Tim Duncan Finalizing 2 Year Deal Starting at $5 Million

[loveforthegame]

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Simply amazing the sacrifice he's making. :worthy:

[Aztecfan03]

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Simply amazing the sacrifice he's making. :worthy:
sounds like we have a little cap room then.

[NASpurs]

:wow $5 M?

[spurraider21]

:wow

[buttsR4rebounding]

WE ARE WITNESS!!!!

[MeloHype]

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[spurspokesman]

The spurs owe there success to Mr. Duncan. He has been the secret weapon of a small market franchise that has enjoyed major market franchise success. His sacrifices year in and out has been a big factor of why the spurs are able to field a good to great team year in and out. Cheers Mr. Duncan:bobo

[Robz4000]

:worthy:

[BillMc]

The spurs owe there success to Mr. Duncan. He has been the secret weapon of a small market franchise that has enjoyed major market franchise success. His sacrifices year in and out has been a big factor of why the spurs are able to field a good to great team year in and out. Cheers Mr. Duncan:bobo

+1 billion

(and hope he plays both years! :toast)

[Ron Swanson]

$5 million? Holy shit.

[Fireball]

he is just awesome ... GOAT

[Seventyniner]

With this news and the cap being a bit higher than expected, can the Spurs get enough cap space to give Manu the same money as the room exception without actually using it?

[timtonymanu]

5 million a year for a top 15 player in the league.

That's why he's GOAT.

[BillMc]

With this news and the cap being a bit higher than expected, can the Spurs get enough cap space to give Manu the same money as the room exception without actually using it?

Good question. Maybe they have someone they're targeting.

[daledondale]

Nice, very nice. We have him and Manu making sacrifices, let's hope that can have their last ring. :flag:

[SpurPadre]

With this sacrifice, he deserves to finish out these next two years with that elusive repeat.

[gameFACE]

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:

Time to get the man B2B championships!

[baseline bum]

Man, Duncan's worth $20 million and he signs for $5 million so the Spurs can go get another $20 million player too? And West is probably an $8 or $9 million player for $1.5 million. We have to be the most fucking spoiled fanbase in all of professional sports.

[BillMc]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/694/801/duncandandd_display_image.jpg?1324335310

[MultiTroll]

:toast

Don't screw this one up Pockface.

[100%duncan]

Meanwhile demoneky gets 20 mil.


:worthy:

[biziofromdowntown]

Tim = GOD

[buttsR4rebounding]

Man, Duncan's worth $20 million and he signs for $5 million so the Spurs can go get another $20 million player too? And West is probably an $8 or $9 million player for $1.5 million. We have to be the most fucking spoiled fanbase in all of professional sports.

Ain't it great?!?!

[beirmeistr]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/694/801/duncandandd_display_image.jpg?1324335310

nicely done

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

This basically means the Spurs will absolutely have the Room Exception, as they have enough to sign Manu to his deal using Cap Space. They just have to cut Williams and renounce Bonner. They can always resign both to the Vet Min.

With the Room Exception available, I hope the Spurs offer it to Shved. He would be the perfect wing in the Spurs system. I guess Duncan took less so the Spurs could have the Room to add yet another piece to the roster. Nothing but Love for Duncan both on and off the court.

[Chinook]

I'd rather the Spurs hold onto the space than the room exception as long as they can. Cap space is more valuable.

But I wonder why Tim took the discount? Cap space is cool, but it's limited. Do they plan on making another trade (only thing cap space can do that exceptions can't [besides claiming guys off waivers])?

[Spur-Addict]

Wow...

[BillMc]

With this sacrifice, he deserves to finish out these next two years with that elusive repeat.

Agreed.

And I trust PATFO to maximize our chances. Meanwhile, poor Dirk gave away all that cash and the Mavs squandered it...

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I'd rather the Spurs hold onto the space than the room exception as long as they can. Cap space is more valuable.

But I wonder why Tim took the discount? Cap space is cool, but it's limited. Do they plan on making another trade (only thing cap space can do that exceptions can't [besides claiming guys off waivers])?

Spurs will have about 3mil in Cap if they do use the room exception on Manu, sign Duncan to a 5mil year deal and Sign LMA. That is enough to lure another solid contributor for the Spurs bench. Like I said, I hope its Shved. Give Pop a player to talk Russian to.

[dgspursforlife]

Holy shit...
:worthy:

[xellos88330]

These players better win and repeat for Duncan. He sacrificed a ton of money for them all. They better pay off that debt with their play on the hardwood. GO SPURS GO!!!

[DarkGinobili]

:flag::wowShit...

[BillMc]

What is the maximum according to league rules he could be paid year 2?

[Chinook]

What is the maximum according to league rules he could be paid year 2?

$5.375 Million

[DesignatedT]

Anyway to sign Manu to the remaining cap space and have the a Room Exception to chase someone else?

[spurraider21]

Anyway to sign Manu to the remaining cap space and have the a Room Exception to chase someone else?
pretty sure that's whats happening

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

What is the maximum according to league rules he could be paid year 2?

More than likely he will opt and sign for a little more if he does decide to play another year as the cap is suppose to go to 90mil next year. This year's deal ensures the Spurs have some extra cap space to get another Solid contributor. So Green or Kawhi won't be resigned until the Spurs decide what to do with it.

