San Antonio has agreed to a trade a future second-round pick for Ray McCallum

[Kyl3]

A lot of respect for both Ray and the Spurs going on at kings forum.

[milkyway21]

If only we can bump that game vs San in late February we can check how Spurstalk reacted to RayMac's 20-pt game..
We were so desperate to win during that time..almost at the bottom of the WC lol

[BatManu20]

George Karl giving Pop a solid.


More like Vlade Divac being a shit GM. But I digress.

[BatManu20]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0kF5Pvg51k

[milkyway21]

That's actually Doc Rivers otherwise Pop would have sign Mo Williams

Well, thanks Doc. :toast:

[spursistan]

good for 3rd stringer who will likely see 6-12 min max..I'm expecting a huge patty mills season and this guy won't be needed much..

[Lostwingman]

Parker stay be helping players get recruited. Was there any player last year that didn't score 20 on Parker?

There was probably a brick someone put in a sneaker that managed a sole tip-in tbh.

[dg7md]

Certainly better than CoJo. Really nice pickup.

[MI21]

This is a fantastic trade. He really isn't that dissimilar to Cory Joseph but comes a lot cheaper, obviously.

[Spurtacular]

RM is a poor man's Cojo. Spurs should've held on to their pick and found whatever summer league reject they needed to find, imo. That said, I think RM will work out well enough as a third stringer.

[Bruno]

Don't know enough of McCallum to say if it's a great trade but it surely can't be a bad trade given how little Spurs are giving up. This second round pick might even not be a true one with Spurs still having Hornet's top55 protected 2016 pick.

By my understating of the CBA, this deal doesn't even cost money to Tim because of different rules to calculate cap room for signing FA and trading rules when a team is under the cap.

[milkyway21]

I think what made Pop recruit Ray is his similarity to Lillard's game esp on pick n rolls...

His father must be happy he's a Spur now under the wings of Popovich & Manu/Parker

[sexinthatsx]

RD2191 I know you're a homer for Cojo, but honestly do you think he was worth 30 mil for 4 years?

[milkyway21]

Don't know enough of McCallum to say if it's a great trade but it surely can't be a bad trade given how little Spurs are giving up. This second round pick might even not be a true one with Spurs still having Hornet's top55 protected 2016 pick.

By my understating of the CBA, this deal doesn't even cost money to Tim because of different rules to calculate cap room for signing FA and trading rules when a team is under the cap.

:tu

[BillMc]

Yeah, he's a quick, penetrating, true PG.

Third PG was a bigger need than it might appear to be on the surface, given that Mills is essentially an SG on offense and isn't a good fit with the starting lineup. If/when Parker get's injured or needs a game off, the third PG needs to be a caretaker type that they can get away with starting.

Well said.

[BillMc]

More like Vlade Divac being a shit GM. But I digress.
:lol

[Chinook]

By my understating of the CBA, this deal doesn't even cost money to Tim because of different rules to calculate cap room for signing FA and trading rules when a team is under the cap.

I remember you saying that last year, but I didn't see in the CBA FAQ where the difference was. Would you be willing to clarify?

[Arcadian]

How does Mills feel about this? I wonder if he thought he would be the full-time backup PG when Joseph left. Hopefully there was a clear understanding between him and the coaching staff that he's more of a combo guard on this team.

[FireMicoHalili]

2nd rounder might come with condition that Spurs select for the Kings

[Sean Cagney]

Me and my little brother Nathan89 both agree he looks like the next Gary Payton.

One can only wish he is half that good...

[FireMicoHalili]

also he's a one-year rental? Not sure that's great considering it takes a while to adjust to Pop's Summertime kind of play. I'd say fair considering the Spurs might end up with the 59th/60th overall pick.

[Kawhitstorm]

RM is a poor man's Cojo. Spurs should've held on to their pick and found whatever summer league reject they needed to find, imo. That said, I think RM will work out well enough as a third stringer.

McCallum was the Summer league MVP last summer so he's already better than any summer league reject. Not to mention he outscored none other than Tony this past season in a h2h matchup.

[Chinook]

2nd rounder might come with condition that Spurs select for the Kings

Wanna say the Kings do all right with their second-rounders (IT, Whiteside). It's their first-rounders that end up being busts.

[Kawhitstorm]

also he's a one-year rental? Not sure that's great considering it takes a while to adjust to Pop's Summertime kind of play. I'd say fair considering the Spurs might end up with the 59th/60th overall pick.

His make or break will be next training camp. He will be apprenticing this upcoming season. At most, Pop might use him as an emergency starter (ala Kyle Anderson) just to have a ball handler on the court rather than having him calling/running sets. Otherwise, he will be learning on the job during garbage time & spending time w/ the Toros along w/ Kyle.

[BatManu20]

619018715124727808

[Kawhitstorm]

How does Mills feel about this? I wonder if he thought he would be the full-time backup PG when Joseph left. Hopefully there was a clear understanding between him and the coaching staff that he's more of a combo guard on this team.

Manu is the backup PG. McCallum is just a solid 3rd stringer.

[Kawhitstorm]

RM is a poor man's Cojo. Spurs should've held on to their pick and found whatever summer league reject they needed to find, imo. That said, I think RM will work out well enough as a third stringer.

CoJo's best asset was his defense which isn't McCallum's strong suits although their offensive arsenal is similar.

[Bruno]

I remember you saying that last year, but I didn't see in the CBA FAQ where the difference was. Would you be willing to clarify?

First, I'm not 100% of it because it has always seems weird to me.

When you sign a FA with cap space, you can't give him more the cap room.
When you trade while under the cap, you have to still be under the cap+$100K after the trade.
As a result, with a trade where you trade nothing for a player, you get a roster charge and $100K as extra room.

In Spurs case (to simplify I will say Duncan is signed after Aldridge while the opposite will likely happen but it change nothing for the first year of Tim's contract).

Spurs salaries after Aldridge signing:
Aldridge: $19,689,000
Parker: $13,437,500
Diaw: $7,500,000
Mills: $3,578,947
Anderson: $1,142,879
Green Hold: $7,647,500
Leonard Hold: $7,135,148
5 cap hold: 5* $525,093

For a total of $62,756,439

With the cap at $70M, there is $7,243,561 in cap room to give at Duncan.

Now if you do the McCallum trade after the Duncan signing, Spurs salaries will be :
Aldridge: $19,689,000
Parker: $13,437,500
Diaw: $7,500,000
Duncan: $7,243,561
Mills: $3,578,947
Anderson: $1,142,879
McCallum: $947,276
Green Hold: $7,647,500
Leonard Hold: $7,135,148
3 cap hold: 3* $525,093

For a total of $69,897,090 so the trade respect the CBa since Spurs stay below the cap + $100K.


it seems weird but I think it's how it works.

[KL2]

The Kings did all the dirty work for the Spurs with this kid. His first 2 years they spent developing him, giving him valuable minutes, letting him learn from his mistakes, let him get up shots, run the offense etc. Kings fans said he really improved as the season went on, they liked his potential.

This 3rd year could easily be his breakout year where he puts it all together, a lot like how Cojo came out of nowhere this year. SAC is a terrible franchise and the Spurs took full advantage of them and swooped him up.

I wonder if we'll see him at SG, he has serious athleticism and has good size.

[BillMc]

First, I'm not 100% of it because it has always seems weird to me.

When you sign a FA with cap space, you can't give him more the cap room.
When you trade while under the cap, you have to still be under the cap+$100K after the trade.
As a result, with a trade where you trade nothing for a player, you get a roster charge and $100K as extra room.

In Spurs case (to simplify I will say Duncan is signed after Aldridge while the opposite will likely happen but it change nothing for the first year of Tim's contract).

Spurs salaries after Aldridge signing:
Aldridge: $19,689,000
Parker: $13,437,500
Diaw: $7,500,000
Mills: $3,578,947
Anderson: $1,142,879
Green Hold: $7,647,500
Leonard Hold: $7,135,148
5 cap hold: 5* $525,093

For a total of $62,756,439

With the cap at $70M, there is $7,243,561 in cap room to give at Duncan.

Now if you do the McCallum trade after the Duncan signing, Spurs salaries will be :
Aldridge: $19,689,000
Parker: $13,437,500
Diaw: $7,500,000
Duncan: $7,243,561
Mills: $3,578,947
Anderson: $1,142,879
McCallum: $947,276
Green Hold: $7,647,500
Leonard Hold: $7,135,148
3 cap hold: 3* $525,093

For a total of $69,897,090 so the trade respect the CBa since Spurs stay below the cap + $100K.


it seems weird but I think it's how it works.

Cheers Bruno. :toast Thanks for the good info as always.

[T Park]

He's a coach's son, and has a gigantic bballiq. He's already one of pop's favorites out of the gate. He's like Eddie House but with a Brent Barry bball I q.

[99 Problems]

Had a plan for that future 2nd.

[Chinook]

First, I'm not 100% of it because it has always seems weird to me.

When you sign a FA with cap space, you can't give him more the cap room.
When you trade while under the cap, you have to still be under the cap+$100K after the trade.
As a result, with a trade where you trade nothing for a player, you get a roster charge and $100K as extra room.

In Spurs case (to simplify I will say Duncan is signed after Aldridge while the opposite will likely happen but it change nothing for the first year of Tim's contract).

