Road side tent ministry of Bertans

[stxspurs]

he might be in before his brother:lol

[BillMc]

Think you're right! :toast

[Poolboy5623]

Faaaaack.....I was all excited...that's not the guy involved in the draft trade (david?)? But his brother??? What are we the suns?!

[beirmeistr]

good shooter and a hustler on defense

[Robz4000]

Checking in

[stxspurs]

Checking in

welcome...pull up a folding chair

[tim_duncan_fan]

You don't shoot with that confidence and that result under the pressure of playing for an NBA job on a fluke.

Count me the fuck in.


Plus: This nigga made one freethrow and then missed the second one that would have put us up 4 instead of 3 with 4 seconds left in the game. He's got Spur tendencies. Not even joking.

[RD2191]

Dairis? WTF. I thought that was Davis out there.:lmao

[r0drig0lac]

good

[BillMc]

If Gary Neal could make the roster with his defense, Dairis should have a good chance.

[BillMc]

Dairis? WTF. I thought that was Davis out there.:lmao

It was his brother.

[stxspurs]

You don't shoot with that confidence and that result under the pressure of playing for an NBA job on a fluke.

Count me the fuck in.


Plus: This nigga made one freethrow and then missed the second one that would have put us up 4 instead of 3 with 4 seconds left in the game. He's got Spur tendencies. Not even joking.

bwahahahahahahahaha:lmao

[Silver&Black]

Count me in....

[benefactor]

I wish he was a little bigger than Gary Neal, but the dude can shoot. I'm not going to say sign him up yet. I want to see the Aussie kid that's playing for Denver's team. Spurs supposedly are keeping an eye on him.

[Nathan89]

Dairis? WTF. I thought that was Davis out there.:lmao

I was wondering why he look shorter and different.:lol

[RD2191]

I was wondering why he look shorter and different.:lol
Me too. I was like fuck I need to get my eyes checked. :lmao

[dabom]

Me too. I was like fuck I need to get my eyes checked. :lmao

:lmao

I had to fucking google this dude. :lmao I was like this dude is small wtf? thinking it was his taller brother. :lmao

[RD2191]

:lmao

I had to fucking google this dude. :lmao I was like this dude is small wtf? thinking it was his taller brother. :lmao
I was looking for his missing finger.:lmao

[Big P]

Count me in!

[Spurtacular]

Texans do like their tent revivals!

[stxspurs]

http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Preach-Pennsatucky.jpg

[manufan10]

Is he going to be on the Vegas roster too?

[CaptainLate]

It was his brother.

Plus the younger brother is like 8" taller, is he not?

[CaptainLate]

I wish he was a little bigger than Gary Neal, but the dude can shoot. I'm not going to say sign him up yet.

Camp invite if he keeps it up.

[Raven]

i've always liked him more than his brother. he's a very different player though, a lot smaller.

[ChumpDumper]

Played well. Not sure if anyone is going to guarantee money for him though.

[HI-FI]

:lol I kept wondering why his hair color changed and finger came back. Plus didn't the other Bertans mess his leg up recently? Hope one of them can make the team.

[manufan10]

Dairis Bertans (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dairis-Bertans-1383/)has a skinny frame with quite long arms. He’s a pretty decent athlete with good quickness and footspeed, but mainly stands out as a scorer who runs the wings well to get free on the perimeter. Once he has the ball, he’s able to either look for a shot (either spotting up or off the dribble) or slash to the basket. He’s also an OK passer who knows how to find his teammates when driving, and also in fastbreak situations.

Bertrans does have the ability and confidence to take over a game and respond also in decisive moments. As a ball handler he’s solid too, dribbling up in many occasions and pushing the ball well on the break.

Defensively he’s surely able to do his part and with good intensity and lateral footspeed, able to defend very close-by without fouling or getting surpassed. His awareness on help defense on the other hand is improvable.


From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3fAU5XI6y
http://www.draftexpress.com

[stxspurs]

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2015/7/6/8903853/spurs-eke-out-win-over-76ers-74-71?utm_campaign=poundingtherock&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Dairis Bertans outshines Jahlil Okafor in first Summer League game

[BillMc]

Plus the younger brother is like 8" taller, is he not?
Yep

[T Park]

I'll throw a 5 in the offering mason jar

[south side spur]

Fuck it. Spurs need guard depth. What are their alternatives?

[ironman2886]

Beli replacement.

[south side spur]

If he can do what Belinelli did that's more than enough. He's a couple inches shorter. Hopefully, his aggressiveness on defense makes up for that since Marco wasn't the best defender. It would be nice to have those momentum buckets back. I was one of Cory's biggest supporters but I don't think Cory will ever have the scoring ability of this Latvian.

[stxspurs]

hopefully his performance only gets better but i hope he doesnt go the way of Pops mensa,, White and Gist.....just summer league allstars

[ironman2886]

hopefully his performance only gets better but i hope he doesnt go the way of Pops mensa,, White and Gist.....just summer league allstars
Ehh. Gist, White, and Pops were athletic with very little skill set.

[latvianantonio]

Fuck it, Im Spurs now.

[stxspurs]

Ehh. Gist, White, and Pops were athletic with very little skill set.

Which a lot of ppl wanted on the team. I think Bertans might be different

[RLT]

Bert>Beli

Sign him. I like what I see so far.

[look_at_g_shred]

Is his shot wet again tonight?

[DesignatedT]

Guy doesn't have a chance. Nice shot but way too small slow and unathletic

[stxspurs]

i think today was just passing out pamphlets and a lil choir practice:rolleyes

[bReeTz]

I guess I can provide little bit more info about Dairis. His shooting at first game was better than usual (5/8 3pts), usually he shoots 35-40% from 3pt line. He is a lot faster usually and excels in fast breakaways – I could explain his relative slowness this time with few injuries during the season with Bilbao that affected his fitness level quite a lot. I’m somewhat suprised that he did not showcase his athleticism – he’s capable (and not afraid to) to finish play with dunk with or without opposition (at least in Europe) – again, that could be explained with injuries during the season and his overall shape this summer. He can pass and distribute ball well enough, but overall he’s more of a „shoot first” guy.