[Mugen]

You fatsos don't deserve Timmy tbh.

[BillMc]

$5.375 Million

Thanks. So, if tim retires after this season he'd get that too, right?

[Chinook]

Thanks. So, if tim retires after this season he'd get that too, right?

If he wants.

[BillMc]

More than likely he will opt and sign for a little more if he does decide to play another year as the cap is suppose to go to 90mil next year. This year's deal ensures the Spurs have some extra cap space to get another Solid contributor. So Green or Kawhi won't be resigned until the Spurs decide what to do with it.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

[024]

Duncan better be well compensated after he retires......

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Thanks. So, if tim retires after this season he'd get that too, right?

Who cares. When he retires he can be the team's ambassador or whatever for $10 mil per.

[Duncanforthree]

This fan base barely deserves him.

What a fucking rock star.

I bow to you Mr. Duncan.

[spurraider21]

Thanks. So, if tim retires after this season he'd get that too, right?


If he wants.
has that ever happened though? i remember we used to discuss this

[Beaverfuzz]

Tim will be given part ownership when he's done, that's all but guaranteed.

[Spurs9]

Lets get Durrant next year. :bobo

[Dex]

I'd be hard pressed to name a player who has done more for a single organization than Tim Duncan has for the Spurs.

[spurspokesman]

It's hard to believe players have not lined up over the years to play with tim. He has been the definition of a model team mate. When others mess up he fields the blame (unlike KOME) when they are due for contracts he takes less to keep them(unlike KOME) and he never throws his teammates under the bus. I hope Tim wins 2 more for all his sacrifices, his Jersey will always hang in my mancave as I don't think another spur will replace him.

[MI21]

Amazing. Timmy is the absolute best :toast

[Spursmania]

The spurs owe there success to Mr. Duncan. He has been the secret weapon of a small market franchise that has enjoyed major market franchise success. His sacrifices year in and out has been a big factor of why the spurs are able to field a good to great team year in and out. Cheers Mr. Duncan:bobo

This cannot be stated and bolded enough! Incredible sacrifice from Tim, and his character is heads and shoulders above so many players like the Deandre Jordans, Kobe Bryants, et al…

[RD2191]

Duncan deserved better than the shitfest Pop and Parker pulled against the Clips. Pop pulling Patty for Parker was a slap in the face to Duncan.

[SpurPadre]

Agreed.

And I trust PATFO to maximize our chances. Meanwhile, poor Dirk gave away all that cash and the Mavs squandered it...

Yeah but it was still a classless move by Jordan, IMO.

[Russo21]

And to think not too long ago Tim lost about 25 million being screwed over by his investor or something? And he is still sacrificing for this team and setting an example. God reincarnated.

[SupremeGuy]

:worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::w orthy:

[Brazil]

Are you kiddin' ? 5M ? if report is true... it is just unbelievable :wow

[Chinook]

has that ever happened though? i remember we used to discuss this

Yes. It happened with McDyess. Someone on the Lakers got at least a year's worth from Buss. It's a gray area legally whether a player is entitled to their remaining salary, so usually it gets arbitrated with a buyout, and it's rare for the player to NOT get a least part of their salary. That's why it was such a big deal with Kidd gave up his Knicks salary to coach the Nets.

[Seventyniner]

I'd rather the Spurs hold onto the space than the room exception as long as they can. Cap space is more valuable.

Except that the cap space will disappear once all the deals (Kawhi, Green, etc) are signed. The Spurs could hold on to the room exception for a while, right?

[jhfenton]

That number is not a coincidence. Based on my calculations, it's about what it takes for the Spurs to carry a 14-man roster and stay under the tax line. Perhaps 15 if one of them is Lalanne or another rookie.

[Chinook]

Except that the cap space will disappear once all the deals (Kawhi, Green, etc) are signed. The Spurs could hold on to the room exception for a while, right?

"as long as they can"

You're right. But the Spurs would be better off making whatever signing they want to make with that extra room now as opposed to waiting. They can use that space on trades. Can't use the RE on that.

[Chinook]

That number is not a coincidence. Based on my calculations, it's about what it takes for the Spurs to carry a 14-man roster and stay under the tax line. Perhaps 15 if one of them is Lalanne or another rookie.

I mean, the Spurs aren't THAT close to the tax line.

[BillMc]

Yeah but it was still a classless move by Jordan, IMO.

Agree 100%

[Spurfan4ever20]

i really hope the remaining cash is NOT used to sign Bonner.

[jhfenton]

I mean, the Spurs aren't THAT close to the tax line.

Add up the salaries, including the $947,276 for 4 vet min folks and McCallum (his actual salary). They're currently at $84.3MM with 14 players.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Except that the cap space will disappear once all the deals (Kawhi, Green, etc) are signed. The Spurs could hold on to the room exception for a while, right?

They would just have to sign a player first before resigning Green, Kawhi, etc. Either way, like I said, the Spurs do have enough to sign Manu using cap, so the Spurs will AT LEAST the Room to work with. I think they actually have slightly more cap right now than the Room. They just need to cut Williams and renounce Bonner, which I am thinking will happen. They can always sign those two back with the Vet Min.

