OKC will match Kanter offer sheet

[djohn2oo8]

David Aldridge ✔@daldridgetnt
Source indicates OKC will, as expected, match the 4-year, $70M offer sheet today for big man Enes Kanter, given Thursday by Portland.
1:34 PM - 12 Jul 2015

:lmao Presti

[AlexJones]

Think I had a stroke looking at his BBall Reference numbers the other day. Holy shit Presti

[HarlemHeat37]

He's trash, but they didn't really have a choice IMO..can't look cheap again with Westbrook and Durant's impending Free Agency looming..

[Koolaid_Man]

Talk about being in the right place at the right time...I know this guy is laughing and saying to himself that he just fucked over the league...:lol

[djohn2oo8]

He's trash, but they didn't really have a choice IMO..can't look cheap again with Westbrook and Durant's impending Free Agency looming..

They will have to deal with the question of why match Kanter and not Harden for a long time. Terrible move to match.

[HarlemHeat37]

^^ That doesn't really matter, though, they've been dealing with the Harden question since it happened, and probably always will, regardless..

[jeebus]

lol

[TXstbobcat]

Horrible fucking contract. KD has to be counting down the days until he can get out of that shithole of a city.

[djohn2oo8]

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/12/sort/DRPM

Kanter was 469th

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/12/sort/DRPM

[spurraider21]

He's trash, but they didn't really have a choice IMO..can't look cheap again with Westbrook and Durant's impending Free Agency looming..
this

[djohn2oo8]

According to Synergy, he had a PPP of 1.32 in spot-up situations last season (97th percentile).

[whitemamba]

:lol presti, but they have to do it, they have no choice. OKC will surprise people this year, he just had to rebound and defend be bigs in the west, which he will do.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol presti, but they have to do it, they have no choice. OKC will surprise people this year, he just had to rebound and defend be bigs in the west, which he will do.
He is a big man who can't defend. That is devastating to a team's chances.

[whitemamba]

He is a big man who can't defend. That is devastating to a team's chances.

Hes getting there man, he's big and strong as fuck.. A big body in the paint is all they need. As long as it's not Perkins ; they good imho.

[Cry Havoc]

It'll look a little better when the cap jumps to $109,000,000, but it's still an albatross of a contract for a David Lee-esque player.

[djohn2oo8]

It'll look a little better when the cap jumps to $109,000,000, but it's still an albatross of a contract for a David Lee-esque player.
And a 15 percent trade kicker

[whitemamba]

Are they over the salary cap now after it's been raised ? Luxury would of been a bitch If not.

[Spurs da champs]

Hes getting there man, he's big and strong as fuck.. A big body in the paint is all they need. As long as it's not Perkins ; they good imho.

True, not to mention he's got Ibaka alongside him to cover for his defensive weakness.

[SuperCam]

Disgusting contract. Surely Durant recognizes how all time terrible of a defensive player Kanter is, and wouldn't object to the front office going in a different direction? Of course given that these fucking players still think Kobe is elite and how awful GMs they become later, they probably don't know

[djohn2oo8]

True, not to mention he's got Ibaka alongside him to cover for his defensive weakness.
There is no denying Kanter has significant, glaring flaws on one end of the floor. He plays defense like he's got Danny Glover's legs in "Lethal Weapon 2" after that bomb threat. The Thunder allowed a stunning 110.4 points per 100 possessions when Kanter was on the floor last season, and while you might be saying, "Yeah, but Serge Ibaka (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3439/serge-ibaka) will help that," in the nine games with Ibaka, OKC still allowed 107.5 points per 100 with Kanter on the floor. (Of course, Ibaka wasn't exactly 100 percent healthy as he was about to undergo knee surgery.) Kanter was dead last in the NBA among centers in defensive real plus/minus. He was a bad defensive player. He could improve on that end. Or he could stay bad.

[random21]

Horrible fucking contract. KD has to be counting down the days until he can get out of that shithole of a city.

Okc organization gonna have to pay that piece of shit that even when KD bolts to DC, next summer...

[Seventyniner]

Kanter is going to make about as much as Duncan, Danny Green, and David West combined. Disgusting.

[whitemamba]

There is no denying Kanter has significant, glaring flaws on one end of the floor. He plays defense like he's got Danny Glover's legs in "Lethal Weapon 2" after that bomb threat. The Thunder allowed a stunning 110.4 points per 100 possessions when Kanter was on the floor last season, and while you might be saying, "Yeah, but Serge Ibaka (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3439/serge-ibaka) will help that," in the nine games with Ibaka, OKC still allowed 107.5 points per 100 with Kanter on the floor. (Of course, Ibaka wasn't exactly 100 percent healthy as he was about to undergo knee surgery.) Kanter was dead last in the NBA among centers in defensive real plus/minus. He was a bad defensive player. He could improve on that end. Or he could stay bad.

lol, they played 9 games man..

[Robz4000]

:lmao

Hopefully Spurs can get PJIII from them when they salary dump half their team for this trash.

[Thread]

Thank Christ. With Jordan going back to Los Angeles & Kanter going back to OKC two more possibilities to keep The Queer from #6 in the tonio.

[Robz4000]

Thank Christ. With Jordan going back to Los Angeles & Kanter going back to OKC two more possibilities to keep The Queer from #6 in the tonio.

Kanter on OKC makes them weaker, Culb. Not only will they suck with hum on the court but their bench will be depleted as well.

[Thread]

Kanter on OKC makes them weaker, Culb.

My ass. The next time you guys take it, will be the first time you guys take it.

[Robz4000]

My ass. The next time you guys take it, will be the first time you guys take it.

Huh?

[Thread]

Huh?

No matter what happens it's always sunny in San Antonio. If he hadn't a returned to OKC you'd a blasted them on-the-spot. SF always sets it up to not lose. Rocket Fan same thing.

[Mark Celibate]

OKC is fucked either way. If Kanter walks this summer, so will Durant a year later. With the 4yr 70m offer matched, they'll have to trim their bench to a good extent in order to avoid the awful tax, which will likely result in another failed season due to the lack of support from role players, and KD35 will be gone all the same.

So the best they can do is seek a buyer for Durant, shipping his ass away before February in exchange for multiple picks and expiring contracts, and start rebuilding all over again.

[djohn2oo8]

No matter what happens it's always sunny in San Antonio. If he hadn't a returned to OKC you'd a blasted them on-the-spot. SF always sets it up to not lose. Rocket Fan same thing.
You do the exact same

[Will Hunting]

Idk why people are pretending this is some terrible contract or anything. They'll have one year of a potentially bad luxury tax, then the cap goes way up. They also had no shot at keeping KD if they were cheap again.

[Thread]

OKC is fucked either way.

SF, RocketFan & now Mav's Fan.

The 3 Muskeassholes

[Thread]

Idk why people are pretending this is some terrible contract or anything.

