NBA Salary Cap Set

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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA · 50s51 seconds ago
The NBA salary cap has risen to $70M for the 2015-'16 season, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA · 15s15 seconds ago
The NBA's team tax level will be $84.7M, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[Marcus Bryant]

Good

[timvp]

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[Mugen]

Spurs get Aldridge, get David West to walk away from 11mil, re-sign Kawhi, get Danny Green to stay, Manu to come back, Timmy to come back, and Porky to work out again.

What a dream offseason tbh.

[BatManu20]

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[UNT Eagles 2016]

Does this mean we could have kept CuJo? Ah well... at least this makes 100% certain the last remaining good PG on the team will be back.

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that is higher then it was going to be

[dabom]

This means we can keep patty.

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Does this mean we could have kept CuJo? Ah well... at least this makes 100% certain the last remaining good PG on the team will be back.
for 30 million LOL

[Aztecfan03]

Does this mean we could have kept CuJo? Ah well... at least this makes 100% certain the last remaining good PG on the team will be back.
nope. not unless duncan took the minimum.

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Adrian Wojnarowski retweeted


Bobby Marks ‏@BobbyMarks42 · 2m2 minutes ago
Huge jump in cap and tax. Will benefit under the cap and tax teams big time. Not sure the total effect yet but it's a game changer for teams

[TXstbobcat]

Does this mean we could have kept CuJo? Ah well... at least this makes 100% certain the last remaining good PG on the team will be back.

Dont think the Spurs would have offered anything close to the deal Cojo got from the raptors.

[SnakeBoy]

So how much money do the Spurs have left to spend?

[DPG21920]

Guarantees Patty is staying (unless they can trade him for something they find more important - doubtful), that they won't pay tax (most likely that will be the case) & that they might be able to get a player back in the ATL trade for this year (assuming Tim might take a little less than the 6M reported)

[BatManu20]

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[TheGreatYacht]

Does this mean West can get more than Vet min?

[Aztecfan03]

So how much money do the Spurs have left to spend?
probably give any extra to duncan. if not, probably about a million dollars.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Dont think the Spurs would have offered anything close to the deal Cojo got from the raptors.

We actually could have, since we wouldn't have had to renounce the Larry Bird rights we had to him... not that we would have matched it, but we legally could have...

[Das Texan]

holy fuck.

good news!

[Mugen]

give the rest to Duncan.

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David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt · 2m2 minutes ago
$70M cap for '15-'16 even bigger than $69M number teams were working off of at start of the week. Means slightly bigger max deals for FAs.

[BatManu20]

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[UNT Eagles 2016]

Guarantees Patty is staying (unless they can trade him for something they find more important - doubtful), that they won't pay tax (most likely that will be the case) & that they might be able to get a player back in the ATL trade for this year (assuming Tim might take a little less than the 6M reported)

If anything from ATL, I want that tall young guy. But I really want Cady Lalanne on the team this year. He's big and a heck of a shot blocker (and a fouler, but so was Baynes). And we have a gaping hole at center, despite our armada of great PFs. Also, we're not trading away Patty, that would leave a black hole at the 1 position, and Manu is too old to play both PG and SG all the time.

[Aztecfan03]

Does this mean West can get more than Vet min?
don't think so. don't think we would be enough under the cap to fit a contract that is higher than vet. min.

[ddjeffries]

Go keep Patty now. WOW.

[TheGoldStandard]

Excellent news. Flexibility is such a great weapon

[TXstbobcat]

We actually could have, since we wouldn't have had to renounce the Larry Bird rights we had to him... not that we would have matched it, but we legally could have...

Kind of sad too see Cojo leave but happy for him getting such a great contract.

[baseline bum]

probably give any extra to duncan. if not, probably about a million dollars.

Aldridge and Leonard will get some extra too.

[Aztecfan03]

We actually could have, since we wouldn't have had to renounce the Larry Bird rights we had to him... not that we would have matched it, but we legally could have...
Pretty sure his bird rights were still too much. We were only able to keep patty because we thought cap was rising to 69.1

[murpjf88]

So does that mean the Spurs have the MLE as long as they hold off on resigning Duncan until after they use it? It worked for Cleveland.

