Kings quietly having a terrific offseason

[TheSanityAnnex]

Landed these five for the price of what they offered Wes Mathews

Rajon Rondo
Kosta Koufos
Marco Belinelli
Caron Butler
Omri Casspi

Still have just under 5 mil to spend and if they are able to land Josh Smith I can see this team grabbing the 8th seed.

Not a bad first offseason for the Vladefather.

[Donkeybong]

Landed these five for the price of what they offered Wes Mathews

Rajon Rondo
Kosta Koufos
Marco Belinelli
Caron Butler
Omri Casspi

Still have just under 5 mil to spend and if they are able to land Josh Smith I can see this team grabbing the 8th seed.

Not a bad first offseason for the Vladefather.

other than the yamaka, not bad pickups

[DPG21920]

They had an awful off season IMVHO.

[Mitch]

Should have kicked them to Seattle

[Walter Donovan]

And their coach is about to get fired

[Walter Donovan]

Should have kicked them to Seattle

YES

[ElNono]

terrific and Rondo never go in the same sentence, tbh

[Chris]

I agree they had a pretty good offseason considering what was available for them. I got laughed at for calling them a dark horse for a lower seed, but we will find out soon enough.

[baseline bum]

:lol Karl shitting all over Boogie
:lol Ranadive thinking cherry picking is a legit NBA defense
:lol Stauskas
:lol FAs treating Vlade like he has AIDS

[Mark Celibate]

And they managed to keep DMC.

[TheSanityAnnex]

They had an awful off season IMVHO.
How so?

[Robz4000]

How so?

The two most obvious are signing Rondo and the giant rift between Karl and Cousins tbh. There's also the fact that out of the five players you listed the only potential positive impact player is Beli and that's only with strong defenders around him, which Sacramento is clearly lacking. If you guys get Josh Smith I'd be surprised if the team made it to New Years before a fight breaks out in the locker room and/or Malice in the Palace Pt. II happens.

[DPG21920]

The trade Vlade made giving up all those picks was incredibly stupid. Then on top of that, he signed guys that while they improve the team some, aren't long-term type players (Rondo) with very little upside in a competitive West. So now you hurt your lottery chances while not being that good & sacrficied a big part of your future with that trade.

[spurraider21]

the Karl-Cousins thing just paints Sacto as a completely dysfunctional mess... just like the raiders during the Al Davis era

[Earl]

Just ship the team to Seattle.

[random21]

The Kings will still suck.... Prob the 11th best team in the West...

[TheSanityAnnex]

The trade Vlade made giving up all those picks was incredibly stupid. Then on top of that, he signed guys that while they improve the team some, aren't long-term type players (Rondo) with very little upside in a competitive West. So now you hurt your lottery chances while not being that good & sacrficied a big part of your future with that trade.
I don't think you've read the details if you think it is "all those picks". By the time those picks come around the Kings will have turned it around (what Vlade is banking on) and they'll be late first rounders. Vlade had to build a winner now to keep Cousins, a first round pick in 2018 means very little now in the grand scheme of things. The Kings have been in the lottery for almost a decade, they needed vets and they got them.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The two most obvious are signing Rondo and the giant rift between Karl and Cousins tbh. There's also the fact that out of the five players you listed the only potential positive impact player is Beli and that's only with strong defenders around him, which Sacramento is clearly lacking. If you guys get Josh Smith I'd be surprised if the team made it to New Years before a fight breaks out in the locker room and/or Malice in the Palace Pt. II happens.
Before Cousins went down last year with viral meningitis the Kings were a top 5 defensive team. Surprising but true. The Kings sucked last year because they had the worst bench in the league. The 5 guys I listed are upgrades at every single position. The bench is now Collison, Belinelli, Casspi, Koufus/Cauley-Stein. That's a solid second unit.

[TheSanityAnnex]

the Karl-Cousins thing just paints Sacto as a completely dysfunctional mess... just like the raiders during the Al Davis era
I'd be happy to see Karl get the boot. He's caused drama at every team he's been with. But if he and cousins can put their petty shit aside I'd like to see what they can do. Rondo will be much better in Karl's system than he was in Carlise's.

[Robz4000]

Before Cousins went down last year with viral meningitis the Kings were a top 5 defensive team. Surprising but true. The Kings sucked last year because they had the worst bench in the league. The 5 guys I listed are upgrades at every single position. The bench is now Collison, Belinelli, Casspi, Koufus/Cauley-Stein. That's a solid second unit.