His primary position, obviously, is SG, although he can play PG (he has played as a combo SG/PG in VEF RIGA and Latvian national team more than few times). High BB IQ, gritty defensive play, great work ethic . He’s one of the players that thrives with competition (for example - pre-season game with Sixers, EUROBASKET tournament vs France).

Biggest con - shooting stability fom 3pt line. He can have nights like 1/6 from 3pt line once in a while.

Still, Davis is way better player than Dairis

[hater]

Beli replacement.

:lmao this fucking scrub? :lol wake up

[hater]

He's a fucking toothpick and falls more than Porker at an all you can eat.

Send him back

[BillMc]

I guess I can provide little bit more info about Dairis. His shooting at first game was better than usual (5/8 3pts), usually he shoots 35-40% from 3pt line. He is a lot faster usually and excels in fast breakaways – I could explain his relative slowness this time with few injuries during the season with Bilbao that affected his fitness level quite a lot. I’m somewhat suprised that he did not showcase his athleticism – he’s capable (and not afraid to) to finish play with dunk with or without opposition (at least in Europe) – again, that could be explained with injuries during the season and his overall shape this summer. He can pass and distribute ball well enough, but overall he’s more of a „shoot first” guy.


His primary position, obviously, is SG, although he can play PG (he has played as a combo SG/PG in VEF RIGA and Latvian national team more than few times). High BB IQ, gritty defensive play, great work ethic . He’s one of the players that thrives with competition (for example - pre-season game with Sixers, EUROBASKET tournament vs France).

Biggest con - shooting stability fom 3pt line. He can have nights like 1/6 from 3pt line once in a while.

Still, Davis is way better player than Dairis

Thanks!:toast

[BillMc]

i think today was just passing out pamphlets and a lil choir practice:rolleyes
:lol

[AFBlue]

I'm all in on the Bertans brothers. Two is better than one....can I get a witness?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I wish he was a little bigger than Gary Neal, but the dude can shoot. I'm not going to say sign him up yet. I want to see the Aussie kid that's playing for Denver's team. Spurs supposedly are keeping an eye on him.

He is the same size as Neal. 6'5 1/2 w shoes.

[BillMc]

I'm all in on the Bertans brothers. Two is better than one....can I get a witness?

Amen, brother!

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I think he will be find as a 3rd string PG. He is like bigger version of Mills. A scrappy player that can get hot any moment.

For the minimum, he is probably the best the Spurs are going to get at this point.

[benefactor]

He is the same size as Neal. 6'5 1/2 w shoes.
That's what I said.

If they think he flashes enough playmaking skill to keep him as a 3rd PG, that's fine. Manu is the default backup anyway and Boris will help distribute on the second team as well. Spurs really need another true SG or a 2/3 combo. We should get a longer look at Graham as they head to Vegas and Eddie will be on the Vegas squad as well. It would be nice if one of those two panned out.

[SPURt]

Does airballing a free throw scare people off?

[hater]

Sorry but he's a toothpick. Makes rookie Manu look like hulk.

He can't even make a lay up or draw foul vs NBDL defenders. What makes you think he would do that in the NBA. Lol

[TheDoctor]

Does airballing a free throw scare people off?

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/tony-parker-missed-t-b.gif

[stxspurs]

this tent church is a scam.....

[Axegrinder]

premature ejaculation:sleep

[Mnky]

this tent church is a scam.....

:lol

[stxspurs]

EN reports:
Traveling tent church has been shut down. Spur fan felt swindled by the performance of Bertans. SAPD spokesman quoted "if it's too god to be true...it probably is. I mean it was only 1 game! Lol" Bertans not available for comment and is believed to be hiding out in Europe.

[r0drig0lac]

https://gospelpost.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/000igreja_pegou_fogo.jpg

[BillMc]

https://gospelpost.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/000igreja_pegou_fogo.jpg
:depressed

[stxspurs]

and so it begins.....

[cutewizard]

Bertans has the FIRE of Manu,

just saying, hehehehehehe

[r0drig0lac]

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/files/2014/12/Church-Construction-North-American-Mission-Board.jpg

[TheGoldStandard]

And upon this rock I shall warm the bench.

[TheGreatYacht]

Bertans has the FIRE of Manu,

just saying, hehehehehehe
He has 8 turnovers in him too?

[SAGirl]

754212327583584256

[Dingle Barry]

754212327583584256

Wealthy motherfucker's Bonner

[BillMc]

http://www.archaeolink.com/1008762083_8e49744c00.jpg

[UZER]

Wealthy motherfucker's Bonner

Dude looks confident. Bonner looked like a deer drinking water out in the open.

[tonight...you]

We're gonna need a bigger tent...

[absoloot66]

Wealthy motherfucker's Bonner


Dude looks confident. Bonner looked like a deer drinking water out in the open.

:lol

[Sean Cagney]

Dude looks confident. Bonner looked like a deer drinking water out in the open.

:lol

[BillMc]

We're gonna need a bigger tent...
:toast

[tonight...you]

:toast
We're gonna get a bigger tent, right?!

[toki9]

Wonder how good he could have been if he had all of his fingers...

[BillMc]

We're gonna get a bigger tent, right?!

Full on Barnum and Bailey Bro. :flag:

[BillMc]

Wonder how good he could have been if he had all of his fingers...

Worked for Frodo, works for Davis...

[spurs10]

Looks good in that clip!

[tonight...you]

Looks good in that clip!
Edit, my bad.

[spurs10]

I've heard so much about him and have to say his form looks super. He looks like he is someone who can contribute now.

[Atl Spur]

He appears to have a competitive nature I can respect!

[Em-City]

Can we get a proper worship center? This place feels inadequate

[tonight...you]

Can we get a proper worship center? This place feels inadequate
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/50/35/22/5035223c78dbf1a70b54590d94f3f5b6.gif

[tonight...you]

Can we get a proper worship center? This place feels inadequate
https://storage.googleapis.com/vidsums/7b41ab67-2304-4526-9f24-b9b2a7c42795_text.gif

[stxspurs]

Cardboard cathedral?

[BackHome]

Him and our new rookie pick and Dedman are players can't wait to see play next year.