The key was determining the cap and what Duncan was going to resign for. 1.5mil less than the reported 6.5 mil earlier and the cap went up by 3mil. Spurs had just enough to sign Aldridge to the Max at 67mil with Manu taking the Room and Duncan at 6.5mil. So they have at least 3-4mil in cap to work with after cutting Williams and renouncing Bonner.

[LiSpurs516]

Just for perspective


Salaries for next year:Splitter: $8.8 millionJoseph: $7M Belinelli: $6MBaynes: $6MDuncan: $5M

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

i really hope the remaining cash is NOT used to sign Bonner.

Bonner will be renounced to clear cap space and signed again using the Vet min if he comes back AFTER the signings with the open cap space are made.

[Chinook]

Add up the salaries, including the $947,276 for 4 vet min folks and McCallum (his actual salary). They're currently at $84.3MM with 14 players.

How much do you have West for? Really rough calculations have the spurs closer to $82 Million in tax.

[jhfenton]

They would just have to sign a player first before resigning Green, Kawhi, etc. Either way, like I said, the Spurs do have enough to sign Manu using cap, so the Spurs will AT LEAST the Room to work with. I think they actually have slightly more cap right now than the Room. They just need to cut Williams and renounce Bonner, which I am thinking will happen. They can always sign those two back with the Vet Min.

The key was determining the cap and what Duncan was going to resign for. 1.5mil less than the reported 6.5 mil earlier and the cap went up by 3mil. Spurs had just enough to sign Aldridge to the Max at 67mil with Manu taking the Room and Duncan at 6.5mil. So they have at least 3-4mil in cap to work with after cutting Williams and renouncing Bonner.
You're right. That number would allow Manu at something like $2,771,564 under the cap, leaving the room exception out there.

[Old School 44]

Maybe TD decided to give up money, so more could be given to West.

[jhfenton]

How much do you have West for? Really rough calculations have the spurs closer to $82 Million in tax.

His charge should be $947,276. His actual salary would be $1.49MM, but that would only matter to him.

You need to bump the KL and LMA contracts to reflect the new maxes. KL will be at $16.4MM and LMA will be at $19.7MM.

[Vic Petro]

Send Timmy out with a b2b

[ElNono]

39 year old should be playing for the vet min! Overpaid!

EDIT: oh shit, forgot to log into my testies account

[Chinook]

His charge should be $947,276. His actual salary would be $1.49MM, but that would only matter to him.

You need to bump the KL and LMA contracts to reflect the new maxes. KL will be at $16.4MM and LMA will be at $19.7MM.

Just Kawhi's. I'm assuming that everyone fits into the cap but West and Green and Leonard's overages. $8 Million for Kawhi, $3 Million for Green and $1 Million for West. That's $82 Million. Then minus the three roster charges ($1.5 Million) and you're closer to $81 Million. That's enough to fill out the roster.

[DPG21920]

Spurs should not be in danger of tax - but either way Tim did this for a reason. Maybe things changed as the variables changed but either way -Wow!

[DPG21920]

But the fact he took that number likely stemmed early on from intentions of avoiding tax & keeping Danny/Mills. When the cap jumped it likely shifted to SA having a chance at small deals like Ray while keeping the original priorities in tact. Now with the big cap jump? Means Spurs still have cap space or the room exception.

Wish Gerald Green wouldn't have taking the min w MIA now.

[ElNono]

srsly, thank you timmy! :toast

[SpursFan86]

But the fact he took that number likely stemmed early on from intentions of avoiding tax & keeping Danny/Mills. When the cap jumped it likely shifted to SA having a chance at small deals like Ray while keeping the original priorities in tact. Now with the big cap jump? Means Spurs still have cap space or the room exception.

Wish Gerald Green wouldn't have taking the min w MIA now.

Is there even a wing available worth spending that money on? Maybe I'm blanking out, but I'm having trouble thinking of one. Ellington and Green both got snatched up today. Alan Anderson is gone. Maybe Dorell Wright?

Another alternative is using that money to get a serviceable center.

[DPG21920]

Is there even a wing available worth spending that money on? Maybe I'm blanking out, but I'm having trouble thinking of one. Ellington and Green both got snatched up today. Alan Anderson is gone. Maybe Dorell Wright?

Another alternative is using that money to get a serviceable center.

There are still some options for SG&C but perhaps it comes via trade or buyout down the road. Lots of options.

[jhfenton]

Just Kawhi's. I'm assuming that everyone fits into the cap but West and Green and Leonard's overages. $8 Million for Kawhi, $3 Million for Green and $1 Million for West. That's $82 Million. Then minus the three roster charges ($1.5 Million) and you're closer to $81 Million. That's enough to fill out the roster.

OK. I'm open to the possibility that I have a number wrong, but here's what I have:


Parker @ 13,437,500
Green @ 10,000,000
Leonard @ 16,407,500
Aldridge @ 19,689,000
Duncan @ 5,000,000
Mills @ 3,578,947
Ginobili @ 2,814,000
Anderson @ 1,142,879
Diaw @ 7,500,000
West @ 947,276
McCallum @ 947,276
Vet min @ 947,276
Vet min @ 947,276
Vet min @ 947,276

Total = $84,306,206

If Ginobili signed for $2,771,564 under the cap and someone else got the Room exception, they'd be at $86,130,494 with 14 players.

