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ace3g
07-09-2015, 12:15 AM
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Sources say San Antonio has agreed to a trade a future second-round pick to Sacramento for Ray McCallum to replace Cory Joseph

Kool Bob Love
07-09-2015, 12:16 AM
:flag:

TheGoldStandard
07-09-2015, 12:16 AM
Gotta fire up YouTube

ducks
07-09-2015, 12:16 AM
No not the great second round pick

raybies
07-09-2015, 12:16 AM
wow, nice pickup. didnt someone mention his name?

Spur|n|Austin
07-09-2015, 12:16 AM
Hmmm

TheGoldStandard
07-09-2015, 12:17 AM
No not the great second round pick

There goes a cady Lelanne of the future

Mugen
07-09-2015, 12:17 AM
Nice. Good size for a PG too.

Shabazz
07-09-2015, 12:17 AM
This was the kid who played college ball for his dad at Detroit, right?

raybies
07-09-2015, 12:17 AM
if spurs are unloading a pick, they are probably getting one from Atlanta, which they figure to be worth more.

RD2191
07-09-2015, 12:18 AM
I miss Cojo.:depressed

lmbebo
07-09-2015, 12:19 AM
anyone know anything about him?

Just remember him going off against the spurs last year I think

Robz4000
07-09-2015, 12:19 AM
Good trade. Is this the guy who shat on Enrique for three quarters in that last game in Sactown?

random21
07-09-2015, 12:19 AM
2014-15 Season Stats
PTS REB AST PIE
7.4 2.6 2.8 8.3%

Not a bad Corey replacement. Like his 3rd string potential...

TheGoldStandard
07-09-2015, 12:20 AM
He has good handles from what I see.

ace3g
07-09-2015, 12:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn0tv6c0a94


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4dzDEEYzw

ducks
07-09-2015, 12:20 AM
Damm

hsxvvd
07-09-2015, 12:20 AM
:bobo

I like.

Holden_Caulfield
07-09-2015, 12:20 AM
championship

SanDiegoSpursFan
07-09-2015, 12:20 AM
Not bad if he's the CoJo replacement and not the Belli one.

MaNu4Tres
07-09-2015, 12:21 AM
Solid pick up.

Put up 20 on Parker late last season.

Love this move, rather than settle for Nelson or Miller.

GooberNuts
07-09-2015, 12:21 AM
:lobt2:

random21
07-09-2015, 12:21 AM
http://youtu.be/Tn0tv6c0a94
27 pt game from the guy...

TheGoldStandard
07-09-2015, 12:22 AM
Now C and a Wing and we are set

RD2191
07-09-2015, 12:22 AM
Call me when the scrub dunks on Ibaka.

jeebus
07-09-2015, 12:23 AM
He's not the cancer that CancerJo was but maybe he'll ease into the role after getting over himself.

Nathan89
07-09-2015, 12:23 AM
Great athlete based on his combine measurements.

raybies
07-09-2015, 12:23 AM
REGULAR SEASON



Season
TEAM
AGE
GP
GS
MIN
PTS
FGM
FGA
FG%
3PM
3PA
3P%
FTM
FTA
FT%
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF


2014-15
SAC
24
68
30
21.1
7.4
3.0
6.9
43.8
0.5
1.6
30.6
0.8
1.2
67.9
0.8
1.9
2.6
2.8
0.7
0.2
1.3
1.4


2013-14
SAC
23
45
10
19.9
6.2
2.5
6.7
37.7
0.5
1.3
37.3
0.7
1.0
74.4
0.4
1.4
1.8
2.7
0.5
0.2
0.9
1.5


Career:


113
40
20.6
6.9
2.8
6.8
41.4
0.5
1.5
32.9
0.8
1.1
70.1
0.6
1.7
2.3
2.7
0.6
0.2
1.1
1.4




COLLEGE



Season
SCHOOL
AGE
GP
GS
MIN
PTS
FGM
FGA
FG%
3PM
3PA
3P%
FTM
FTA
FT%
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF


2012-13
Detroit Mercy
22
33
33
36.6
18.7
6.5
13.2
49.1
1.3
3.9
32.3
4.5
6.2
71.7
1.3
3.8
5.1
4.5
1.9
0.6
2.1
2.0


Career:


102
102
34.5
15.9
5.4
11.5
46.5
1.0
3.3
29.0
4.2
5.8
72.3
1.2
3.5
4.8
4.4
1.7
0.3
2.3
2.1




LEAGUE RANKINGS



Season
TEAM
AGE
GP
GS
MIN
PTS
FGM
FGA
FG%
3PM
3PA
3P%
FTM
FTA
FT%
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF


2014-15
SAC
NR
NR
NR
#185
#185
#172
#172
NR
#158
#158
NR
#206
#206
NR
#146
#230
#205
#79
#147
#215
#147
NR

ducks
07-09-2015, 12:23 AM
Call me when dunks are more then 2 points

Obstructed_View
07-09-2015, 12:23 AM
I wish there were a youtube video of his defense.

Mugen
07-09-2015, 12:23 AM
Put up 20 on Parker late last season.

Sounds about right tbh.

ducks
07-09-2015, 12:24 AM
Best you could get

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:24 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mccalra01.html

Obstructed_View
07-09-2015, 12:25 AM
What's the knock on him? He looks pretty darn good for the Kings to send him away for an end-of-the-draft pick.

davidbowie
07-09-2015, 12:25 AM
we got a steal tbh

spurtech09
07-09-2015, 12:25 AM
Dude got some nice moves.....solid

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:25 AM
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiipppppppppppppppp pppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

we got our third-string pg, cool!

now, the backup center and the reserve wing and we are ready to go!!

the only good news for the day for me................

Axegrinder
07-09-2015, 12:25 AM
Nice pick up

Mr. Body
07-09-2015, 12:26 AM
Ray McCallum, luckiest motherfucker in the league right now, cellar to the penthouse.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:26 AM
we are going to rock the party this season!

yihhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

spurtech09
07-09-2015, 12:26 AM
we got a steal tbhagree....

RD2191
07-09-2015, 12:26 AM
Dude is trash.

Yuixafun
07-09-2015, 12:26 AM
He can penetrate, pass, has some shake and bake from what I saw from the highlights... Seems like a solid fit for the role.

TD 21
07-09-2015, 12:26 AM
Solid pick up.

Put up 20 on Parker late last season.

Love this move, rather than settle for Nelson or Miller.

Yeah, he's a quick, penetrating, true PG.

Third PG was a bigger need than it might appear to be on the surface, given that Mills is essentially an SG on offense and isn't a good fit with the starting lineup. If/when Parker get's injured or needs a game off, the third PG needs to be a caretaker type that they can get away with starting.

Robz4000
07-09-2015, 12:27 AM
What's the knock on him? He looks pretty darn good for the Kings to send him away for an end-of-the-draft pick.

The Kings aren't exactly the brightest bunch these days...

Holden_Caulfield
07-09-2015, 12:27 AM
can we send him to summer league? :lol

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:28 AM
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/238683/Spurs-Acquire-Ray-McCallum-From-Kings

ducks
07-09-2015, 12:28 AM
Ray McCallum, luckiest motherfucker in the league right now, cellar to the penthouse.

Yep

DPG21920
07-09-2015, 12:28 AM
Pretty awesome for the same cost as a roster charge :tu. Glad the Spurs went younger vs a Miller or Dinoboy.

I wasn't overly impressed with him, but he was pretty aggressive in the limited time I watched him and showed enough to definitely warrant a look.

Can't speak to much about him, but he seemed like another "straightline" athlete - meaning isn't a great athlete, but can jump and isn't a snail. Shot seems to need work, but he showed some nice flashes, decent ball handling in a pinch and aggressive mindset. Pretty great job overall - excited to see what he can do in this system.

ducks
07-09-2015, 12:28 AM
McCallum had a PER of 12.5 in 68 games last season with the Kings.