[From Downtown]

Count me in

[SAGirl]

771530121387712512

[ceperez]

771530121387712512

The guy appears to have that intangible competitive attitude.

[cutewizard]

Bertanssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

[cutewizard]

Bertanssssssssss basketballllllllllllll!!!!!

:claw

[TheDoctor]

In the line outside the tent but IN.

[Emperor]

I haven't been this pumped to see a Spurs rookie debut since Manu's first game.

[spurraider21]

stoked that bertans finally made the jump

[BillMc]

771530121387712512
:toast

[UZER]

771530121387712512

Wait just a damn minute. Second place in the WCF?

Cut this guy now.

[gambit1990]

Wait just a damn minute. Second place in the WCF?

Cut this guy now.

not what he said:

"If it's clear that the team will finish in second place in the conference by the end of the regular season, then the last games will be rest for the team leaders."

[UZER]

not what he said:

Yeah, typo on my part. I read what he said. I meant second place in the WC.

It was just a joke anyway. I like the kid's confidence. He's the anti-Bonner. Super excited to watch him play.

[SAGirl]

750827015582822400

[cutewizard]

Bertans is a keeper!!!!

i like him boys!!!!

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaa aaaa!!!

[spurs10]

Bertans is a keeper!!!!

i like him boys!!!!

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaa aaaa!!! That's the spirit! I'm sure Bill Mc will happy about this! We sure sure need the offense!

[cutewizard]

That's the spirit! I'm sure Bill Mc will happy about this! We sure sure need the offense!

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Thanks for the appreciation man!!!

[cutewizard]

I haven't been this pumped to see a Spurs rookie debut since Manu's first game.


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same here man

[BillMc]

That's the spirit! I'm sure Bill Mc will happy about this! We sure sure need the offense!


Bill is happy indeed, bro! :downspin:

[YGWHI]

Bill is happy indeed, bro! :downspin:

Good stuff :tu Bertans shot's so smooth...



I really liked George Hill -once Spur always a Spur- but I guess that Pacers moving Kawhi and Davis rights/pick for him was the worst NBA trade ever.

[BillMc]

Good stuff :tu Bertans shot's so smooth...



I really liked George Hill -once Spur always a Spur- but I guess that Pacers moving Kawhi and Davis rights/pick for him was the worst NBA trade ever.


I agree. I was a big Hill fan and can still remember being bummed about that trade. (Emotionally, even if it did make sense on the court). Obviously, it worked out on our favor. Larry Bird probably will never take a call from RC again...:flag:

[CGD]

Ive been waiting for this guys for over two years. I really think he's going to be a serviceable player for us, and happy to hear he's doing well so far. It's going to make the George Hill take look that much more awesome.

Anyone have his game highlights from yesterday?

[TrainOfThought5]

Ive been waiting for this guys for over two years. I really think he's going to be a serviceable player for us, and happy to hear he's doing well so far. It's going to make the George Hill take look that much more awesome.

Anyone have his game highlights from yesterday?

Now we just need George Hill back to run the point, and Pops masterplan is complete.

[Maddog]

Re:Road side tent ministry of Bertans
Maybe premature, but based on Summer league and pre-season- a permanent structure may need to be completed.

[BillMc]

Re:Road side tent ministry of Bertans
Maybe premature, but based on Summer league and pre-season- a permanent structure may need to be completed.
:toast

[r0drig0lac]

and some really tried to compare Bertans with Bonner

[BillMc]

I'm hoping Davis does well enough to get a chick like the one on his shirt. :lol

http://www.ekapija.com/dokumenti/davis_bertans_1_270314.jpg

[T Park]

Bertrand will become the first off the bench with mills and Ginobili by the year is out. Everyone plays small ball. Bertrand will prove to be very valuable.

[BillMc]

Bertrand will become the first off the bench with mills and Ginobili by the year is out. Everyone plays small ball. Bertrand will prove to be very valuable.

Let's hope. :toast

By the way, is "Bertrand" some reference I'm not getting or maybe just a typo done twice?

[sasaint]

Let's hope. :toast

By the way, is "Bertrand" some reference I'm not getting or maybe just a typo done twice?

The Latvian is a philosopher of the 3-ball...?

[cutewizard]

Bertrand-ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol

:lobt2:

[rastaspur]

Bertrand-ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol

:lobt2:

You are the most enthusiastic and optimistic poster on this site. It is a nice change of pace as compared to all the trolls, emo haters, etc. On this forum who just spew negativity.

Keep it up. Hopefully it becomes infectious.

[Trueblood]

You are the most enthusiastic and optimistic poster on this site. It is a nice change of pace as compared to all the trolls, emo haters, etc. On this forum who just spew negativity.

Keep it up. Hopefully it becomes infectious.

+1

[Chinook]

Any time I see happy or optimistic posts, I flash back to that poster GoPatty (but with some weird capitalization issues). Weirdest poster I've ever encountered on this board.

[4down]

Daber

[sasaint]

SAGirl said:
I don't know what Raven meant, but ppl overreact on ST a lot. Bertans could always shoot and we knew that. The question is if he can do other things well and also, can the other bench bigs get their act together.

I think Bertans shooting can help the bench spacing issues, but I don't know if Bertans will hold up defensively to everything else he would need to do to be in the rotation. I don't forget he fouled 5 times in the Suns game, was 1-5 shooting the 3 and a traffic cone on defense, chase down blocks notwithstanding, bc I did watch that game... but hey ppl dampen my own enthusiasm all the time, so I let guys be.

Thanks for chiming in. I have not yet seen Bertans play, so I'm really just trying to get impressions from those who have. (I thought I would move the discussion here and avoid hijacking the MCW for Simmons? thread...)

[SAGirl]

SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49524) said:

Thanks for chiming in. I have not yet seen Bertans play, so I'm really just trying to get impressions from those who have. (I thought I would move the discussion here and avoid hijacking the MCW for Simmons? thread...)

Good idea.

785493010993774592

[BillMc]

Good idea.

785493010993774592
:toast

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

The trade that keeps on giving...

[YGWHI]

Keep traditions alive, Pop! Having a redhead 3 point-shooter when winning a ship, is a good one.