Your coach at the time was also a defensive-minded coach that instilled the defensive properties he had previously instilled in the current NBA champions. The Kings' roster has some talent (mostly due to Cousins), but most of it will be on the offensive end. As for the bench, Collison and Beli will be a horrible fit; as much as I hate Rondo, in this situation the Kings would be much better off with him on that bench unit.

[HarlemHeat37]

Could be an 8th seed on paper, but obviously a potential disaster with Karl/Cousins/Rondo in the same locker room:lol..

I like the role players they added(assuming Caron Butler doesn't play, he's terrible), but I don't see Gay and Rondo fitting well together, at all..Gay can't shoot and needs the ball to be effective, while Rondo is completely useless without the ball(and even when he has it, isn't that good anymore)..

I'm a little biased, though, I absolutely detest everything about Rondo..he's so bad..

[Shane27]

I agree they had a pretty good offseason considering what was available for them. I got laughed at for calling them a dark horse for a lower seed, but we will find out soon enough.

People forget that they were playing decently well before Boogie got hurt. If the team doesn't implode on itself I could see them competing with the pelicans, suns, mavs, and Jazz for the 8 seed.

[HarlemHeat37]

^^ maybe, but a lot of teams start off well and fizzle out in the NBA, happens every single season, tbh..

When you add Rondo to your team, you're limiting your offensive ceiling, regardless of teammates, too..

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

^^ maybe, but a lot of teams start off well and fizzle out in the NBA, happens every single season, tbh..

When you add Rondo to your team, you're limiting your offensive ceiling, regardless of teammates, too..

Rondo doesn't deserve the full blame for his Dallas stint, tbh.. Ellis was just as big, if not a bigger cancer. He didn't really give Rondo a chance to play his game.

[KaiRMD1]

And they kept Cousins instead of sending him to LA.

[baseline bum]

^^ maybe, but a lot of teams start off well and fizzle out in the NBA, happens every single season, tbh..

When you add Rondo to your team, you're limiting your offensive ceiling, regardless of teammates, too..

:lol Michael Carter-Williams got a ROY from a hot stretch to begin the year.

[JamStone]

Take away Rondo as one of the off season moves, and I'd agree.

Adding him into the equation, overall negative off season.

[TheSanityAnnex]

^^ maybe, but a lot of teams start off well and fizzle out in the NBA, happens every single season, tbh..

When you add Rondo to your team, you're limiting your offensive ceiling, regardless of teammates, too..
They didn't just start well, they started well against an absolutely brutal schedule.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Take away Rondo as one of the off season moves, and I'd agree.

Adding him into the equation, overall negative off season.

I'm looking past Rondo from last year as Carlise is not a PG's coach. Karl will let Rondo be Rondo ala good Celtics Rondo. Cousins also wanted Rondo so whatever keeps the big guy happy.

[HarlemHeat37]

Karl and Rondo have different philosophies on basketball, though..we'll see what type of compromise they make, and I'll be very interested to see how he fits with Gay, can't imagine their styles of play meshing well..we'll see, I suppose, I think the Kings would be better with Collison starting(although he probably isn't a legit starter) IMO..

[spursistan]

Karl is sure an overrated coach but he is by no mean out of his depth..If they got Lawson instead of Rondo and If he clears the air with Cousins, i think they would make a legit push for 8th seed which is going to be dogfight with UTAH/PHX/Dallas..We'll see but chances is that he's gone from there after bad start..

[Kim Jong-il]

Karl will let Rondo be Rondo ala good Celtics Rondo.
Yeah but will Rondo let Rondo be Rondo?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yeah but will Rondo let Rondo be Rondo?
If he doesn't the Kings are only the hook for 1 year. This is Rondo's last chance at a decent contract, he's got to play well if he wants to get paid.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Karl and Rondo have different philosophies on basketball, though..we'll see what type of compromise they make, and I'll be very interested to see how he fits with Gay, can't imagine their styles of play meshing well..we'll see, I suppose, I think the Kings would be better with Collison starting(although he probably isn't a legit starter) IMO..
It'll definitely be an interesting season for the Kings regardless of how successful they are.

