espn: dez will sit out camp and regular season games if no deal in place

[Trill Clinton]

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swagboy family, i have been patient but jerry is starting to drag this out way too long now. pay the man already.

[DJR210]

Yup, playing hardball w/ the wrong guy. But they get extorted by Scandick and triple his salary no questions asked after he makes a scene?

[bobcatfan4life]

Fuck this guy

[cantthinkofanything]

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swagboy family, i have been patient but jerry is starting to drag this out way too long now. pay the man already.

Dez needs to take the $12,000,000 and go play. Make a point next season but for now, take the money and maybe contend for a SB.

[DJR210]

Dez needs to take the $12,000,000 and go play. Make a point next season but for now, take the money and maybe contend for a SB.

12 million is like 3 million below the top paid too iirc.. it's not like he's getting pennies out there

[Infinite_limit]

OMG ! ! !

[manufan10]

A deal will be done by Wednesday. Book it.

[manufan10]

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Fish breaks it down well here:

http://www.scout.com/nfl/cowboys/story/1563048-cowboys-dez-bryant-questions-answers

[Trill Clinton]

Dez needs to take the $12,000,000 and go play. Make a point next season but for now, take the money and maybe contend for a SB.

nah. he's our best player and should be taken care of. its in both parties best interests too sign a multiyear deal sooner rather than later.

[cantthinkofanything]

nah. he's our best player and should be taken care of. its in both parties best interests too sign a multiyear deal sooner rather than later.

I agree it's in everyone's best interest to sign something. But short of that, it's in Dez's best interest to take the money and play. He's not going to get that 12,000,000 back very quickly.

[Trill Clinton]

I agree it's in everyone's best interest to sign something. But short of that, it's in Dez's best interest to take the money and play. He's not going to get that 12,000,000 back very quickly.

first off, its a pleasure to talk football with you without the trolling:bobo

and yea i understand dez should sign the tag but what if he doesn't? then he misses camp(not a big deal) and some regular season games(big deal)

remember when emmitt went through the same ordeal and he held out into the regular season until jerry caved? its just another distraction that we don't need. i would really like to know how far apart they are on the numbers.

[manufan10]

I can understand Dez skipping camp, but I don't see him missing any games. It doesn't make sense $$$ wise to skip games. However, I still say a deal gets done by the deadline. It benefits both sides.

[Avante]

What a bunch of bullshit, the cat will get his $$$$$. Why all this silly shit.....???

[weebo]

He dropped the ball when it mattered most and he wants to get paid more than they're offering? GTFOH...

[chunticakes]

The deal will get done. Look what happened with Emmitt back in the day. He sat two games following the year he rang and won the rushing title. Dallas opened the season losing two games. Jerry finally caved, Emmitt came back, the team got back on track, and they repeated.

Jerry knows Dez is a rare talent and he's learned over the years not to blow ridiculous contracts on just any player. Dez will get paid by Wednesday.

[LkrFan]

The deal will get done. Look what happened with Emmitt back in the day. He sat two games following the year he rang and won the rushing title. Dallas opened the season losing two games. Jerry finally caved, Emmitt came back, the team got back on track, and they repeated.

Jerry knows Dez is a rare talent and he's learned over the years not to blow ridiculous contracts on just any player. Dez will get paid by Wednesday.

Times have changed. The way I understand it Dez can't negotiate after 15 Jul like Emmitt did back in the day. What I don't know is whether he can sign the tag after 15 Jul? Not sure and hope I'm wrong.

[wontstartdumbthreads]

first off, its a pleasure to talk football with you without the trolling:bobo

and yea i understand dez should sign the tag but what if he doesn't? then he misses camp(not a big deal) and some regular season games(big deal)

remember when emmitt went through the same ordeal and he held out into the regular season until jerry caved? its just another distraction that we don't need. i would really like to know how far apart they are on the numbers.

Switching so my posts are more visible. Same here.

I agree. The distraction is bad. And the Cowboys will not have a chance without Dez. But that's $12,000,000 he's giving up. For his own good, he should take it and play his ass off. He'll come out looking like the bigger man. And if he has a good year and takes them a long way, then he's got even more negotiating power. And maybe a SB ring. Imagine Jerry trying to pull this again if that happened. But yeah...would rather see him get paid and be happy for the season.