Yuixafun
07-09-2015, 12:28 AM
Call me when dunks are more then 2 points


Hey man, don't belittle that particular dunk.... It turned the tide of belief and morale for that series.

popdagreat
07-09-2015, 12:28 AM
good handles, likes to pass, ill take it! :toast

NickiRasgo
07-09-2015, 12:29 AM
Wow! Nice pickup! He's actually good. I picked him up last Fantasy when Collison was out.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:29 AM
The real "snake in the grass" >>>>>>>>>>> Spurs front office!!!!!

hahahahahahahahaha

Obstructed_View
07-09-2015, 12:29 AM
The Kings aren't exactly the brightest bunch these days...

Yeah, that was what I thought of, but it doesn't make sense unless they had to make room for Rajon Ron HO LEE FUCK! YOU ARE RIGHT! :lmao :lmao

loveforthegame
07-09-2015, 12:29 AM
What a steal for the Spurs. :tu

Don't judge me. I watch a lot of Kings games.

He's all hustle. Solid jumper, gets to the basket, athletic, and solid defensively. Nothing stands out but just an all around game.

slick'81
07-09-2015, 12:30 AM
Former 2nd rnd pick for a future 2nd rounder.hell be a solid 3rd pg and cojo replacement,not the best 3point shooter I think

lmbebo
07-09-2015, 12:30 AM
HIs last 10 games, looked like he filled the stat sheet.

cheap contract (~500k?).

Mugen
07-09-2015, 12:31 AM
Salary dump to go after Josh Smith tbh.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:31 AM
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ray-McCallum-5718/

ElNono
07-09-2015, 12:31 AM
Great pickup for a third stringer...

TheGreatYacht
07-09-2015, 12:32 AM
But does he have a song?


http://youtu.be/tXQRYiBqCOw

random21
07-09-2015, 12:32 AM
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/ray-mccallum

Strengths: McCallum is a well-rounded "stat sheet stuffer" point guard who can both score and distribute ... Has good size and strength for his position, standing 6'1 and weighing a muscular 190 ... An excellent transition player, McCallum can both score and distribute on the break ... Has a high basketball IQ and knows how to get his teammates involved ... Makes up for his average speed with his ability to use his body to get open looks around the rim. Has excellent body control overall ... Can be a good scoring point guard (18.7 PPG last season) ... Very good ball handler ... A good floor general and a coach's son ... Draws a lot of contact and gets to the line at a high rate ... Underrated athlete who has a 40 inch vertical and deceptive explosiveness ... Solid, if not spectacular passing ability and floor vision ... Good at finding teammates cutting to the basket ... Quick hands (1.9 SPG) last season and good lateral quickness make him a solid defender ... Plays well without the ball, making sharp cuts to get good looks in the lane ... Rebounds well for a point guard (5.1 RPG last season) ... Despite playing in the Horizon League, performed well against good competition ... McCallum is a very durable player, as evidenced by 37 or more minutes in each of the last 14 games of the season ...

Weaknesses: Doesn't do any one thing particularly well, as there are several more talented shooters, playmakers, defenders, and athletes among this point guard class ... Needs to improve his shooting ability, as he shot only 32% from behind the 3pt line last season ... Shot low percentages on all jump shots ... Doesn't have great length or physical tools, which will limit him at the next level ... Has an awkward shooting motion and releases the ball somewhat slowly ... Is too prone to taking pull-up jumpers early in the shot clock, especially when he is not a particularly efficient spot-up shooter ... Needs to become a better free throw shooter. Shot just 72% from the line last year...

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:33 AM
After a solid sophomore season, Detroit’s Ray McCallum has continued his strong play as a junior, showing steady improvement in his production, but being unable to secure a return to the NCAA tournament after losing in the semifinals of the Horizon conference tournament.

As we’ve mentioned before, McCallum isn’t dynamic from a physical standpoint, with just average size and length for an NBA point guard prospect, but he’s gotten stronger over the last couple years and he’s a solid athlete, with good speed, quickness, and elevation, once he’s built up a full head of steam.

Playing for his father at Detroit, McCallum’s role hasn’t changed much over the course of his college career, but he’s gradually taken on more of the scoring load, increasing his shots per-40 each season, while shooting career high’s from the field as a junior, both inside and outside the 3-point line.

His perimeter shooting improvements are particularly encouraging, after shooting a very poor 24% from 3-point range as a sophomore. He connected on 33% of his 3’s this season on over four attempts per game, and this is an area he’ll likely need to continue to improve in order to find a role in the NBA, as he still only made 29% of his overall jump-shots on the season.

McCallum actually shoots better off the dribble than off the catch at this stage, showing the ability to fluidly pull-up off the dribble in the mid-range or from behind the 3-point line, and doing a nice job of getting his defender on his heels to create space to rise up for his jump shot. He still takes some ill-advised pull-up jumpers at times, but he should be able to improve his efficiency with better shot selection on a team where he isn’t forced to carry such a heavy scoring load.

McCallum has excellent ball-handling skills, plays the game at a nice pace and shows great poise. Doubling as his team’s primary ball-handler and top scoring option, he generally does a very good job taking care of the ball and making good decisions, as evidenced by the fact that he turns the ball over on only 12% of his used possessions this season, second among all point guards in our top 100 rankings.

As we’ve written before, McCallum is at his best when he can get out in transition, but he’s also done a better job this year of being more shifty off the dribble to create in the half-court, where he attacks the basket hard and finishes effectively at the rim, even through contact, as he’s connecting on an impressive 61% of his shots in the basket area.

In today’s pick-and-roll heavy NBA, McCallum will need to improve as the ball-handler in these sets, as he’s scoring only .73 points per possession on pick-and-rolls this season. He lacks the burst of speed to turn the corner and get into the paint with regularity, and he also has a tendency to come off the screen and settle for contested jump shots. In all fairness, though, some of his struggles can be attributed to poor floor spacing, giving him less room to utilize his craftiness off the bounce, which would likely change at the NBA level.

The extent of McCallum’s playmaking ability may be something that we haven’t fully seen during his time at Detroit, given that he’s also his team’s go-to scorer and shot-creator. He has an outstanding feel for the game and shows good passing instincts in the open floor and driving-and-kicking to open shooters, but he doesn’t function as a true point guard for his team at the college level, so it’s difficult to gauge how much that might change playing with different personnel.

As we noted before, McCallum’s average size and length may limit him somewhat as a defender at the NBA level, but he moves well laterally, has quick hands and anticipation skills, and shows good toughness. He competes hard for the most part, and should be able to focus more energy on the defensive end with less of a burden on him offensively.

While McCallum has played in a less competitive league than many of the prospects he’ll be compared to, he is far from unknown, being that he was a McDonald’s All-American coming out of high school and has been on the radar for some time now. Detroit also played a strong non-conference schedule this season, including games against Pittsburgh, Syracuse, St. John’s, Miami, Temple, and Wichita State, giving NBA teams plenty of opportunities to evaluate him against stronger competition. Scouts will likely be disappointed by his early exit and poor showing in the Horizon conference tournament, but it’s likely that his team will get an invite to the NIT, where he could certainly use the added exposure.

McCallum’s inconsistent outside shooting, lack of elite physical tools and playmaking ability likely limits his upside as an NBA prospect, but his overall skill level and high basketball IQ at the point guard position should give him a strong chance to get drafted, whether he decides to enter this June’s draft or play his senior season at Detroit.

From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3fRtHmeXL
http://www.draftexpress.com

Duncan2177
07-09-2015, 12:33 AM
Looks like he has potential, good trade for the spurs.

Chinook
07-09-2015, 12:34 AM
Pretty awesome for the same cost as a roster charge :tu. Glad the Spurs went younger vs a Miller or Dinoboy.

I agree with the McCallum love, but he actually takes up cap space. He signed a three-year min deal and is in the final year of that deal. So he doesn't count as a min contract in any context.

Mugen
07-09-2015, 12:34 AM
Now just need another shooter and a big. Go RC Go.

BanditHiro
07-09-2015, 12:35 AM
What's the knock on him? He looks pretty darn good for the Kings to send him away for an end-of-the-draft pick.