[cutewizard]

You are the most enthusiastic and optimistic poster on this site. It is a nice change of pace as compared to all the trolls, emo haters, etc. On this forum who just spew negativity.

Keep it up. Hopefully it becomes infectious.


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Thanks for the appreciation Sir!

Much love to you!

[BillMc]

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/nS-JWrH672GF_NiIR47BObXRmnw=/1000x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7241377/Mad%20Max%20Fury%20Road%20Guitar%20Guy%20(Full%20S cenes)%20Good%20Quality_1_1.gif

[Spur-Addict]

:lol

[benefactor]

Gonna get a lot of use out of det one:lol

[SAGirl]

785879547887570944

[ceperez]

785879547887570944

That trade for Hill was highway robbery. Should be illegal!

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtZYa7h4yz8

[cutewizard]

This guy can shoot boys!!!!!!

:claw

:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

THE SEARCH FOR SIX IS ON!!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QSopVD5P6Q

[Splits]

Lol this guy sux

[TimDunkem]

^ Now I'm certain Bertans will be pretty damn good.

[kobyz]

This guy was a below average player in Europe, never was an impact or efective player just a semblance player without substance even there, why is anybody think he could be somthing here???

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

^ Now I'm certain Bertans will be pretty damn good.

Love the vid in your sig, mate. Brought a tear to my eye... :toast

[xellos88330]

The kid is showing much more activity defensively than I was anticipating. If his shot is dropping he becomes a critical part of this team. The best difference between Bertans and Bonner is that Bertans can drive and get to the rim.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V7xGmPe0A0

[apalisoc_9]

This guy was a below average player in Europe, never was an impact or efective player just a semblance player without substance even there, why is anybody think he could be somthing here???

This post should have been enough for anyone posting in spurstalk to feel confident about how Bertans will turn out

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxHAihulT5Q

[tonight...you]

Been a Berlieber for the past 2 years. Watched all of his Euro games. This kid's is going to be in the NBA for a long, long time, barring further injuries, and even then, he rehabs like a demon.

This guy needs to be on this team and long term.

[T Park]

This guy was a below average player in Europe, never was an impact or efective player just a semblance player without substance even there, why is anybody think he could be somthing here???



Womp womp

[Budkin]

^ Now I'm certain Bertans will be pretty damn good.

Bump.

[SAGirl]

Thanks for the Bertans highlights in that Celtics game! He looked great, even the slip/roll to the basket was a great idea... :toast

[Slippy]

Keep traditions alive, Pop! Having a redhead 3 point-shooter when winning a ship, is a good one.

Honestly i hope that's where the comparisons/tradition stop as in the hair. Dont mean you in particular but i'v often heard this on away commentary teams for spurs.

Bertans has a lot more upside & is already doings that bonbon could only dream of.

[MultiTroll]

:toast vs Celtics.

The lobs to Dedman. :toast
The long trey.
All his minutes grade A.

[BillMc]

:toast vs Celtics.

The lobs to Dedman. :toast
The long trey.
All his minutes grade A.
Agreed

[Hoops Czar]

:toast vs Celtics.

The lobs to Dedman. :toast
The long trey.
All his minutes grade A.

He robbed Tony of two first half assists. Matty Bertans has to knock those down.

[spursistan]

Dropped 4 dimes tonight :toast..

Bertans has lot of sneaky good things to his game other than shooting that I was not aware on until I watched him up close..

[MultiTroll]

Only 3 minutes vs Phoenix.
What up with that, anybody got the scoop?

[SAGirl]

Only 3 minutes vs Phoenix.
What up with that, anybody got the scoop?
He's the 5ht big and probably situational... the bench bigs are playing well and Lamarcus wasn't rested (or any of the other bigs).

[Mr. Body]

Seeing how Anderson does. They're playing for the same spot.

[SAGirl]

Seeing how Anderson does. They're playing for the same spot.

That is incorrect bc Pop has played Bertans exclusively as a stretch 4. He has a clear niche and been very good at it. To play him you have to sit one of your other 2 PF (Lamarcus or Lee, one is a star and lee has played well).

Anderson was demoted to the 6th big in case of an emergency really. He has been a wing for probably 95% of the time this season and it is the spot he played in all the last few games. I wouldn't say they are playing for the same spot at all.

[Mr. Body]

The last two games I've seen them taking similar places in the rotation. Their games are different but he's trying them in the same rotation spot.

[SAGirl]

The last two games I've seen them taking similar places in the rotation. Their games are different but he's trying them in the same rotation spot.
Ok you see what you see... and this is leading nowhere.

Anderson has not played the 4 almost at all, except for one Dallas game Pop chose to sit guys and he did that on purpose (I suppose to test them both...)

Other than that Bertans has played every time there are minutes at the 4.

If you want him to play you have to sit Lee or LMA.. I don't think you are watching these games dude.

----
I will correct in case this comes up....
Strict garbage time.. strictly in garbage time, Pop slides guys all over like having Bertans at the 5 and Kyle at the 4... those lineups are not viable for a regular rotation and I would not count those minutes at all.

[Mr. Body]

Ok you see what you see... and this is leading nowhere.

Anderson has not played the 4 almost at all, except for one Dallas game Pop chose to sit guys and he did that on purpose (I suppose to test them both...)

Other than that Bertans has played every time there are minutes at the 4.

If you want him to play you have to sit Lee or LMA.. I don't think you are watching these games dude.

----
I will correct in case this comes up....
Strict garbage time.. strictly in garbage time, Pop slides guys all over like having Bertans at the 5 and Kyle at the 4... those lineups are not viable for a regular rotation and I would not count those minutes at all.

Dude, I don't care if they play different styles. That's not the point. I'm saying their spots in the rotation are the same. When one plays the other doesn't.

[BillMc]

Dude, I don't care if they play different styles. That's not the point. I'm saying their spots in the rotation are the same. When one plays the other doesn't.
Truth.

[SAGirl]

Dude, I don't care if they play different styles. That's not the point. I'm saying their spots in the rotation are the same. When one plays the other doesn't.
I disagree bc they don't play the same spots as I mentioned above.
But it doesn't matter.