Spurs salaries after Aldridge signing:
Aldridge: $19,689,000
Parker: $13,437,500
Diaw: $7,500,000
Mills: $3,578,947
Anderson: $1,142,879
Green Hold: $7,647,500
Leonard Hold: $7,135,148
5 cap hold: 5* $525,093

For a total of $62,756,439

With the cap at $70M, there is $7,243,561 in cap room to give at Duncan.

Now if you do the McCallum trade after the Duncan signing, Spurs salaries will be :
Aldridge: $19,689,000
Parker: $13,437,500
Diaw: $7,500,000
Duncan: $7,243,561
Mills: $3,578,947
Anderson: $1,142,879
McCallum: $947,276
Green Hold: $7,647,500
Leonard Hold: $7,135,148
3 cap hold: 3* $525,093

For a total of $69,897,090 so the trade respect the CBa since Spurs stay below the cap + $100K.


it seems weird but I think it's how it works.

I see. So the Spurs gain a bit over a million in your scenario because they drop two roster charges by inking Tim and acquiring McCallum.

[Aztecfan03]

Had a plan for that future 2nd.
A draft and stash?

[Bruno]

Cheers Bruno. :toast Thanks for the good info as always.

:toast :flag: :hat :)

[99 Problems]

Nice pick up. Has nice speed, composed, a jumper, finishes at the rim.

[hsxvvd]

All his highlights are him scoring... it seems like we have Patty to do that already... can he defend?

[Marcus Bryant]

So has the board put this guy in Springfield yet?

[Yuixafun]

I think Cutewizard has a rough draft blue print for his wing.

[eightG4]

Nothing that Engellland can't handled :wakeup

[eightG4]

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/ray-mccallum

Strengths: McCallum is a well-rounded "stat sheet stuffer" point guard who can both score and distribute ... Has good size and strength for his position, standing 6'1 and weighing a muscular 190 ... An excellent transition player, McCallum can both score and distribute on the break ... Has a high basketball IQ and knows how to get his teammates involved ... Makes up for his average speed with his ability to use his body to get open looks around the rim. Has excellent body control overall ... Can be a good scoring point guard (18.7 PPG last season) ... Very good ball handler ... A good floor general and a coach's son ... Draws a lot of contact and gets to the line at a high rate ... Underrated athlete who has a 40 inch vertical and deceptive explosiveness ... Solid, if not spectacular passing ability and floor vision ... Good at finding teammates cutting to the basket ... Quick hands (1.9 SPG) last season and good lateral quickness make him a solid defender ... Plays well without the ball, making sharp cuts to get good looks in the lane ... Rebounds well for a point guard (5.1 RPG last season) ... Despite playing in the Horizon League, performed well against good competition ... McCallum is a very durable player, as evidenced by 37 or more minutes in each of the last 14 games of the season ...

Weaknesses: Doesn't do any one thing particularly well, as there are several more talented shooters, playmakers, defenders, and athletes among this point guard class ... Needs to improve his shooting ability, as he shot only 32% from behind the 3pt line last season ... Shot low percentages on all jump shots ... Doesn't have great length or physical tools, which will limit him at the next level ... Has an awkward shooting motion and releases the ball somewhat slowly ... Is too prone to taking pull-up jumpers early in the shot clock, especially when he is not a particularly efficient spot-up shooter ... Needs to become a better free throw shooter. Shot just 72% from the line last year...

Nothing that Engelland can be afraid of.

[TrainOfThought5]

First, I'm not 100% of it because it has always seems weird to me.

When you sign a FA with cap space, you can't give him more the cap room.
When you trade while under the cap, you have to still be under the cap+$100K after the trade.
As a result, with a trade where you trade nothing for a player, you get a roster charge and $100K as extra room.

In Spurs case (to simplify I will say Duncan is signed after Aldridge while the opposite will likely happen but it change nothing for the first year of Tim's contract).

Spurs salaries after Aldridge signing:
Aldridge: $19,689,000
Parker: $13,437,500
Diaw: $7,500,000
Mills: $3,578,947
Anderson: $1,142,879
Green Hold: $7,647,500
Leonard Hold: $7,135,148
5 cap hold: 5* $525,093

For a total of $62,756,439

With the cap at $70M, there is $7,243,561 in cap room to give at Duncan.

Now if you do the McCallum trade after the Duncan signing, Spurs salaries will be :
Aldridge: $19,689,000
Parker: $13,437,500
Diaw: $7,500,000
Duncan: $7,243,561
Mills: $3,578,947
Anderson: $1,142,879
McCallum: $947,276
Green Hold: $7,647,500
Leonard Hold: $7,135,148
3 cap hold: 3* $525,093

For a total of $69,897,090 so the trade respect the CBa since Spurs stay below the cap + $100K.


it seems weird but I think it's how it works.

So who the hell did we trade splitter for?!?!

[hsxvvd]

That draft.net scouting report is very promising. Seems like a good fit.

[SPURt]

Better than any PG on the free agent market, RC is a walking surprise party!

[AFBlue]

http://giant.gfycat.com/HarmfulFreeBull.gif

4yrs $30M. Could. Not. Afford.

But I will miss him too. RIP CoJo-nes

[ceperez]

asked around, kings fans say his calling card is his defense. they also say the spurs are the perfect place for him to thrive (though tbh thats a trendy thing to say about virtually any lower tier player in the nba)

Great pick up then, Spurs need someone to cover the very quick guards like Westbrook. His 40 inch vertical and bulk should help him. Doesn't have length and can't shoot, but should be good enough to be a spark plug.

[AFBlue]

Good value pickup to address a lower roster need. Like many, I can't say I've read up on Ray much other than some pre-draft reports from a couple years back, but I trust the FO scouting department to have done their homework.

[DJR210]

So who the hell did we trade splitter for?!?!

Space to afford Aldridge guy

[Marcus Bryant]

Good move, limited commitment 1 yr/$1 mil.

Kings apparently trying to create cap space now. Look at the Kings when any of you jokers want to complain about this summer. Anyways, maybe Pop worked the Serb angle with Divac.

Still, perhaps it was something else....

Divac http://images3.kurir-info.rs/slika-900x608/vlade-divac-bolnica-cir-dvanaestopalacno-crevo-1368476879-309767.jpg Do you smoke?

McCallum http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/draft2013/headshot/McCallum-Ray.jpg Wha?...um, er....no.

Divac http://images3.kurir-info.rs/slika-900x608/vlade-divac-bolnica-cir-dvanaestopalacno-crevo-1368476879-309767.jpg You have been traded.

[ceperez]

The Kings did all the dirty work for the Spurs with this kid. His first 2 years they spent developing him, giving him valuable minutes, letting him learn from his mistakes, let him get up shots, run the offense etc. Kings fans said he really improved as the season went on, they liked his potential.

This 3rd year could easily be his breakout year where he puts it all together, a lot like how Cojo came out of nowhere this year. SAC is a terrible franchise and the Spurs took full advantage of them and swooped him up.

I wonder if we'll see him at SG, he has serious athleticism and has good size.

Crazy that the Kings made all the investment on him to then give him away for a Spurs 2nd round pick.

I guess they think they are loaded in the back court and can't keep his services after it expires in a year.

One year rental, but good insurance. Someone needs to play point guard when Parker is injured or resting.

Considering it cost next to nothing, Spurs win again!

[eDizzle20]

Great pickup! Hardly had to give up anything for him and now the Spurs insurance for Parker, not to mention he averaged over 20 mpg last season. The great offseason continues :toast

[TheCerebral1]

I'm waiting for Walter Taveras to be the PTBNL for Splitter! :D

[ceperez]

Spurs down to 2-3 roster spots.

Parker/Mills/McCallum
Green/Ginobili
Leonard/Anderson
Aldridge/Diaw
Duncan/West

Do Spurs need to waste a slot for Bonner? Spurs still need a backup center and a 3 point shooter.

[random21]

He had a pretty good month of April

DTE. OPP PTS AST STL
REGULAR SEASON-SAC
Wed 1 @HOU 14 6 1
Fri 3 NO 14 3 0
Sun 5 UTAH 8 7 4
Tue 7 MIN 13 4 2
Wed 8 @UTAH 3 2 2
Fri 10 OKC 17 4 1
Sun 12 @DEN 14 3 1
Mon 13 LAL 12 3 1
Wed 15 @LAL 19 6 3

[JMarkJohns]

Did I ever tell you you're my hatred? You're everything I wish I could be.

Mother fucker.

[spursparker9]

Did I ever tell you you're my hatred? You're everything I wish I could be.

Mother fucker.

http://media.giphy.com/media/s3Zug4SSIPt6M/giphy.gif

[ceperez]

He had a pretty good month of April

DTE. OPP PTS AST STL
REGULAR SEASON-SAC
Wed 1 @HOU 14 6 1
Fri 3 NO 14 3 0
Sun 5 UTAH 8 7 4
Tue 7 MIN 13 4 2
Wed 8 @UTAH 3 2 2
Fri 10 OKC 17 4 1
Sun 12 @DEN 14 3 1
Mon 13 LAL 12 3 1
Wed 15 @LAL 19 6 3



Head scratcher... why trade for a Spurs 2nd round pick? I guess desperate to clear cap space. oh well... Spurs lucked out again.

[JMarkJohns]

http://media.giphy.com/media/s3Zug4SSIPt6M/giphy.gif

I take it back. I don't wish I was you.

Creepy mother fucker-looking mother fucker.

[AFBlue]

Head scratcher... why trade for a Spurs 2nd round pick? I guess desperate to clear cap space. oh well... Spurs lucked out again.

Wanted to create cap space probably. Not sure where they sit now against the $70M cap, but that would be my guess.