Kings need to make room for Josh Smith and they are already front loaded with perimeter players

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:35 AM
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/ray-mccallum

Strengths: McCallum is a well-rounded "stat sheet stuffer" point guard who can both score and distribute ... Has good size and strength for his position, standing 6'1 and weighing a muscular 190 ... An excellent transition player, McCallum can both score and distribute on the break ... Has a high basketball IQ and knows how to get his teammates involved ... Makes up for his average speed with his ability to use his body to get open looks around the rim. Has excellent body control overall ... Can be a good scoring point guard (18.7 PPG last season) ... Very good ball handler ... A good floor general and a coach's son ... Draws a lot of contact and gets to the line at a high rate ... Underrated athlete who has a 40 inch vertical and deceptive explosiveness ... Solid, if not spectacular passing ability and floor vision ... Good at finding teammates cutting to the basket ... Quick hands (1.9 SPG) last season and good lateral quickness make him a solid defender ... Plays well without the ball, making sharp cuts to get good looks in the lane ... Rebounds well for a point guard (5.1 RPG last season) ... Despite playing in the Horizon League, performed well against good competition ... McCallum is a very durable player, as evidenced by 37 or more minutes in each of the last 14 games of the season ...

Weaknesses: Doesn't do any one thing particularly well, as there are several more talented shooters, playmakers, defenders, and athletes among this point guard class ... Needs to improve his shooting ability, as he shot only 32% from behind the 3pt line last season ... Shot low percentages on all jump shots ... Doesn't have great length or physical tools, which will limit him at the next level ... Has an awkward shooting motion and releases the ball somewhat slowly ... Is too prone to taking pull-up jumpers early in the shot clock, especially when he is not a particularly efficient spot-up shooter ... Needs to become a better free throw shooter. Shot just 72% from the line last year...


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Has a high basketball IQ and knows how to get his teammates involved


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thats enough for me!!!! lets rock!!!!!!!!!!!


wwwwwwwwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

Go Spurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrsssss go!

Robz4000
07-09-2015, 12:35 AM
I agree with the McCallum love, but he actually takes up cap space. He signed a three-year min deal and is in the final year of that deal. So he doesn't count as a min contract in any context.

Guess the FO saw something they liked. Prolly happened in the game he torched Enrique in.

BatManu20
07-09-2015, 12:35 AM
McCallum can ball a little bit... Great pickup for a 3rd string PG. He's on a cheap contract and only lost a 2nd rounder. PATFO strike again.

DPG21920
07-09-2015, 12:36 AM
I agree with the McCallum love, but he actually takes up cap space. He signed a three-year min deal and is in the final year of that deal. So he doesn't count as a min contract in any context.

But he doesn't take up much cap space, right? He is only the difference between the roster charge that takes up cap space and his contract.

Plus, him taking up cap space isn't a huge deal - Spurs shouldn't need the cap space for anything functional now that we know Danny/Patty/KL/LMA/Tim/Manu are safe.

Nathan89
07-09-2015, 12:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4dzDEEYzw

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:36 AM
oh god, we are getting better and better by the week!!!!!!

BatManu20
07-09-2015, 12:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn0tv6c0a94

spurraider21
07-09-2015, 12:37 AM
asked around, kings fans say his calling card is his defense. they also say the spurs are the perfect place for him to thrive (though tbh thats a trendy thing to say about virtually any lower tier player in the nba)

RD2191
07-09-2015, 12:38 AM
Relax folks, he's a 3rd string PG. People acting like we got Reggie Jackson to come off the bench or something.:lol

Uriel
07-09-2015, 12:38 AM
This guy was ranked 81 out of 84 among PG's in the NBA in real plus-minus, worse than SpursTalk's favorite player.

DPG21920
07-09-2015, 12:38 AM
Guess the FO saw something they liked. Prolly happened in the game he torched Enrique in.

:lol It is. That is the Sprus MO my man. Anyone who does well against SA, gets SAs interest. "Hmmmmm, we are bad ass, if they can do that to us, they too are bad ass and we want them".

In this case it's aces. They paid an unknown 2nd rounder for a guaranteed NBA player (at least at this point). That's a no risk, no brainer trade and lol Kings for doing the right thing and drafting Ray, but then negating that good move by dumping him for nada :lol

Aztecfan03
07-09-2015, 12:38 AM
Yeah, that was what I thought of, but it doesn't make sense unless they had to make room for Rajon Ron HO LEE FUCK! YOU ARE RIGHT! :lmao :lmao

so they have rondo and collison, and John Stockon's son now. Probably could have gotten more for McCallum though.

Chinook
07-09-2015, 12:38 AM
But he doesn't take up much cap space, right? He is only the difference between the roster charge that takes up cap space and his contract.

Plus, him taking up cap space isn't a huge deal - Spurs shouldn't need the cap space for anything functional now that we know Danny/Patty/KL/LMA/Tim/Manu are safe.

Oh yeah, it's not a big deal. Like $400k tops.

KL2
07-09-2015, 12:38 AM
Solid pick up for a 3rd string PG. His ORPM and DRPM were pretty bad, his defense especially terrible, but he was playing for a joke of an organization. Hopefully he can contribute, he looks like an NBA player, had some good games last year. He's young and has some decent potential, probably better than anything else we could get.

100%duncan
07-09-2015, 12:39 AM
We staaaaaaaackeeeed

spursistan
07-09-2015, 12:39 AM
Ray mccallum better option than a washed-up ball hog miller..now a backup C rim-protector and 3pt gunner and call it an off season..

RD2191
07-09-2015, 12:39 AM
This guy was ranked 81 out of 84 among PG's in the NBA in real plus-minus, worse than SpursTalk's favorite player.

Obi Juan Kenobi
07-09-2015, 12:39 AM
PATFO does it again... :clap

ChumpDumper
07-09-2015, 12:39 AM
:cry This offseason could still be a disaster tho. :cry

Aztecfan03
07-09-2015, 12:40 AM
HIs last 10 games, looked like he filled the stat sheet.

cheap contract (~500k?).
looks like 947k this year.




Year

Age
Base Salary
Cap Hit
Dead Cap


2013-14
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/203px-Sacramento_Kings.svg_.png
22
$524,616
$524,616
$1,341,098


2014-15
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/203px-Sacramento_Kings.svg_.png
23
$816,482
$816,482
$816,482


2015-16
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/203px-Sacramento_Kings.svg_.png
24
$947,276
$947,276
-


2016-17
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/203px-Sacramento_Kings.svg_.png
25
$1,184,095
$1,184,095
-


2016
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/203px-Sacramento_Kings.svg_.png

RFA

Uriel
07-09-2015, 12:40 AM
Well, at least we got him for basically nothing. Wing depth and a backup C are more pressing needs than a 3rd-string PG, though.

Mr.Bottomtooth
07-09-2015, 12:40 AM
What's the knock on him? He looks pretty darn good for the Kings to send him away for an end-of-the-draft pick.

I don't know much about him but a lot of people on Twitter are losing their shit saying the Spurs totally swindled Sacramento. Apparently we have a solid 3rd point guard again.

GooberNuts
07-09-2015, 12:40 AM
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Has a high basketball IQ and knows how to get his teammates involved


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thats enough for me!!!! lets rock!!!!!!!!!!!


wwwwwwwwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

Go Spurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrsssss go!

cutewizard, never change

TheGoldStandard
07-09-2015, 12:41 AM
Can't wait for the season to start. 2 more spots to fill.

Roger Freemason Jr.
07-09-2015, 12:41 AM
About 900k for this year.

BatManu20
07-09-2015, 12:42 AM
Hopefully Chip can work a little magic on his jump shot. He's only a career 33% 3-point shooter. Hopefully can push that up to 36 or 37% next season.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:43 AM
cutewizard, never change


Uuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmwwwwaaahhh Sir Goobernuts! im so happy, hehehehe

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn0tv6c0a94

DPG21920
07-09-2015, 12:43 AM
Well, at least we got him for basically nothing. Wing depth and a backup C are more pressing needs than a 3rd-string PG, though.

But replacing CJ was important. Guard depth with TP questionable (decline? health? comeback?) and Manu/Patty as the only other guys you trust made this a big deal. Can't pass up on this chance to get someone that looks to have ability for that cost. Even if he busts its an A++ trade.