[slick'81]

Times have changed. The way I understand it Dez can't negotiate after 15 Jul like Emmitt did back in the day. What I don't know is whether he can sign the tag after 15 Jul? Not sure and hope I'm wrong.


I believe he still can sign his tender after the 15th but can't negotiate a long term extension .with one day to go looks like dez is gonna sit out unless jerry caves and gives him megaton money

[LkrFan]

I believe he still can sign his tender after the 15th but can't negotiate a long term extension .with one day to go looks like dez is gonna sit out unless jerry caves and gives him megaton money
Thanks man. Dallas has been much better at the contracts they have been handing out as of late. There has to be something we don't know about Dez that's making them hesitate to pay him because his on field play absolutely warrants it. He'll lose anywhere from $750K-$800K/game if he holds out. That's a lot of dough to lose because you don't want to sign a $13M franchise tag. That being said, I bet he'll cave.

[Blake]

nah. he's our best player and should be taken care of. its in both parties best interests too sign a multiyear deal sooner rather than later.

He's a wide receiver for starters and two, he has absolutely no leverage here.

Fuck him.

[Blake]

Thanks man. Dallas has been much better at the contracts they have been handing out as of late. There has to be something we don't know about Dez that's making them hesitate to pay him because his on field play absolutely warrants it. He'll lose anywhere from $750K-$800K/game if he holds out. That's a lot of dough to lose because you don't want to sign a $13M franchise tag. That being said, I bet he'll cave.

His agents are part of JayZ's crew. They're idiots for not telling him to just shut up and play.

[wontstartdumbthreads]

He's a wide receiver for starters and two, he has absolutely no leverage here.

Fuck him.

He has plenty of leverage. Sitting out significantly hurts the Cowboys chances. But he has to be willing to lose out himself. Which is why they just need to get something done. If he signs, it's win/win. If he sits out, it's lose/lose.

[Blake]

He has plenty of leverage. Sitting out significantly hurts the Cowboys chances. But he has to be willing to lose out himself. Which is why they just need to get something done. If he signs, it's win/win. If he sits out, it's lose/lose.

Neh, Dez comes out wayyyy worse on the lose/lose side of things. He's a wide receiver which GMs are finally figuring out is the most over valued position on the team.

I think the Cowboys would be fools to not call his bluff

[wontstartdumbthreads]

Neh, Dez comes out wayyyy worse on the lose/lose side of things. He's a wide receiver which GMs are finally figuring out is the most over valued position on the team.

I think the Cowboys would be fools to not call his bluff

maybe leaguewide, WR is overvalued. but not when the WR is one of the top few in the league and your #1 playmaker.
I will say that Dez runs the risk of losing value if the Cowboys manage to do well. But he's a game changer at WR.

[LkrFan]

His agents are part of JayZ's crew. They're idiots for not telling him to just shut up and play.

When he signed with Jay-Z I immediately started worrying about him re-signing longterm.

[Trill Clinton]

what y'all got against roc nation. they're a respected agency for being relatively new, they have a lot of experienced agents working there and represent some very rich players like robinson cano, cc sabathia, donkey kong suh and kevin durant.

[bobcatfan4life]

what y'all got against roc nation. they're a respected agency for being relatively new, they have a lot of experienced agents working there and represent some very rich players like robinson cano, cc sabathia, donkey kong suh and kevin durant.

All of those players are overpaid with the exception of Durant. Lets be honest, you only like Roc Nation because it's a black agency.

[Trill Clinton]

All of those players are overpaid with the exception of Durant. Lets be honest, you only like Roc Nation because it's a black agency.

and i can say you don't like them because its a black agencyhttp://i59.tinypic.com/293ghg7.jpg

[manufan10]

When he signed with Jay-Z I immediately started worrying about him re-signing longterm.

Yeah, especially since the Cowboys and Dez were so close to reaching an agreement in the middle of the season up until Dez switched agents.