[ceperez]

Wanted to create cap space probably. Not sure where they sit now against the $70M cap, but that would be my guess.

Kings likely looked at McCallum and concluded that he's not going to be an all-star so therefore he can be traded. Kings only want all-stars in their backcourt.

Here is McCallum scoring 20 points on the Spurs:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4dzDEEYzw

[vjcchs12]

great replacement for cojo. he is young and athletic to keep up with most other points and he has good size for guys like livingston. For a second round pick, can't beat it. Spurs front office does it again.

[ceperez]

great replacement for cojo. he is young and athletic to keep up with most other points and he has good size for guys like livingston. For a second round pick, can't beat it. Spurs front office does it again.

Livingston???? That guy is 6'7" ... what are you talking about?

[benefactor]

:tu

[vjcchs12]

if CoJo is banking 4/30 getting this guy for scraps is solid value

TRUE.

[spursparker9]

Patty probably the better long range shooter

But McCallum is the better passer, slasher and a good mid range shooter

[SpursFan86]

Am I missing something regarding his size? He came in at a shade over 6 foot without shoes (just under 6'2" with shoes) at the NBA draft combine in 2013. He was 22 at the time so I can't imagine he's done much, if any, growing since then. His wingspan was a little over 6'3".

I mean I'm still happy with this - just curious why I've seen several people comment on his size. Seems like a lot of people are implying it's a strength of his, and I'm not really seeing it.

[tholdren]

It's a good trade. This PG has lottery talent

[sammy]

Great pickup! Spurs got a steal! Can't wait for the season to start!

[LiSpurs516]

The King's SBNation page had a post about him in April of this year, basically saying he's too good to be a third string pg. But with Collison, Rondo and the development of Ben MClemore and Stauskas, the depth charts crowded. Solid pick up for a throw away pick, tbh.

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/4/4/8346041/the-kings-have-a-ray-mccallum-problem

[ceperez]

Am I missing something regarding his size? He came in at a shade over 6 foot without shoes (just under 6'2" with shoes) at the NBA draft combine in 2013. He was 22 at the time so I can't imagine he's done much, if any, growing since then. His wingspan was a little over 6'3".

I mean I'm still happy with this - just curious why I've seen several people comment on his size. Seems like a lot of people are implying it's a strength of his, and I'm not really seeing it.

He's listed at 6'3" but I don't buy that.

[SupremeGuy]

Solid pickup for a 2nd rounder, tbh.

Now let's find another wing and center, and call it a day.

[ceperez]

The King's SBNation page had a post about him in April of this year, basically saying he's too good to be a third string pg. But with Collison, Rondo and the development of Ben MClemore and Stauskas, the depth charts crowded. Solid pick up for a throw away pick, tbh.

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/4/4/8346041/the-kings-have-a-ray-mccallum-problem

Thanks for the article. Kings didn't have any need for his mediocre talents.

Well Kudos to PATFO, nobody in SpursTalk ever saw this coming!!!

[NASpurs]

The King's SBNation page had a post about him in April of this year, basically saying he's too good to be a third string pg. But with Collison, Rondo and the development of Ben MClemore and Stauskas, the depth charts crowded. Solid pick up for a throw away pick, tbh.

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/4/4/8346041/the-kings-have-a-ray-mccallum-problem

Stauskus was traded (well will be traded soon) to the Sixers.

[Mugen]

With the addition of Ray & DWest, Spurs should still lead the league in number of Caramel-African-Americans next season tbh.

[ceperez]

If one of Spurs draft picks did this in SL:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_UpAswiLLo

Spurstalk would be going crazy about him.

[NASpurs]

With the addition of Ray & DWest, Spurs should still lead the league in number of Caramel-African-Americans next season tbh.

In similar news, Manu is the only non-black guy left. :lol

Splitter, Beli, Baynes and possible Bonner are all gone.

[Mugen]

In similar news, Manu is the only non-black guy left. :lol

Splitter, Beli, Baynes and possible Bonner are all gone.

Timmy is probably the whitest guy on the team tbh.

[ceperez]

In similar news, Manu is the only non-black guy left. :lol

Splitter, Beli, Baynes and possible Bonner are all gone.

Well, Manu is hispanic, so we got to have Bonner back as a token representation of a white guy.

[Mugen]

:lol I'd like to see Ray try and move this boulder from the starting spot tbh:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_r0afWoAACBRJ.jpg

Jesus Christ.....

[NASpurs]

Well, Manu is hispanic, so we got to have Bonner back as a token representation of a white guy.

Manu's white bro, white Hispanics exist. Bonner is anglo which is another separate thing.

[NASpurs]

:lol I'd like to see Ray try and move this boulder from the starting spot tbh:


Jesus Christ.....

Jesus... I thought that was a picture of Ramona Shelburne.

[RD2191]

Jesus... I thought that was a picture of Ramona Shelburne.
I'm done.:lmao

[hater]

Staaaaaacked!


Yes Id like to see his D. CoJo had excellent D, I doubt this guy can even compare. But looks good nonetheless

[ceperez]

Manu's white bro, white Hispanics exist. Bonner is anglo which is another separate thing.

"White Hispanics exist" You can't be serious.

[BD24]

Good pickup I like it. Kid has a chance to be a good player in the future. Good get for a second rounder.

[RD2191]

Staaaaaacked!


Yes Id like to see his D. CoJo had excellent D, I doubt this guy can even compare. But looks good nonetheless
So you're asking to see his penis? Cojo had an excellent penis? His penis looks good? You're sick.

[NASpurs]

"White Hispanics exist" You can't be serious.

Are you retarded?

You would have thought someone with "perez" in their screen name would know better.

[Agloco]

Dude is trash.

He's a third string PG for this team. You expecting the second coming of Isiah Thomas?

[RD2191]

He's a third string PG for this team. You expecting the second coming of Isiah Thomas?
No, next question.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

"White Hispanics exist" You can't be serious.

Spanish and Italians and such are consider white. Hispanic are those that have Spanish ancestry but mingled with the local populous, which there are a lot in Central and South America.

But Manu is Italian descent, not Hispanic in anyway.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

This guy is listed at 6'3" with shoes and 6'2" w/o. He looks to be the same height as Parker. This is a great pickup for the Spurs for their 3rd string PG situation. Spurs are only lacking a swingman off the bench. Its probably going to be Butler or someone of the likes.

[LiSpurs516]

Stauskus was traded (well will be traded soon) to the Sixers.

Ah forgot about that, don't know why Vlade would ship him out then. They suggested McCallum is a bit of a combo guard don't see why they'd get rid of a kid with potential.

[ceperez]

Spanish and Italians and such are consider white. Hispanic are those that have Spanish ancestry but mingled with the local populous, which there are a lot in Central and South America.

But Manu is Italian descent, not Hispanic in anyway.

WTF? That's plain simple racist definition. Here is the official definition: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/05/28/whos-hispanic/

Being Hispanic has got absolutely nothing to do with race.

[hooperflash]

That #3 jersey sure has it's run with players that join the Spurs.

[R. Canterbury Buford]

RC just pulled the trigger on the next Westbrook. I was expecting a chip next year but with this move I think we can start to discuss a dynasty post Duncan.

[cd021]

Jesus... I thought that was a picture of Ramona Shelburne.

:lmao

ST throwing gut shots at Parker, damn.

[ceperez]

RC just pulled the trigger on the next Westbrook. I was expecting a chip next year but with this move I think we can start to discuss a dynasty post Duncan.

He's more athletic than CoJo and has better basketball IQ.

CoJo's problem was that he never learned how to run the offense.

Spurs just lucked out again and got an even better replacement!

[xellos88330]

Hmmmm.... I wonder if he can handle Westbrook with his size.

[cd021]

Ah forgot about that, don't know why Vlade would ship him out then. They suggested McCallum is a bit of a combo guard don't see why they'd get rid of a kid with potential.

Sacramento Kings doing Sacramento Kings things.

[ceperez]

Hmmmm.... I wonder if he can handle Westbrook with his size.

I don't think so, you have to play a taller player on Westbrook.

[Spurs9]

Sacramento Kings doing Sacramento Kings things.

Vevek

[Russ]

Am I missing something regarding his size? He came in at a shade over 6 foot without shoes (just under 6'2" with shoes) at the NBA draft combine in 2013. He was 22 at the time so I can't imagine he's done much, if any, growing since then. His wingspan was a little over 6'3".

I mean I'm still happy with this - just curious why I've seen several people comment on his size. Seems like a lot of people are implying it's a strength of his, and I'm not really seeing it.

For what it's worth, NBA.com has him at 6'3."

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203492/career/

[Strategic]

Karl wanting to do a solid for that Texas team that got crapped on by the Clippers. Oops

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Karl wanting to do a solid for that Texas team that got crapped on by the Clippers. Oops

He and Pop are friends. Just doing the Spurs a solid.

[Spurs Brazil]

Bobby Marks ‏@BobbyMarks42
For Ray McCallum his contract gets guaranteed if he is not waived by July 20. Not sure if that played into SAC moving him.

[lmbebo]

They got Rondo and Collison. maybe Andre Miller still? McCallum didn't fit in sac anymore.

[lmbebo]

Bobby Marks ‏@BobbyMarks42
For Ray McCallum his contract gets guaranteed if he is not waived by July 20. Not sure if that played into SAC moving him.

it may have been a salary dump ... But I think Spurs genuinely interested in him.

[ceperez]

it may have been a salary dump ... But I think Spurs genuinely interested in him.