Because they're afraid of anybody possibly getting in their way for 6.

[Robz4000]

No matter what happens it's always sunny in San Antonio. If he hadn't a returned to OKC you'd a blasted them on-the-spot. SF always sets it up to not lose. Rocket Fan same thing.

They were fucked either way tbh. Their demise began with the Harden trade and this predicament is the greatest consequence thus far (until Durant books it for DC anyway).

[Will Hunting]

Because they're afraid of anybody possibly getting in their way for 6.

True, but saying that Kanter makes the Thunder worse is going full retard. He averaged 18 and 11 with them last year.

This contract also isn't bad compared to the other ones being handed out.

[Thread]

They were fucked either way tbh.

You just proved my point. I'll ask you the same question I asked that idiot Sooky,,,how does Presti (win) this?

[Thread]

True, but saying that Kanter makes the Thunder worse is going full retard.

Not (retard), but, that's the (fear) talking.

[spurraider21]

My ass. The next time you guys take it, will be the first time you guys take it.
the thunder give the spurs issues when they go small/athletic. it takes duncan out of his element... and makes us take out one of our bigs (splitter before, aldridge now). when kanter is on the floor, it lets the spurs be at full strength by playing both bigs. plus he's one of the worst defensive players in the league, along with bryant

[Mnky]

You just proved my point. I'll ask you the same question I asked that idiot Sooky,,,how does Presti (win) this?

Resign. Start over somewhere else. You can't fix this. You traded a dynasty for nothing. As long as he is there, he won't be able to escape it. He will just add to the shame.

[Will Hunting]

Resign. Start over somewhere else. You can't fix this. You traded a dynasty for nothing. As long as he is there, he won't be able to escape it. He will just add to the shame.

Clay Bennett is just as much to blame as Presti, he's the one who demanded Presti avoid the luxury tax.

The 180 Spurfan has done on Presti is hilarious.

[Thread]

Resign. Start over somewhere else. You can't fix this. You traded a dynasty for nothing. As long as he is there, he won't be able to escape it. He will just add to the shame.

That's the same dynasty that just disgraced himself 6 weeks ago.

[Mnky]

Clay Bennett is just as much to blame as Presti, he's the one who demanded Presti avoid the luxury tax.

The 180 Spurfan has done on Presti is hilarious.

So you agree then.

[djohn2oo8]

Idk why people are pretending this is some terrible contract or anything. They'll have one year of a potentially bad luxury tax, then the cap goes way up. They also had no shot at keeping KD if they were cheap again.
They gave the contract, now they will have a depleted bench because of it that will force Durant to log a lot of minutes after coming off that injury.

[Robz4000]

You just proved my point. I'll ask you the same question I asked that idiot Sooky,,,how does Presti (win) this?

The same way everyone does: getting a ring.

[Thread]

The same way everyone does: getting a ring.

You bested Sooky, he qualified same with "even then."

[Thread]

They gave the contract, now they will have a depleted bench because of it that will force Durant to log a lot of minutes after coming off that injury.

How bout even then if OKC gets further than you?

[DMC]

1st, Harden wasn't a franchise guy. He was made one in Houston but we've seen how that's gone. Thunder did better without him. They didn't make the Finals but their regular season record was better. Spurs stopped the Finals run, and some silly Ibaka leg shit.

2nd, the "match" is what it sounds like, meaning someone else was willing to pay him that as well. How are you, as a GM, ever going to lure in a big name if you won't match offers when they become free agents? Sure they missed the playoffs and it cost Scotty his job, but you cannot blame that on Anus Cancer.

[Thread]

1st, Harden wasn't a franchise guy. He was made one in Houston but we've seen how that's gone. Thunder did better without him. They didn't make the Finals but their regular season record was better. Spurs stopped the Finals run, and some silly Ibaka leg shit.

2nd, the "match" is what it sounds like, meaning someone else was willing to pay him that as well. How are you, as a GM, ever going to lure in a big name if you won't match offers when they become free agents? Sure they missed the playoffs and it cost Scotty his job, but you cannot blame that on Anus Cancer.

D M C with the bends.

Pack him in ice.

[djohn2oo8]

1st, Harden wasn't a franchise guy. He was made one in Houston but we've seen how that's gone. Thunder did better without him. They didn't make the Finals but their regular season record was better. Spurs stopped the Finals run, and some silly Ibaka leg shit.

2nd, the "match" is what it sounds like, meaning someone else was willing to pay him that as well. How are you, as a GM, ever going to lure in a big name if you won't match offers when they become free agents? Sure they missed the playoffs and it cost Scotty his job, but you cannot blame that on Anus Cancer.
Wait what? They did better without him by not making the finals?
http://cdn.niketalk.com/1/13/350x700px-LL-1333a658_mjlolspitafozedeb_zpsffyy8vt4.gif

[cjw]

Who the hell is Kanter going to guard on the Spurs? He'll be borderline unplayable now that you can't hide him on Tiago (not saying Tiago himself was that bad).

OKC was over the cap even renouncing Kanter, and would have only had the MLE to replace him. Given Baynes got that kind of money, not sure they could have taken that chance of having just Ibaka/Adams/Collison on the roster.

[HemisfairArena]

1st, Harden wasn't a franchise guy. He was made one in Houston but we've seen how that's gone. Thunder did better without him. They didn't make the Finals but their regular season record was better. Spurs stopped the Finals run, and some silly Ibaka leg shit.

2nd, the "match" is what it sounds like, meaning someone else was willing to pay him that as well. How are you, as a GM, ever going to lure in a big name if you won't match offers when they become free agents? Sure they missed the playoffs and it cost Scotty his job, but you cannot blame that on Anus Cancer.

Say what? You know in the Finals, Harden went to the line more in the 4thQ than that bitch Durant or Westbrick. While they were folding like cheap lawn chairs coming down the stretch,,Harden was in attack mode and taking it to the hole,,

[djohn2oo8]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Oklahoma City has informed Portland it has matched $70M offer sheet for restricted free agent Enes Kanter, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[baseline bum]

It'll look a little better when the cap jumps to $109,000,000, but it's still an albatross of a contract for a David Lee-esque player.

Yeah, but that contract is costing them $40 million for 2015-16 as of now.

[baseline bum]

Who the hell is Kanter going to guard on the Spurs? He'll be borderline unplayable now that you can't hide him on Tiago (not saying Tiago himself was that bad).

OKC was over the cap even renouncing Kanter, and would have only had the MLE to replace him. Given Baynes got that kind of money, not sure they could have taken that chance of having just Ibaka/Adams/Collison on the roster.

You're underestimating the cap hell OKC is in. Renouncing Kanter would only get them $3 million under the luxury tax line. :lol

[DMC]

Wait what? They did better without him by not making the finals?
http://cdn.niketalk.com/1/13/350x700px-LL-1333a658_mjlolspitafozedeb_zpsffyy8vt4.gif

They didn't make the Finals but their regular season record was better.