You still need to sit one of the other bigs to play Bertans or one of the wings to play Anderson. Pop may not want to sit voluntarily for his rest patterns both a rotation big and wing at the same time. But the bulk of either guy's minutes have been wing injuries (Danny, Manu-rest) or big injuries (Dedmon knee, Lamarcus soreness). Since neither guy is guaranteed to play you may infer things just bc Pop is not resting Manu and Lamarcus at the same time but that probably has to do with how his veterans are feeling/whether they have issues or not. There have been games where it was unavoidable for both KA and Davis to play bc both Danny or Manu and some big had injuries for example. Kyle didn't start the season too well either and Bertans needed a few games to get confident.

You infer too much IMO.

[Robz4000]

:danceclub

[99 Problems]

Like Giannis of the second unit but with a beautiful 3 stroke. :wow

[cutewizard]

Like Giannis of the second unit but with a beautiful 3 stroke. :wow


:bobo

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tJYN-eG1zk

[T Park]

no reason at all he shouldn't play more minutes if Manu or Simmons is struggling. Zero.

[NASpurs]

GxprpSbiWq0

[BillMc]

GxprpSbiWq0


:toast Forget the Bonner comparisons, I want a new Dirk. (Okay, a little ambitious...:lol)

[UZER]

Bertans is a guy that is such an impact player you find minutes for him, period.

I think Pop has had him the in dog house long enough over the ejection incident. Stupid pop.

[BillMc]

Davis postgame http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/teams/spurs/2017/01/08/1483851269042-Bertans-Postgame-1.7.17-1104809

[YGWHI]

Like Giannis of the second unit but with a beautiful 3 stroke. :wow

And way tougher character and mentality.

No ones mess with Davis :ihit :flag:

[BillMc]

And way tougher character and mentality.

No ones mess with Davis :ihit :flag:
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/nS-JWrH672GF_NiIR47BObXRmnw=/1000x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7241377/Mad%20Max%20Fury%20Road%20Guitar%20Guy%20(Full%20S cenes)%20Good%20Quality_1_1.gif

[Spurtacular]

http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/04/05/40/1071129/3/1024x1024.jpg

Dude's a real dork; but whatever.

[bic50]

Always liked Bertrans.

[YGWHI]

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/nS-JWrH672GF_NiIR47BObXRmnw=/1000x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7241377/Mad%20Max%20Fury%20Road%20Guitar%20Guy%20(Full%20S cenes)%20Good%20Quality_1_1.gif

100% accurate version of Davis.


He's not just a tough and talented player, after this tweet, we know he's a nice guy, too.

817972273692999681
Well, done Davis. :tu

[BillMc]

100% accurate version of Davis.


He's not just a tough and talented player, after this tweet, we know he's a nice guy, too.

817972273692999681
Well, done Davis. :tu

Well said. :toastAnd good job Davis. The Red Mamba torch has been passed.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh1Mi1hElko

[r0drig0lac]

amazing

[playbonner15]

100% accurate version of Davis.


He's not just a tough and talented player, after this tweet, we know he's a nice guy, too.

817972273692999681
Well, done Davis. :tu
Red Mamba Jr :lol

[DJR210]

:lol Davis is pretty funny :tu

Dude looks to have a knack for drawing the four point play too

[Spurs9]

We need all these shooters running on all cylinders if we face the Warriors.

[r0drig0lac]

818163448064286720

[BillMc]

I'll repost this here for the curious. This is a Latvian speaker pronouncing Davis's full name. This is how it sounds in Riga.

https://forvo.com/word/d%C4%81vis_bert%C4%81ns/




And just for fun, here also is how to properly say Porzingis. The woman's voice is clearer.

https://forvo.com/word/kristaps_porzi%C5%86%C4%A3is/

New Yorkers will never get this. :lol

[Mr. Body]

818163448064286720

Not a surprise. He plays in blowouts, the Spurs haven't gotten blown out, so they're winning those games already. Also they haven't lost many games to begin with.

[FkLA]

I'll repost this here for the curious. This is a Latvian speaker pronouncing Davis's full name. This is how it sounds in Riga.

https://forvo.com/word/d%C4%81vis_bert%C4%81ns/




And just for fun, here also is how to properly say Porzingis. The woman's voice is clearer.

https://forvo.com/word/kristaps_porzi%C5%86%C4%A3is/

New Yorkers will never get this. :lol

Pretty much how a Spanish speaker would pronounce it, tbh.

[GSH]

818163448064286720


They're 13-3 in games where Bertans has played and scored 0 points. That's pretty good, too. They're only 3-4 in games where Bertans hasn't played at all.

Conclusion 1: Bertans should always get into the game.
Conclusion 2: Meaningless stat to begin with.

Should we start a poll?

[Mr. Body]

They're 13-3 in games where Bertans has played and scored 0 points. That's pretty good, too. They're only 3-4 in games where Bertans hasn't played at all.

Conclusion 1: Bertans should always get into the game.
Conclusion 2: Meaningless stat to begin with.

Should we start a poll?

It's like he only plays when the game is in hand or not in serious doubt.

[spursistan]

They're 13-3 in games where Bertans has played and scored 0 points. That's pretty good, too. They're only 3-4 in games where Bertans hasn't played at all.

Conclusion 1: Bertans should always get into the game.
Conclusion 2: Meaningless stat to begin with.

Should we start a poll?

Stein should stick to basic NBA news reporting..In-depth basketball analysis is not his thing..he is basically ESPN poor man's Woj..

[GSH]

Tom Orsborn: Bertans on athleticism being part of his game: “I try to keep it low key, so I can surprise people.” #Spurs 2 days ago – via Twitter tom_orsborn

Surprising people is going to get harder to do.

[cutewizard]

Can Bertans recruit Porzingis to the Spurs someday??

[BillMc]

Can Bertans recruit Porzingis to the Spurs someday??

sasaint and I have been joking about that in a couple of threads.

KP will get sick of Knicks mismanagement eventually and the Spurs are the "place to go" for foreign players, but the new CBA would mean Kristaps would leave a massive amount of money to get out of NY. Won't happen on his first big contract, and by the second Pop and our special SA team culture will likely be gone.