[coopdogg3]

I'm liking the idea of Cole Aldrich for us at center.

[BatManu20]

Timmy the ma'fuckin Gawd. Love that dude.

[BatManu20]

Meanwhile Kobe's going to make 5X that this season alone :lol

[Chinook]

OK. I'm open to the possibility that I have a number wrong, but here's what I have:


Parker @ 13,437,500
Green @ 10,000,000
Leonard @ 16,407,500
Aldridge @ 19,689,000
Duncan @ 5,000,000
Mills @ 3,578,947
Ginobili @ 2,814,000
Anderson @ 1,142,879
Diaw @ 7,500,000
West @ 947,276
McCallum @ 947,276
Vet min @ 947,276
Vet min @ 947,276
Vet min @ 947,276

Total = $84,306,206

If Ginobili signed for $2,771,564 under the cap and someone else got the Room exception, they'd be at $86,130,494 with 14 players.

I'll have to check later. But perhaps I am missing something.

[baseline bum]

OK. I'm open to the possibility that I have a number wrong, but here's what I have:


Parker @ 13,437,500
Green @ 10,000,000
Leonard @ 16,407,500
Aldridge @ 19,689,000
Duncan @ 5,000,000
Mills @ 3,578,947
Ginobili @ 2,814,000
Anderson @ 1,142,879
Diaw @ 7,500,000
West @ 947,276
McCallum @ 947,276
Vet min @ 947,276
Vet min @ 947,276
Vet min @ 947,276

Total = $84,306,206

If Ginobili signed for $2,771,564 under the cap and someone else got the Room exception, they'd be at $86,130,494 with 14 players.

West is about $1.4 million and I think McCallum is $450k.

[jhfenton]

West is about $1.4 million and I think McCallum is $450k.

West's salary is $1.49 million. His charge to the Spurs is $947,276.

Where does your number for McCallum come from? His salary is $947,276.

[Kool Bob Love]

Timmy Da GAWD. :worthy:

[crc21209]

GOAT. Timmy will always and forever be my favorite Spur...

[Aztecfan03]

Add up the salaries, including the $947,276 for 4 vet min folks and McCallum (his actual salary). They're currently at $84.3MM with 14 players.
WOuldn't mccallum make the 11th player, so 4 more contracts adds up to 15 players.
1-5. parker,green,kawhi,lma,duncan
6-10.mills,manu,KA,diaw,west
11. mccallum

edit: i forgot west is one of those vet min folks.

[baseline bum]

West's salary is $1.49 million. His charge to the Spurs is $947,276.

Where does your number for McCallum come from? His salary is $947,276.

A quick google search on McCallum showed his salary at $490k.

[jhfenton]

WOuldn't mccallum make the 11th player, so 4 more contracts adds up to 15 players.
1-5. parker,green,kawhi,lma,duncan
6-10.mills,manu,KA,diaw,west
11. mccallum
West was the 4th vet min guy. Look at my list.

[Aztecfan03]

A quick google search on McCallum showed his salary at $490k.
that's wrong. It's 900 something thousand.

[jhfenton]

A quick google search on McCallum showed his salary at $490k.

That's not correct according to several online sources. It also wouldn't match with the current rookie scale for a 3rd year 2nd rounder.

[SnakeBoy]

Duncan better be well compensated after he retires......

I have a feeling that someday Timmy will be the highest paid part time asst coach in history...or maybe he'll just be called a consultant.

[Chinook]

That's not correct according to several online sources. It also wouldn't match with the current rookie scale for a 3rd year 2nd rounder.

Nor would it matter, since the contract gets scaled up for tax purposes.

[Richie]

Duncan at $5m gives us around $2.8m in cap room. Expect us to sign Manu to cap space and keep the Room Exception for a waived player mid season

[jhfenton]

Nor would it matter, since the contract gets scaled up for tax purposes.

Right. Which is why the number is the same $947,276 as the other vet mins. That's the two-year vet min.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Duncan at $5m gives us around $2.8m in cap room. Expect us to sign Manu to cap space and keep the Room Exception for a waived player mid season

If the Spurs waive Williams and renounce Bonner (which they probably will as both can be brought back with the Vet min), they will have the full MLE. But factor in the Ray trade and so they will have around 4.3mil in cap to work. That should be more than enough to sign an impact player. They will have to use this before signing Green/Kawhi/West, etc.

As I have said repeatedly, I hope the Spurs try and get Shved. Be the perfect replacement for the Beli role on this team. If Butler wants to come here, he can for the Vet Min like West.

[jhfenton]

If the Spurs waive Williams and renounce Bonner (which they probably will as both can be brought back with the Vet min), they will have the full MLE. But factor in the Ray trade and so they will have around 4.3mil in cap to work. That should be more than enough to sign an impact player. They will have to use this before signing Green/Kawhi/West, etc.

As I have said repeatedly, I hope the Spurs try and get Shved. Be the perfect replacement for the Beli role on this team. If Butler wants to come here, he can for the Vet Min like West.

No. Richie was correct. They'll have $2,771,564 or so under the cap to sign Manu. That will put them exactly at $70.0MM.

They will not have the full MLE, just the Room.