[Mnky]

Dez has everything to gain by sitting out. He proves his worth to the team when they miss the playoffs. Something Tony Romo and the ever injured defense can not afford to miss out on.
Last year Romo accounted for 20% of the salary cap. Yes making more this year. You can't hand out that type of money and not give it to your best player. Dez is double teamed almost every play which leaves the rest of the cowboys to play 10 versus 9. You telling me they won't miss that?
Now try picturing a double team on Terrance Williams. Yikes. With dez out, opposing defenses can stack the box and put the pressure on Romo. Something that turns him into an entirely different player.
Dez sitting out is business. Dallas is saying he's not worth what he wants. Well, come game day everyone finds out. Dez can sit out until week 10 and then sign his tag and get paid the rest of the year. Next year's franchise tag will go up to around 14-15m.
Dez makes up for any money lost now with a contract later. It's the guaranteed money he wants, and rightfully so.
I would sit out on 8Mil to guarentee me 50m any day.
And Jerry and Stephen getting over confident costs them a year at a super bowl run.
Any contender would gladly make room for Dez and his contract. He won't lose out from bad publicity at all. Cowboys are just strapped from horrible contracts in the past. That's not Dezs fault. It's just business.

[2pac > Kobe]

old white cracka needs to pay this motherfucker

[Blake]

All of those players are overpaid with the exception of Durant. Lets be honest, you only like Roc Nation because it's a black agency.

Well if they're all overpaid then roc nation is doing their job

[buttsR4rebounding]

Dez Bryant will skip a game or 2, but he's not going to forgo $12 million. He would never make that up. He knows it. The Cowboys know it. Dez will fold.

[Kyle Orton]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 6s
BREAKING NEWS:#Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant expected to decline 13.1M offer and sit out start of season in anticipation of Wednesdays 4ET deadline.

[Trill Clinton]

Ian Rappaport just said Dez is on way to meet with the Jones's to iron out some minor details!

[manufan10]

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[Mnky]

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[manufan10]

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:lol

[manufan10]

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[slick'81]

Nice job cowboys.$45 mil guaranteed is lovely for dez

[manufan10]

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:lol

[manufan10]

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[Trill Clinton]

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Amen!

[Mal]

Reggie Jackson got more money, and he will be able to say his name after retiring :lmao

[Blake]

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I wonder if the threat of collusion charges by the nflpa against cowboys/broncos had anything to do with this.

Oh well. I think the Cowboys are stupid for overpaying a WR but it is what it is

[manufan10]

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[scottspurs]

Nice deal for both sides. Dez gets nice signing bonus and guaranteed money. Cowboys keep cap hold well under what megatron money would have been.

[manufan10]

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[Fabbs]

Not on the owners side, and certainly not Jerrah Jones.
That having been said, in cases like this were said asshat has already been paid and is a multimillionaire, i would love to see some guy off the street take his place and go to a Bowl.

Last full of himself WR to pull this shit was Vincent Jackson.
Same number of rings as Dez Bryant.

As to the fumble that kept them out of the NFC Champ game, learn the rules slacker.

[jjktkk]

I wonder if the threat of collusion charges by the nflpa against cowboys/broncos had anything to do with this.

Oh well. I think the Cowboys are stupid for overpaying a WR but it is what it is

Kinda like the Eagles shelling out big money to not one, but two injury prone and in Murray's case, fumble prone rbs. Guess Philly has to hope that Mathews and Murray are not injured at the same time. :lol

[Blake]

Kinda like the Eagles shelling out big money to not one, but two injury prone and in Murray's case, fumble prone rbs. Guess Philly has to hope that Mathews and Murray are not injured at the same time. :lol

Yeah Philly probably overpaid a bit but a lot of GMs are finally realizing you don't overpay for RBs and WRs.

But funny though that the boys didn't want to pay Murray that extra $2 million a year as a free agent but they gave it to Dez who was already locked up under contract.

Just when I thought the Joneses were starting to look like RC and Pop they revert back to their old Jerrah ways

[Trill Clinton]

Nice deal for both sides. Dez gets nice signing bonus and guaranteed money. Cowboys keep cap hold well under what megatron money would have been.

Yup, fair deal for both sides. Smh@ all the Cowboys fans who called Dez every name in the book over this

[Mnky]

Haters gona hate.

They weren't raising a fuss when them white boys got paid.

[jjktkk]

Yeah Philly probably overpaid a bit but a lot of GMs are finally realizing you don't overpay for RBs and WRs.