They still made the WCF. They were down Ibaka and still had a legit chance. Don't act like that choking faggot you worship is anything close to a franchise player. We saw him sitting on his ass while Jet and the Gang grabbed jacks and timbers.

[Mugen]

Good news. Hopefully he plays over Adams and alongside Ibaka whenever they play the Spurs tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

You're underestimating the cap hell OKC is in. Renouncing Kanter would only get them $3 million under the luxury tax line. :lol
And isn't Waiters a RFA next year? Though the cap rises, you can bet he is watching this.

[djohn2oo8]

They didn't make the Finals
Ok then. They didn't go as far without him than they did with him. That's it and that's all.

[ElNono]

Good news for the Spurs...

[Double-Up]

1st, Harden wasn't a franchise guy. He was made one in Houston but we've seen how that's gone. Thunder did better without him. They didn't make the Finals but their regular season record was better. Spurs stopped the Finals run, and some silly Ibaka leg shit.

2nd, the "match" is what it sounds like, meaning someone else was willing to pay him that as well. How are you, as a GM, ever going to lure in a big name if you won't match offers when they become free agents? Sure they missed the playoffs and it cost Scotty his job, but you cannot blame that on Anus Cancer.

Put the crack pipe down...Harden is a legit franchise player. Aldridge...not so much...

[djohn2oo8]

Put the crack pipe down...Harden is a legit franchise player. Aldridge...not so much...
Aldridge is more so than Lillard.

[DMC]

Say what? You know in the Finals, Harden went to the line more in the 4thQ than that bitch Durant or Westbrick. While they were folding like cheap lawn chairs coming down the stretch,,Harden was in attack mode and taking it to the hole,,

Yeah he was taking in the hole. 5 for 11 in 35 minutes, 6 FT. That was his last game as a Thunder player. Last game as a Rocket, 2-11. He had 14 points, 11 of 13 from the FT line. Franchise level shit.

[DMC]

Ok then. They didn't go as far without him than they did with him. That's it and that's all.

lol your Franchise player is a soft pussy sucking Lamar Odom's cum from a Kardashian twat.

[HemisfairArena]

Yeah he was taking in the hole. 5 for 11 in 35 minutes, 6 FT. That was his last game as a Thunder player. Last game as a Rocket, 2-11. He had 14 points, 11 of 13 from the FT line. Franchise level shit.

Facts are facts,,,while Durant and Westbrick were cowering in the corner, Harden was still swinging as the Titantic was going under,,and you cherry picked your stats,,,I could do the same in his favor but I'm to fuckin' lazy,,,

[spurraider21]

Clay Bennett is just as much to blame as Presti, he's the one who demanded Presti avoid the luxury tax.

The 180 Spurfan has done on Presti is hilarious.
everybody that watches basketball turned a 180 on Presti since the harden trade

[djohn2oo8]

lol your Franchise player is a soft pussy sucking Lamar Odom's cum from a Kardashian twat.
How does that dispute the fact OKC did not go as far? This is the second time of the day you have ran away from facts. Are those porkers mashing the wrong buttons?

[spurraider21]

:lol better regular season record

[djohn2oo8]

:lol better regular season record
Yeah. DMC has stooped to that.

[Aztecfan03]

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/12/sort/DRPM

Kanter was 469th

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/12/sort/DRPM

10 spots behind the Spur everyone loves to hate.

[DMC]

Facts are facts,,,while Durant and Westbrick were cowering in the corner, Harden was still swinging as the Titantic was going under,,and you cherry picked your stats,,,I could do the same in his favor but I'm to fuckin' lazy,,,

He averaged 16 a game in the playoffs in his final year with the Thunder. You had two other guys averaging around 30. His replacement, Kevin Martin, averaged 14ppg in the playoffs for OKC, with 2 fewer minutes per game. Kevin Martin isn't a franchise player either.

Thunder didn't lose much with the Harden trade. To claim they did is just ignorance at work.

[spurraider21]

:lol "im right. if you disagree, you're ignorant."

[Thread]

Yeah. DMC has stooped to that.


You've nary room. You're enamored of "further" as well.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol "im right. if you disagree, you're ignorant."
:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

He averaged 16 a game in the playoffs in his final year with the Thunder. You had two other guys averaging around 30. His replacement, Kevin Martin, averaged 14ppg in the playoffs for OKC, with 2 fewer minutes per game. Kevin Martin isn't a franchise player either.

Thunder didn't lose much with the Harden trade. To claim they did is just ignorance at work.

http://cdn.niketalk.com/b/b3/800x800px-LL-b3ff528c_image.jpeg

[HemisfairArena]

He averaged 16 a game in the playoffs in his final year with the Thunder. You had two other guys averaging around 30. His replacement, Kevin Martin, averaged 14ppg in the playoffs for OKC, with 2 fewer minutes per game. Kevin Martin isn't a franchise player either.

Thunder didn't lose much with the Harden trade. To claim they did is just ignorance at work.

LMAO,,,Harden was 22 and younger,,barely learning the ropes,,Martin was 30 and a vet in his prime and Harden still outshined him. Are you really arguing Harden isn't a great player?

[djohn2oo8]

DMC: "The drop off of talent from an MVP candidate to Jeremy Lamb, Steven Adams, Dion Waiters, was minimal" :rollin

[DMC]

LMAO,,,Harden was 22 and younger,,barely learning the ropes,,Martin was 30 and a vet in his prime and Harden still outshined him. Are you really arguing Harden isn't a great player?

James Harden was averaging fewer than 12 FGA a game with the Thunder in his final season. No way he gets more than that with Durant and Westbrick playing if he stays. Starting him puts three ball dominant guys on the floor at the same time. He showed he couldn't guard Lebron James man on man. Hell, he was one of the worst defenders in the game. People were lambasting Houston for offering him the deal they did. Don't get all revisionist on me with your hindsight. Harden was the odd one out in OKC. I suggested they trade RW and start James, but they didn't. For that reason, they didn't lose much by trading him. He was going to walk for nothing in a year.

Harden is great at getting to the FT line. "Player" denotes the entire game of basketball. He doesn't defend worth a fuck. I saw him go down by 20 points and sit on his ass on the court while old washed up vets bailed him out. When he goes shot happy, he scores points. So fucking what. He cannot get a stop to save his life.

[spurraider21]

James Harden was averaging fewer than 12 FGA a game with the Thunder in his final season. No way he gets more than that with Durant and Westbrick playing if he stays. Starting him puts three ball dominant guys on the floor at the same time. He showed he couldn't guard Lebron James man on man. Hell, he was one of the worst defenders in the game. People were lambasting Houston for offering him the deal they did. Don't get all revisionist on me with your hindsight. Harden was the odd one out in OKC. I suggested they trade RW and start James, but they didn't. For that reason, they didn't lose much by trading him. He was going to walk for nothing in a year.