But, I'd like to see how Porzingis would develop on a real team with a real plan and coaching staff. Fraid the Melo influence will stunt his development.

[OrEmuN]

sasaint and I have been joking about that in a couple of threads.

KP will get sick of Knicks mismanagement eventually and the Spurs are the "place to go" for foreign players, but the new CBA would mean Kristaps would leave a massive amount of money to get out of NY. Won't happen on his first big contract, and by the second Pop and our special SA team culture will likely be gone.

But, I'd like to see how Porzingis would develop on a real team with a real plan and coaching staff. Fraid the Melo influence will stunt his development.

Hopefully Melo becomes jealous of Porz and tutor him to force a trade like how he did on Nuggets.

[sasaint]

sasaint and I have been joking about that in a couple of threads.

KP will get sick of Knicks mismanagement eventually and the Spurs are the "place to go" for foreign players, but the new CBA would mean Kristaps would leave a massive amount of money to get out of NY. Won't happen on his first big contract, and by the second Pop and our special SA team culture will likel be gone.

But, I'd like to see how Porzingis would develop on a real team with a real plan and coaching staff. Fraid the Melo influence will stunt his development.

Is that the Durant exception? I wish you or somebody who knows about the new CBA would start a thread to explain/outline its terms. That is absolutely one of the things I hate most about the NBA. The CBA/Salary Cap is so arcane. I wish it were as straightforward as the NFL.

[BillMc]

Hopefully Melo becomes jealous of Porz and tutor him to force a trade like how he did on Nuggets.

Haha. Yes. But how much better than to have Kawhi as an example of work ethic and access to Timmy for advice on life as big man, than Melo as an example. Ugh.

[BillMc]

Is that the Durant exception? I wish you or somebody who knows about the new CBA would start a thread to explain/outline its terms. That is absolutely one of the things I hate most about the NBA. The CBA/Salary Cap is so arcane. I wish it were as straightforward as the NFL.

I'm no cap expert - Chinook - but I think when he's in his 8th through 10th year (ie. second contract beyond his rookie) he can make 100 million more by staying in NY. And Pop will be gone then anyway.

No chance of KP playing for the Spurs in his prime save a massive trade. And only trading Kawhi could fetch him. Because KP is so young, not even LMA plus picks would do it. (Unless Phil is an idiot). Not gonna happen.

[spurtech09]

We need all these shooters running on all cylinders if we face the Warriors.

[sasaint]

I'm no cap expert - Chinook - but I think when he's in his 8th through 10th year (ie. second contract beyond his rookie) he can make 100 million more by staying in NY. And Pop will be gone then anyway.

No chance of KP playing for the Spurs in his prime save a massive trade. And only trading Kawhi could fetch him. Because KP is so young, not even LMA plus picks would do it. (Unless Phil is an idiot). Not gonna happen.

Yes, all jesting aside, Kristaps will never be a Spur. Phil is no idiot - just stubborn like Pop. However, I am not sure how much longer he will stay in NY. He and Pop are such rivals that each may be trying to outlast the other. I wouldn't be surprised, tbh.

[GSH]

Yes, all jesting aside, Kristaps will never be a Spur.


The Knicks could re-hire Isaiah Thomas as GM. It could happen. :lol

[sasaint]

The Knicks could re-hire Isaiah Thomas as GM. It could happen. :lol

:lmao

[Chinook]

Is that the Durant exception? I wish you or somebody who knows about the new CBA would start a thread to explain/outline its terms. That is absolutely one of the things I hate most about the NBA. The CBA/Salary Cap is so arcane. I wish it were as straightforward as the NFL.


I'm no cap expert - Chinook - but I think when he's in his 8th through 10th year (ie. second contract beyond his rookie) he can make 100 million more by staying in NY. And Pop will be gone then anyway.

No chance of KP playing for the Spurs in his prime save a massive trade. And only trading Kawhi could fetch him. Because KP is so young, not even LMA plus picks would do it. (Unless Phil is an idiot). Not gonna happen.

So Porzingis has to actual qualify for the Durant exception in order for him to be missing out on it. In that same way, Anthony Davis didn't really get more by extending with NO outside of the higher annual raises. He ended up not qualifying for the Rose-max. Kristaps would get more in that same way, but until he makes All-NBA teams or grabs some starting All-Star spots, he's not more than a regular max player whose team has Bird rights. The same is true of Cousins, I believe.

The general idea is true that most true star players probably aren't going to be hitting the market until their 12th-15th seasons.

[GSH]

So Porzingis has to actual qualify for the Durant exception in order for him to be missing out on it. In that same way, Anthony Davis didn't really get more by extending with NO outside of the higher annual raises. He ended up not qualifying for the Rose-max. Kristaps would get more in that same way, but until he makes All-NBA teams or grabs some starting All-Star spots, he's not more than a regular max player whose team has Bird rights. The same is true of Cousins, I believe.

The general idea is true that most true star players probably aren't going to be hitting the market until their 12th-15th seasons.

Wow, thanks for that. I hadn't looked at that bit at all yet. :toast

So, the AS voting is going to play a part in determining who are the super-highly compensated players? Any time there is a lot of money on the line, my radar starts looking for manipulation. Whether by league, teams, players, or all of the above. At the very least, I guess we can expect to see more players campaigning like 'Melo this year.

[BillMc]

So Porzingis has to actual qualify for the Durant exception in order for him to be missing out on it. In that same way, Anthony Davis didn't really get more by extending with NO outside of the higher annual raises. He ended up not qualifying for the Rose-max. Kristaps would get more in that same way, but until he makes All-NBA teams or grabs some starting All-Star spots, he's not more than a regular max player whose team has Bird rights. The same is true of Cousins, I believe.

The general idea is true that most true star players probably aren't going to be hitting the market until their 12th-15th seasons.

Many thanks.:toast Chinook with the goods per par.


Wow, thanks for that. I hadn't looked at that bit at all yet. :toast

So, the AS voting is going to play a part in determining who are the super-highly compensated players? Any time there is a lot of money on the line, my radar starts looking for manipulation. Whether by league, teams, players, or all of the above. At the very least, I guess we can expect to see more players campaigning like 'Melo this year.