But funny though that the boys didn't want to pay Murray that extra $2 million a year as a free agent but they gave it to Dez who was already locked up under contract.

Just when I thought the Joneses were starting to look like RC and Pop they revert back to their old Jerrah ways

Difference being. is Murray has a bad fumbling problem, and last year was his only really huge year. Dez is widely considered the best wr in the NFL now. You also need to keep up with Jones. Stephen Jones runs the Cowboys now, and Jerry and co. do not throw out big, ridiculous, contracts anymore. They're much more frugal with their money now.

[Blake]

Difference being. is Murray has a bad fumbling problem, and last year was his only really huge year. Dez is widely considered the best wr in the NFL now. You also need to keep up with Jones. Stephen Jones runs the Cowboys now, and Jerry and co. do not throw out big, ridiculous, contracts anymore. They're much more frugal with their money now.

Right, I recall who won gm/executive of the year. Stephejerrah Jones.

Like I said, they were looking Spurs frugal when they went and threw away money on Dez imo.

The Cowboys absolutely had no reason to cave to Dez. They held the winning hand, knew they had the winning have but folded any way.

[ducks]

hope he breaks his back first play of preason he plays in

[manufan10]

I can see where the FO is coming from with Murray. This was his first relatively healthy season. He did have a TON of carries, and that kind of wear and tear isn't good for a RB. Statistics prove that when a RB gets that kind of a load there is a huge drop off the next season. They also think that Murray was kind of a by-product have the O-line. You can kind of see their point there because, again, Murray had a big season with several all-pro lineman and was kept healthy. They figure a running back by committee approach can match Murray's production from last season. All valid points and concerns for not throwing big money at Murray.


Also, if they paid Murray then it would have been more difficult to retain Dez. They had to choose, and they went with the guy who has been consistently one of the best at his position. He's a leader in the locker room, and a leader on the field. He's also had three straight years of 1200+ receiving yards and 10+ TD's. Michael Irvin only had one season like that in his entire career. Dez also leads the NFL in TD's scored in the last 5 years. I say he's worth the contract.


I disagree with the assertion that the Cowboys' FO "caved." They were close to a long-term agreement in the middle of the season, but Dez hired the Roc Nation guys and interrupted the negotiations. So, it's not like the Cowboys weren't trying to lock him up long-term. Both sides wanted this to happen, and it did. The Cowboys have Super Bowl aspirations, and not giving Dez a contract extension would have messed those up. You don't risk that over a contract you're planning to give.

[Blake]

I disagree with the assertion that the Cowboys' FO "caved."

I don't know what else you call when a player has little to no leverage but gets his way.

I bet the Patriots would have told him to play with the contract he's got or go fuck himself.

[manufan10]

I don't know what else you call when a player has little to no leverage but gets his way.

I bet the Patriots would have told him to play with the contract he's got or go fuck himself.

Except the Patriots did the same exact thing with their kicker... :lol

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2015/07/15/stephen-gostkowski-contract-franchise-tag-kicker-new-england/30202687/

[spurraider21]

All of those players are overpaid with the exception of Durant. Lets be honest, you only like Roc Nation because it's a black agency.
if their players are overpaid, that means their agency is doing a really good job tbh

[bobcatfan4life]

if their players are overpaid, that means their agency is doing a really good job tbh

It's not about if the agency is good or not , but them being a hinderance on the teams their players play for.

[Blake]

Except the Patriots did the same exact thing with their kicker... :lol

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2015/07/15/stephen-gostkowski-contract-franchise-tag-kicker-new-england/30202687/

" The New England Patriots' franchise player, Gostkowski replaced his one-year, $4.59 million tender Wednesday with a four-year, $17.2 million deal, according to ESPN."


You know what $17.2 divided by 4 is?

[unleashbaynes]

There's only a few guys in the league that are worth big money and Dez is one. Especially to the Cowboys offense.

[jjktkk]

" The New England Patriots' franchise player, Gostkowski replaced his one-year, $4.59 million tender Wednesday with a four-year, $17.2 million deal, according to ESPN."