Edited: Did you gross up LMA's contract to the actual max based on the new cap? It will be at $19,689,000, a lot more than originally estimated.

[silverblackfan]

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Simply amazing the sacrifice he's making. :worthy:

GOAT!

[kobyz]

If the Spurs waive Williams and renounce Bonner (which they probably will as both can be brought back with the Vet min), they will have the full MLE. But factor in the Ray trade and so they will have around 4.3mil in cap to work. That should be more than enough to sign an impact player. They will have to use this before signing Green/Kawhi/West, etc.

As I have said repeatedly, I hope the Spurs try and get Shved. Be the perfect replacement for the Beli role on this team. If Butler wants to come here, he can for the Vet Min like West.
Shaved is a bonehead player...

[Nathan89]

Tony Parker is just another person that has stolen from Duncan tbh

[Johnny RIngo]

It's amazing the sacrifices Duncan continues to make to offset the bloated contracts from the declining players on the team.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

No. Richie was correct. They'll have $2,771,564 or so under the cap to sign Manu. That will put them exactly at $70.0MM.

They will not have the full MLE, just the Room.

Edited: Did you gross up LMA's contract to the actual max based on the new cap? It will be at $19,689,000, a lot more than originally estimated.

They have 2.8mil now. They can use the room mid-level expection on Manu and keep that cap space, that is what Chinook was noting in his post. They can renounce Bonner and Williams and increase that figure.

Room exception allows a team to sign a player without using cap space if they are far enough under the cap that they lose all their existing exceptions, which is the case for the Spurs. Spurs currently aren't using the Bi-Annual exception (last used on Nando), so they can use the room exception.

Otherwise it would be pointless for Duncan to take 5mil as oppose to 6.5mil.

Spurs aren't using the MLE as well, as that last was used on Diaw. So good thing they didn't use it last year as now the Room Exception is available to them this year.

[jhfenton]

They have 2.8mil now. They can use the room mid-level expection on Manu and keep that cap space, that is what Chinook was noting in his post. They can renounce Bonner and Williams and increase that figure.

Room exception allows a team to sign a player without using cap space if they are far enough under the cap that they lose all their existing exceptions, which is the case for the Spurs. Spurs currently aren't using the Bi-Annual exception (last used on Nando), so they can use the room exception.

Otherwise it would be pointless for Duncan to take 5mil as oppose to 6.5mil.

I'm not sure your point. I was disagreeing as to your statement that the Spurs would have the MLE (or its equivalent in cap space, I wasn't sure which you meant). Neither is accurate.

After signing Aldridge and Duncan (and before signing the others), they will have $2.77MM in cap room left to sign Manu. Then they can sign their Bird players and exception players. If they do that, they would still have the Room exception.

[Johnny RIngo]

If the Spurs waive Williams and renounce Bonner (which they probably will as both can be brought back with the Vet min), they will have the full MLE. But factor in the Ray trade and so they will have around 4.3mil in cap to work. That should be more than enough to sign an impact player. They will have to use this before signing Green/Kawhi/West, etc.

As I have said repeatedly, I hope the Spurs try and get Shved. Be the perfect replacement for the Beli role on this team. If Butler wants to come here, he can for the Vet Min like West.

Shved? Nah. Rather they keep the extra room and wait for buyouts down the line.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Shved? Nah. Rather they keep the extra room and wait for buyouts down the line.

That's good and all, but think the Spurs need to keep Manu and Parker fresh for the playoffs. Waiting until March isn't going to just that. That is why the Spurs traded for Ray. Spurs need a wing now so Manu's minutes are reduced as well.

[BatManu20]

619217579631116288

[TDomination]

Just out of curiousity, I would have loved to have seen Duncan shop around as a free agent to see what kind of offers he would get from teams. Not to leave of course but to see what his real market value was.

[Robz4000]

619217579631116288

Weew!!!

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I'm not sure your point. I was disagreeing as to your statement that the Spurs would have the MLE (or its equivalent in cap space, I wasn't sure which you meant). Neither is accurate.

After signing Aldridge and Duncan (and before signing the others), they will have $2.77MM in cap room left to sign Manu. Then they can sign their Bird players and exception players. If they do that, they would still have the Room exception.

I know that. But, instead of signing Manu with cap space, they can use the Room, renounce Bonner and Williams, and have even more salary to sign a player. They can go ahead and just sign everyone and have the room and wait for Buyouts. But if you want to sign an immediate impact player, it would be best to use the Room on Manu, and renounce/waive Bonner/Williams, and have even more money spend on another FA.

If you read my first post on the subject. I basically said this ENSURES the Spurs have the Room Exception. But they also have the option to increase their cap space to sign another impact player before resigning Green/Kawhi, which IMO, is the best route.

[NASpurs]

619217579631116288

Timmy! :smokin

[lmbebo]

no MLE. We were under cap, so we don't qualify for it.

Shved rumored to be resigning with Knicks for like 2.8 millions versus going back to Russia.

[milkyway21]

Man, Duncan's worth $20 million and he signs for $5 million so the Spurs can go get another $20 million player too? And West is probably an $8 or $9 million player for $1.5 million. We have to be the most fucking spoiled fanbase in all of professional sports.