Zaza going for the Durant exception.

[BillMc]

The Knicks could re-hire Isaiah Thomas as GM. It could happen. :lol
:lol

[objective]

Not a surprise. He plays in blowouts, the Spurs haven't gotten blown out, so they're winning those games already. Also they haven't lost many games to begin with.

Doesn't fit with the record.

In full context, it has little to do with blowouts.

I'll repost from another thread:


Only 2 of his 14 games of scoring games are from blowouts where he scored in the 4th of blowouts & didn't play in the 1st half, @GSW & vs TOR

Another 2 games had him play in the first half of competitive games but not score until the fourth and garbage time, vs. NOP, vs. BRK

1 game had him play in the first half, but not score until the fourth of a competitive game, vs. BOS, scoring when the Spurs were +7.

But he has 9 games where he played and scored in the first half of games, and the leads/deficits when he first scored were +0, +3, -4, -2, -14 @ Boston, -1, -10 @ MIL, -1, & -5

Contrary to conventional wisdom, he doesn't put up points in garage time.

[sasaint]

So Porzingis has to actual qualify for the Durant exception in order for him to be missing out on it. In that same way, Anthony Davis didn't really get more by extending with NO outside of the higher annual raises. He ended up not qualifying for the Rose-max. Kristaps would get more in that same way, but until he makes All-NBA teams or grabs some starting All-Star spots, he's not more than a regular max player whose team has Bird rights. The same is true of Cousins, I believe.

The general idea is true that most true star players probably aren't going to be hitting the market until their 12th-15th seasons.

You da man! :toast Thanks once again for sharing your knowledge!

[sasaint]

Many thanks.:toast Chinook with the goods per par.



Zaza going for the Durant exception.

:lmao

[Chinook]

Well don't pat me on the back too much. At best there's ambiguity over whether the player needs to be an All-Star starter or just make the team for the Durant-max. For the Rose-max, they definitely need to be a starter, and I'd imagine it would be the case with Durant-maxes, given the aforementioned change to voting. However, the most recent article about this I found on Google said this:


This CBA offers new incentive to superstars to stay home rather than fleeing during free agency, via what’s informally called the “Kevin Durant Rule,” which allows teams to offer sweeter deals to their franchise players so long as those players meet a set of extremely specific criteria. To reap the benefits of the Durant Rule, a player must have been in the league for eight or nine seasons in the league, and must be re-signing with the team that inked their rookie contract or took on that contract via trade. He must also satisfy one of the following conditions:

Make an All-NBA team the preceding season or two of the last three seasons
Win the MVP in the last three years
Win Defensive Player of the Year in the last three years

http://deadspin.com/the-nbas-new-kevin-durant-rule-will-incentivize-young-1790338477

So I'd wait for Coon to put something down in writing before running with my previous comment.

The part about getting the DPOY is interesting and makes me think that the Spurs had their own say in this rule. Or maybe that's something Draymond pushed for.

[BillMc]

Well don't pat me on the back too much. At best there's ambiguity over whether the player needs to be an All-Star starter or just make the team for the Durant-max. For the Rose-max, they definitely need to be a starter, and I'd imagine it would be the case with Durant-maxes, given the aforementioned change to voting. However, the most recent article about this I found on Google said this:

Make an All-NBA team the preceding season or two of the last three seasons
Win the MVP in the last three years
Win Defensive Player of the Year in the last three years

http://deadspin.com/the-nbas-new-kevin-durant-rule-will-incentivize-young-1790338477

So I'd wait for Coon to put something down in writing before running with my previous comment.

The part about getting the DPOY is interesting and makes me think that the Spurs had their own say in this rule. Or maybe that's something Draymond pushed for.

The article you cite doesn't mention All Star. It only mentions All NBA. Are you sure All Star appearances, be they starter or otherwise, are one of the conditions that would merit this exception?

Either way, good days to be Kawhi. Bad for OKC as Westbrook doesn't get clear until his 10th season, cutting their advantage on resigning him.

[Spurs9]

Not a surprise. He plays in blowouts, the Spurs haven't gotten blown out, so they're winning those games already. Also they haven't lost many games to begin with.
I'm sure with enough advanced analytics or stats one could try to make Anderson look impressive :lol

[timtonymanu]

Had a decent game today. Keep giving him the minutes from this point on.

[BillMc]

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14-1 now

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A24nLu_Ptc

[Ice009]

I don't understand why Pop pulled him for the last play. I saw balls, toughness, no fear on that shot he just missed. He's the type of player you want taking shots in crunch time. I can't believe Pop didn't give him a second chance at it.

[BillMc]

I don't understand why Pop pulled him for the last play. I saw balls, toughness, no fear on that shot he just missed. He's the type of player you want taking shots in crunch time. I can't believe Pop didn't give him a second chance at it.

I wish he had too.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I don't understand why Pop pulled him for the last play. I saw balls, toughness, no fear on that shot he just missed. He's the type of player you want taking shots in crunch time. I can't believe Pop didn't give him a second chance at it.

He's a rookie. Pop will live and die by his vets, TOSB or otherwise.

[r0drig0lac]

14-1 now

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smidepressed.gif

[8FOR!3]

I wish he had too.

I third this, thought he needed to be in the game. I'd almost be willing to bet he doesnt miss that shot twice.

[cd98]

I don't understand why Pop pulled him for the last play. I saw balls, toughness, no fear on that shot he just missed. He's the type of player you want taking shots in crunch time. I can't believe Pop didn't give him a second chance at it. Maybe he should have been there, but he had some awful turnovers in the third and maybe Pop didn't think he was ready for the moment.

[spurraider21]

He's a rookie. Pop will live and die by his vets, TOSB or otherwise.
And yet Bertans had a shot for the winner in the final 30 seconds :lol

[spursistan]

If Pop suddenly pull the plug on Bertans like he did with Simmons last year :lol ..

Davis deserves more minutes..he has a pretty established niche and he looks to be confident dude...I would argue he is even more ready to contribute than Splitter was 2011.

[dabom]

I love Bertans but he ain't gonna displace dedman or Lee. That's just it. That duo is playing good.