You know what $17.2 divided by 4 is? Good luck watching the Eagles "all NFL injured list" backfield this year In Bradford, Murray, and Mathews, that's almost a combined 20 million dollars worth of oft injured starters in your backfield. Not to mention even if Bradford can some how stay healthy, who is he going to throw to? Riley Cooper? Doesn't Philly also replace 3 starter on the Oline as well? And you're trying to troll cowboy fans? GTFO :lol

[Blake]

Good luck watching the Eagles "all NFL injured list" backfield this year In Bradford, Murray, and Mathews, that's almost a combined 20 million dollars worth of oft injured starters in your backfield. Not to mention even if Bradford can some how stay healthy, who is he going to throw to? Riley Cooper? Doesn't Philly also replace 3 starter on the Oline as well? And you're trying to troll cowboy fans? GTFO :lol

No holds barred burns

[UNT Eagles 2016]

NFC East:

Dallas: 13-3
New York: 10-6
Washington: 6-10

I forgot who the 4th team is, but they'll probably win 4 or 5 maybe

[Blake]

How does he feel about what Roc Nation has planned for one of the cornerstone pieces of the Cowboys franchise?

"They sold me on their commitment to have an associate in Dez that makes them proud, that makes Dez proud to be associated with them, and that makes Roc Nation proud,” Jerry Jones said. “I see that. I see they have a lot to gain and a lot to lose by giving good advice and by helping not only athletes but having entertainers reach their goals and, if you will, keep the money they earn. They’re good at it. They have the perfect textbook. It’s called their book. So they’re good at it. They’re genuine at it and I’m very, very impressed.”During a Thursday morning radio interview on 105.3 The Fan [KRLD-FM], the Cowboys owner told the New School show that Jay-Z was not personally involved with the contract negotiations, but he was involved with the “painting of the picture of off the field decisions.”

That's’s where Jay-Z is such an example,” Jerry Jones said. “The main thing is that people listen to him. Dez listens to him. Dez will listen to him. Why? We all should listen to him, he’s had tremendous success apart from being a great talent.”

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2015/07/jerry-jones-very-impressed-with-dez-bryants-representatives-at-roc-nation.html/

So much for Stephen being in charge of things.

Roooooofffl Jerry. He's like a teenage groupie when high profile entertainers and athletes come around.

Cowboys back to doing Cowboy things by overpaying players that they don't have to overpay.

[Trill Clinton]

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[Blake]

NFC East:

Dallas: 13-3
New York: 10-6
Washington: 6-10

I forgot who the 4th team is, but they'll probably win 4 or 5 maybe

Ohhhh you know exactly where a certain league leading rusher went.

When he left you probably cried in your semen stained Murray jersey before ripping it up and cursing the Eagles to lowest levels of hell imo

[unleashbaynes]

This is a Dez thread, why is defumble being discussed?


Fuckin pumped.

[Blake]

Why are the eagles being brought up for det matter?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Ohhhh you know exactly where a certain league leading rusher went.

When he left you probably cried in your semen stained Murray jersey before ripping it up and cursing the Eagles to lowest levels of hell imo
Murray is like the hot girl my friend fucked for 4 years and impregnated twice and now she's fat as hell and so he dumped her and she now belongs to one of his main enemies. You're getting our extremely sloppy seconds on not only used but exhausted goods brother.

[lakerhaterade]

Ohhhh you know exactly where a certain league leading rusher went.

When he left you probably cried in your semen stained Murray jersey before ripping it up and cursing the Eagles to lowest levels of hell imo
Shut up faggot cuck

[Blake]

Shut up faggot cuck

lol angry and obsessed

[Blake]

Murray is like the hot girl my friend fucked for 4 years and impregnated twice and now she's fat as hell and so he dumped her and she now belongs to one of his main enemies. You're getting our extremely sloppy seconds on not only used but exhausted goods brother.

oh kind of like how the Spurs are getting sloppy seconds on Aldridge amirite?

[manufan10]

" The New England Patriots' franchise player, Gostkowski replaced his one-year, $4.59 million tender Wednesday with a four-year, $17.2 million deal, according to ESPN."


You know what $17.2 divided by 4 is?

You said they would make their player play out the contract.. they didn't. They gave him a new one.

[manufan10]

Blake is acting like the Cowboys are handing out this contract to Roy Williams or Joey Galloway, and not one of the best WR's in the game right now.

[Blake]

You said they would make their player play out the contract.. they didn't. They gave him a new one.