HARD TO EMULATE :toast:

him agreeing to such a discount (OMG, thanks #21), would like the FO to look for his back-up. To help him in the middle. Go FIND a decent one.
You owe him that FO.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

no MLE. We were under cap, so we don't qualify for it.

Shved rumored to be resigning with Knicks for like 2.8 millions versus going back to Russia.

Spurs can offer more. That is the whole point of Duncan signing for less. So the Spurs can now have more than the Room Exception to outbid teams for FAs right now.

[jhfenton]

I know that. But, instead of signing Manu with cap space, they can use the Room, renounce Bonner and Williams, and have even more salary to sign a player. They can go ahead and just sign everyone and have the room and wait for Buyouts. But if you want to sign an immediate impact player, it would be best to use the Room on Manu, and renounce/waive Bonner/Williams, and have even more money spend on another FA.

If you read my first post on the subject. I basically said this ENSURES the Spurs have the Room Exception. But they also have the option to increase their cap space to sign another impact player before resigning Green/Kawhi, which IMO, is the best route.

But they don't have more than the Room. They happen to have about the same as the Room. A hair less, in fact, from my numbers. And they can't carry it forward. Once they sign Danny or Kawhi, they won't have that.

[Marcus Bryant]

Man, Duncan's worth $20 million and he signs for $5 million so the Spurs can go get another $20 million player too? And West is probably an $8 or $9 million player for $1.5 million. We have to be the most fucking spoiled fanbase in all of professional sports.

Perhaps, but did you see what little Atlanta had to give up for Splitter?

Anyways, yes, surely between trusted people screwing Duncan over through the years he's managed to squirrel away a healthy amount. Also, iirc, the idea with this contract is that he ends up getting paid $10 mil for one season. So the second year is close to or fully guaranteed. Of course, is he really going to be able to walk away from the game?

[BillMc]

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[BatManu20]

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[jhfenton]

$5MM+. So we don't know what the exact numbers are yet. But they're close enough to possibly allow Manu and Duncan under the cap.

[Richie]

I know that. But, instead of signing Manu with cap space, they can use the Room, renounce Bonner and Williams, and have even more salary to sign a player. They can go ahead and just sign everyone and have the room and wait for Buyouts. But if you want to sign an immediate impact player, it would be best to use the Room on Manu, and renounce/waive Bonner/Williams, and have even more money spend on another FA.

If you read my first post on the subject. I basically said this ENSURES the Spurs have the Room Exception. But they also have the option to increase their cap space to sign another impact player before resigning Green/Kawhi, which IMO, is the best route.

I think you might be a bit confused, or you're way ahead of me in some way. If we used the Room Exception to sign someone we would lose the cap space because it would put us at the cap. We can't keep cap space while using the Room and Minimum Exceptions to sign players as our salary will go over the cap.

We can, however, give Manu the rest of our cap space (equivalent to Room Exception) and keep the Room Exception for later in the season or another free agent this summer.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

But they don't have more than the Room. They happen to have about the same as the Room. A hair less, in fact, from my numbers. And they can't carry it forward. Once they sign Danny or Kawhi, they won't have that.

That is why, renounce/waive Bonner/Williams (give the Spurs an addition 2.5mil in cap space) and sign a player now OR just use that existing cap on Manu and keep the Room. Its either or. Spurs would just have more monies to sign a FA IF they do so before resigning Kawhi/Green/etc.

[jhfenton]

I think you might be a bit confused, or you're way ahead of me in some way. If we used the Room Exception to sign someone we would lose the cap space because it would put us at the cap. We can't keep cap space while using the Room and Minimum Exceptions to sign players as our salary will go over the cap.

We can, however, give Manu the rest of our cap space (equivalent to Room Exception) and keep the Room Exception for later in the season or another free agent this summer.

You and I are on the same page. I don't understand Cowboys_Wear_Spurs's thinking either.

[jhfenton]

That is why, renounce/waive Bonner/Williams (give the Spurs an addition 2.5mil in cap space) and sign a player now OR just use that existing cap on Manu and keep the Room. Its either or. Spurs would just have more monies to sign a FA IF they do so before resigning Kawhi/Green/etc.

I'm taking those renunciations as a given, along with a dozen others (former players like Horry and Van Exel). That would leave roughly $2.7MM to sign Manu or another player. Might as well be Manu. That would leave the $2.8MM Room exception for a vet down the road. That has to be the order.

[Richie]

That is why, renounce/waive Bonner/Williams (give the Spurs an addition 2.5mil in cap space) and sign a player now OR just use that existing cap on Manu and keep the Room. Its either or. Spurs would just have more monies to sign a FA IF they do so before resigning Kawhi/Green/etc.

The benefit of just giving Manu the cap space is to get everyone else their guaranteed contracts asap and we can deal with more players later.

[BatManu20]

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[-21-]

This is why Timmy is the GOAT. This amazing offseason wouldn't be possible without his sacrifice.

Also, Aldridge reported a 2 year deal but Woj is saying it's just for 1 year...

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/9/8922483/tim-duncan-contract-discount-spurs-nba-free-agency

2 year 10.4 mil deal.

[BatManu20]

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[freemeat]

The 2-year deal isn't because Timmy's playing for two more years. It's a contract fudge to help both parties -- Holt saves money and backs up Timmy with one more shot at a ring for doing so.