[BatManu20]

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[TheGoldStandard]

Now to sign a 3rd pg, c, and SG/SF

[NickiRasgo]

Guarantees Patty is staying (unless they can trade him for something they find more important - doubtful), that they won't pay tax (most likely that will be the case) & that they might be able to get a player back in the ATL trade for this year (assuming Tim might take a little less than the 6M reported)

Hoping too. Like Tavares.

http://www.foxsports.com/south/story/report-hawks-agree-to-terms-with-7-foot-3-prospect-walter-tavares-070215

[DesignatedT]

So does that mean the Spurs have the MLE as long as they hold off on resigning Duncan until after they use it? It worked for Cleveland.

No.

[Mugen]

Tavares pls. Cmon Bud.

[Aztecfan03]

So does that mean the Spurs have the MLE as long as they hold off on resigning Duncan until after they use it? It worked for Cleveland.
No. DOn't even know how you got this idea but not even close.

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Tavares pls. Cmon Bud.

no thank you

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David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt · 47s48 seconds ago
Slight correction: players will get back $57.2M in shortfall payments, & will get back the 10% of their salaries placed in escrow for 14-15.

[Mugen]

stfu ducks

[milkyway21]

Can we still add a decent big ? I mean maybe not really as cheap as West, but who can really help Duncan in the middle..

[Aztecfan03]

MLE goes away with the signing of Aldridge. And DUncan needs to be signed before aldridge to get rid of his large cap hold. ANd if you use MLE before you sign ALdridge, you don't have the space to sign Aldridge.

[ElNono]

can we get Tiago back?

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David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt · 1m1 minute ago
And: max salaries for '15-'16:
0-6 years of service: $16,407,500
7-10 years: $19,689,000
10+ years: $22,970,500

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Losing Patty would have meant kissing the championship window goodbye...permanently. Even prime LeBron, Kareem, Duncan and Jordan wouldn't win many games 4 on 5 against other NBA teams.

[murpjf88]

MLE goes away with the signing of Aldridge. And DUncan needs to be signed before aldridge to get rid of his large cap hold. ANd if you use MLE before you sign ALdridge, you don't have the space to sign Aldridge.


Aldridge isn't signed yet.

[BatManu20]

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[DPG21920]

So for those interested in the new math for Kawhi & LMA's max deals:

Kawhi - 0-6 years - 25%
LMA - 6-10 years - 30%

So KL: 70M Cap * .94 = 65.8M * .25 = 16.45M
So LM: 70M Cap * .94 = 65.8M * .30 = 19.74M

[Aztecfan03]

Aldridge isn't signed yet.
You not read the last sentence.


http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Aztecfan03
(http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8104180#post8104180)MLE goes away with the signing of Aldridge. And DUncan needs to be signed before aldridge to get rid of his large cap hold. ANd if you use MLE before you sign ALdridge, you don't have the space to sign Aldridge.

[ElNono]

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So for those interested in the new math for Kawhi & LMA's max deals:

Kawhi - 0-6 years - 25%
LMA - 6-10 years - 30%

So KL: 70M Cap * .94 = 65.8M * .25 = 16.45M
So LM: 70M Cap * .94 = 65.8M * .30 = 19.74M

close enough :lol

[spursistan]

Pay Timothy Theodor Duncan !! Disgrace if we force another pay cut on him the way he carried our asses last year..

[DPG21920]

close enough :lol

:lol I just rounded up that .94. I don't know exactly what it works out to be (could work backwards) but it's close enough to make you dangerous.

[Russ]

Hoping too. Like Tavares.

http://www.foxsports.com/south/story/report-hawks-agree-to-terms-with-7-foot-3-prospect-walter-tavares-070215

Tavares looks so much better than those clangy Serbian clones that everyone seems to favor. Tavares actually has a chance to be an impact player -- a guy that big with those hands just doesn't come along very often. (And one of the reasons you may think he looks slow is just that he's so huge -- 7'3".)