[ducks]

They are Matthews turned them down to play in dallas
But overall with all bad press very good

[Mr Bones]

Only if you believe character and maturity don't matter one bit could you say the Kings have had a good year... complete opposite philosophy of the Spurs...

[Dro210]

They have put together a decent little 2nd unit, and Boogie is an absolute beast... but Rondo and Gay in the same starting lineup? Nah. Way too much cancer, Kings ain't goin anywhere.

Who's the starting PF if they don't land Smiff? WCS? Who would be his backup?

If it wouldn't put him in the position of losing too many shots to the blackhole known as Rudy Joto, I'd start Beli at the 2 over McLemore... but with him around it'd be a bit of a waste, probably better to just have Beli's scoring off the bench.

Rondo
McLemore
Gay
Smiff
Boogie

That squad has NO gel.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Only if you believe character and maturity don't matter one bit could you say the Kings have had a good year... complete opposite philosophy of the Spurs...
Once hired Vlade reached out to Popovich and was taken under his wing. I see good things coming from their meetings.

[TheSanityAnnex]

They have put together a decent little 2nd unit, and Boogie is an absolute beast... but Rondo and Gay in the same starting lineup? Nah. Way too much cancer, Kings ain't goin anywhere.

Who's the starting PF if they don't land Smiff? WCS? Who would be his backup?

If it wouldn't put him in the position of losing too many shots to the blackhole known as Rudy Joto, I'd start Beli at the 2 over McLemore... but with him around it'd be a bit of a waste, probably better to just have Beli's scoring off the bench.

Rondo
McLemore
Gay
Smiff
Boogie

That squad has NO gel.
You realize Rondo and Gay are very good friends and Gay helped convince Rondo to come to the Kings? Agreed with Belinelli off the bench, last years had zero scoring. Collision and Belinelli will provide plenty.

[Mnky]

Good off season. Free agent pickings were pretty slim this year. Top tier were all pretty Much sold where they wanted to go. Step in the right direction for sure

[21209]

The Kings FO shit the bed when they fired Mike Malone.

Cousins enjoyed playing for him, the Kings got off to a nice start and then dumped him despite the fact that injuries are what sent them into the nosedive and not anything he did.

Then, they go out and hire Karl, who they were not completely sold on even before taking the risk.

They won't get any better if they don't hire people that are committed to putting a winning product on the floor.

[callo1]

If they can bring it all together, they could possibly squeak in as an 8th seed, but the real key is chemistry. Will Cousins be able to accept his role in the offence. I have no doubts that GK can turn that team around if given the chance.

[hater]

How much they paying Ronda?

Anything over 2 mil a year and its a fucking disaster :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

How much they paying Ronda?

Anything over 2 mil a year and its a fucking disaster :lol

:lol..

[DeadlyDynasty]

Only if you believe character and maturity don't matter one bit could you say the Kings have had a good year... complete opposite philosophy of the Spurs...
It's like a time machine back to 2010 spurstalk, when every gnsf had banal takes like this^

[benefactor]

It's like a time machine back to 2010 spurstalk, when every gnsf had banal takes like this^
He's a terrible poster. He was upstairs crying about the forum needing m:cryre m:cryderation.

[Chinook]

I don't think you've read the details if you think it is "all those picks". By the time those picks come around the Kings will have turned it around (what Vlade is banking on) and they'll be late first rounders. Vlade had to build a winner now to keep Cousins, a first round pick in 2018 means very little now in the grand scheme of things. The Kings have been in the lottery for almost a decade, they needed vets and they got them.

That's what every team that trades picks thinks. Sometimes it works; other times it's like the Lakers giving up a potential top-5 pick (plus three other picks) for Nash. I don't disagree that it was time for SAC to stop playing the lottery. I just think they overpaid for what they were getting rid of. Thompson and Stauskas had at least neutral value. Landry shouldn't have been THAT hard to dump, or the team could have stretched him and still had room to make their signings. Giving up picks when you don't have to is silly, or matter what team-building philosophy you follow.

I don't care for the Kings' off-season. Loading up on vets that don't fit together isn't going to instantly improve the team. They should have focused on making smart, low-key acquisitions like they did with Gay. Maybe the Pelicans would have entertained Gordon for Stauskas and Landry. They they would have been able to dump Thompson for a potential asset and sign Rondo for cheap.