Kings likely would have waived him for nothing. From their perspective, they got something that they otherwise would have received nothing.

Spurs get really lucky finding a good CoJo replacement. Just great timing being at the right place at the right time.

I doubt this kind of player gets waived by the Spurs. Spurs value players with work ethic and smarts. Athleticism is just icing on the cake.

[ChumpDumper]

it may have been a salary dump ... But I think Spurs genuinely interested in him.I don't see how it would have been a salary dump as noted above.

Hey may have been waived, but probably would have had his contract picked up by another team before the Spurs had a chance. The trade moved them to the front of the line.

[kobyz]

I think it's a good get, nice value for a second round pick, kid reminds me some Tyus Jones last NCAA final four MVP who just got drafted in first round...

[Chinook]

Really hoping the Spurs sent out that Charlotte pick.

[Chinook]

I don't see how it would have been a salary dump as noted above.

Hey may have been waived, but probably would have had his contract picked up by another team before the Spurs had a chance. The trade moved them to the front of the line.

How is that not a salary dump? Kings get a tiny asset for a guy instead of eating his salary. Hell, we don't even know if it's something. It could be the Hornets pick or an equally protected pick.

[TheDoctor]

Underrated aspect of acquiring McCallum is that the Spurs' roster stands now at 12 (minimum of players per roster) and that's including Williams.

Williams might be released tho'.

[ChumpDumper]

How is that not a salary dump? Kings get a tiny asset for a guy instead of eating his salary. Hell, we don't even know if it's something. It could be the Hornets pick or an equally protected pick.They could have just not paid him. As I said, the Spurs just cut in the waiver line.

[lmbebo]

They could have just not paid him. As I said, the Spurs just cut in the waiver line.

It was a salary dump by Sac. They could have waived him without eating salary, but they also got an asset for him without letting him go for nothing.

[ChumpDumper]

It was a salary dump by Sac. They could have waived him without eating salary, but they also got an asset for him without letting him go for nothing.Yeah, they dumped a nonguaranteed minimum salary.

Think of the savings!

[CGD]

Really hoping the Spurs sent out that Charlotte pick.

What's the deal there?

[ceperez]

They could have just not paid him. As I said, the Spurs just cut in the waiver line.

Shaking my head that the Kings would rather stick with declining players like Rondo and Andre Miller than develop talent.

I suspect that Kings think McCallum doesn't have anymore upside left.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Great move by the Spurs. McCallum has all kinds of potential. And as usual, no-one saw CIA Popford coming. :D

[ChumpDumper]

Shaking my head that the Kings would rather stick with declining players like Rondo and Andre Miller than develop talent.

I suspect that Kings think McCallum doesn't have anymore upside left.You're right.

It's a disaster.

[ceperez]

Great move by the Spurs. McCallum has all kinds of potential. And as usual, no-one saw CIA Popford coming. :D

The Spurs acquiring McCallum should have made the Kings staff think twice of the potential of being fleeced!

I would think that most NBA FO would avoid dealing with the Spurs just to avoid looking like a complete fool. Larry Bird must be really pissed about the Hill - Leonard trade.

[NASpurs]

Some quotes from his dad:

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/2015/07/09/ray-mccallum-san-antonio-spurs/29907759/?

Ray McCallum just hit the basketball lottery.

The young point guard is being traded from the Sacramento Kings to the San Antonio Spurs, with the teams also swapping a second-round pick.

His father, Ray McCallum, the Detroit Mercy basketball coach, confirmed the trade this morning.

"He called me last night, and he's in San Antonio now,'' McCallum said. "As long as he passes the physical, it'll happen. He's beyond excited.''

The Spurs have loaded up by signing LaMarcus Aldridge from Portland and also David West, who took almost an $11-million pay cut to join the Spurs.

"That's incredible,'' coach McCallum said of the money West gave up.

McCallum will replace Cory Joseph, who signed with the Toronto Raptors, in the Spurs' playing rotation. He will join a point guard rotation of Patty Mills and starter Tony Parker and get a chance to add an NBA title to his Horizon League tournament championship as a sophomore at UDM.

McCallum, 24, was drafted in the second round by the Kings in 2013, after being named Horizon League player of the year.

He averaged 6.9 points, 2.3 rebounds and 2.7 assists in 20 minutes per game this season, shooting 41.4% from the field and 32.9% from three-point land.

[lmbebo]

Yeah, they dumped a nonguaranteed minimum salary.

Think of the savings!

a dump is a dump. Reasoning behind it is whatever, but Sac wanted to remove his salary from the books.

[ceperez]

Some quotes from his dad:

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/2015/07/09/ray-mccallum-san-antonio-spurs/29907759/?

Ray McCallum just hit the basketball lottery.

The young point guard is being traded from the Sacramento Kings to the San Antonio Spurs, with the teams also swapping a second-round pick.

His father, Ray McCallum, the Detroit Mercy basketball coach, confirmed the trade this morning.

"He called me last night, and he's in San Antonio now,'' McCallum said. "As long as he passes the physical, it'll happen. He's beyond excited.''

The Spurs have loaded up by signing LaMarcus Aldridge from Portland and also David West, who took almost an $11-million pay cut to join the Spurs.

"That's incredible,'' coach McCallum said of the money West gave up.

McCallum will replace Cory Joseph, who signed with the Toronto Raptors, in the Spurs' playing rotation. He will join a point guard rotation of Patty Mills and starter Tony Parker and get a chance to add an NBA title to his Horizon League tournament championship as a sophomore at UDM.

McCallum, 24, was drafted in the second round by the Kings in 2013, after being named Horizon League player of the year.

He averaged 6.9 points, 2.3 rebounds and 2.7 assists in 20 minutes per game this season, shooting 41.4% from the field and 32.9% from three-point land.

Nice find! Talk about luck!

I thought that Spurs missed out on Bryce Cotton, but this McCallum is bigger and has almost the same vertical.

[Chinook]

They could have just not paid him. As I said, the Spurs just cut in the waiver line.

They get a trade exception this way.

[K...]

Ship his ass out! I'm not competing for minutes with a point guard who historically shits on me!

Could you at least do a French accent? This is pretty vanilla. Haha I'm porker, I say things like I will not pass,,I will eat, but get this......It's first person! Giggle giggle giggle.

[Chinook]

What's the deal there?

Top-55 protected in this draft. Nothing afterwards. So it's essentially nothing.

[ChumpDumper]

a dump is a dump. Reasoning behind it is whatever, but Sac wanted to remove his salary from the books.A non guarantee minimum salary.

Think of the savings! Vlade really pulled their fat out of the fire on that one. Would've hit the tax for sure.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

The Spurs acquiring McCallum should have made the Kings staff think twice of the potential of being fleeced!

I would think that most NBA FO would avoid dealing with the Spurs just to avoid looking like a complete fool. Larry Bird must be really pissed about the Hill - Leonard trade.

Yup. But the Kings' FO couldn't find their arse with both hands. They are almost outdoing KAHN!!!!! in the incompetence stakes at this point. :lmao

When they trade Dumbarcus they pass KAHN!!!!!.

[lmbebo]

A non guarantee minimum salary.

Think of the savings! Vlade really pulled their fat out of the fire on that one. Would've hit the tax for sure.

May not be significant but it is what it is.

[K...]

What's the deal there?

I think Chinook wants to make it top 50 protected. Not sure but I imagine Charlotte pick has better value if unprotected but is more likely to be protected. No matter what it's a good trade but it could be structured to be an absolute salary dump of the second round pick turns out to be heavily protected

[Blizzardwizard]

Hmmm...Well all I know is this guy has a killer crossover on 2k.

[littlecoyotecoin]

He's listed at 6'3" but I don't buy that.

Maybe not 6'3". But, he's huge in comparison to Bryce Cotton, who we were considering. He's not huge for the position, but big enough to be effective on a lot of guys. What's NOT to love about this trade. Great value. Parker may be able to finally rest some in the regular season. He's been playing too many minutes with Manu and Patty injuries. Rest for Parker would be so sweet. Freakin' awesome.

[ChumpDumper]

May not be significant but it is what it is.Insignificant.

[lmbebo]

Insignificant.

*shrug*

[ChumpDumper]

I think Chinook wants to make it top 50 protected. Not sure but I imagine Charlotte pick has better value if unprotected but is more likely to be protected. No matter what it's a good trade but it could be structured to be an absolute salary dump of the second round pick turns out to be heavily protectedImagine the outrage when spurfan finds out the Spurs won't be drafting another player they never heard of!

[100%duncan]

:lol I'd like to see Ray try and move this boulder from the starting spot tbh:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_r0afWoAACBRJ.jpg

Jesus Christ.....

:lmao

[Chinook]

Imagine the outrage when spurfan finds out the Spurs won't be drafting another player they never heard of!

The Charlotte second is not a useless pick, even though it'll never be conveyed. It allows the Spurs to trade for something without having to give an asset. Take this case for example.

[GSH]

Well anyone who gets sold outright for a second round draft pick can't be all bad. :lol

I'm searching for the old "Sign Ray McCallum" threads, but search must be broken.

[ChumpDumper]

The Charlotte second is not a useless pick, even though it'll never be conveyed. It allows the Spurs to trade for something without having to give an asset. Take this case for example.

Such conditions could be put on any pick.

[Chinook]

Such conditions could be put on any pick.

The Charlotte pick already has those conditions. So the Spurs don't have to put them on anything extra. Also, protecting the Spurs' pick for top-55 doesn't prevent it from being conveyed. They're expected to get a bottom-five second as it is. So it's not the same thing.