[Aztecfan03]

:lol I just rounded up that .94. I don't know exactly what it works out to be (could work backwards) but it's close enough to make you dangerous.
this is what i got working backwards: 0.93757142857

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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA · 2m2 minutes ago
With new cap, LaMarcus Aldridge maximum contract with Spurs: Four-years, $84.1M.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Kawhi Leonard max contract with Spurs now: 5-years, $95.3M.

[look_at_g_shred]

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[BatManu20]

Get that money fellas.

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[Obi Juan Kenobi]

http://i.imgur.com/OKepHAA.gif

That never gets old... :lol

[DPG21920]

this is what i got working backwards: 0.93757142857

Looks right - I just rounded up for ease of doing business.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

this is what i got working backwards: 0.93757142857

3.1415926535897932

[DPG21920]

With the cap jump & assuming Tim stays at 6M as reported, SA can include Reggie Williams w/ Tiago and take back a small player. MaNu4Tres suggested someone like Kent Bazemore

[TheGoldStandard]

With the cap jump & assuming Tim stays at 6M as reported, SA can include Reggie Williams w/ Tiago and take back a small player. MaNu4Tres (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5714) suggested someone like Kent Bazemore

Bazemore has some balls.. We could live with that

[MaNu4Tres]

With the cap jump & assuming Tim stays at 6M as reported, SA can include Reggie Williams w/ Tiago and take back a small player. MaNu4Tres suggested someone like Kent Bazemore

He's expendable as well w/ the Justin Holliday signing and the trade for Tim Hardaway Jr.

Would love for it to happen, doubt it tho.

[Timothy21]

the only thing that changes is the salary of Duncan... he take more

[aal04]

Duncans not to crazy about money. If he wanted to, he could start getting sponsored and more into that marketting bs. Easily a lot more money for Duncan. Salary is more for boasting rights, which we know Tim doesnt give a chit about

[024]

Cool. This means the Spurs keep Mills for sure and Duncan gets his 6M. Also raises for Aldridge and Leonard.

[palangi]

He's expendable as well w/ the Justin Holliday signing and the trade for Tim Hardaway Jr.

Would love for it to happen, doubt it tho.

What if they are waiting to announce because Hardaway is the piece? Got to wait 30 days to trade him.

[lmbebo]

What if they are waiting to announce because Hardaway is the piece? Got to wait 30 days to trade him.

Don't think Hardaway is up for grabs. I think he's replacement(insurance) for Carroll who left.

[Mugen]

I'd rather Tim just get the remaining money.

[NASpurs]

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[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Impending: Kevin Seraphin to the Spurs for 1 yr/3m

[Timothy21]

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[Uriel]

Guarantees Patty is staying (unless they can trade him for something they find more important - doubtful), that they won't pay tax (most likely that will be the case) & that they might be able to get a player back in the ATL trade for this year (assuming Tim might take a little less than the 6M reported)
When will we know the full details of the Atlanta deal?

[DPG21920]

When will we know the full details of the Atlanta deal?

I would imagine tomorrow. Trade has to be finalized before they can sign LMA.

[look_at_g_shred]

Impending: Kevin Seraphin to the Spurs for 1 yr/3m
That would be great

[ChumpDumper]

Why did people think the Spurs couldn't keep Mills?

[Marcus Bryant]

Why did people think the Spurs couldn't keep Mills?

Probably due to previous reporting citing an assumed $67 mil cap.

[Aztecfan03]

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It didn't increase that much.

[ChumpDumper]

Probably due to previous reporting citing an assumed $67 mil cap.But he's already under contract.

[AFBlue]

But he's already under contract.

Keep Mills and still have enough room for an Aldridge max deal. Looked like he might have to be traded away along with Splitter.

[Aztecfan03]

Why did people think the Spurs couldn't keep Mills?
because tim at around 6 mil, aldridge max, and cap @67 didn't leave room for Mills to be kept around.