[TheSanityAnnex]

That's what every team that trades picks thinks. Sometimes it works; other times it's like the Lakers giving up a potential top-5 pick (plus three other picks) for Nash. I don't disagree that it was time for SAC to stop playing the lottery. I just think they overpaid for what they were getting rid of. Thompson and Stauskas had at least neutral value. Landry shouldn't have been THAT hard to dump, or the team could have stretched him and still had room to make their signings. Giving up picks when you don't have to is silly, or matter what team-building philosophy you follow.

I don't care for the Kings' off-season. Loading up on vets that don't fit together isn't going to instantly improve the team. They should have focused on making smart, low-key acquisitions like they did with Gay. Maybe the Pelicans would have entertained Gordon for Stauskas and Landry. They they would have been able to dump Thompson for a potential asset and sign Rondo for cheap.
rondo/bellinelli/koufos/butler/Cauley-stein isn't an instant improvement over Stauskas/Thompson/Landry???

[Clipper Nation]

Only if you believe character and maturity don't matter one bit could you say the Kings have had a good year... complete opposite philosophy of the Spurs...
:lol Hard to believe GNSF still tries to push the "class" line unironically after Alvin Robertson, Enrique and Gary Neal :lol

[Chinook]

rondo/bellinelli/koufos/butler/Cauley-stein isn't an instant improvement over Stauskas/Thompson/Landry???

WCS isn't a vet. Would have had him anyway. Same goes for Koufos and Butler, even though Bulter sucks. The Kings gave up Stauskas and at least one pick to shave $15.8 Million off their cap only give give Beli and Rondo contracts with a combined cap hit of about $16 Million. So do I think a trade of Stauskas, Landry, Thompson, a first and two swaps for Rondo and Beli is an improvement? Not much at all.

[TheSanityAnnex]

WCS isn't a vet. Would have had him anyway. Same goes for Koufos and Butler, even though Bulter sucks. The Kings gave up Stauskas and at least one pick to shave $15.8 Million off their cap only give give Beli and Rondo contracts with a combined cap hit of about $16 Million. So do I think a trade of Stauskas, Landry, Thompson, a first and two swaps for Rondo and Beli is an improvement? Not much at all.

Instant contributions from everyone picked up this year, I don't think you understand how bad the bench was last year, and how worthless Thompson was a starting PF. I'm really not concerned with the future picks, it was go all in and try and win now or lose Cousins. I'm fully on board with win now. I really think the Kings will surprise a lot of people. Sign Gay and Rondo's buddy Smith and keep him in his role like the Rockets did and the 8th seed is well within reach. Barring a Karl/Cousins meltdown where I'd expect Karl fired immediately. Vlade has publicly put the rift between them out there, Karl is on thin ice. I wish they'd fire him now and get Thibs, this team has shown they can play defense under the right coach.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Embiid is out the whole year. Sucks for him but makes the pick swaps even more less likely.

[DAF86]

Landed these five for the price of what they offered Wes Mathews

Rajon Rondo
Kosta Koufos
Marco Belinelli
Caron Butler
Omri Casspi

Still have just under 5 mil to spend and if they are able to land Josh Smith I can see this team grabbing the 8th seed.

Not a bad first offseason for the Vladefather.

Not to be a dick, but I think you will be just as bad as last season, tbh.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not to be a dick, but I think you will be just as bad as last season, tbh.

With no major injuries to starters that would be impossible. There is just too much talent to be just as bad, regardless of wether that talent meshes or not.

[DAF86]

With no major injuries to starters that would be impossible. There is just too much talent to be just as bad, regardless of wether that talent meshes or not.

You have names like Rondo and Gay but their skillsets don't relate to winning basketball anymore. I would be very surprised to see this Kings team as a borderline playoffs team but I guess we will have to wait and see.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You have names like Rondo and Gay but their skillsets don't relate to winning basketball anymore. I would be very surprised to see this Kings team as a borderline playoffs team but I guess we will have to wait and see.
Gay had one of the best years of his career playing as Cousins' #2. Rondo won't be needed for scoring similar to when he was with the Celtics. He's still an extremely smart PG.

wait and see is right though, I haven't been this excited about this team in a long while. I've wanted Cauley-Stein next to Cousims for the last two years.