Obstructed_View
07-09-2015, 12:43 AM
Hopefully Chip can work a little magic on his jump shot. He's only a career 33% 3-point shooter. Hopefully can push that up to 36 or 37% next season.

In the meantime, he can play defense, penetrate and dish, and not turn the ball over. I'd be okay with that.

popdagreat
07-09-2015, 12:44 AM
only goes right?

Chinook
07-09-2015, 12:44 AM
looks like 947k this year.




Year

Age
Base Salary
Cap Hit
Dead Cap


2013-14
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/203px-Sacramento_Kings.svg_.png
22
$524,616
$524,616
$1,341,098


2014-15
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/203px-Sacramento_Kings.svg_.png
23
$816,482
$816,482
$816,482


2015-16
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/203px-Sacramento_Kings.svg_.png
24
$947,276
$947,276
-


2016-17
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/203px-Sacramento_Kings.svg_.png
25
$1,184,095
$1,184,095
-


2016
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/203px-Sacramento_Kings.svg_.png

RFA











He's an RFA this upcoming summer, and his QO would be $1.2 Million. He's not actually under contract after this season.

Vic Petro
07-09-2015, 12:44 AM
I was at the game in Sac where the Spurs couldn't stop him. In any case, seems like at least as good an option as any of the PGs on the scrap heap.

DPG21920
07-09-2015, 12:44 AM
About 900k for this year.

Correct - but functionally he really only costs 400K roughly (900K salary - less 500K roster charge = 400K)

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:45 AM
Chairman Holt, GM RC and SuperCoach Gandalf the Whitebeard must have been so dismayed that we were.....unceremoniously eliminated by the Clips last season

now, we are fucking the NBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i like it!!!!!!!!!!!!

shit, this is unreal, this is not happening!!!!!!

Spur|n|Austin
07-09-2015, 12:45 AM
:cry This offseason could still be a disaster tho. :cry

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-02/15/21/enhanced/webdr09/anigif_original-grid-image-27915-1424054799-4.gif

TheGoldStandard
07-09-2015, 12:45 AM
Hopefully Chip can work a little magic on his jump shot. He's only a career 33% 3-point shooter. Hopefully can push that up to 36 or 37% next season.

His shooting will improve, wonder who will ball handle when he gets some burn.

FireMicoHalili
07-09-2015, 12:45 AM
bad news for Cherry, Wolters, and Dai. Bertans

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:45 AM
two more, big and wing, and its sauron-slaying time


WE ARE THE REAL LORD OF THE RINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(fuck gs and lebron)

jgome21
07-09-2015, 12:45 AM
not bad. can't be any worse than de colo....

south side spur
07-09-2015, 12:46 AM
This guy was ranked 81 out of 84 among PG's in the NBA in real plus-minus, worse than SpursTalk's favorite player.
It's the fucking Kings throw this scoring margin bullshit out the window. The Kings are always getting their asses kicked.

Obstructed_View
07-09-2015, 12:47 AM
But replacing CJ was important. Guard depth with TP questionable (decline? health? comeback?) and Manu/Patty as the only other guys you trust made this a big deal. Can't pass up on this chance to get someone that looks to have ability for that cost. Even if he busts its an A++ trade.

The dude has played 113 NBA games in two years, meaning at least he's an NBA-caliber player so the odds of busting out with SA are pretty low. Even for a minute-eater contract, he looks pretty decent, and he might even be better than that.

Is he eligible for the SL team? If I were him I'd be on a plane to Utah.

hyhy
07-09-2015, 12:47 AM
Another chucker ball-hog PG?

DPG21920
07-09-2015, 12:47 AM
Spurs should still have room to take back Bazemore in the ATL deal which seems pretty damn appealing right now.

LongtimeSpursFan
07-09-2015, 12:48 AM
Ray McCallum, luckiest motherfucker in the league right now, cellar to the penthouse.

McCallum and Tavares should be a nice pick and roll combination.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:48 AM
We staaaaaaaackeeeed


mabuhay po!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


jejejejeje

TheGoldStandard
07-09-2015, 12:48 AM
Spurs should still have room to take back Bazemore in the ATL deal which seems pretty damn appealing right now.

Damn that could be a very athletic 2nd 3rd unit

ChumpDumper
07-09-2015, 12:48 AM
The dude has played 113 NBA games in two years, meaning at least he's an NBA-caliber player so the odds of busting out with SA are pretty low. Even for a minute-eater contract, he looks pretty decent, and he might even be better than that.

Is he eligible for the SL team? If I were him I'd be on a plane to Utah.Vegas maybe since Wolters is out, but I wouldn't count on it.

DPG21920
07-09-2015, 12:48 AM
The dude has played 113 NBA games in two years, meaning at least he's an NBA-caliber player so the odds of busting out with SA are pretty low. Even for a minute-eater contract, he looks pretty decent, and he might even be better than that.

Is he eligible for the SL team? If I were him I'd be on a plane to Utah.

Ray hasn't been consistently good - but he's shown improvements in the first two years with some really good moments. But ya, he looks like anNBA player.

Solid D
07-09-2015, 12:49 AM
Love it! Excellent deal for the Spurs on the surface. Hopefully, he's a well-rounded individual and doesn't mind picking up his man (in the 40-defense) with full-court pressure.

Raven
07-09-2015, 12:49 AM
that sounds like a great get

100%duncan
07-09-2015, 12:49 AM
People still find things to complain about. :lol



Never change, ST.

100%duncan
07-09-2015, 12:52 AM
Spurs should still have room to take back Bazemore in the ATL deal which seems pretty damn appealing right now.

Cam we actually do that? Last I checked it was for a foreigm overseas player? Wow if we get Bazemore, 6'4 7ft wingspan wo delivered when his nimber got called last playoffs then Im going to be the happiest fucker in town.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:52 AM
(thinking of a nice monicker for the Ray gun, hehehehe)

DPG21920
07-09-2015, 12:53 AM
Cam we actually do that? Last I checked it was for a foreigm overseas player? Wow if we get Bazemore, 6'4 7ft wingspan wo delivered when his nimber got called last playoffs then Im going to be the happiest fucker in town.

I don't think it's likely - but it's definitely possible & not unreasonable at all.

Roger Freemason Jr.
07-09-2015, 12:53 AM
So, making this deal at midnight, do you think the Spurs are trying to work some more magic? Or just trying to configure the contracts they already have?

south side spur
07-09-2015, 12:53 AM
Just call him Ray Gun. He even kind of looks like that dude from Red Tails

GooberNuts
07-09-2015, 12:53 AM
http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-02/15/21/enhanced/webdr09/anigif_original-grid-image-27915-1424054799-4.gif

:lmao

KDKSpurs24
07-09-2015, 12:54 AM
Love this move from the FO! Hopefully he's a late bloomer and turns out to be a real contributor this season. Either way, definitely one of the top possible choices we could have gotten to be the 3rd PG.

spursince#99
07-09-2015, 12:54 AM
Not bad if he's the CoJo replacement and not the Belli one.

Reggie Williams is Marco's replacement.

BatManu20
07-09-2015, 12:54 AM
Spurs should still have room to take back Bazemore in the ATL deal which seems pretty damn appealing right now.

That would be incredible. Is that just your own wishing or is there something more to it?

Kawhitstorm
07-09-2015, 12:55 AM
For those saying his advance stats are terrible, he actually has better advance stats than Patty w/ the Blazers.
-Patty: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html#all_advanced
-McCallum: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mccalra01.html#all_advanced

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:55 AM
SECOND TEAM:

Boris Diaw at point center >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excellent passer

David West (Caladan Brood) at the power forward spot >>>>>>>>very good passing big man

Slow Mo Anderson at the small forward >>>>>>>>> excellent passer

The Living God Manu at the off guard spot >>>>>>>>>>>one of the greatest passers in Earth History

Ray McCallum at point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be a good passer (haha)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ay yay yay, zizboombay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kawhitstorm
07-09-2015, 12:56 AM
Reggie Williams is Marco's replacement.

Reggie was Austin Daye's replacement.