[ChumpDumper]

The Charlotte pick already has those conditions. So the Spurs don't have to put them on anything extra. Also, protecting the Spurs' pick for top-55 doesn't prevent it from being conveyed. They're expected to get a bottom-five second as it is. So it's not the same thing.Is that the only protection that can ever be applied?

[Robz4000]

Timmy is probably the whitest guy on the team tbh.

In b4 Luke Ridnour...

[Chinook]

Is that the only protection that can ever be applied?

For the Spurs on that pick? Yes. Top-55 is the max protection you can put, but you can also put negative protection (like 36-60 protected), but that has a pretty obvious downside.

[spurspokesman]

Kid can play. I assume he gets better in this system, solid get for the FO

[ArlingtonSpursFan]

Just saw this on Twitter:

Kevin Pelton ‏@kpelton 18m18 minutes ago

Good note from ESPN's indispensible Nick Silva: Ray McCallum must be acquired via cap room, so the Spurs lose $422K they can offer Duncan.

[bluebellmaniac]

Just saw this on Twitter:

Kevin Pelton ‏@kpelton 18m18 minutes ago

Good note from ESPN's indispensible Nick Silva: Ray McCallum must be acquired via cap room, so the Spurs lose $422K they can offer Duncan.

But as Bruno noted, by trading for him, one of the roster charges go away freeing up $500k and by signing TD first another roster charge goes away freeing up another $500k. So essentially no impact on TD's offer.

[ArlingtonSpursFan]

More explanation on Twitter:

Kevin Pelton ‏@kpelton 26m26 minutes ago

The "Minimum Player Salary Exception" for trades only applies to players on 1- or 2-year contracts. McCallum's in the 3rd year of his deal.

[Aztecfan03]

But as Bruno noted, by trading for him, one of the roster charges go away freeing up $500k and by signing TD first another roster charge goes away freeing up another $500k. So essentially no impact on TD's offer.
It is still 422k less to duncan because duncan's roster charge goes away when he is signed anyways and the 422 comes from 922-500.

[024]

I guess I can live with a poor man's Cojo. Spurs have a lot of molding left to do with McCallum. Maybe Engelland can help get McCallum's 3 point shot back.

[Chinook]

It is still 422k less to duncan because duncan's roster charge goes away when he is signed anyways and the 422 comes from 922-500.

It's not, because Tim can't be signed with the space that's used for his roster charge. There's no way to get that $525k, so he's not losing it.

[Aztecfan03]

It's not, because Tim can't be signed with the space that's used for his roster charge. There's no way to get that $525k, so he's not losing it.
that's even worse.

[bluebellmaniac]

that's even worse.

???

[SpurPadre]

I guess I can live with a poor man's Cojo. Spurs have a lot of molding left to do with McCallum. Maybe Engelland can help get McCallum's 3 point shot back.

Poor man's Cojo? Nope. They're on equal footing, pretty much. He's slightly better offensively and Cojo is slightly better defensively. Ray arguably has more upside.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol I'd like to see Ray try and move this boulder from the starting spot tbh:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_r0afWoAACBRJ.jpg

Jesus Christ.....
http://i.imgur.com/nrzXJGL.jpg

Poor Ray, tbh, he never stood a chance :(

[Chinook]

that's even worse.

How?

[Aztecfan03]

How?
You said we can't use that 525k of cap space.

[024]

Poor man's Cojo? Nope. They're on equal footing, pretty much. He's slightly better offensively and Cojo is slightly better defensively. Ray arguably has more upside.
I don't agree with that. Cojo is definitely more developed than McCallum. McCallum had a PER of 12.5, which is below league average. Cojo had an above the average PER of around 15. McCallum has a career FG% of 41% and FT% of 70%. Cojo is much more efficient than that.

That's not to say McCallum can't develop into a solid 3rd string point guard with the Spurs. But he still has work to do. At least he's not some D League player (but could be sent to Austin). McCallum has received NBA playing time for the past two years.

[bluebellmaniac]

You said we can't use that 525k of cap space.

It is used when you sign your required 13th player.

[Dex]

Excellent pick up for a 3rd PG and injury insurance for Parker and Mills.

Considering people were already trying to make the case for Bertans to fill that void, I'd much rather take an established NBA player with upside who has been stuck in basketball hell for two years. Kid has to be hungry.

[bluebellmaniac]

I don't agree with that. Cojo is definitely more developed than McCallum. McCallum had a PER of 12.5, which is below league average. Cojo had an above the average PER of around 15. McCallum has a career FG% of 41% and FT% of 70%. Cojo is much more efficient than that.

That's not to say McCallum can't develop into a solid 3rd string point guard with the Spurs. But he still has work to do. At least he's not some D League player (but could be sent to Austin). McCallum has received NBA playing time for the past two years.

If Cojo had been in Sac town and McCallum on the Spurs last year, one could easily imagine those PERs being reversed. We shall see how Ray does in our system. But expect a significant rise in PER. At least a couple points.

[Chinook]

You said we can't use that 525k of cap space.

On Tim. That's true no matter what. After Tim signs, that cap space can be used on someone else (McCallum in this case).

[Chinook]

If Cojo had been in Sac town and McCallum on the Spurs last year, one could easily imagine those PERs being reversed. We shall see how Ray does in our system. But expect a significant rise in PER. At least a couple points.

McCallum is older than Joseph, so I don't see why you'd assume he'd have more upside. Not to mention that Cory is bigger and more athletic and can get his own shot better than Ray (from what I've seen) can. I don't think it's close.

[Aztecfan03]

On Tim. That's true no matter what. After Tim signs, that cap space can be used on someone else (McCallum in this case).
oh. ok. that's kind of strange.

[Aztecfan03]

Any word on what pick we gave yet. Maybe with these trades(and their protections), we'll eventually just end up with Mccallum for splitter, basically.

[SpurPadre]

I don't agree with that. Cojo is definitely more developed than McCallum. McCallum had a PER of 12.5, which is below league average. Cojo had an above the average PER of around 15. McCallum has a career FG% of 41% and FT% of 70%. Cojo is much more efficient than that.

That's not to say McCallum can't develop into a solid 3rd string point guard with the Spurs. But he still has work to do. At least he's not some D League player (but could be sent to Austin). McCallum has received NBA playing time for the past two years.

Yeah, I know about the PER and RPM numbers but consider the terrible team McCallum played for with the Kings. And his usage rate was higher than CoJo's. In terms of skill level, I think Ray has slightly more talent and Pop with his staff will surely mold Ray to maximize his ability as a third-string PG. We'll see.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Yeah, I know about the PER and RPM numbers but consider the terrible team McCallum played for with the Kings. And his usage rate was higher than CoJo's. In terms of skill level, I think Ray has slightly more talent and Pop with his staff will surely mold Ray to maximize his ability as a third-string PG. We'll see.

That's what its all about. 3rd string PG making the League minimum and having upside as well. Better than paying your 3rd string PG 7mil+ a year.

[SpurPadre]

McCallum is older than Joseph, so I don't see why you'd assume he'd have more upside. Not to mention that Cory is bigger and more athletic and can get his own shot better than Ray (from what I've seen) can. I don't think it's close.

We're talking about a couple of months older. Also, McCallum outweighs CoJo by 5 pounds and from the many games I've seen from him, he can get to the basket easier than CoJo.

[Chinook]

oh. ok. that's kind of strange.

The point of roster charges is to lock up cap space so that you have to account for 12 contracts before using space to sign anyone. The Spurs have seven contracts in this scenario, so they have five roster charges, locking up $$2.625 Million in cap space. The Spurs could sign Tim with the remainder (about $7.2 Million). That would make 13 contracts, so one of the hold drops, and $525k or "actual" cap space opens up.

Now he's where it gets fuzzy. For trades using cap space, the only thing that matters is that the total salary is under the cap (with a $100k buffer) when they end. So trading for McCallum kills a roster charge in the same way Duncan's signing would, freeing up $525k more. That gives a total of $1.15 Million in space for McCallum to fit into, which he does.

But this is moot, since Tim didn't take the max he could have, even in light of these moves.

[Chinook]

We're talking about a couple of months older. Also, McCallum outweighs CoJo by 5 pounds and from the many games I've seen from him, he can get to the basket easier than CoJo.

I haven't seen that at all. I definitely haven't seen the same explosion from him, or the same repertoire of moves to get to the basket.

[Plum Island]

http://i.imgur.com/nrzXJGL.jpg

Poor Ray, tbh, he never stood a chance :(
Ha ha ha! Loved that show... I still watch reruns.

[RD2191]

Ha ha ha! Loved that show... I still watch reruns.
Right you are Ken.

[ceperez]

McCallum is older than Joseph, so I don't see why you'd assume he'd have more upside. Not to mention that Cory is bigger and more athletic and can get his own shot better than Ray (from what I've seen) can. I don't think it's close.

I'm sorry, McCallum is going to be a better player than CoJo. He's just got better handles and a lot more athleticism.

Besides, both are suspect in the 3 point line. CoJo doesn't have the luxury of Chip coaching him now!

[Plum Island]

Right you are Ken.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/e4a4c90fef5d492daffa27a30ffdad7e/tumblr_mr3utbb3kf1rgcqrbo1_400.gif

tbh...

[BatManu20]

619242704317231105

[timtonymanu]

I expect him to be starting the 2nd half of a playoff game for us at some point while another player quits.