[m>s]

With no major injuries to starters that would be impossible. There is just too much talent to be just as bad, regardless of wether that talent meshes or not.
Who's starting at SG and C now? Rondo/??/gay/??/cousins

[spurraider21]

McLemore at the 2

[HarlemHeat37]

Gay was pretty nice last year, rejuvenated and finally remembered how to shoot, he's a net positive nowadays IMO..Rondo is the much larger concern..

[TheSanityAnnex]

Who's starting at SG and C now? Rondo/??/gay/??/cousins
SG-McLemore
PF-Cauly-Stein or Cousins
C- Cousins or Koufus

lot of versatility with this roster, especially with Gay being able to slide to PF at times like last year.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Gay was pretty nice last year, rejuvenated and finally remembered how to shoot, he's a net positive nowadays IMO..Rondo is the much larger concern..
Hoping for the same rebirth Gay had.

[m>s]

SG-McLemore
PF-Cauly-Stein or Cousins
C- Cousins or Koufus

lot of versatility with this roster, especially with Gay being able to slide to PF at times like last year.
sounds like you guys could be on the way back to relevancy for the first time in what 11-13 years? ya'll can have our playoff spot if you want

[Clipper Nation]

:lol "Terrific offseason"

620041964495372288

[DMC]

How so?
That group probably won't make the playoffs.

It's loaded with guys who historically cannot wait to end the season.

[HemisfairArena]

How bad are the Lakers that they are the 4th worst team in California? LMAO,,,,

[quentin_compson]

More "terrifying" than "terrific" ...

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol "Terrific offseason"

620041964495372288
As the 10th or 11th guy off the bench for the vet min I don't see what's so funny.

[TheSanityAnnex]

That group probably won't make the playoffs.

It's loaded with guys who historically cannot wait to end the season.

Probably is a massive improvement over last year. Rondo alone has more playoff experience than last years entire roster combined.

[DMC]

Probably is a massive improvement over last year. Rondo alone has more playoff experience than last years entire roster combined.
He does and him and boogie could be salty enough a pair to make some noise, but they have too many reasons to fail, and often people getting paid well either way will need fewer.

[TheSanityAnnex]

He does and him and boogie could be salty enough a pair to make some noise, but they have too many reasons to fail, and often people getting paid well either way will need fewer.Winning cures all. It'll get ugly if Vlade's gamble doesn't pan out.

[nickdakoolkat]

I dont know man, I think the Kings could go either way. You add Rajon rondo to that already cancerous mix of George Karl and Cousins and this whole thing could explode. Coming from somebody who is not akings fan but lived in Sacramento for 4 years I want to see the kings be good, but I think the kings are in bad shape right now. Signing a bunch of random mediocre talents doesn't mean this team is going to mesh well chemistry wise. If it were me I would get rid of cousins while he still has value because right now as talented as he is that guy is a cancer.

[Spurtacular]

Landed these five for the price of what they offered Wes Mathews

Rajon Rondo
Kosta Koufos
Marco Belinelli
Caron Butler
Omri Casspi

Still have just under 5 mil to spend and if they are able to land Josh Smith I can see this team grabbing the 8th seed.

Not a bad first offseason for the Vladefather.

If they were in the east, they'd be contenders with pick-ups like that. :wakeup

[TheSanityAnnex]

Looks like Luc Mbah will be signed as well. Was pissed when the Kings traded him a few years ago, happy to have him back. After the Spurs fantastic offseason I've got the Kings at #2. Went from the worst bench in the league to 2 deep at every position. Still wish Malone was here :depressed

[nigerian]

Winning cures all. It'll get ugly if Vlade's gamble doesn't pan out.

:lol rondo is statpadding, team-killing faggot, nobody sane touched him with a ten ft pole
:lol cousins is a dumbass manchild, kevin fucking love won more with alot less talent in the same conference
:lol gay is a retarded chucker, negative player wherever he played.
:lol karl already don't give a fuck, just waiting for foodstamps tbh.
:lol zionist locker room presence
:lol ranadive making jimbo look like auerbach, prime pjax and dr buss all-in-one
:lol vlade flopping 1st round picks all over the place, fucking the team for a decade.
:lol bench full of monkeyballers like wcs
:lol this team will make the old wizards lockerroom look like a nuns congregation
:lol bad contracts and no picks
:lol no sane free agent even linked with your organisation.
:lol fucking andrea bargniani took less to get away from the kings