[ceperez]

The guy shoots really well. Probably better than Danny Green.

[jermaine]

I wish 2k would update him. He s in my starting lineup. Beside LMA.

[james evans]

Bertans would be a goddamn fool to re sign with us and spend his best years playing 25 minutes a game and resting on nights against lottery teams. And by the time his signing comes up, Parker and Ginobli will probably still be playing turning the ball over and going hero..

[james evans]

The guy shoots really well. Probably better than Danny Green.
PROBABLY??????

[r0drig0lac]

PROBABLY??????

[Mr. Body]

His mobility is surprising. Hope he can start collecting boards at some point.

[BillMc]

His mobility is surprising. Hope he can start collecting boards at some point.
If he does it will mainly be on the defensive glass, but even that is limited by thre Spurs emphasis on getting back. . On O they keep him out by the 3 point line. And they probably won't want him to add much bulk to spare his knee. Which means less banging underneath. So, probably we should temper those rebounding hopes a bit.

[BillMc]

I love Bertans but he ain't gonna displace dedman or Lee. That's just it. That duo is playing good.

Truth. I wonder if they can make him the backup 3, with Lee and Dedmom at the 4 and 5. Not sure he can guard 3s in the NBA but maybe the backups.

Longterm (i.e. Next season) best case scenario is hard to predict. He could be anything from the starting 4 with LMA as the 5 to a rotation backup to buried behind L & D. Good problem to have though.

[Kawhitstorm]

Davis deserves more minutes..he has a pretty established niche and he looks to be confident dude...I would argue he is even more ready to contribute than Splitter was 2011.

He should be playing against stretch 4s since Lee isn't comfortable guarding guys all the way at the 3 point line.

[r0drig0lac]

Truth. I wonder if they can make him the backup 3, with Lee and Dedmom at the 4 and 5. Not sure he can guard 3s in the NBA but maybe the backups.

Longterm (i.e. Next season) best case scenario is hard to predict. He could be anything from the starting 4 with LMA as the 5 to a rotation backup to buried behind L & D. Good problem to have though.

He would be at least an average defender, there is no case that he would be a bad defender, but he needs to get stronger

[dabom]

Truth. I wonder if they can make him the backup 3, with Lee and Dedmom at the 4 and 5. Not sure he can guard 3s in the NBA but maybe the backups.

Longterm (i.e. Next season) best case scenario is hard to predict. He could be anything from the starting 4 with LMA as the 5 to a rotation backup to buried behind L & D. Good problem to have though.

I wouldn't mind him being the backup 3 right now.

[spurraider21]

If he developed a turnaround shot he could annihilate any SF on the offensive end. Even as is, his high release means he can still get shots pff even if they close out better than 4's. The issue is defense, but as long as he's against a backup 3 it shouldn't be an issue

Whatever it takes, he should be getting more minutes

[cutewizard]

sasaint and I have been joking about that in a couple of threads.

KP will get sick of Knicks mismanagement eventually and the Spurs are the "place to go" for foreign players, but the new CBA would mean Kristaps would leave a massive amount of money to get out of NY. Won't happen on his first big contract, and by the second Pop and our special SA team culture will likely be gone.

But, I'd like to see how Porzingis would develop on a real team with a real plan and coaching staff. Fraid the Melo influence will stunt his development.

--------------------------------------------------------

:whine

[SpursIndonesia]

He should be playing against stretch 4s since Lee isn't comfortable guarding guys all the way at the 3 point line.

Should be a nice card to throw on Love over the match up against Cleveland, though he HAS to be complimented by strong rebounders around him in that scenario. Rest Manu & Lee, and see how the line up of Dedmon, Bertans, Anderson, Simmons, and Mills copes against Cavaliers's bench/portion of the starters time.

[Kawhitstorm]

Should be a nice card to throw on Love over the match up against Cleveland, though he HAS to be complimented by strong rebounders around him in that scenario. Rest Manu & Lee, and see how the line up of Dedmon, Bertans, Anderson, Simmons, and Mills copes against Cavaliers's bench/portion of the starters time.

Can probably put him on Dick Jefferson who plays as the backup 4.

[Drom John]

Kevin Pelton Chat

Luis (Los Angeles)


Who's the third top rookie in your opinion (assuming Embiid and Brogdon are numer 1 and 2)?
Kevin Pelton (3:48 PM)


I would probably go with Davis Bertans or one of the Knicks' rookies (Hernangomez and Kuzminskas).

[Mr. Body]

Kevin Pelton Chat

That doesn't say much for this year's rookie crop.

[ace3g]

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Davis Bertans now has 30 three-pointers on the year. He's just the ninth rookie in franchise history to hit 30+ threes in a season.

[Cklbmk]

Dudes gonna have a career best of 4 rebounds when its all said and done though

[DAF86]

Kid will be an all-star someday.

[Mr. Body]

Kid will be an all-star someday.

I don't see it. I do see a potentially superior role player and spot starter.

[DAF86]

I don't see it. I do see a potentially superior role player and spot starter.

So you don't see the potential on a 24 year old 6'10'' guy with atheticism, shooting, dribling, passing and the ability to create from himself and others? Ok.

[picnroll]

Love Bertans confidence and toughness.

[Mr. Body]

So you don't see the potential on a 24 year old 6'10'' guy with atheticism, shooting, dribling, passing and the ability to create from himself and others? Ok.

I see him as physically limited and not dominant enough to be an all-star, but I do see a superior role-player, possibly.

[picnroll]

skip

[DAF86]

I see him as physically limited and not dominant enough to be an all-star, but I do see a superior role-player, possibly.

Physically limited? :lol He's 6'10 and moves like a PG out there. :lol

[UZER]

Been saying it for awhile. don't know how else to say this dude needs minutes! Find them. Get him in there.

[Mr. Body]

Physically limited? :lol He's 6'10 and moves like a PG out there. :lol

He's a stick who may not put much weight on because of his knees and can't rebound to save his life. Dude, I think he's good.

[CGD]

Loved him out there! I always thought the comparison to Bonnie was completely unfair. This kid can pass, shows a little in between game, and can drive well. He also sacks up which I appreciate.