Harden is great at getting to the FT line. "Player" denotes the entire game of basketball. He doesn't defend worth a fuck. I saw him go down by 20 points and sit on his ass on the court while old washed up vets bailed him out. When he goes shot happy, he scores points. So fucking what. He cannot get a stop to save his life.
ginobili has averaged fewer than 12 FGA in 10 of his 13 seasons with the spurs.

if the spurs traded him for equivalents of jeremy lamb, steven adams, kevin martin it would have been a significant loss

[DMC]

DMC: "The drop off of talent from an MVP candidate to Jeremy Lamb, Steven Adams, Dion Waiters, was minimal" :rollin
Harden wasn't an MVP candidate in OKC. I realize gook logic is skewed but you've been here long enough to at least get a bead on truth.

I guess you think the Mark Gasol trade for Pau was balanced since Mark is a good player now, despite the fact that he was a pudgy unknown quality at the time. Revisionist and all.

[djohn2oo8]

James Harden was averaging fewer than 12 FGA a game with the Thunder in his final season. No way he gets more than that with Durant and Westbrick playing if he stays. Starting him puts three ball dominant guys on the floor at the same time. He showed he couldn't guard Lebron James man on man. Hell, he was one of the worst defenders in the game. People were lambasting Houston for offering him the deal they did. Don't get all revisionist on me with your hindsight. Harden was the odd one out in OKC. I suggested they trade RW and start James, but they didn't. For that reason, they didn't lose much by trading him. He was going to walk for nothing in a year.

Harden is great at getting to the FT line. "Player" denotes the entire game of basketball. He doesn't defend worth a fuck. I saw him go down by 20 points and sit on his ass on the court while old washed up vets bailed him out. When he goes shot happy, he scores points. So fucking what. He cannot get a stop to save his life.
Harden was fine playing the Ginobli role. He just wanted to be paid fairly.

[djohn2oo8]

Harden wasn't an MVP candidate in OKC. I realize gook logic is skewed but you've been here long enough to at least get a bead on truth.

I guess you think the Mark Gasol trade for Pau was balanced since Mark is a good player now, despite the fact that he was a pudgy unknown quality at the time. Revisionist and all.

He was a candidate when he left. And you said they didn't lose much. :lol DMC running in circles

[DMC]

ginobili has averaged fewer than 12 FGA in 10 of his 13 seasons with the spurs.

if the spurs traded him for equivalents of jeremy lamb, steven adams, kevin martin it would have been a significant loss

Speculation like that is useless. It wouldn't have been a "significant loss" when the Spurs got beat by the 8th seed because Manu was injured (again), or when Manu turned the ball over 8 times to give away game 6 in the Finals, or for that foul on Dirk that made absolutely zero sense that cost the Spurs probably another ring.

We can swap speculations all day. The numbers for Harden prior to his trade don't support the "franchise player" moniker revisionists here are attaching to him before he was even traded. I don't recall him being called that back then either.

[DMC]

He was a candidate when he left. And you said they didn't lose much. :lol DMC running in circles
So you're saying Harden was an MVP candidate in OKC? Seriously?

Lebron
Kevin Love
Tony Parker
KD
Kobe

I don't see Harden in there. 6th man, sure... not MVP though.

He wouldn't have been one there because he wouldn't have gotten the role over RW or KD.

[spurraider21]

Speculation like that is useless. It wouldn't have been a "significant loss" when the Spurs got beat by the 8th seed because Manu was injured (again), or when Manu turned the ball over 8 times to give away game 6 in the Finals, or for that foul on Dirk that made absolutely zero sense that cost the Spurs probably another ring.

We can swap speculations all day. The numbers for Harden prior to his trade don't support the "franchise player" moniker revisionists here are attaching to him before he was even traded. I don't recall him being called that back then either.
harden's numbers were consistent with manu's production for the spurs during the same portion of his career

[DMC]

harden's numbers were consistent with manu's production for the spurs during the same portion of his career

When was Manu ever a franchise player? How were Kevin Martin's numbers? Jamal Crawford?

[djohn2oo8]

So you're saying Harden was an MVP candidate in OKC? Seriously?

Lebron
Kevin Love
Tony Parker
KD
Kobe

I don't see Harden in there. 6th man, sure... not MVP though.

Jesus fucking Christ. I literally just said "when he left". You said they didn't lose much, which counts for what happened afterwards. Move your fatass hands out of the way so you can read.

[Fat Hands]

What about Draymond Green...when he got traded this off season how did that go>...was he a loss since you and me agree he doesn't fit?

[spurraider21]

When was Manu ever a franchise player? How were Kevin Martin's numbers? Jamal Crawford?
i never said manu was a franchise player, nor is that my discussion about harden. you're assertion that they didnt lose much is completely bogus. it's possible to lose a lot without losing a franchise player

crawford and martin were never in the same ballpark as either. both were high volume FGA guys

[HemisfairArena]

So you're saying Harden was an MVP candidate in OKC? Seriously?

Lebron
Kevin Love
Tony Parker
KD
Kobe

I don't see Harden in there. 6th man, sure... not MVP though.

He wouldn't have been one there because he wouldn't have gotten the role over RW or KD.

DMC,,youre trying to keep your argument focused on Oklahoma City and a vision that Harden had reached his peak at age 22,,,everyone knew the kid was something special and Presti dropped the ball not keeping him,,,he is still having nightmares about it like Pete Carroll on the 1 yard line and Lynch in the backfield,,,,

[DMC]

Jesus fucking Christ. I literally just said "when he left". You said they didn't lose much, which counts for what happened afterwards. Move your fatass hands out of the way so you can read.
Maybe you should learn precision questioning and answering. If I say "When did he leave?" would you say "this season"? He left in 2012. In 2012 he was not an MVP candidate. Remember, precision questions get precision answers. Your loose understanding of the English language is at the root of your issues here. Now follow up your post with another emoticon so we can all know you were being sirry.

[DMC]

DMC,,youre trying to keep your argument focused on Oklahoma City and a vision that Harden had reached his peak at age 22,,,everyone knew the kid was something special and Presti dropped the ball not keeping him,,,he is still having nightmares about it like Pete Carroll on the 1 yard line and Lynch in the backfield,,,,
I said they didn't lose much when they traded him. If you're going to use the starting James Harden who gets the most touches in a system geared to accentuate his effect on the game, you need to also allow that for Mark Gasol. LA didn't lose much when they traded Mark Gasol for Pau. It would have been the same had they traded him for a lesser player because Mark Gasol of that era wasn't anything special.

So you have to use what they had when they traded to know whether or not it was a good trade. You cannot keep watching the stock climb and judge the trade years later, in a completely different system than OKC would have ever run.