[HarlemHeat37]

I've disliked Joseph's game as much as anybody here throughout the years, but he is far better than McCallum, probably not even close, tbh..

[wildbill2u]

I wish there were a youtube video of his defense.

yeah, these offensive highlights are nice, but can he defend would be better to know IMO

[SpursFan86]

From all accounts, he's at least a capable defender. Not sure he'll be as good as/better than CoJo, but I'm fairly certain he'll be better than Parker/Mills.

[Chinook]

I've disliked Joseph's game as much as anybody here throughout the years, but he is far better than McCallum, probably not even close, tbh..

Yeah, people are being silly. Joseph played great as a starter. McCallum may be able to get there, but it's not likely, and he doesn't have the same upside. Like not at all.

Wonder if the Spurs traded the Hawks' 2017 second for McCallum?

[Dex]

Yeah, people are being silly. Joseph played great as a starter. McCallum may be able to get there, but it's not likely, and he doesn't have the same upside. Like not at all.

Wonder if the Spurs traded the Hawks' 2017 second for McCallum?

Tell me more about this supposed upside to Joseph that he failed to realize in his four-year tenure in San Antonio.

I saw Joseph play not only with the Spurs, but also watched him a ton up here in Austin. The dude was at his ceiling. Sure, he improved his jump shot, but not enough to keep opponents from sagging off him. His defense was good, but highly overrated imo. He couldn't finish at the rim. He could hit the the three in the DLeague, but was afraid to shoot it in the big show. Everybody praised his ability to run the offense, but the motion still came to a screeching halt when he came in because teams could defend the Spurs 5-on-4.

His dunk on Ibaka was amazing, but that is not nearly enough to justify the money he was going for.

[spurraider21]

:corn:

[SpursFan86]

I don't think anyone is arguing that CoJo is worth the contract he got. Just arguing against the notion that we McCallum is essentially just as good as Joseph.

[HarlemHeat37]

The reason I disliked Joseph is because I think he's a relatively poor off-ball player that doesn't fit well with Parker and Ginobili, mostly due to his reluctance to shoot, particularly from the 3-point line..

I would actually be really surprised if he doesn't thrive in Toronto as the primary ball-handler in the 2nd unit, he's going to put up nice numbers IMO..everybody has this silly idea that everybody fits seamlessly in the Spurs system and that's the reason they look good, but Joseph is a player that was held back by the system IMO, and I say that as a guy that has been constantly refered to as a "Cojo hater" here..

He reminds me a lot of Jeremy Lin, similar build and style of play, and they both need the ball to thrive and play their game..

[Chinook]

Tell me more about this supposed upside to Joseph that he failed to realize in his four-year tenure in San Antonio.

I saw Joseph play not only with the Spurs, but also watched him a ton up here in Austin. The dude was at his ceiling. Sure, he improved his jump shot, but not enough to keep opponents from sagging off him. His defense was good, but highly overrated imo. He couldn't finish at the rim. He could hit the the three in the DLeague, but was afraid to shoot it in the big show. Everybody praised his ability to run the offense, but the motion still came to a screeching halt when he came in because teams could defend the Spurs 5-on-4.

His dunk on Ibaka was amazing, but that is not nearly enough to justify the money he was going for.

First, watching him at UT doesn't matter. Four years in SA is more than good enough.

Second, Joseph's upside is that he can get his shot whenever he wants. He has the handle and the moves to get to his spots and punish a defense. That was something he did consistently when he was in charge of the offense. What he never really did was learn to play off the ball, which despite what some posters are saying, still plagues McCallum. Neither one is a good enough shooter to guard heavily, but Cory will burn you one-on-one. He's also more explosive at the rim, and he's better an making contested finishes.

So what does McCallum really have besides the fact that he was good in the summer league and burned the Spurs that one time? What really makes him better? He's smaller, older, has the same weaknesses and not a strong of strengths. I'm fine with the idea of money-balling Cory and getting a good player. But let's be real here. Dude's a third-stringer. That's why a team that's gone through so many starting PGs recently didn't give him the ball.

[ElNono]

So what does McCallum really have besides the fact that he was good in the summer league and burned the Spurs that one time? What really makes him better? He's smaller, older, has the same weaknesses and not a strong of strengths. I'm fine with the idea of money-balling Cory and getting a good player. But let's be real here. Dude's a third-stringer. That's why a team that's gone through so many starting PGs recently didn't give him the ball.

He's cheaper, that's about it. But it's a good pickup at that price range, and the Spurs are simply tight money-wise.

[timvp]

It'd be nice if the Spurs got McCallum to play in Vegas. It probably won't happen but with Nate Wolters injured and no other interesting PG prospects, that would a good way to introduce him to the system and get his feet wet.

[ceperez]

It'd be nice if the Spurs got McCallum to play in Vegas. It probably won't happen but with Nate Wolters injured and no other interesting PG prospects, that would a good way to introduce him to the system and get his feet wet.

Is he still eligible to play in the D-league?

I'm really relieved that Spurs found a backup point guard. I doubt Parker will play the entire regular season.

I also seriously doubt seeing Leonard playing the entire regular season. Kyle Anderson has to back him up or some other athletic SF.

The guys I expect to be healthy throughout the entire year are:

Mills
McCallum
Green
Aldridge
Diaw

Everyone else is injury prone or old enough to require rest.

[BatManu20]

619270217412145152

[spursgu]

619270217412145152

So the Spurs and Kings pretty much swap two players with the same jersey #.

[spursince#99]

McCallum is older than Joseph, so I don't see why you'd assume he'd have more upside. Not to mention that Cory is bigger and more athletic and can get his own shot better than Ray (from what I've seen) can. I don't think it's close.


This post is so, so inaccurate. Post less.

[lmbebo]

This post is so, so inaccurate. Post less.

lol

What matter is that Ray costs a lot less than CoJo. Cojo earned his pay day.

[TrainOfThought5]

The reason I disliked Joseph is because I think he's a relatively poor off-ball player that doesn't fit well with Parker and Ginobili, mostly due to his reluctance to shoot, particularly from the 3-point line..

I would actually be really surprised if he doesn't thrive in Toronto as the primary ball-handler in the 2nd unit, he's going to put up nice numbers IMO..everybody has this silly idea that everybody fits seamlessly in the Spurs system and that's the reason they look good, but Joseph is a player that was held back by the system IMO, and I say that as a guy that has been constantly refered to as a "Cojo hater" here..

He reminds me a lot of Jeremy Lin, similar build and style of play, and they both need the ball to thrive and play their game..

I actually agree with this. Cojo will turn some heads in Toronto. Still not worth 7 mil for the spurs. But he'll do well and im rootong for him.

[spursgu]

I guess the Spurs could have done worse, but I agree that Joseph was a much better player than McCallum so I don't expect this kid to stand out immediately.

[TheGoldStandard]

McCallum might create better chemistry with his 3rd unit chums

[Vic Petro]

The Deal (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13225247/san-antonio-spurs-acquire-ray-mccallum-sacramento-kings)

Spurs get: Guard Ray McCallum (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2528447/ray-mccallum)
Kings get: Future second-round pick
San Antonio Spurs (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs): C+

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/sa.png?w=80&h=80&transparent=trueThe Spurs are limited to minimum-salary players to fill out their roster, and McCallum qualifies in the final season of the three-year deal he signed as a second-round pick in 2013. Essentially, San Antonio is choosing McCallum over a free agent signed for the minimum, and that's an understandable decision. He's just 24 and has plenty of NBA experience, having played more than 2,000 minutes over his two seasons in Sacramento.
Alas, at the end of that span it's still not clear what McCallum's NBA skill is. He's been productive each of the last two Aprils as a starter. He averaged 12.7 points, 4.6 points rebounds and 4.2 assists in nine games in April 2015, but that's come in extended minutes (33.4 per game) with the ball primarily in his hands. That won't be McCallum's role with the Spurs.
McCallum hasn't been effective enough as a playmaker to consider him a full-time point guard. And after showing promise from 3-point range as a rookie (37.3 percent), he regressed to 30.6 percent shooting in a larger sample size in year two, making it tough to play McCallum off the ball. He's also been vulnerable to post-ups when defending shooting guards. McCallum stands a quarter-inch over 6 feet without shoes and has a 6-3 1/4 wingspan, meaning he doesn't have the same defensive versatility as the departed Cory Joseph (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6446/cory-joseph). I can't quite buy McCallum as a replacement for Joseph in anything but a roster sense.
Ultimately, if it were anyone besides San Antonio acquiring a player who ranked81st among point guards in ESPN's real plus-minus last season (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/3/sort/RPM/position/1), I doubt there would be this much excitement. Given the cost, there's no downside to this deal for the Spurs. I just don't see a great deal of upside either.


Sacramento Kings (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/sac/sacramento-kings): C+

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/sac.png?w=80&h=80&transparent=true
Having signed Rajon Rondo (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo) to go along with incumbent starterDarren Collison (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3973/darren-collison) at point guard, the Kings were probably thinking of waiving McCallum before his contract became $200,000 guaranteed on July 12. (His 2015-16 salary will become fully guaranteed on July 20, per Mark Deeks (http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/2014/kings.jsp).) In that case, getting anything in return is a positive for Sacramento.



http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/13226129/nba-spurs-add-point-guard-depth-getting-ray-mccallum-kings

[spursince#99]

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/13226129/nba-spurs-add-point-guard-depth-getting-ray-mccallum-kings

The fuck? Laugh out loud.

[K...]