RD2191
07-09-2015, 12:56 AM
http://giant.gfycat.com/HarmfulFreeBull.gif

DPG21920
07-09-2015, 12:57 AM
That would be incredible. Is that just your own wishing or is there something more to it?

Nothing but speculation. Team need + ability = guess. MaNu4Tres really started the specific wish for Kent, but just based on poss of Spurs having room w cap jumping.

tesseractive
07-09-2015, 12:57 AM
SECOND TEAM:

Boris Diaw at point center >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excellent passer

David West (Caladan Brood) at the power forward spot >>>>>>>>very good passing big man

Slow Mo Anderson at the small forward >>>>>>>>> excellent passer

The Living God Manu at the off guard spot >>>>>>>>>>>one of the greatest passers in Earth History

Ray McCallum at point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be a good passer (haha)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ay yay yay, zizboombay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Um, how did he cut in line ahead of Patty?

timvp
07-09-2015, 12:57 AM
Damn, I like the move. He's an interesting player who has never really had a fair chance to show what he can do at the NBA level since he's been stuck in the cesspool known as the Kings organization.

First of all, he's not really a natural point guard. McCallum is more of a shooting guard in a point guard body. But, hey, it works for Patty Mills and with the return of Ginobili, the backup point guard really doesn't need to be a playmaker with natural passing acuity.

McCallum has good size (I'd say he's solidly built ~6-foot-2) for a point guard and pretty good athleticism. The Kings never really had him play much defense but he has the tools succeed. He won't be as good as Joseph on D but it wouldn't be a surprise if he becomes the best defensive PG on the team.

Why he might be even a better fit than Joseph is that he can shoot threes. And not only wide open threes, he could become the type of volume three-point shooter who can knock down contested looks. He slumped on three-pointers last year but going for the Kings to the Spurs will result in much better looks, which should elevate that percentage.

Comparing Joseph to McCallum:

-Both aren't really true point guards but they do a decent imitation.

-Both take care of the ball really well. Neither one turns it over and post 2-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratios.

-Joseph is the better slasher and finisher but McCallum is the better shooter.

-Joseph is a much better defender but McCallum has the tools to be a plus on that end as well.

Overall, it's a nice move. Didn't give up much and got a player who fits really well into Joseph's role. Given his shooting ability, McCallum in 2015-16 has the upside to be a better fit than Joseph was in 2014-15.

Obstructed_View
07-09-2015, 12:57 AM
SECOND TEAM:

Boris Diaw at point center >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excellent passer

David West (Caladan Brood) at the power forward spot >>>>>>>>very good passing big man

Slow Mo Anderson at the small forward >>>>>>>>> excellent passer

The Living God Manu at the off guard spot >>>>>>>>>>>one of the greatest passers in Earth History

Ray McCallum at point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be a good passer (haha)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ay yay yay, zizboombay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you aren't a chick, I have to give you credit for really committing to the role. :tu

ChumpDumper
07-09-2015, 12:57 AM
http://giant.gfycat.com/HarmfulFreeBull.gifLet it go, mystery initials man.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:57 AM
Just call him Ray Gun. He even kind of looks like that dude from Red Tails


so be it then, hehehe

Raygunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn is in the house!

Mr.Bottomtooth
07-09-2015, 12:58 AM
They got a decent 3rd point guard prospect for a 55-60 range pick. This is an extremely solid trade.

spurraider21
07-09-2015, 12:58 AM
if CoJo is banking 4/30 getting this guy for scraps is solid value

Kawhitstorm
07-09-2015, 12:58 AM
That would be incredible. Is that just your own wishing or is there something more to it?

I can't see ATL giving up Bazemore's bargain contract considering their lack of 3-&-D players after they lost Carroll.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 12:58 AM
Um, how did he cut in line ahead of Patty?


just enjoying the permutation

Patty is our second court general, no doubt.............luv Patty

Aztecfan03
07-09-2015, 12:59 AM
He's an RFA this upcoming summer, and his QO would be $1.2 Million. He's not actually under contract after this season.
you're right. not sure why spotrac put that extra year in.

100%duncan
07-09-2015, 12:59 AM
For those saying his advance stats are terrible, he actually has better advance stats than Patty w/ the Blazers.
-Patty: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html#all_advanced
-McCallum: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mccalra01.html#all_advanced

There you go :tu

Uriel
07-09-2015, 12:59 AM
CoJo had a real-plus minus of +0.88, 25th among PG's in the NBA. McCallum, by contrast, was -4.43, 4th worst in the entire league.

If our goal is to win now we would've been better off signing Miller (-1.62, ranked 44th) or Nelson (-2.86, ranked 62nd) for the minimum. Doing so would've allowed us to preserve cap space while not surrendering any assets.

Uriel
07-09-2015, 01:00 AM
For those saying his advance stats are terrible, he actually has better advance stats than Patty w/ the Blazers.
-Patty: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html#all_advanced
-McCallum: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mccalra01.html#all_advanced
Good find. :tu That's encouraging. Hopefully playing in the Spurs' system allows McCallum to improve.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:01 AM
Damn, I like the move. He's an interesting player who has never really had a fair chance to show what he can do at the NBA level since he's been stuck in the cesspool known as the Kings organization.

First of all, he's not really a natural point guard. McCallum is more of a shooting guard in a point guard body. But, hey, it works for Patty Mills and with the return of Ginobili, the backup point guard really doesn't need to be a playmaker with natural passing acuity.

McCallum has good size (I'd say he's solidly built ~6-foot-2) for a point guard and pretty good athleticism. The Kings never really had him play much defense but he has the tools succeed. He won't be as good as Joseph on D but it wouldn't be a surprise if he becomes the best defensive PG on the team.

Why he might be even a better fit than Joseph is that he can shoot threes. And not only wide open threes, he could become the type of volume three-point shooter who can knock down contested looks. He slumped on three-pointers last year but going for the Kings to the Spurs will result in much better looks, which should elevate that percentage.

Comparing Joseph to McCallum:

-Both aren't really true point guards but they do a decent imitation.

-Both take care of the ball really well. Neither one turns it over and post 2-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratios.

-Joseph is the better slasher and finisher but McCallum is the better shooter.

-Joseph is a much better defender but McCallum has the tools to be a plus on that end as well.

Overall, it's a nice move. Didn't give up much and got a player who fits really well into Joseph's role. Given his shooting ability, McCallum in 2015-16 has the upside to be a better fit than Joseph was in 2014-15.



yes, yes, yes!!!!

when Sir Timvp writes, our anxieties are diminished, hehe

----------------------------------------------------------------------

two more, two more

let the spell give us

may it be

Mr. Body
07-09-2015, 01:01 AM
Ray McCallum. The name of a used car salesman.

100%duncan
07-09-2015, 01:02 AM
Damn, I like the move. He's an interesting player who has never really had a fair chance to show what he can do at the NBA level since he's been stuck in the cesspool known as the Kings organization.

First of all, he's not really a natural point guard. McCallum is more of a shooting guard in a point guard body. But, hey, it works for Patty Mills and with the return of Ginobili, the backup point guard really doesn't need to be a playmaker with natural passing acuity.

McCallum has good size (I'd say he's solidly built ~6-foot-2) for a point guard and pretty good athleticism. The Kings never really had him play much defense but he has the tools succeed. He won't be as good as Joseph on D but it wouldn't be a surprise if he becomes the best defensive PG on the team.

Why he might be even a better fit than Joseph is that he can shoot threes. And not only wide open threes, he could become the type of volume three-point shooter who can knock down contested looks. He slumped on three-pointers last year but going for the Kings to the Spurs will result in much better looks, which should elevate that percentage.

Comparing Joseph to McCallum:

-Both aren't really true point guards but they do a decent imitation.

-Both take care of the ball really well. Neither one turns it over and post 2-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratios.

-Joseph is the better slasher and finisher but McCallum is the better shooter.

-Joseph is a much better defender but McCallum has the tools to be a plus on that end as well.

Overall, it's a nice move. Didn't give up much and got a player who fits really well into Joseph's role. Given his shooting ability, McCallum in 2015-16 has the upside to be a better fit than Joseph was in 2014-15.