[DMC]

What about Draymond Green...when he got traded this off season how did that go>...was he a loss since you and me agree he doesn't fit?

I don't think anyone here thinks he was worth 80m, including you under your main account.

[djohn2oo8]

Maybe you should learn precision questioning and answering. If I say "When did he leave?" would you say "this season"? He left in 2012. In 2012 he was not an MVP candidate. Remember, precision questions get precision answers. Your loose understanding of the English language is at the root of your issues here. Now follow up your post with another emoticon so we can all know you were being sirry.

That is not what you were asking. You kept saying in OKC. And now you are moving the goalposts :lol

"They didn't lose much" includes anything that happened after he left.

[DMC]

i never said manu was a franchise player, nor is that my discussion about harden. you're assertion that they didnt lose much is completely bogus. it's possible to lose a lot without losing a franchise player

crawford and martin were never in the same ballpark as either. both were high volume FGA guys
So you just threw Manu out there for shits and giggles?

I said James isn't a franchise player. He's in that role, but he's not capable of carrying that franchise. He benefited this season from everyone else being injured. If Lebron doesn't hiatus, if KD isn't out, if Kobe isn't out, if Melo isn't out, if every other better talent in the game isn't out, Harden isn't in the race.

Put the Rockets with Lebron James instead. Now you have a franchise player and they probably win the ring. Same with KD, same with probably Melo (maybe), same with a few others. James was a beneficiary of an odd season.

[DMC]

That is not what you were asking. You kept saying in OKC. And now you are moving the goalposts :lol

"They didn't lose much" includes anything that happened after he left.

To know what they lost, they only can look at what THEY had, not what HOUSTON has. Teams don't make trades based on what the player will do elsewhere, but on what that player will do for them. Harden wasn't going to make them champions. He wasn't going to settle for coming off the bench and he wasn't going to replace the starters.

[SupremeGuy]

Kanter is going to make about as much as Duncan, Danny Green, and David West combined. Disgusting.Holy shit. :lol

[Chinook]

Kanter is going to make about as much as Wes Matthews. Disgusting.

[djohn2oo8]

http://cdn.niketalk.com/7/7d/350x350px-LL-7d79f4d9_CA9Wf8uXIAEy1Wo.jpeg.

[djohn2oo8]

To know what they lost, they only can look at what THEY had, not what HOUSTON has. Teams don't make trades based on what the player will do elsewhere, but on what that player will do for them. Harden wasn't going to make them champions. He wasn't going to settle for coming off the bench and he wasn't going to replace the starters.
The trade is going to cost them Durant and eventually Westbrook. So hope it will be worth it

[spurraider21]

So you just threw Manu out there for shits and giggles?

I said James isn't a franchise player. He's in that role, but he's not capable of carrying that franchise. He benefited this season from everyone else being injured. If Lebron doesn't hiatus, if KD isn't out, if Kobe isn't out, if Melo isn't out, if every other better talent in the game isn't out, Harden isn't in the race.

Put the Rockets with Lebron James instead. Now you have a franchise player and they probably win the ring. Same with KD, same with probably Melo (maybe), same with a few others. James was a beneficiary of an odd season.
all that to say lebron is in a different tier than harden. cool.

you don't have to be a franchise player to be a significant loss. losing james harden was a significant loss, just like losing manu would have been a significant loss for the spurs.

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losing james harden was a significant loss, just like losing manu would have been a significant loss for the spurs.

Manu is a winner.
Harden is a loser.

[djohn2oo8]

Manu is a winner.
Harden is a loser.
Durant and Westbrook have won what?

[DMC]

Adolescent meme responses don't improve your position, slope.

[DMC]

all that to say lebron is in a different tier than harden. cool.

you don't have to be a franchise player to be a significant loss. losing james harden was a significant loss, just like losing manu would have been a significant loss for the spurs.
You compared Manu to Harden. Manu has 4 rings, world titles, Olympic Gold.

Why did you pick him to compare? Why not another bench guy like Jason Terry?

[DMC]

Durant and Westbrook have won what?

Same as Harden.

[djohn2oo8]

Adolescent meme responses don't improve your position, slope.
You can't even stay on topic to maintain a position, porky.

[DMC]

The trade is going to cost them Durant and eventually Westbrook. So hope it will be worth it
More speculation. Even if they leave, you can't prove the trade had anything to do with it. Just enjoy your paper tiger.

[Thread]

Durant and Westbrook have won what?

They got further.

[djohn2oo8]

More speculation. Even if they leave, you can't prove the trade had anything to do with it.
Yeah, because they weren't good enough get back to the finals. :lol

Keep running in circles.

[DMC]

You can't even stay on topic to maintain a position, porky.
My position: OKC did not make a bad decision when they traded James. It's debatable that they could have delayed 1 more year to see how his free agency would go, but it was understood he wasn't sticking around. When New Orleans was about to let Chris Paul walk for nothing instead of trading him, all hell broke lose. They were called everything but white men, and yet OKC did the same thing with a BENCH PLAYER and hindsight thin eyes like you and Philopino pretend James was a known quantity. Show your threads from back then when you called it out. I'll wait.

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They were called everything but white men

lmemulatedao!!!

[DMC]

Yeah, because they weren't good enough get back to the finals. :lol

Keep running in circles.
How did Houston do in the Finals this season or since James arrived? Oh that's right. :lol

Acting as if the other side of the coin is being in the Finals. :lol

[DMC]

lmemulatedao!!!
Dale my folks said that when I was a kid. You didn't coin it.

[djohn2oo8]

My position: OKC did not make a bad decision when they traded James. It's debatable
You can't pick a side :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

How did Houston do in the Finals this season or since James arrived? Oh that's right. :lol

Acting as if the other side of the coin is being in the Finals. :lol
Houston didn't trade Harden for a bag of peanuts in the midst of a possible dynasty :lmao

[spurraider21]

You compared Manu to Harden. Manu has 4 rings, world titles, Olympic Gold.

Why did you pick him to compare? Why not another bench guy like Jason Terry?
because they play nearly identical roles (talking of harden on OKC). their production at the same stages of their careers were very similar. their style of play as SG with PG skills obviously is another point of comparison.

i'm not saying Harden = Manu... no player = another player. they're all different, slightly better or worse. but we compare players, dont be obtuse about it. the point i'm making is that losing harden was a significant loss. whether or not he's a "franchise player" is irrelevant. if the spurs lost danny green this summer, it would have been a significant loss, even though he's not a franchise player.

[Thread]

Dale my folks said that when I was a kid. You didn't coin it.

Don't give me that "folks" shit. I lodged it first. Me.

[Thread]

i'm not saying Harden = Manu

& you'd better fuckin' not.

[DMC]

because they play nearly identical roles (talking of harden on OKC). their production at the same stages of their careers were very similar. their style of play as SG with PG skills obviously is another point of comparison.