Essentially, signing a 2-year deal is just to pay Duncan what he should get in his final year, 2015-2016. The second season of the deal will be partially guaranteed or fully guaranteed. This is likely going to be Duncan's last go, and I'm sure we'll hear about that pre-season or early season. When he retires next summer, the Spurs will still owe and pay him at least half of his 2016-2017 salary (knowing their relationship, Holt has probably agreed to give him the full second-season salary). So, Timmy's taking a very slight pay cut. He and the front office have just, masterfully, made his final season a full-salary. They just pay it over the course of two years, instead of one. It helps Holt save on luxury payments a gives Timmy a decent check (nearer what he's worth). If the Spurs ring, maybe he considers playing the second year. They've set the team for the future, though, so this is probably really it. Manu and Tim are going out together, but they get one last shot while mentoring the next generation for a year.

[SpursFan86]

So is the 2nd year a player option like initially reported, or no?

[lmbebo]

Could they also stretch his last year if they wanted to make the cap hit less? Even though by all assumptions, cap should rise even more next year negating the cap hit from paying 2 players who aren't on the roster (presumably).

[timvp]

Amazing.

Not much else that can be said.

[Bruno]

The craziest to me is that Tim could have received $7M with Spurs still doing the same moves. Waiving Reggie Williams to open some cap space hasn't even been necessary.

Duncan isn't even looking at maximizing his salary while keeping Spurs really competitive. He just signed a contract that pay him a third or a fourth of his market value like that. Just plain crazy.


Meanwhile, 48...

[spurs10]

Hail Tim Duncan! What a champion.

[spursistan]

Timmy is easily $13-14M in this market :lol Enjoy him while he lasts; the franchise and NBA will never be the same without him..I really really wants him to get 6 now..

[Chinook]

The craziest to me is that Tim could have received $7M with Spurs still doing the same moves. Waiving Reggie Williams to open some cap space hasn't even been necessary.

Duncan isn't even looking at maximizing his salary while keeping Spurs really competitive. He just signed a contract that pay him a third or a fourth of his market value like that. Just plain crazy.


Meanwhile, 48...

So Williams is still on roster? How much does he count against the tax? That's an issue that team has to consider. But between his contract and the room exception, I guess the Spurs still have the space to make some moves if they are willing to go into the tax.

[Chinook]

Which they probably are, considering Tim's paycut and the unlikelihood of them being in the tax in 2016-2017.

[siraulo23]

Go out with a bang :tu

[silk]

This is going to be such a special year for this amazing team...

Really, since I'm not a san antonian, it will be difficult for me after timmy and manu goes,
Timmy-Manu-Pop are the spurs for me..

[Plum Island]

Duncan better be well compensated after he retires......
Put that man in the FO and build him a statue. Just not in scouting. I've heard too many horror stories about his scouting abilities.

[silk]

What stories ?

[slick'81]

Guy never ceases to amaze

[Bruno]

So Williams is still on roster? How much does he count against the tax? That's an issue that team has to consider. But between his contract and the room exception, I guess the Spurs still have the space to make some moves if they are willing to go into the tax.

I haven't a news about Williams being waived so I guess he is still on the roster. He counts for $1,185,784 against the cap and the tax.

[ilovethespurs]

:bobo God bless Timmy D.!

[spursgu]

Yes!!!!!! 2 more yrs for Timmy.

[soxxx]

Depending on how the season plays out I could see Duncan playing two more years. If he hits 6 rings, and has a shot to finally repeat and get a 7th title, I believe he would go for it. If we dont manage to win the title this year he might call it a day.

[milkyway21]

Yesterday, during the Mavericks-DA Jordan chaos, two of the remaining 2014 champ Spurs( Diaw & Mills), were rumored to be traded somewhere else, so the Spurs can pay Duncan enough money, around $7M to re-sign him, thank God of the increased salary cap & Duncan agreeing to a lesser payout (again), they're still here. Losing our beloved Mills & Diaw would really freak me & ST out..
Sacrifice..

Whether this rumor was legit or not, check
this site out..
http://2paragraphs.com/2015/07/spurs-to-trade-boris-diaw-patty-mills

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Duncan needs to be well taken care of with a huge salary in his next role with the Spurs after he steps off the court.

[Marcus Bryant]

Meanwhile, 48...

Exactly.

[elemento]

KG just got a 16m contract to be a teacher . Stupid ass franchise keeps paying the guy that gave them 0 rings

Dude gives no discount even when he is completely done :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs now have a shot at 29 out of 30 straight seasons of NBA playoff basketball. In San Antonio.

Spurs fan is fucking spoiled.

[Marcus Bryant]

How many NBA franchises have had 29 or more playoff appearances in their existence?

The next time one of you knuckleheads wants to go off on how terrible it is to be a Spurs fan, get some perspective.

[Darkwaters]

How many NBA franchises have had 29 or more playoff appearances in their existence?

The next time one of you knuckleheads wants to go off on how terrible it is to be a Spurs fan, get some perspective.

http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i59/2/11/25/frabz-truth-bomb-dropped-43279c.jpg

[Axegrinder]

TD=1 of a kind..that is all

[Slydragon]

http://s2.postimg.org/5lx8486kp/1435963491_picsay.jpg

[ismael-robert]

While Tim didnt get the min I was dang close saying he would and people scoffed. Told yall he was team first n money was no issue

[Manu-of-steel]

Timmy the GOAT!