The fuck? Laugh out loud.

They fell for the ol "advanced stats without context" trap, read earlier in this thread and you'll see it

[SAGirl]

Underrated aspect of acquiring McCallum is that the Spurs' roster stands now at 12 (minimum of players per roster) and that's including Williams.

Williams might be released tho'. Am I the only one hoping Williams gets waived? He's just insurance for wing player depth, but he was very very bad last year. The Spurs waived Daye to pick him up and to be honest, I think he might have been worse or about the same. For a shooter, he didn't shoot well. I would have rather had JArrel Eddie or some other, younger dleaguer. I'd rather see any other shooter.

[HI-FI]

Jesus... I thought that was a picture of Ramona Shelburne.
She's got better court vision iirc.

[RD2191]

She's got better court vision iirc.
:lol

[spursince#99]

They fell for the ol "advanced stats without context" trap, read earlier in this thread and you'll see it

It's so illogical.

[TD 21]

First of all, he's not really a natural point guard. McCallum is more of a shooting guard in a point guard body. But, hey, it works for Patty Mills and with the return of Ginobili, the backup point guard really doesn't need to be a playmaker with natural passing acuity.

McCallum has good size (I'd say he's solidly built ~6-foot-2) for a point guard and pretty good athleticism. The Kings never really had him play much defense but he has the tools succeed. He won't be as good as Joseph on D but it wouldn't be a surprise if he becomes the best defensive PG on the team.

Why he might be even a better fit than Joseph is that he can shoot threes. And not only wide open threes, he could become the type of volume three-point shooter who can knock down contested looks. He slumped on three-pointers last year but going for the Kings to the Spurs will result in much better looks, which should elevate that percentage.

He is, in the sense that he can't credibly defend SG's or essentially play SG on offense. Ginobili is ancient, Parker is old and neither is particularly durable, so the third PG needs to at least be a caretaker type.

He's over listed and doesn't have as good of size as the listings suggest, as SpursFan8six alluded to.

The jury's out on whether he can shoot threes. He shot it well, with limited volume as a rookie, then shot it poorly, with higher albeit still limited volume as a sophomore. Before that, he had the rep as a sub par outside shooter.

[BatManu20]

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[Obstructed_View]

I guess the Spurs could have done worse, but I agree that Joseph was a much better player than McCallum so I don't expect this kid to stand out immediately.

Since Joseph was not a stand out player, I don't think the bar is set particularly high. His production is very close to what Joseph gave and the Spurs didn't have to pay Joseph money to get it.

[Chinook]

He's cheaper, that's about it. But it's a good pickup at that price range, and the Spurs are simply tight money-wise.

Definitely. And he may even get a more consistent role, since Parker is only going to get older. But it's very hard to say he's actually a better basketball player with a straight face. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cory end up as the starting PG for Toronto by the end of next season. And I'll think he'll put up good numbers, even though he'll also struggle at times adjusting.

[DesignatedT]

I think Cory will have a breakout season next year and people will realize that he's probably a better basketball player but for what the Spurs ask out of their third string PG, no reason to think McCallum can't do the same things and do just as good a job as Cory learned to do over time. Seems like a smart kid and a hard worker and it looks like he has the necessary tools from a basketball standpoint.

[ceperez]

I think Cory will have a breakout season next year and people will realize that he's probably a better basketball player but for what the Spurs ask out of their third string PG, no reason to think McCallum can't do the same things and do just as good a job as Cory learned to do over time. Seems like a smart kid and a hard worker and it looks like he has the necessary tools from a basketball standpoint.

I think he's good enough. Not championship calibre, but good enough to even start in the regular season.

[Chinook]

I think Cory will have a breakout season next year and people will realize that he's probably a better basketball player but for what the Spurs ask out of their third string PG, no reason to think McCallum can't do the same things and do just as good a job as Cory learned to do over time. Seems like a smart kid and a hard worker and it looks like he has the tools to be successful.

I also think that Pop will continue to make the third PG an stable rotation player, which should help McCallum's production in relation to Cory's when he was in SA. Ray's not very big, but there are enough teams that play two small guards in their second unit that I could see him getting the nod over Anderson as the sixth perimeter player in a given game's rotation.

[apalisoc_9]

Ray is not a better basketball player than Joseph.

The only upside Ray has over Joseph is his willingness to shoot open threes, other than that he's an inferior defender, inferior PnR player.s

Jospeh had a defined role with the spurs, be the defensive PG. I don't know what Ray's role will because he doesn't have a particular skillset that is consistent. Sometimes he can be a good shooter, sometimes the opposing guard might be small enough for him to guard...But he is way too inconsistent to have a defined role.

The good thing is that, he did all those with the kings. It's possible he's a better player than what he's showed in that shithole organization.

[RD2191]

Ray is not a better basketball player than Joseph.

The only upside Ray has over Joseph is his willingness to shoot open threes, other than that he's an inferior defender, inferior PnR player.s

Jospeh had a defined role with the spurs, be the defensive PG. I don't know what Ray's role will because he doesn't have a particular skillset that is consistent. Sometimes he can be a good shooter, sometimes the opposing guard might be small enough for him to guard...But he is way too inconsistent to have a defined role.

The good thing is that, he did all those with the kings. It's possible he's a better player than what he's showed in that shithole organization.
I thought you were dead, man. Glad to see you're alive.

[DesignatedT]

I also think that Pop will continue to make the third PG an stable rotation player, which should help McCallum's production in relation to Cory's when he was in SA. Ray's not very big, but there are enough teams that play two small guards in their second unit that I could see him getting the nod over Anderson as the sixth perimeter player in a given game's rotation.

So what other wing are you hoping the Spurs take a look at to finish up the roster? I know you liked Ellington but with him off the table who out there do you think the Spurs should target?

[Splits]

This experiment can't end any worse than Errors... so there's that.

[Mnky]

How many meaningful minutes did Joseph play in this year's playoffs? I'm sure this kid can do that. In our price range, and comes out our pocket when cap increase and more options are available. Just needed a plug in for 3rd minutes at a reasonable price, not a game changer.

[ace3g]

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11694899_812531155529732_7999371604068433011_n.jpg ?oh=236bce9a7b4b53ad454c84bf5c2d4315&oe=5654011D

[Chinook]

So what other wing are you hoping the Spurs take a look at to finish up the roster? I know you liked Ellington but with him off the table who out there do you think the Spurs should target?

I actually like the Simmons signing. I thought it was going to be Eddie, but I'm happy with what they got. I don't think they need to go into cap with another guaranteed contract on the wing. I do think they should consider grabbing a vet to end the season, though. Maybe someone from China.

[NickiRasgo]

I actually like the Simmons signing. I thought it was going to be Eddie, but I'm happy with what they got. I don't think they need to go into cap with another guaranteed contract on the wing. I do think they should consider grabbing a vet to end the season, though. Maybe someone from China.

Stephon Marbury?

[Chinook]

Stephon Marbury?

No.

[ceperez]

I actually like the Simmons signing. I thought it was going to be Eddie, but I'm happy with what they got. I don't think they need to go into cap with another guaranteed contract on the wing. I do think they should consider grabbing a vet to end the season, though. Maybe someone from China.

Andre Blatche?

[RD2191]

No.
:lol

[NickiRasgo]

I was kidding, tbh. :lol

[NASpurs]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/ray-mccallum-dream-come-true

Ray McCallum: "Like A Dream Come True"

By: Lorne Chan Spurs.com

Ray McCallum was keeping track of the NBA’s wild offseason in the same way as most fans, through Twitter and TV reports. He was particularly impressed by the Spurs’ moves, he said, when he got a phone call one night last week.

It was Spurs general manager R.C. Buford welcoming him to the team.

“It was a random, unexpected call, and probably one of the best I’ve ever gotten,” McCallum said. “Sitting at home watching the offseason unfold, then finding myself thrown into that group of Spurs players, it’s like a dream come true.”

McCallum, a 6-foot-3 guard, was acquired in a trade with Sacramento on Thursday. A 2013 Kings draft pick, McCallum averaged 6.9 points, 2.7 assists and 20.7 minutes per game the past two seasons.

He’s marveled at the Spurs from the Pacific Division, studying guard Tony Parker for years and calling him “one of the best in the game.”

“I’ve looked up to the Spurs for a while,” McCallum said. “It was frustrating to play against the Spurs, because they always found a way to win. They always make that extra pass and close out, and I think I’ll fit in well.”

After backup guard Cory Joseph signed with Toronto last week after four seasons with the Spurs, Ray McCallum will likely take over Joseph’s role on the Spurs’ roster.
They posted similar numbers last season, as Joseph played 1,444 minutes while McCallum played 1,436 minutes. Joseph averaged 6.8 points and 2.4 assists with the Spurs and McCallum had 7.4 points and 2.8 assists for the Kings.

“McCallum fills a big need,” Buford said. “Cory’s play and his presence in our group can’t be overstated. Replacing Cory’s fire, passion and personality as well as 1,500 minutes of really good play was important for us. To go out and get a player like Ray fills a big hole.”

McCallum, a Detroit native, was a McDonald’s All-American in high school and received scholarship offers from college powers such as UCLA and Arizona. He chose to stay home at University of Detroit instead, and with good reason.

His father, Ray McCallum Sr., is Detroit’s basketball coach.

As a sophomore, McCallum led Detroit to its first NCAA tournament appearance in 13 years. As a junior, he was named the Horizon League player of the year.