Eurostep. That's it and that's all and you know it. When did Manu play 35 minutes a game? You don't have any real reason for that comparison and I shot it down already by getting you to deny the "franchise player" aspect of the Harden claim when applied to Manu.


i'm not saying Harden = Manu... no player = another player. they're all different, slightly better or worse. but we compare players, dont be obtuse about it. the point i'm making is that losing harden was a significant loss. whether or not he's a "franchise player" is irrelevant. if the spurs lost danny green this summer, it would have been a significant loss, even though he's not a franchise player.
Losing a 6th man of the year is always a significant loss. Too bad they didn't lose him. They traded him intentionally. He would have walked, and that's "losing" him.

[DMC]

Don't give me that "folks" shit. I lodged it first. Me.
Sure you did, and between you, me and the fence post. That's yours as well.

[DMC]

Houston didn't trade Harden for a bag of peanuts in the midst of a possible dynasty :lmao

You aren't a "possible dynasty" when you win only one fucking game against a 1st year Lebron led Heat team. You could win b2b and not be a dynasty. You'd need a long period of dominance, and you're really getting into unnecessary speculation to go there, laughing boy with rice bowl haircut.

[djohn2oo8]

You aren't a "possible dynasty" when you win only one fucking game against a 1st year Lebron led Heat team. You could win b2b and not be a dynasty. You'd need a long period of dominance, and you're really getting into unnecessary speculation to go there, laughing boy with rice bowl haircut.
Do you need a definition of the word possible?

[Raven]

i think it's a good fit, for a whole set of reasons.

[spurraider21]

lol... apparently OKC didnt lose harden

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Do you need a definition of the word possible?

Give us one for further, stinkpot.

[HemisfairArena]

lol... apparently OKC didnt lose harden

21 with the goods,,,,no way you lose a talent like Harden and say its a good thing,,,

[Thread]

21 with the goods,,,,no way you lose a talent like Harden and say its a good thing,,,

Christ, you and Suns Fan do it all the fuckin' time. You've both turned it into a gd cottage industry.

[100%duncan]

Good news for the Spurs...

[100%duncan]

Manu is a winner.
Harden is a loser.

Thread hitting the gspot with his old limp dick

[Splits]

Man, their entire bench is going to be on the market for teams that can eat salary. No way in hell they're paying the $24m tax bill they're currently at.

:lol Thunder

[DMC]

lol... apparently OKC didnt lose harden

Philo never takes a stand, never makes a point, spends his posting time with quips instead. Pretty sure Chump has the corner on that one already. You should branch out to actual takes.

[DMC]

Do you need a definition of the word possible?

Sure, then explain how you came to that conclusion.

Are the Cavs a possible dynasty? They made it to the Finals and won twice as many games as Harden's Thunder.

[spurraider21]

Philo never takes a stand, never makes a point, spends his posting time with quips instead. Pretty sure Chump has the corner on that one already. You should branch out to actual takes.
i've taken stances and made points in this very thread. you just cherry pick posts and light up your imaginary victory cigars

[DMC]

i've taken stances and made points in this very thread. you just cherry pick posts and light up your imaginary victory cigars
You just did it again.

You don't offer a take. You do this:

No it didn't

How does that mean that?

Why is that important?

(insert passive aggressive comment here)

I didn't say that

That's what you said

Yes you did

What about this?

What about a different this?

So now you say that?

ad nauseum

[djohn2oo8]

Sure, then explain how you came to that conclusion.

Are the Cavs a possible dynasty? They made it to the Finals and won twice as many games as Harden's Thunder.
"Anything that has a chance to happen". Having 3 of the top 10 players at such young ages made it possible.

[DMC]

"Anything that has a chance to happen". Having 3 of the top 10 players at such young ages made it possible.

So then the Timberwolves are a possible dynasty, with 3 1st overall draft picks. I mean let's not set arbitrary boundaries after your "possible" proclamation. Any team in the NBA could possibly become a dynasty. It's not impossible for them to be as such.

Having two of the best 10 in the league could do the same. See Shaq/Kobe or MJ/PIppen.

Ergo Harden could be cancelled out, they therefore are still a possible dynasty team.

[djohn2oo8]

So then the Timberwolves are a possible dynasty, with 3 1st overall draft picks.
No. But it is possible your brain may explode trying to comprehend its own dumbfuckery.

[DMC]

No. But it is possible your brain may explode trying to comprehend its own dumbfuckery.

You just called a team that only won 1 game in the Finals a "possible dynasty". Then you spent time trying to defend that stupid remark.

I get you've been traumatized since your hero Yao left the team, however that doesn't mean Harden was the key to the dynasty that is Oklahoma City.

[Thread]

Philo never takes a stand, never makes a point, spends his posting time with quips instead. Pretty sure Chump has the corner on that one already. You should branch out to actual takes.

You've nary room. I've chased your ass around till I almost had a gd double coronary.

[spurraider21]

You just did it again.

You don't offer a take. You do this:

No it didn't

How does that mean that?

Why is that important?

(insert passive aggressive comment here)

I didn't say that

That's what you said

Yes you did

What about this?

What about a different this?

So now you say that?

ad nauseum
and you can keep making baseless, blanket statements that ignore 90% of my posts

[djohn2oo8]

You just called a team that only won 1 game in the Finals a "possible dynasty". Then you spent time trying to defend that stupid remark.

I get you've been traumatized since your hero Yao left the team, however that doesn't mean Harden was the key to the dynasty that is Oklahoma City.
Only a moron would say OKC didn't lose much, and they didn't have a chance to be a dynasty, all in the same night. Then again, you looked like a dumbass on the Curry topic too.

[DMC]

and you can keep making baseless, blanket statements that ignore 90% of my posts
And you did it again.

At some point one day you'll stop and actually issue a statement instead of trying to play safe with your generalities and soft ass non-committal type responses like the Manu comparison you stuttered around about instead of offering up something substantial to support it. When you try, you fail, so you instead prefer the wasted space posts where you don't actually say anything. Next you're going to challenge me to name the top 5 shooting guards in the league.

[DMC]

Only a moron would say OKC didn't lose much, and they didn't have a chance to be a dynasty, all in the same night. Then again, you looked like a dumbass on the Curry topic too.

You have to win a ring before you can win another ring, and you have to win that other ring before you can win that other one. They had a chance, in 2012, and Harden shit the bed, and that was that.

I was accurate about Curry. He lost when I said he would. He didn't carry his team to the ring. He was shut down by a nobody white undrafted rookie. He got his cookie taken by a bench player. Hell even Parker won the MVP.

[djohn2oo8]

You have to win a ring before you can win another ring, and you have to win that other ring before you can win that other one. They had a chance, in 2012, and Harden shit the bed, and that was that.