I think we are really aiming for spacing and more spacing. Which is what ray has an advantage over cory. The 2nd unit would be disgustingly good and we wouldnt have to rely on manu to do all the dirty work.

Vic Petro
07-09-2015, 01:02 AM
http://giant.gfycat.com/HarmfulFreeBull.gif

$30 million

Fireball
07-09-2015, 01:03 AM
looks like a great pick up ....

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:03 AM
Getting to know Ray:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfBIwpE3Nl8

tesseractive
07-09-2015, 01:03 AM
just enjoying the permutation

Patty is our second court general, no doubt.............luv Patty
No worries, just checking.

DPG21920
07-09-2015, 01:03 AM
CoJo had a real-plus minus of +0.88, 25th among PG's in the NBA. McCallum, by contrast, was -4.43, 4th worst in the entire league.

If our goal is to win now we would've been better off signing Miller (-1.62, ranked 44th) or Nelson (-2.86, ranked 62nd) for the minimum. Doing so would've allowed us to preserve cap space while not surrendering any assets.

Not that the numbers are wrong, but a few points:

1) There is no cap space worth preserving now - w/ the jump in the cap it's all good
2) Spurs didn't give up assets, they gave up what appears to be 1 2nd rounder
3) While your numbers are correct - Spurs taking an educated guess that a better system will result in better numbers.

Kawhitstorm
07-09-2015, 01:03 AM
CoJo had a real-plus minus of +0.88, 25th among PG's in the NBA. McCallum, by contrast, was -4.43, 4th worst in the entire league.

If our goal is to win now we would've been better off signing Miller (-1.62, ranked 44th) or Nelson (-2.86, ranked 62nd) for the minimum. Doing so would've allowed us to preserve cap space while not surrendering any assets.

Nelson/Miller played w/ LEGIT starters meanwhile McCallum was playing alongside scrubs. Of course his +/- is going to suffer if he's playing w/ inferior players.

BatManu20
07-09-2015, 01:04 AM
Looks like McCallum will be rocking Marco's old #3. Hopefully he has the same cojones in big game situations as the Italian Stallion, tbh.

KDKSpurs24
07-09-2015, 01:04 AM
CoJo had a real-plus minus of +0.88, 25th among PG's in the NBA. McCallum, by contrast, was -4.43, 4th worst in the entire league.

If our goal is to win now we would've been better off signing Miller (-1.62, ranked 44th) or Nelson (-2.86, ranked 62nd) for the minimum. Doing so would've allowed us to preserve cap space while not surrendering any assets.

The man is gonna be playing on a better, smarter team. Calm down. Trust PATFO and give em a chance :bobo

100%duncan
07-09-2015, 01:04 AM
CoJo had a real-plus minus of +0.88, 25th among PG's in the NBA. McCallum, by contrast, was -4.43, 4th worst in the entire league.

If our goal is to win now we would've been better off signing Miller (-1.62, ranked 44th) or Nelson (-2.86, ranked 62nd) for the minimum. Doing so would've allowed us to preserve cap space while not surrendering any assets.

Miller wouldnt have provided spacing and is so old he would be a liability in defense like Marco without the shooting. Nelson wanted to be a starter for a contender.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:04 AM
he seems to be a nice guy, hmmmmm.....

timvp
07-09-2015, 01:05 AM
CoJo had a real-plus minus of +0.88, 25th among PG's in the NBA. McCallum, by contrast, was -4.43, 4th worst in the entire league.

If our goal is to win now we would've been better off signing Miller (-1.62, ranked 44th) or Nelson (-2.86, ranked 62nd) for the minimum. Doing so would've allowed us to preserve cap space while not surrendering any assets.

I can't take any plus/minus stats seriously that involve bit players on a team as dysfunctional as last season's Kings, tbh.

Aztecfan03
07-09-2015, 01:05 AM
SECOND TEAM:

Boris Diaw at point center >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excellent passer

David West (Caladan Brood) at the power forward spot >>>>>>>>very good passing big man

Slow Mo Anderson at the small forward >>>>>>>>> excellent passer

The Living God Manu at the off guard spot >>>>>>>>>>>one of the greatest passers in Earth History

Ray McCallum at point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>seems to be a good passer (haha)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ay yay yay, zizboombay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Ray is ahead of Patty already?

DPG21920
07-09-2015, 01:05 AM
This teams ceiling just keeps climbing. Wouldn't say Rays ceiling in a bubble is better than Cory's but like Timvp said - fit might be better. Hole filled with best of ability.

BatManu20
07-09-2015, 01:05 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJc176WUwAAt605.jpg

HI-FI
07-09-2015, 01:07 AM
I'm liking what I see on the kid. RC is a boss.

http://giant.gfycat.com/HarmfulFreeBull.gif
:lol

outmap
07-09-2015, 01:08 AM
A back-up point guard talent that will basically be a 3rd stringer with the Spurs, good trade IMHO. No let's get that back-up center and 3rd stringer wing (Jeff Whitey and Wayne Ellington)!

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:08 AM
he likes candies too, like me

woooooooooooooooooooo

Obstructed_View
07-09-2015, 01:09 AM
The Spurs just replaced a 7 million a year player with a 800k a year player. That there's any comparison between them shows what a good deal this is.

Yuixafun
07-09-2015, 01:09 AM
High basketball iq guys, tough and hungry... La played with a torn ligament for 3 months or something right, and David West is a known a quantity... RM is coaches son and built like a pit, must feel elated to come to place with plenty of sunshine to blossom.

I have a gut feeling this team will gel quick.... The Spurs really needed this precise type of influx to be reinvigorated.

Uriel
07-09-2015, 01:09 AM
Nelson/Miller played w/ LEGIT starters meanwhile McCallum was playing alongside scrubs. Of course his +/- is going to suffer if he's playing w/ inferior players.

I can't take any plus/minus stats seriously that involve bit players on a team as dysfunctional as last season's Kings, tbh.
Real-plus minus, by definition, was designed to isolate the impact of the individual player, regardless of his teammates on the floor.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:10 AM
So Ray is ahead of Patty already?


nope, just playing around with the lineup....

aal04
07-09-2015, 01:10 AM
Why are we wasting our time signing 3rd string PGs.

I say we semi-blow up the team, trade off Splitter, Belli, Cojo and go after an All-star like LMA or West, why not both? One can only dream. message me when we do something big like this.

steeledl
07-09-2015, 01:10 AM
Me and my little brother Nathan89 both agree he looks like the next Gary Payton.

ChumpDumper
07-09-2015, 01:10 AM
Real-plus minus, by definition, was designed to isolate the impact of the individual player, regardless of his teammates on the floor.See? I told you it's a disaster!

timvp
07-09-2015, 01:11 AM
I don't think Vlade and that owner know what they're doing at all so it's nice to get in on the action while the getting is good. A legit NBA player who is only 24 with untapped upside for a future second round pick that will likely be in the 50s? Uh, yeah, this was a no-brainer of a deal.

FireMicoHalili
07-09-2015, 01:11 AM
http://giant.gfycat.com/HarmfulFreeBull.gif
Can't you just post this in the Cory Joseph appreciation thread? Of course this doesn't compare to what Ray McCallum has done for the Kings. Neither will this do anything to comparisons between both point guards. Sure, Ray McCallum is untested but the Spurs' front office knows what it's doing, the same trust each fan should repose in them when they drafted Joseph, a relatively unknown, back in 2011. This stuff just reminds me of apalisoc reminding everyone how great Splitter was in the Aldridge and West threads. I don't think fans lack any appreciation at all. Do the posters have to all say thank you before a player leaves and gets replaced? Yeesh, "true fans". Or those who feel like they are.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:12 AM
another good character guy, how can the Spurs be so lucky????

tim_duncan_fan
07-09-2015, 01:12 AM
Is he scared to dribble North/South...cause....I mean....I liked CoJo and all but sometimes....dude would get hung up on the perimeter moving laterally.

He was not a bad defender though and that Ibaka posterize is all-time great.

