and means TD earns less), and
LJC forces his way on.

That's probably the best case scenario, though all the items are reasonable. If you do those:

Duncan/West Tavares - If not, go for Withey/ Aldrich etc as a C, or keep Lalanne as a Small ball C.
LMA/Diaw/LJC
Kawhi/Anderson - Release, then resign Reggie Williams
Green/Manu (???) - As above
Parker/Mills (???) - Wolters, Sloan,

Missing some guard depth at 3rd PG and the SG position. Not a huge playoff issue, just need to soak up minutes. Guessing you can find PG's/SG's who want a minimum NBA deal, and the Spurs will be one of the better minimum options. Spurs can also leave options open for buyouts later.

[cd021]

I don't think this is a huge deal.

Make some reasonable assumptions, that:
Manu comes back on the exception:
Luck into West(Way bigger role here than Cleveland, him and Manu have one getting Room, one gets Min )
Tavares in the Splitter deal( A reasonable return, though uncertain and means TD earns less), and
LJC forces his way on.

That's probably the best case scenario, though all the items are reasonable. If you do those:

Duncan/West Tavares - If not, go for Withey/ Aldrich etc as a C, or keep Lalanne as a Small ball C.
LMA/Diaw/LJC
Kawhi/Anderson - Release, then resign Reggie Williams
Green/Manu (???) - As above
Parker/Mills (???) - Wolters, Sloan,

Missing some guard depth at 3rd PG and the SG position. Not a huge playoff issue, just need to soak up minutes. Guessing you can find PG's/SG's who want a minimum NBA deal, and the Spurs will be one of the better minimum options. Spurs can also leave options open for buyouts later.

Taverez just signed with the Hawks, i was under the impression that they would keep him.

I think three second rounders for Splitter is more likely.

Atlanta has Washington's in '16 (probably in the late 40s)
They also have Miami's and Brooklyn's 2nd rounders in '17

If that happens, the Spurs would have 5 second rounders in the next two seasons.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

So then there's no chance that the Spurs can get Tavares from the Hawks as part of the Splitter deal?

[bluebellmaniac]

So then there's no chance that the Spurs can get Tavares from the Hawks as part of the Splitter deal?

Highly unlikely.

[ceperez]

So then there's no chance that the Spurs can get Tavares from the Hawks as part of the Splitter deal?

We don't know yet until the 9th of July. My gut tells me that there would be no player going back in the trade, so Tavares being signed is a 'player' and not a 'draft right'.

[Johnny RIngo]

No Marco, No cojo, no splitter, no baynes....

Regular season depth maybe but it's not like they lost any important playoff performers. Marco was useless in our 2014 title run. Cojo has never been a factor in the playoffs and bigs like Baynes are easily replaceable. Splitter's a considerable loss though. Hopefully LMA's impact on offense can offset that.

[ceperez]

Regular season depth maybe but it's not like they lost any important playoff performers. Marco was useless in our 2014 title run. Cojo has never been a factor in the playoffs and bigs like Baynes are easily replaceable. Splitter's a considerable loss though. Hopefully LMA's impact on offense can offset that.

2014 run... Bonner played a lot of minutes.

[Mr. Body]

2014 run... Bonner played a lot of minutes.

Bonner played a lot to stretch Ibaka on the floor. Aldridge will do that now.