I was accurate about Curry. He lost when I said he would. He didn't carry his team to the ring. He was shut down by a nobody white undrafted rookie. He got his cookie taken by a bench player. Hell even Parker won the MVP.
They had a chance beyond that. They were young. And no, you weren't right. But keep thinking you were.

[DMC]

They had a chance beyond that. They were young. And no, you weren't right. But keep thinking you were.

They didn't have a chance beyond that. Harden becomes a free agent in 2013. He walks for nothing. No way they match a max offer for a bench player when he wasn't playing a lick of defense.

Keep toeing that revisionist line however. You'll come around one day.

[djohn2oo8]

They didn't have a chance beyond that. Harden becomes a free agent in 2013. He walks for nothing. No way they match a max offer for a bench player when he wasn't playing a lick of defense.

Keep toeing that revisionist line however. You'll come around one day.

Yet they overpaid Perkins for being big and dumb. Oh and guess what. They maxed Kanter, who doesnt play a lick of defense, who may still come off the bench :lol

[DMC]

Yet they overpaid Perkins for being big and dumb. Oh and guess what. They maxed Kanter, who doesnt play a lick of defense, who may still come off the bench :lol

And you're paying a guy who cannot his a free throw to save his life.

[djohn2oo8]

And you're paying a guy who cannot his a free throw to save his life.
DMC, with the inability to stay on topic yet again. When you drive by a McDonald's, do you lick the window?

[Cactus Jack]

Karma is catching up to okc. Durant about to take his talents elsewhere.

[ElNono]

When did Manu play 35 minutes a game?

2010 playoffs, and regularly in the NT... There's no reason why Pop wouldn't play him as much earlier in his career, other than I think he felt his career would be much shorter if he pushed him as much. Manu was much more of a contact guy than Harden, but Harden is the better shooter... Gino is 10x the competitor Harden is though, which I think is what Thread refers to as "winner" vs "loser"...

[TDMVPDPOY]

okc is going to lose both durant and westbrick

westbrick will probably leave for a bigger city like the lakers, yeh he will miss out on that extra 1yr max offer okc can give, but he make it back selling hipster bullshit in LA

[HemisfairArena]

LMAO,,,,,

[Killakobe81]

My position: OKC did not make a bad decision when they traded James. It's debatable that they could have delayed 1 more year to see how his free agency would go, but it was understood he wasn't sticking around. When New Orleans was about to let Chris Paul walk for nothing instead of trading him, all hell broke lose. They were called everything but white men, and yet OKC did the same thing with a BENCH PLAYER and hindsight thin eyes like you and Philopino pretend James was a known quantity. Show your threads from back then when you called it out. I'll wait.

Lots of people here and on sites like Grantland all were strongly against the Harden trade. Doubtful anyone predicted MVP caliber ... The Manu comparison is apt because that was the type of impact he had for OKC.
DMC got one part right Harden probably would have seeked a bigger role if he stayed ...but by all reports if offered full max he would have never left. They chose to not pay lux tax and let their 3rd best player walk for spare parts. All this we knew ...should have kept Harden traded perk and then if they couldn't stomach luxury cap after one more season trade Ibaka or Harden.

[Mal]

Lots of people here and on sites like Grantland all were strongly against the Harden trade. Doubtful anyone predicted MVP caliber ... The Manu comparison is apt because that was the type of impact he had for OKC.
DMC got one part right Harden probably would have seeked a bigger role if he stayed ...but by all reports if offered full max he would have never left. They chose to not pay lux tax and let their 3rd best player walk for spare parts. All this we knew ...should have kept Harden traded perk and then if they couldn't stomach luxury cap after one more season trade Ibaka or Harden.

They had Scott Brooks as coach. Team build around KD and Russell was championship contender with or without Harden.

[Double-Up]

Eurostep. That's it and that's all and you know it. When did Manu play 35 minutes a game? You don't have any real reason for that comparison and I shot it down already by getting you to deny the "franchise player" aspect of the Harden claim when applied to Manu.

Losing a 6th man of the year is always a significant loss. Too bad they didn't lose him. They traded him intentionally. He would have walked, and that's "losing" him.

He wouldn't have walked, he was a restricted free agent. He just wanted to get paid...

[djohn2oo8]

They had Scott Brooks as coach. Team build around KD and Russell was championship contender with or without Harden.

Not when Russ is jacking up shots in the 4th and Durant won't call for the ball.

[Mal]

Not when Russ is jacking up shots in the 4th and Durant won't call for the ball.

But again look at their situation at the time. They had two guys from top 5 od the league, they needed defensive big - Ibaka and they chose big guy Perkins, who was cheaper than Harden and replacement at C. Then Harden become MVP, Lamb is scrub and bust, and Porking became useless peace of meat with 6 personal to give.

[DMC]

He wouldn't have walked, he was a restricted free agent. He just wanted to get paid...
He wouldn't have gotten paid. He showed in the 1st game of the Finals that he couldn't handle big moments. He showed it again this year. OKC made their decision then, I believe.

[Killakobe81]

He wouldn't have walked, he was a restricted free agent. He just wanted to get paid...

Another great point. And their final offer to get him a extension before the trade I think was only what 7-10 million off. I know that is millions. But again they could have got rid of PErk to offset. And if they worried about Ibaka they could have figured that out after ... Harden was the first puzzle to solve and they failed miserably. Even if DMC is right a lot of the criticism is based on what JHarden has done post trade plenty of analytics guys projected growth from Harden. Many traditionalists thought his work in pnr was a better fit for OKC ...so it's not all revisionist history. I dont think it would be THAT hard to pull up the Harden trade thread to prove where people stood on the matter. IIRC, many Spur fans were grateful he was moved ...

One more thing DMC got right is Harden is being overrated a bit here. Not ready to write him off as a choker and he had a great season last year. I was even worried that my prediction they could not win a title with him as the #1 was looking crazy ...but we shall see. I like James always have since HS I just dont see him leading a title team ...but I wasnt sure Steph could either and I liked him even more ...maybe he can in the new NBA. Either way epic fail by OKC and it only looks worse over time.But plenty argued it BEFORE the breakout

Simmons from October 11 Pre trade2012 (http://grantland.com/features/the-harden-dilemma/)

Simmons again from from October 30 Post trade (http://grantland.com/features/the-harden-disaster/)

In the first article Simmons expresses what many said here again a lot of people saw breakout rising star potential in Harden and the dynasty word is use by Simmons freely.

Post trade Simmons correctly laments what it means for OKC's future but wrongly predicts Lakers would win West. So many wrong on that I was one of the ones who rightly predicted we would not win the West.

[Killakobe81]

But again look at their situation at the time. They had two guys from top 5 od the league, they needed defensive big - Ibaka and they chose big guy Perkins, who was cheaper than Harden and replacement at C. Then Harden become MVP, Lamb is scrub and bust, and Porking became useless peace of meat with 6 personal to give.