This ranadive faggot thinks he is running a circus tbh. Y'all niggas must be delusional to even think this team gets more than 35 wins.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol rondo is statpadding, team-killing faggot, nobody sane touched him with a ten ft pole
:lol cousins is a dumbass manchild, kevin fucking love won more with alot less talent in the same conference
:lol gay is a retarded chucker, negative player wherever he played.
:lol karl already don't give a fuck, just waiting for foodstamps tbh.
:lol zionist locker room presence
:lol ranadive making jimbo look like auerbach, prime pjax and dr buss all-in-one
:lol vlade flopping 1st round picks all over the place, fucking the team for a decade.
:lol bench full of monkeyballers like wcs
:lol this team will make the old wizards lockerroom look like a nuns congregation
:lol bad contracts and no picks
:lol no sane free agent even linked with your organisation.
:lol fucking andrea bargniani took less to get away from the kings

This ranadive faggot thinks he is running a circus tbh. Y'all niggas must be delusional to even think this team gets more than 35 wins.

Excellent analysis. Very creative emoticon use.

[Mitch]

Excellent analysis. Very creative emoticon use.

Beats saying the Kings have or ever will have an excellent offseason.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Beats saying the Kings have or ever will have an excellent offseason.


Not a bad first year eh Mitch?
http://i.imgur.com/2sT2MqB.jpg

[nigerian]

Excellent analysis. Very creative emoticon use.

still more thoughtful than the kings building process :lmao:lmao

[Mitch]

TheSanityAnnex

What hope is there for a franchise that hasn't moved forward since 2003? Jerry has a better chance of reanimated than the Kings have of being successful.

[Raven]

i feel bad for Carl, i've hear Vivek speak, and it's obvious he's a terrible person who drinks his own koolaid and feels he needs to lie to people just so it looks better, even though everyone can see, he's full of shit.. I mean, are they going to blame Carl for such a terrible roster, after they explicitly told him they do not want him involved in roster decisions?

[Kool Bob Love]

http://cdn.niketalk.com/f/f0/f00316ae_ScreenShot2015-07-13at7.55.22PM.png

[TheSanityAnnex]

TheSanityAnnex (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=4389)

What hope is there for a franchise that hasn't moved forward since 2003? Jerry has a better chance of reanimated than the Kings have of being successful.
Vlade Divac is the hope. Luc Mbah a Moute coming back is yet another great move. It's amusing watching people bash the trade when they are really clueless to the details. Divac traded what looks to be a first round bust (stauskas), two deadweight contracts(Thompson/Landry), two picks that will never be swapped, and a future 1st round pick (2018?) that will be in the 20s. He turned this into Rondo, Koufos, bellinelli, Casspi, and Mbah a Moute. Cauley-Stein has looked good in Summer league. 13pts/8rebs/5blks in 18 minutes tonight. Perfect guy next to Cousins. Still has about 4-5 mil depending on which order he signs these guys. Convince Josh Smith to come over and know his role like he did on the Rockets and that's playoff talent on paper. X-factor of course is Cousins and Karl. Awkward exchange today at the summer league game.

[Mitch]

Vlade Divac is the hope. Luc Mbah a Moute coming back is yet another great move. It's amusing watching people bash the trade when they are really clueless to the details. Divac traded what looks to be a first round bust (stauskas), two deadweight contracts(Thompson/Landry), two picks that will never be swapped, and a future 1st round pick (2018?) that will be in the 20s. He turned this into Rondo, Koufos, bellinelli, Casspi, and Mbah a Moute. Cauley-Stein has looked good in Summer league. 13pts/8rebs/5blks in 18 minutes tonight. Perfect guy next to Cousins. Still has about 4-5 mil depending on which order he signs these guys. Convince Josh Smith to come over and know his role like he did on the Rockets and that's playoff talent on paper. X-factor of course is Cousins and Karl. Awkward exchange today at the summer league game.

TLDR: Sac Kings soon to be Vegas/Seattle Kings in a short decade or so.

[Thread]

Funny how nobody had any use for Rondo, save me. Now? Fart catchers galore.

[TheSanityAnnex]

TLDR: Sac Kings soon to be Vegas/Seattle Kings in a short decade or so.
Ballmer already got his team and he squats in your building for half the year while making the playoffs.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's nice knowing the Kings are finally on the rise and the Lakers have another 2-3 years of a rebuild.