[ChumpDumper]

Well that's why I don't put all my eggs in the ST cap estimate basket. A team wouldn't have him recruit a free agent if he was going to be salary dumped the next week.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Atlanta trade terms will be interesting.

Also of interest is what exact understanding the Spurs have with Duncan. From what I understand the gist of it is a 2 year deal with the 2nd year partially guaranteed such that (assuming that this is Duncan's final season) he ends up with $10 mil for his last season. Presumably they could also get there with a 2 year $11 mil deal with most of the 2nd year guaranteed, if they needed more room this summer. Maybe that was a thought before West signed up for the vet min.

[FireMicoHalili]

to complete the trade for Splitter the Atlanta Hawks send....Austin Daye back to the Spurs

[Aztecfan03]

Well that's why I don't put all my eggs in the ST cap estimate basket. A team wouldn't have him recruit a free agent if he was going to be salary dumped the next week.
that was after an estimated increase to 69.1 mil

[ChumpDumper]

that was after an estimated increase to 69.1 milEstimated by whom?

Don't you guys think that actual NBA teams might have had a better handle on the cap number than we message board types?

I don't believe dumping Patty was ever in the cards once Duncan committed to his cut -- and I think that was done long ago.

[Russ]

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That's great news -- Duncan deserves at least that much.

[DPG21920]

Well that's why I don't put all my eggs in the ST cap estimate basket. A team wouldn't have him recruit a free agent if he was going to be salary dumped the next week.

Well, before that nugget came out, many were estimating off only the known cap amounts at the time. As more news broke, the variables changed - especially with that meeting/cap jump.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, before that nugget came out, many were estimating off only the known cap amounts at the time. As more news broke, the variables changed - especially with that meeting/cap jump.I know. It's just that these estimates are almost never right.

[DPG21920]

I know. It's just that these estimates are almost never right.

True - we should have known this year in particular might have an abnormally large change too. So much going on with money coming in and such. Hard to pin things down.

But same with Green - most national reporters kept saying that Spurs "likely" had to trade Tiago and let Green go to get LMA.

[ChumpDumper]

True - we should have known this year in particular might have an abnormally large change too. So much going on with money coming in and such. Hard to pin things down.

But same with Green - most national reporters kept saying that Spurs "likely" had to trade Tiago and let Green go to get LMA.So many grains of salt. i was pretty surprised with the quickness of the Splitter trade.

[DPG21920]

So I would imagine we know Tim's salary by tomorrow. Tim has to be the first to sign. Spurs need to sign him first to remove his cap hold - then finalize Tiago trade. Should know a lot more details tomorrow.

[GSH]

Guarantees Patty is staying (unless they can trade him for something they find more important - doubtful), that they won't pay tax (most likely that will be the case) & that they might be able to get a player back in the ATL trade for this year (assuming Tim might take a little less than the 6M reported)


Being able to afford to keep Patty is huge. I saw the first pre-season game last season, and my only comment was how much of a problem it was for him to be out. It's hard to imagine any player that would be more important, that the Spurs could afford. Now, I think, nobody has to wonder if they might have to move him for money purposes. The cap increase benefits every team, but I think the Spurs will make more of it than most.

I know the Spurs and Hawks have ties, but do you really think they would send any more help to a team that's already had such a field day this offseason? I didn't think West would sign for the min, so right about now I'm ready to believe that anything is possible.

[Holden_Caulfield]

why do people think patty is leaving? he was there during the first meeting with aldridge

[ChumpDumper]

why does people think patty is leaving? he was there during the first meeting with aldridgeRead above a bit.

[DPG21920]

Being able to afford to keep Patty is huge. I saw the first pre-season game last season, and my only comment was how much of a problem it was for him to be out. It's hard to imagine any player that would be more important, that the Spurs could afford. Now, I think, nobody has to wonder if they might have to move him for money purposes. The cap increase benefits every team, but I think the Spurs will make more of it than most.

I know the Spurs and Hawks have ties, but do you really think they would send any more help to a team that's already had such a field day this offseason? I didn't think West would sign for the min, so right about now I'm ready to believe that anything is possible.