OKC chose refusing to go in the tax for one season while they created space to absorb the big 3 without paying the tax. Even if you argue Ibaka as the more valuable piece because of the rim protection and position flex he offers they still got pennies on the dollar. the next season westbrook gets hurt (they didnt know this of course) but if they hold off and keep HArden even just to the trade deadline his value skyrockets in a #2 role and they get more for him or they could have seen what he truly brings offensively.

there is no logical scenario where making that trade AT THAT time made sense.

[Mal]

there is no logical scenario where making that trade AT THAT time made sense.

I remeber I was like WTF they are doing. Maybe they were so sure they would win it, so they let Harden go, because he wasnt giving them any discount. Maybe they saw something in Lamb. Maybe Westbrook or Durant refused to share the ball often. All gueses. Now they look like total idiots.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

OKC chose refusing to go in the tax for one season while they created space to absorb the big 3 without paying the tax. Even if you argue Ibaka as the more valuable piece because of the rim protection and position flex he offers they still got pennies on the dollar. the next season westbrook gets hurt (they didnt know this of course) but if they hold off and keep HArden even just to the trade deadline his value skyrockets in a #2 role and they get more for him or they could have seen what he truly brings offensively.

there is no logical scenario where making that trade AT THAT time made sense.

He wouldve never gotten hurt though if they dont make that trade because then the rockets are in the lottery and not in the playoffs and Beverly never injures him, probably meaning the Spurs never get to play the Heat, 6 never happens, and then 5 never happens

[tmtcsc]

When are people going to realize that OKC is a collection of talented (Durant and Westbrook) also-rans? Overpaying Kanter to such a ridiculous contract is a "sign" of desperation. Their day in the sun is over. Durant still has to prove he's over the foot injury, Ibaka needs to come back from his injury, Westbrook has to learn to go back to playing 2nd fiddle and everyone has to adapt to a new system and coach.

This team will be fortunate to get a top 4 seed. I'd put the Spurs, Warriors, Clippers, Memphis and perhaps Houston in front of them in the West. Contenders? Please. Only Jalen Rose could come up with such non-sense.

[Thread]

When are people going to realize that OKC is a collection of talented (Durant and Westbrook) also-rans? Overpaying Kanter to such a ridiculous contract is a "sign" of desperation. Their day in the sun is over. Durant still has to prove he's over the foot injury, Ibaka needs to come back from his injury, Westbrook has to learn to go back to playing 2nd fiddle and everyone has to adapt to a new system and coach.

This team will be fortunate to get a top 4 seed. I'd put the Spurs, Warriors, Clippers, Memphis and perhaps Houston in front of them in the West. Contenders? Please. Only Jalen Rose could come up with such non-sense.

You came back from Amy breaking Duncan's hole so bad that Battier broke it again. Sure, you promptly let the Clippers break your ass as soon as you left the gate for your repeat, but, you did return to get your 2nd 5th in the bitter aftermath of your 1st 5th.

Anything is possible.

[djohn2oo8]

He wouldn't have gotten paid. He showed in the 1st game of the Finals that he couldn't handle big moments. He showed it again this year. OKC made their decision then, I believe.

He closed out the Clips, just like Dallas. No one showed up in the GS series. Game 1 they were only in it because of Harden. So,again you are proven incorrect.

[Clipper Nation]

He closed out the Clips, just like Dallas. No one showed up in the GS series. Game 1 they were only in it because of Harden. So,again you are proven incorrect.
We lost that series in Game 6 with Harden riding the pine. He did a great job of padding stats in a formality of a Game 7, though.

[djohn2oo8]

We lost that series in Game 6 with Harden riding the pine. He did a great job of padding stats in a formality of a Game 7, though.

Scoring points does or does not contribute to a win? 31/7/8/ 3 steals.

[Clipper Nation]

Scoring points does or does not contribute to a win? 31/7/8/ 3 steals.
Josh Smith was more clutch than Harden :lol

[buttsR4rebounding]

Back to Kanter who the thread is actually about. Just how bad was he on defense? I got this from NBA.COM:

After he arrived, the Thunder allowed 110.4 points per 100 possessions (a rate which would have ranked last in the league) with Kanter on the floor and 103.3 (a rate which would have ranked 16th) with him on the bench. Even in Kanter’s 238 minutes on the floor with Serge Ibaka (before Ibaka was lost to a knee injury), OKC allowed 109.2 points per 100 possessions.

Wow. Even with Ibaka there they were one of the worst defenses in the league with Kanter on the court.

[djohn2oo8]

Josh Smith was more clutch than Harden :lol

In game 6. You didn't answer the question. Scoring, assisting, and getting steals don't contribute to a win?

[Thread]

Josh Smith was more clutch than Harden :lol

Well, at least Smith was willing. Harden wanted no part of it.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Clay Bennett is just as much to blame as Presti, he's the one who demanded Presti avoid the luxury tax.

The 180 Spurfan has done on Presti is hilarious.

That is what people fail to realize. Presti evaluated the talent to get these picks. Got Ibaka in the 20's. Got Jackson in the 20's. And both players have been very good players in this league. I judge a gm by how he drafts, not so much by whom he can't sign. Bennet and Co. just didn't want to pay 18mil to Perkins to retain Harden. Very bad move on their part. For what Presti has been given, he has build a very good team in OKC (A finals appearance for them, 1st in nearly 20 years).

Reinsdorf on the Bulls ate 17mil and Amensty Boozer to get Gasol and bring over Mirotic. Sometimes you need to eat your losses to retain future gains.

[HarlemHeat37]

Back to Kanter who the thread is actually about. Just how bad was he on defense? I got this from NBA.COM:

After he arrived, the Thunder allowed 110.4 points per 100 possessions (a rate which would have ranked last in the league) with Kanter on the floor and 103.3 (a rate which would have ranked 16th) with him on the bench. Even in Kanter’s 238 minutes on the floor with Serge Ibaka (before Ibaka was lost to a knee injury), OKC allowed 109.2 points per 100 possessions.

Wow. Even with Ibaka there they were one of the worst defenses in the league with Kanter on the court.


I forgot where I read it, I'd have to find it, but his defensive metrics are among the worst in modern NBA history among bigs IIRC..

Having Ibaka will help, but Westbrook doesn't play defense anymore, and I'm not sure how well Durant will be able to move defensively with his foot injury..

They will have the best offense in the NBA, but that defense will probably be bottom 10..

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I forgot where I read it, I'd have to find it, but his defensive metrics are among the worst in modern NBA history among bigs IIRC..

Having Ibaka will help, but Westbrook doesn't play defense anymore, and I'm not sure how well Durant will be able to move defensively with his foot injury..

They will have the best offense in the NBA, but that defense will probably be bottom 10..

The new Phoenix Suns of this decade.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Good news for the Spurs...
Not really,:lol