[HarlemHeat37]

Are Baynes and Joseph making more than Duncan for the upcoming season? If so, :lmao..

[phxspurfan]

How much did Parker renegotiate for? Oh wait

[Seventyniner]

Are Baynes and Joseph making more than Duncan for the upcoming season? If so, :lmao..

Hell, Belinelli is going to make more than Duncan. So is Splitter, so is Parker, Danny, Kawhi, Diaw, etc.

[apalisoc_9]

How much did Parker renegotiate for? Oh wait

[Seventyniner]

How much did Parker renegotiate for? Oh wait the CBA doesn't allow existing contracts to be renegotiated downward

Fixed.

[Spur|n|Austin]

How much did Parker renegotiate for? Oh wait

How does he sleep at night?

[baseline bum]

The 2-year deal isn't because Timmy's playing for two more years. It's a contract fudge to help both parties -- Holt saves money and backs up Timmy with one more shot at a ring for doing so.

Essentially, signing a 2-year deal is just to pay Duncan what he should get in his final year, 2015-2016. The second season of the deal will be partially guaranteed or fully guaranteed. This is likely going to be Duncan's last go, and I'm sure we'll hear about that pre-season or early season. When he retires next summer, the Spurs will still owe and pay him at least half of his 2016-2017 salary (knowing their relationship, Holt has probably agreed to give him the full second-season salary). So, Timmy's taking a very slight pay cut. He and the front office have just, masterfully, made his final season a full-salary. They just pay it over the course of two years, instead of one. It helps Holt save on luxury payments a gives Timmy a decent check (nearer what he's worth). If the Spurs ring, maybe he considers playing the second year. They've set the team for the future, though, so this is probably really it. Manu and Tim are going out together, but they get one last shot while mentoring the next generation for a year.

I'm going to take Tim at his word that he plays until the wheels fall off, and they looked pretty far from it this year. So I don't think it's unrealistic that he plays two more years. I'm also not sure Aldridge comes if Tim tells him this is his last season.

[Aztecfan03]

Fixed.
truth doesn't matter to them

[Holden_Caulfield]

:worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy:

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

How many NBA franchises have had 29 or more playoff appearances in their existence?

The next time one of you knuckleheads wants to go off on how terrible it is to be a Spurs fan, get some perspective.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

I'm going to take Tim at his word that he plays until the wheels fall off, and they looked pretty far from it this year. So I don't think it's unrealistic that he plays two more years. I'm also not sure Aldridge comes if Tim tells him this is his last season.

Agreed, Tim does not look like he is ready to hang it up after this upcoming season...

[HarlemHeat37]

^^ Can't underestimate what adding Aldridge could do for Duncan's future, too(even David West for another year or so, as well)..allowing him to play 20 MPG during the regular season could be huge for his playoff performance/durability/extended longevity..

[therealtruth]

:toast

Don't screw this one up Pockface.

That's my one concern. Last few times we got major acquisitions he hasn't been able to seal the deal in the first year. He always needs that extra year.

[RayTdropout]

GOAT

[CGD]

So Williams is still on roster? How much does he count against the tax? That's an issue that team has to consider. But between his contract and the room exception, I guess the Spurs still have the space to make some moves if they are willing to go into the tax.

This is a sneaky little asset. I'm keeping an eye on the Kanter situation to see if Perry Jones could be pried free to fill the back up SF. The Williams contract seems like it could help OKC not take back money. Plus with the space Timmy left behind seems like there would be enough to absorb the difference in salaries.

[TXstbobcat]

Thank you Timmy!

[kobyz]

How many NBA franchises have had 29 or more playoff appearances in their existence?

The next time one of you knuckleheads wants to go off on how terrible it is to be a Spurs fan, get some perspective.

The reality is stronger than all analyst, and the reality is that being a spurs fan is the most hurtfull and painfull, smart man once said "pain of a loss is bigger than joy of a win" and spurs have had the hardest loses of all time in sport... Also what Lebron said after last finals, he don't know if it worth getting there and to lose in the end, too much pain...

[ajh18]

The reality is stronger than all analyst, and the reality is that being a spurs fan is the most hurtfull and painfull, smart man once said "pain of a loss is bigger than joy of a win" and spurs have had the hardest loses of all time in sport... Also what Lebron said after last finals, he don't know if it worth getting there and to lose in the end, too much pain...

Being a Spurs fan is amazing.

The only reason the painful stuff happens more often than with other teams is because we're in a place for it to happen more often!

Wonder why the Timberwolves fans haven't had to deal with 0.4 or 6? Because they've barely been in the playoffs, much less the finals.

More opportunity = More loss AND More success. And I'll take those experiences any time.

(On the other hand, teams like Portland who never make the conference finals, seem to lose every player - Oden, Roy, Matthews, LMA - to injury or free agency without any real wins to counterbalance the losses? Now THAT would suck.

Spurs fans are so lucky. Stop being so freaking sad about being a fan of the greatest franchise in any professional sport.

[NASpurs]

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