“It’s a rare opportunity to get to play for your dad,” McCallum said. “It helped me better myself not only as a player, but as a man, too, And when I called him after talking to R.C. to tell him I was a Spur, I think my dad was more excited than me.”

Foregoing his senior year, McCallum was a second-round draft pick by the Kings at No. 36 overall in the 2013 NBA Draft. He averaged 6.2 points and 2.7 assists as a rookie, making 10 starts in 45 games.

McCallum was named MVP of the 2014 Las Vegas Summer League, and saw a boost in playing time for his sophomore season. He started all 30 games after the 2015 All-Star break for the Kings, averaging 11.2 points and 4.3 assists in those games.

He said he hopes to be seen as a high-energy guard who can create opportunities on the defensive end.

According to SportVU data, McCallum was one of the NBA’s fastest players, with an average speed of 4.6 miles per hour in games. Only two players, Patty Mills and Cory Joseph had a speed of 4.7 or higher last season.

“Spurs fans will see someone who plays quick, plays fast and does whatever the team needs,” McCallum said. “I look at the banners here and I love that it’s all about winning. I think this is going to feel like home pretty quickly.”

[ceperez]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/ray-mccallum-dream-come-true


According to SportVU data, McCallum was one of the NBA’s fastest players, with an average speed of 4.6 miles per hour in games. Only two players, Patty Mills and Cory Joseph had a speed of 4.7 or higher last season.
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That indeed is a surprise. I didn't think that Joseph was that fast. Spurs had the two fastest players in the league?

Is this a measurement of game time speed?

[ducks]

Is he faster then ka

[Leetonidas]

This kid has a better career high in points (RS) than Leonard :lol

[cd98]

Cross fingers that a few of these reaches the Spurs are doing pan out. Given their history, at least one of them is bound to be a contributor for at least the regular season.

[Cloud786]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/ray-mccallum-welcome-interview

Nice interview with McCallum. Definitely says all the right things. Excited to see how he contributes.

[spursince#99]

Smdh if only we would've waited we could've gotten Shabazz Napier.


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[Obstructed_View]

Smdh if only we would've waited we could've gotten Shabazz Napier.


Bump

NSIS. The Heat paid to get of him.

[tatteredprince]

McCallum and Simmons, when integrated, could be awesome......

two superb athletes

[Darkwaters]

Smdh if only we would've waited we could've gotten Shabazz Napier.


Bump

He shot 38% last year. Pretty bad.

Now in fairness, McCallum shot 37.7% his rookie season and raised it some to 43.8% in his sophomore effort. But I would argue that Napier was playing on a more talented team than McCallum and didn't exactly blown anybody away.

[Chinook]

Would have liked Napier for the fact that he is under team control longer, but I don't think he's as good of a fit as McCallum. Spurs need an experienced PG who was also cheap. Ray is a great example of that, and combined with his RFA status next off-season, he was a really good pickup.

[ace3g]

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[ceperez]

Would have liked Napier for the fact that he is under team control longer, but I don't think he's as good of a fit as McCallum. Spurs need an experienced PG who was also cheap. Ray is a great example of that, and combined with his RFA status next off-season, he was a really good pickup.

Consider that Spurs trade a 2nd round pick for a guy who may likely eat up minutes in the PG spot, this was an absolute steal!

A Spurs 2nd round pick is at best #58, in short, completely worthless.

[Spurtacular]

Consider that Spurs trade a 2nd round pick for a guy who may likely eat up minutes in the PG spot, this was an absolute steal!

A Spurs 2nd round pick is at best #58, in short, completely worthless.

Tell that to Manu.... :lol

Actually, you can find quality players in the late second round. And I doubt RM had long term value for the Kings. Good trade for both teams, imo.

[Uriel]

I think it's comical that we only have 15 pages to discuss McCallum, even though he's already guaranteed to make the team, whereas we have 50+ pages discussing Jimmer, even though he'll likely be training camp fodder.

Anyway, the E-N just came out with a pretty good article on Ray.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Little-Ray-s-big-break-Dad-prepared-for-Pop-6473830.php?t=a3b3c22a2febaa2aab&cmpid=twitter-premium
(http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Little-Ray-s-big-break-Dad-prepared-for-Pop-6473830.php?t=a3b3c22a2febaa2aab&cmpid=twitter-premium)

[benefactor]

I think it's comical that we only have 15 pages to discuss McCallum, even though he's already guaranteed to make the team, whereas we have 50+ pages discussing Jimmer, even though he'll likely be training camp fodder.

Anyway, the E-N just came out with a pretty good article on Ray.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Little-Ray-s-big-break-Dad-prepared-for-Pop-6473830.php?t=a3b3c22a2febaa2aab&cmpid=twitter-premium
(http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Little-Ray-s-big-break-Dad-prepared-for-Pop-6473830.php?t=a3b3c22a2febaa2aab&cmpid=twitter-premium)
That's because the Mormon and the world's dumbest Mexican don't think that McCallum is the next Jordan like they think Jimmer is.

[AFBlue]

I think it's comical that we only have 15 pages to discuss McCallum, even though he's already guaranteed to make the team, whereas we have 50+ pages discussing Jimmer, even though he'll likely be training camp fodder.

Anyway, the E-N just came out with a pretty good article on Ray.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Little-Ray-s-big-break-Dad-prepared-for-Pop-6473830.php?t=a3b3c22a2febaa2aab&cmpid=twitter-premium
(http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Little-Ray-s-big-break-Dad-prepared-for-Pop-6473830.php?t=a3b3c22a2febaa2aab&cmpid=twitter-premium)

It's logical, not comical. There's more disparity of opinion and expectation surrounding Jimmer than there is for Ray. I think most expect Ray to be a serviceable replacement for CoJo as a third string PG. There's simply not that much to debate.

[FkLA]

lol at thinking the Spurs would guarantee 500k to training camp fodder

Jimmer ain't fodder. He's making the team. :hat

[SAGirl]

I think it's comical that we only have 15 pages to discuss McCallum, even though he's already guaranteed to make the team, whereas we have 50+ pages discussing Jimmer, even though he'll likely be training camp fodder.

Anyway, the E-N just came out with a pretty good article on Ray.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Little-Ray-s-big-break-Dad-prepared-for-Pop-6473830.php?t=a3b3c22a2febaa2aab&cmpid=twitter-premium
(http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Little-Ray-s-big-break-Dad-prepared-for-Pop-6473830.php?t=a3b3c22a2febaa2aab&cmpid=twitter-premium)
Thanks for sharing. I actually do like to chat about all of these roleplayers TBH. The article is more about his character, being a coaches' son and having solid fundamentals. There is not much of substance basketball-wise. I really look forward to seeing him play though. For all of Cojo's limitations offensively, you never felt like he coasted. He competed hard and hustled. He was all heart out there. I would be ok with McCallum not being on that level (maybe I will be spoiled a little bit and miss Cojo's hustle) if he is more aggressive offensively and a better passer. We'll see.

[gambit1990]

Me and my little brother Nathan89 both agree he looks like the next Gary Payton.
:lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

The reason I disliked Joseph is because I think he's a relatively poor off-ball player that doesn't fit well with Parker and Ginobili, mostly due to his reluctance to shoot, particularly from the 3-point line..

I would actually be really surprised if he doesn't thrive in Toronto as the primary ball-handler in the 2nd unit, he's going to put up nice numbers IMO..everybody has this silly idea that everybody fits seamlessly in the Spurs system and that's the reason they look good, but Joseph is a player that was held back by the system IMO, and I say that as a guy that has been constantly refered to as a "Cojo hater" here..

He reminds me a lot of Jeremy Lin, similar build and style of play, and they both need the ball to thrive and play their game..

Mmmhmmm..been great in Toronto, as expected..

:lol Ray McCallum

[HarlemHeat37]

I think it's a good get, nice value for a second round pick, kid reminds me some Tyus Jones last NCAA final four MVP who just got drafted in first round...

:lmao

[dabom]

Never posted in this thread. Ray was a "meh" from the get go.

[dabom]

He's cheaper, that's about it. But it's a good pickup at that price range, and the Spurs are simply tight money-wise.

Was still a good pick up for the price.

[dabom]

:lmao

Fucking bums. :lol

[Chinook]

Pretty awesome for the same cost as a roster charge :tu. Glad the Spurs went younger vs a Miller or Dinoboy.

Guess not.

[Hoops Czar]

Mmmhmmm..been great in Toronto, as expected..

:lol Ray McCallum

Jeremy Lin is actually a terrible comparison :lol. While CoJo was somewhat of a passive on offense, Jeremy Lin never met a shot he didn't like to take. Sometimes, he spent more time taking bad/reckless shots than he did setting up the offense. In no way, shape or form can you even begin to compare the two on defense. It would be like trying to compare CP3's defense to TP9's in a less dramatic way I suppose. Besides, the Spurs couldn't pay CoJo and I don't recall too many posters saying Ray was any kind of an upgrade but, more of a reclamation project that was three or four years away.

[DPG21920]

Guess not.

Well, most of us knew that regardless of how Ray turned out, it was a good trade. At the time Spurs should have gone younger and was the right move. I think Miller sucks, but ultimately I understand the move now as we get closer to the playoffs and with Ray ultimately not showing very much in the area of ball handling.

Same with Simmons. Same with everyone but TP. Spurs need a guy besides TP with Manu out who can at least dribble the ball in a pinch.

[gambit1990]

Fucking bums. :lol
i like that he not only managed to embarrass himself, but another poster as well. he killed two birds with one stone :lol