I am not sure. On one level - it makes sense because Tiago is a really valuable player and it would be incredible if ATL just got him for nothing in return. On the other hand, they likely had some leverage since they knew SA had to do a trade of Splitter to go after LMA.

I wouldn't be surprised either way, but if I had to guess, I would imagine SA gets SOMETHING back - even if it's not a player for this year.

[GSH]

Estimated by whom?

Don't you guys think that actual NBA teams might have had a better handle on the cap number than we message board types?

I don't believe dumping Patty was ever in the cards once Duncan committed to his cut -- and I think that was done long ago.


I think when people hear something often enough, it seeps in. So many of the writers were so certain that Green might be on the trade block, and I think they started suggesting that maybe they could get by with "just" trading Patty. Just a guess. But most of the comments here probably have more to do with the articles/tweets out there than anything else.

[DPG21920]

For me personally, the Patty stuff stemmed from not banking on Tim taking small money and the inital salary cap. I was firmly on the Green is staying bandwagon though.

[GSH]

For me personally, the Patty stuff stemmed from not banking on Tim taking small money and the inital salary cap. I was firmly on the Green is staying bandwagon though.

And that, yeah. The idea of Tim playing for peanuts is still sort of alien. I know, one more ring, and all that. But it's still strange to think about him playing for a bargain.

[Spurtacular]

What is the difference between the cap and the luxury tax line? I thought that the cap was the luxury tax line....

[Chinook]

Well that's why I don't put all my eggs in the ST cap estimate basket. A team wouldn't have him recruit a free agent if he was going to be salary dumped the next week.

Needed to move more salary for a sign-and-trade or if Tim were inflexible with $6 Million. But the assumption hasn't been that Patty has needed to go for a while now. Probably since the Spurs moved Splitter separately

[Chinook]

So I would imagine we know Tim's salary by tomorrow. Tim has to be the first to sign. Spurs need to sign him first to remove his cap hold - then finalize Tiago trade. Should know a lot more details tomorrow.

The above tweet actually assumed he'd be last among folks using cap space. So after the Splitter trade and LMA.

[DPG21920]

The above tweet actually assumed he'd be last among folks using cap space. So after the Splitter trade and LMA.

What do you mean? Tim's cap hold is in the way, no?

[ChumpDumper]

Needed to move more salary for a sign-and-trade or if Tim were inflexible with $6 Million. But the assumption hasn't been that Patty has needed to go for a while now. Probably since the Spurs moved Splitter separatelyOnce it got to that, I couldn't see Duncan's forcing a Mills dump.

[Aztecfan03]

The above tweet actually assumed he'd be last among folks using cap space. So after the Splitter trade and LMA.
he'll use up what space there is, but he has to do it before aldridge signs because of his $15mil cap hold.

[Chinook]

Once it got to that, I couldn't see Duncan's forcing a Mills dump.

I didn't either, but that was also around the time Mills was meeting with LMA, so it as pretty obvious by then anyway.

[Chinook]

he'll use up what space there is, but he has to do it before aldridge signs because of his $15mil cap hold.

Or they could renounce him and sign him afterwards. Tweet gave Duncan the $100k overage that comes with the final signing.

[Chinook]

What do you mean? Tim's cap hold is in the way, no?

Looks like he was renounced

[DPG21920]

Looks like he was renounced

Didn't see that

[Yuixafun]

Speaking of Tony Parker... His pops and brother... plus other random, bruthas were at the Sushi Zushi I work at earlier this evening. I was looking for Tp to see his condition, but alas he is in France.

Oh well... I got to yell Japanese at his pops and bro as they strolle out the door. Man his dad is dapper.

[Aztecfan03]

Or they could renounce him and sign him afterwards. Tweet gave Duncan the $100k overage that comes with the final signing.
yeah. i guess that makes sense.

[Spurtacular]

What is the difference between the cap and the luxury tax line? I thought that the cap was the luxury tax line....

Alright if nobody's gonna spoon feed me....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap

There's a lot of shiz there; but I gleaned the differences.