[DMC]

I don't see a leader on that team. I also don't see much in the way of defense.

[Thread]

It's nice knowing the Kings are finally on the rise and the Lakers have another 2-3 years of a rebuild.

CWEBB, turnin' his back on Horry & wanderin' up that lane.

tee, hee.

[Biernutz]

Karl and Cousins were at the summer league game in Vegas and Cousins walked by Karl and completely
ignored him. Star player and head coach not talking. To bad HBO won't be at this training
camp.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't see a leader on that team. I also don't see much in the way of defense.
Cousins has to sack up and become the leader. No more whining, no more pouting, shut up and play. Last years starting 5 was a top 5 defense before Cousins went down. Sub Thompson for Koufus and they only get better.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Karl and Cousins were at the summer league game in Vegas and Cousins walked by Karl and completely
ignored him. Star player and head coach not talking. To bad HBO won't be at this training
camp.
You are incorrect. Karl walked over and they shook hands, it was really awkward though.

[Mitch]

Ballmer already got his team and he squats in your building for half the year while making the playoffs.

Kings were an inch away from going to Seattle, they are on the chopping block. The Lakers are not and never will be.

[Biernutz]

You are incorrect. Karl walked over and they shook hands, it was really awkward though.

I was watching a talking head on ESPN and that's what he said......Who do you trust with that franchise now. I would
bet that one of the two will be gone by Thanksgiving. Cousins is a coach killer.....

[TheSanityAnnex]

Kings were an inch away from going to Seattle, they are on the chopping block. The Lakers are not and never will be.
On the chopping block? You realize the terms of the new arena don't you?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I was watching a talking head on ESPN and that's what he said......Who do you trust with that franchise now. I would
bet that one of the two will be gone by Thanksgiving. Cousins is a coach killer.....

And Karl has fought with star players on every single one of his teams. Choice is easy for me, a 65 year old chasing a wins record or the most talented 24 year old center in the game. I want Karl gone before the season starts.

[Mitch]

On the chopping block? You realize the terms of the new arena don't you?

Time, it's an eventuality.

[Biernutz]

On the chopping block? You realize the terms of the new arena don't you?

With all the Billionaires that live in the Seattle area and the can't get a new arena for a new team?

[Biernutz]

And Karl has fought with star players on every single one of his teams. Choice is easy for me, a 65 year old chasing a wins record or the most talented 24 year old center in the game. I want Karl gone before the season starts.

Karl has taken his teams deep into the playoffs on just about every team he has coached. Cousins acts like a child
and will the Kings let him dictate conditions on the Kings. Will the next coach after Karl be good enough...for how long?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Karl has taken his teams deep into the playoffs on just about every team he has coached. Cousins acts like a child
and will the Kings let him dictate conditions on the Kings. Will the next coach after Karl be good enough...for how long?
Cousins had a different (shitty) coach each year, and when he finally had a good coach that understood, trust, and worked with him they fired him.

Karl went behind Divac and Cousins back. He's on thin ice, Vlade has publicly said as much.

[DMC]

Cousins has to sack up and become the leader. No more whining, no more pouting, shut up and play. Last years starting 5 was a top 5 defense before Cousins went down. Sub Thompson for Koufus and they only get better.

Cousins isn't going to magically develop Tim Duncan's leadership persona. What has Boogie ever done to gain the respect of his team enough to be put into that leadership role? Rondo and Marco have rings, maybe someone else there does, not sure.

Seems like a daunting task.

[Splits]

This guy can fix all of your locker room problems.

620834329258647552

[TheSanityAnnex]

Cousins isn't going to magically develop Tim Duncan's leadership persona. What has Boogie ever done to gain the respect of his team enough to be put into that leadership role? Rondo and Marco have rings, maybe someone else there does, not sure.

Seems like a daunting task.Not many people have Duncan's leadership persona. Cousins is only 24, I'm not too worried about it. There are a lot of vets in the locker room now with playoff experiene, something he's never had before.

[TheSanityAnnex]

This guy can fix all of your locker room problems.

620834329258647552I would like that addition and love what type of guys Vlade is targeting.

[Thread]

I would like that addition and love what type of guys Vlade is targeting.

So, now, NOW you're a Rondo aficionado? Now.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So, now, NOW you're a Rondo aficionado? Now.

He's in a system where Karl will let him do his thing. Carlise handcuffed him.