But yeah...he seemed scared to handle the ball at times.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:12 AM
Ray M during draft day:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA4zgJsoFiI

slick'81
07-09-2015, 01:12 AM
I don't think Vlade and that owner know what they're doing at all so it's nice to get in on the action while the getting is good. A legit NBA player who is only 24 with untapped upside for a future second round pick that will likely be in the 50s? Uh, yeah, this was a no-brainer of a deal.

Vlade has been getting raped this off season

spursparker9
07-09-2015, 01:13 AM
Look like a Mini-Iverson on his highlights

DPG21920
07-09-2015, 01:13 AM
I don't think Vlade and that owner know what they're doing at all so it's nice to get in on the action while the getting is good. A legit NBA player who is only 24 with untapped upside for a future second round pick that will likely be in the 50s? Uh, yeah, this was a no-brainer of a deal.

:lol Kings make a great pick with a 2nd rounder & trade him for a worse pick than they had to pick him.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:14 AM
i like this guy!!!!

Patty's gonna have some competition now...i hope this inspires Patty to grow more, and be in the best shape of his life

timvp
07-09-2015, 01:15 AM
Real-plus minus, by definition, was designed to isolate the impact of the individual player, regardless of his teammates on the floor.

In most situations, I think it's a useful tool. But last year's Kings team was such a dumpster fire that I wouldn't trust any statistic associated with that team. You had players quitting on coaches. Coaches quitting on players. An owner meddling with coaches. And about the worst chemistry imaginable.

Cory Joseph wouldn't be signing a $30 million deal if he played for the Kings last year, let's just put it that way.

Obstructed_View
07-09-2015, 01:15 AM
Real-plus minus, by definition, was designed to isolate the impact of the individual player, regardless of his teammates on the floor.

And it's quite faulty, particularly when taken completely by itself.

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/4/8/5594238/problem-with-real-plus-minus

Chinook
07-09-2015, 01:16 AM
Real-plus minus, by definition, was designed to isolate the impact of the individual player, regardless of his teammates on the floor.

That doesn't mean it does a perfect job at it. And as Harlem says, it's completely agnostic to context. Simply having a higher RPM doesn't make you a better player, and especially not a better fit.

SpursFan86
07-09-2015, 01:16 AM
Bringing up numbers to show what a guy did with one of the worst organizations in basketball is a bit misleading...I'm not saying he'll break out and be some high quality backup PG, but there's more to it than just RPM. The Spurs are a heavily analytics-based organization - I guarantee you they've seen every number imaginable regarding this guy :lol It's not as easy as "Oh this guy ranked terribly according to RPM, he must be worthless as a player". Clearly they see something they like, and more often than not, that means good things for us as Spurs fans.

Regardless, we gave up a pick in the 55-60s. How many players selected in that range end up being actual NBA players who can contribute any whatsoever? Don't see how anyone could dislike or criticize this trade tbh. As others have said, I'm just glad we went after a young guy with upside as opposed to some old POS like Andre Miller.

Obstructed_View
07-09-2015, 01:16 AM
Valde has been getting raped this off season

He's intending to draw a foul any minute now.

Obstructed_View
07-09-2015, 01:17 AM
It's not as easy as "Oh this guy ranked terribly according to RPM, he must be worthless as a player".

Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that someone in the Kings organization said exactly that?

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:19 AM
good character guy, high basketball IQ, young and hungry, could develop more

what more can we want

this offseason, we Spurs fans are like little daughters being treated to all the possible treats by a doting Dad, lol

SpurPadre
07-09-2015, 01:20 AM
As someone who lives about 40 minutes away from Sac, I've seen my share of the kid and he's a solid pickup for our third string PG. He won't embarrass himself when he gets a spot start or two once Pop rests TP. He can play some D though not as well as CoJo but he's a better passer and floor general than him. PATFO strike again!

Arcadian
07-09-2015, 01:20 AM
I thought we needed a SG or SF more than anything, but OK. Right now it's just Green, Ginobili, and Leonard. I guess there's Anderson, but I was hoping we could upgrade at that position.

tim_duncan_fan
07-09-2015, 01:21 AM
We're gonna be calling for this kid to start over TP at some point this season. Looks physically capable.

He's already a 7 point scorer. We can make that 10 pretty easily.

Guys this season is going to be fun. *Crosses fingers*


Welcome to the fam, Ray Mcallum.


(PATFO just almost literally saved a guy from hell.)



I thought we needed a SG or SF more than anything, but OK. Right now it's just Green, Ginobili, and Leonard. I guess there's Anderson, but I was hoping we could upgrade at that position.

We had literally one guy that is a good ball-handler and that guy is fat and doesn't have court vision. We needed a back-up point really badly. People are saying this guy will be our third string point, but he's actually the second.

Patty is a two in every sense except height.

ChumpDumper
07-09-2015, 01:22 AM
I thought we needed a SG or SF more than anything, but OK. Right now it's just Green, Ginobili, and Leonard. I guess there's Anderson, but I was hoping we could upgrade at that position.July 9 concerns.

spurraider21
07-09-2015, 01:22 AM
I thought we needed a SG or SF more than anything, but OK. Right now it's just Green, Ginobili, and Leonard. I guess there's Anderson, but I was hoping we could upgrade at that position.
our roster isn't full yet

Yuixafun
07-09-2015, 01:22 AM
Funny analogy, as most of use are grown men but.... Ya I guess it feels that way lol

timvp
07-09-2015, 01:22 AM
I thought we needed a SG or SF more than anything, but OK. Right now it's just Green, Ginobili, and Leonard. I guess there's Anderson, but I was hoping we could upgrade at that position.

This trade was a no-brainer regardless of what the Spurs roster looked like. That the Spurs actually need a third point guard makes it even better.

McCallum isn't a savior or anything but his value is much higher than what the Spurs are giving up.

SpursFan86
07-09-2015, 01:23 AM
I thought we needed a SG or SF more than anything, but OK. Right now it's just Green, Ginobili, and Leonard. I guess there's Anderson, but I was hoping we could upgrade at that position.

What makes you think we won't add anyone else? It's July 9th :lol We're not going to roll into the regular season with a 10 or 11-man roster.

And fwiw, the most pressing need IMO is a legitimate center who can play spot minutes. Diaw/West are capable of playing some minutes there, but it's not ideal.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:24 AM
Sirs,

can we now compete with the Golden State backcourt?

SpurPadre
07-09-2015, 01:25 AM
Bringing up numbers to show what a guy did with one of the worst organizations in basketball is a bit misleading...I'm not saying he'll break out and be some high quality backup PG, but there's more to it than just RPM. The Spurs are a heavily analytics-based organization - I guarantee you they've seen every number imaginable regarding this guy :lol It's not as easy as "Oh this guy ranked terribly according to RPM, he must be worthless as a player". Clearly they see something they like, and more often than not, that means good things for us as Spurs fans.

Regardless, we gave up a pick in the 55-60s. How many players selected in that range end up being actual NBA players who can contribute any whatsoever? Don't see how anyone could dislike or criticize this trade tbh. As others have said, I'm just glad we went after a young guy with upside as opposed to some old POS like Andre Miller.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFUE_9kOW93pgX1zqy-YBNkNcKPPVfT7yJMtRByufcvO6eJfFQdUn4_UND Hola!

Besides that, I agree with your main points.

KDKSpurs24
07-09-2015, 01:25 AM
He's been working out with Russell Westbrook this summer?! Hell yeah! :toast

100%duncan
07-09-2015, 01:25 AM
I thought we needed a SG or SF more than anything, but OK. Right now it's just Green, Ginobili, and Leonard. I guess there's Anderson, but I was hoping we could upgrade at that position.
Kent bazemore

spurraider21
07-09-2015, 01:25 AM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFUE_9kOW93pgX1zqy-YBNkNcKPPVfT7yJMtRByufcvO6eJfFQdUn4_UND Hola!

Besides that, I agree with your main points.
you need to stop bringing up this one outlier :lol... we all like manu

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:26 AM
backup center, and reserve coming...........................

relax, relax........

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:27 AM
backup center, and reserve coming...........................

relax, relax........


i mean reserve wing

SpurPadre
07-09-2015, 01:27 AM
Sirs,

can we now compete with the Golden State backcourt?

We could compete with their backcourt before this, tbh. Still a solid pickup, though.

tim_duncan_fan
07-09-2015, 01:27 AM
Dude is 50% from the floor over his last five games, including an absolute stinker 1-7 effort.

Color me officially intrigued.

GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
07-09-2015, 01:27 AM
Would be cool if he gets added to Vegas Summer League team

Holden_Caulfield
07-09-2015, 01:28 AM
hopefully he ends up like whiteside :lol

SpurPadre
07-09-2015, 01:28 AM
you need to stop bringing up this one outlier :lol... we all like manu

Can't help it, tbh.

Vokun
07-09-2015, 01:29 AM
Parker stay be helping players get recruited. Was there any player last year that didn't score 20 on Parker?

ducks
07-09-2015, 01:29 AM
Sounds like patty mills replacement when contract is up

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:29 AM
oh my, he was last year's summer league MVP!!!!

didnt know that, hmmmm......

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2137228-ray-mccallum-wins-las-vegas-nba-summer-league-2014-championship-mvp-award

milkyway21
07-09-2015, 01:29 AM
Used to do his off season work outs with Westbrook, must have learned some few things ..and he's not afraid to shoot..

Good insurance, just in case

Nathan89
07-09-2015, 01:29 AM
Would be cool if he gets added to Vegas Summer League team

That would be awesome and make summer league more interesting.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:30 AM
Unlike so many others, Ray McCallum (http://bleacherreport.com/ray-mccallum) is departing from LasVegas as a winner.
The Sacramento Kings topped the Houston Rockets, 77-68, in Monday night's Las Vegas Summer League championship, and the second-year point guard took home championship game MVP after pouring in 29 points on 9-of-15 shooting.

james evans
07-09-2015, 01:30 AM
I wish there were a youtube video of his defense.
without seeing it, I know for a fact it's not worse than parker's.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:31 AM
wtf, this boy is an MVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shit, hahahahahaha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-BXBoOw-NI

palangi
07-09-2015, 01:31 AM
Hopefully he goes to Vegas and starts to learn the system

SpurPadre
07-09-2015, 01:32 AM
without seeing it, I know for a fact it's not worse than parker's.

He can stay with his man and he's got busy hands with decent ball-stripping ability.

steeledl
07-09-2015, 01:32 AM
That would be awesome and make summer league more interesting.


I agree.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:33 AM
We could compete with their backcourt before this, tbh. Still a solid pickup, though.


our future is bright!!!!!

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:36 AM
if the Spurs allow you to leave:

Splitter
Baynes
Cojo

they got a better replacement for you:

LMA >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tiago

DWest >>>>>>>>>>>>> Baynes

MVPRay >>>>>>>>>>>> Cojo

hahahahahaha!!!

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttt!!!!

milkyway21
07-09-2015, 01:37 AM
Pop really taking tabs on his opponents stats, this guy played well against the Spurs I think 20 pts in February if I'm not mistaken...

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:38 AM
haaahh, my day is complete

we shall probably have the reserve big two days from now, and the final reserve wing two days after that.....


haaaaayyyyy, cant wait.....

Budkin
07-09-2015, 01:45 AM
Hell yeah, great pickup!

milkyway21
07-09-2015, 01:47 AM
Practically a decent PG for just a future 2nd rnd pick.. Practically almost for nothing...
What the ( ) Sacramento was thinking? Ho ! Ho!

A steal again

Trill Clinton
07-09-2015, 01:48 AM
I miss Cojo.:depressed

me toohttp://i57.tinypic.com/zy8ty0.png

SpurPadre
07-09-2015, 01:50 AM
Practically a decent PG for just a future 2nd pick.. Practically almost for nothing...
What the ( ) Sacramento was thinking? Ho ! Ho!

A steal again

Yup and he's not a downgrade from CoJo and has more upside than him to boot.

Kawhitstorm
07-09-2015, 01:50 AM
Pop really taking tabs on his opponents stats, this guy played well against the Spurs I think 20 pts in February if I'm not mistaken...

That's actually Doc Rivers otherwise Pop would have sign Mo Williams

Trill Clinton
07-09-2015, 01:50 AM
i remember this dude from ballin' on fat tony

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 01:52 AM
enjoying the afternoon
--------------------------------------------------

let's eat "pansit" dear Sirs,

come, have some.....while we contemplate our new boy, MVPRay.......

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do you like to eat pansit??

timtonymanu
07-09-2015, 01:54 AM
Damn that's a solid pickup.

Spurs are really doing work this offseason.

chunticakes
07-09-2015, 01:55 AM
enjoying the afternoon
--------------------------------------------------

let's eat "pansit" dear Sirs,

come, have some.....while we contemplate our new boy, MVPRay.......

----------------------------------------

do you like to eat pansit??

Pansit is good. How bout some Lechon?

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 02:04 AM
Pansit is good. How bout some Lechon?


delicious Kuya,

but lechon is LaMarcus, so im enjoying Ray right now, hahahaha

Lostwingman
07-09-2015, 02:05 AM
How did we swing this one? Is this just a "only Sacremento could give us a quality backup for peanuts"?

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 02:05 AM
For Ray McCallum, welcome to the Spurs:

YYYYYyyyyyyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiihhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUBTtHm4rnc

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 02:06 AM
"Wandering in the winterlight, the WICKED (Lebron James) and the sane? "(Deandre Jordan) or insane, hahahaha

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 02:07 AM
Pop is about to get a call from Lebron....................hahahaha

Inquiring about ........................(FILL IN THE BLANKS!)

Nathan89
07-09-2015, 02:09 AM
This might just be Danny Green's little brother.

Manu-of-steel
07-09-2015, 02:10 AM
You should try lumping, it's tasty too..

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 02:10 AM
To Mark Cuban, from DeAndre Jordan:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2C5TjS2sh4

------------------------------------------------------------------


"It Must Have Been Love"

(it must have been love but it's over now)

Lay a whisper on my pillow,
Leave the winter on the ground.
I wake up lonely, there's air of silence
In the bedroom and all around

Touch me now, I close my eyes and dream away.

It must have been love but it's over now.
It must have been good but I lost it somehow.
It must have been love but it's over now.
From the moment we touched, 'til the time had run out.

Make-believing we're together
That I'm sheltered by your heart.
But in and outside I've turned to water
Like a teardrop in your palm.

And it's a hard winter's day, I dream away.

It must have been love but it's over now.
It was all that I wanted, now I'm living without.
It must have been love but it's over now,
It's where the water flows, it's where the wind blows.

It must have been love but it's over now.
It must have been good but I lost it somehow.
It must have been love but it's over now.
From the moment we touched, 'til the time had run out.

Yeah, it must have been love but it's over now.
It was all that I wanted, now I'm living without.
It must have been love but it's over now,
It's where the water flows, it's where the wind blows.

(must have been love but it's over now [2x])

Manu-of-steel
07-09-2015, 02:10 AM
Pansit is good. How bout some Lechon?

Try some lumpia, it's tasty too!

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 02:11 AM
You should try lumping, it's tasty too..


You mean LUMPIA Sir?

yup, its delicious too.....

Manu-of-steel
07-09-2015, 02:11 AM
We have someone to stop Westbrook. He'll be a Westbrook stopper!

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 02:11 AM
poor Mavs, how can they move on from this?

peacemaker885
07-09-2015, 02:13 AM
George Karl giving Pop a solid.

Spursfanfromafar
07-09-2015, 02:13 AM
Great pick-up. The kid had serious potential before being made to play in a dysfunctional Kings squad for the past 2 years:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/damian-lillard-ray-mccallum-and-the-key-to-nba-success-for-mid-major-point-guards/ ..for e.g.

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 02:14 AM
We have someone to stop Westbrook. He'll be a Westbrook stopper!


and then we have David West and LMA against Ibaka!!!!

cutewizard
07-09-2015, 02:15 AM
i wonder what Lebron is thinking right now?

He seems to be the GM for the Cavs too!

So, what are his moves so far?