No, I said I bet they would make Dez play out this contract.

rif

[UNT Eagles 2016]

oh kind of like how the Spurs are getting sloppy seconds on Aldridge amirite?
That's a horrid counter-example. RBs in the NFL, especially with DeMarco's recent mileage and injury history, don't really make it past 30. The NBA is a whole different animal -- many big men have the longevity of star QBs.

[Blake]

That's a horrid counter-example. RBs in the NFL, especially with DeMarco's recent mileage and injury history, don't really make it past 30. The NBA is a whole different animal -- many big men have the longevity of star QBs.

eh Aldridge is 30 years old so it's not like the Spurs are popping his cherry.

Demarco is 27.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

eh Aldridge is 30 years old so it's not like the Spurs are popping his cherry.

Demarco is 27.
call me when he averages <3.5 ypc next year

[Blake]

call me when he averages <3.5 ypc next year

Dohkay

[manufan10]

No, I said I bet they would make Dez play out this contract.

rif

Except with their own player in a similar situation they paid him. They didn't make him play out his contract.



Year
Player
Position
Resolution


2002
Adam Vinatieri
K
Signed multi-year extension


2003
Tebucky Jones
S
Traded to NO for 3 draft picks


2005
Adam Vinatieri
K
Played out tag, departed in offseason for IND


2007
Asante Samuel
CB
Played out tag, departed in offseason for PHI


2009
Matt Cassel
QB
Traded w/Mike Vrabel to KC for 2nd round pick


2010
Vince Wilfork
DT
Signed multi-year extension


2011
Logan Mankins
OG
Signed multi-year extension after holdout


2012
Wes Welker
WR
Played out tag, departed in offseason for DEN



via ESPNBoston.com
"Most often, especially in the past three seasons, New England has used the tag as a means of buying more time for contract extension negotiations. And while talks became contentious with Vince Wilfork, Logan Mankins and Wes Welker (http://bleacherreport.com/wes-welker), it did succeed in securing two of the three."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1963276-breaking-down-new-england-patriots-franchise-tag-decisions


Exactly what the Cowboys did, but :cry The Patriots would make him play out his contract. :cry

[Blake]

Except with their own player in a similar situation they paid him. They didn't make him play out his contract.



Year
Player
Position
Resolution


2002
Adam Vinatieri
K
Signed multi-year extension


2003
Tebucky Jones
S
Traded to NO for 3 draft picks


2005
Adam Vinatieri
K
Played out tag, departed in offseason for IND


2007
Asante Samuel
CB
Played out tag, departed in offseason for PHI


2009
Matt Cassel
QB
Traded w/Mike Vrabel to KC for 2nd round pick


2010
Vince Wilfork
DT
Signed multi-year extension


2011
Logan Mankins
OG
Signed multi-year extension after holdout


2012
Wes Welker
WR
Played out tag, departed in offseason for DEN



via ESPNBoston.com
"Most often, especially in the past three seasons, New England has used the tag as a means of buying more time for contract extension negotiations. And while talks became contentious with Vince Wilfork, Logan Mankins and Wes Welker (http://bleacherreport.com/wes-welker), it did succeed in securing two of the three."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1963276-breaking-down-new-england-patriots-franchise-tag-decisions


Exactly what the Cowboys did, but :cry The Patriots would make him play out his contract. :cry



Yeah, the Pats forced the all pro record setting WR play out his franchise tag before going to the Broncos.

Nice research tho

[lakerhaterade]

lol angry and obsessed
lol pathetic excuse of a 40+ year old human being and father obsessed with being a troll on a messageboard

[Blake]

lol pathetic excuse of a 40+ year old human being and father obsessed with being a troll on a messageboard

Lol angry and obsessed

[lakerhaterade]

lol pathetic excuse of a 40+ year old human being and father obsessed with being a troll on a messageboard

[lakerhaterade]

lol pathetic excuse of a 40+ year old human being and father obsessed with being a troll on a messageboard AND a cuck

[Blake]

Lol devoting your time here to me

Rofl angry and obsessed

[lakerhaterade]

lol pathetic excuse of a 40+ year old human being and father obsessed with being a troll on a messageboard AND a cuck

[unleashbaynes]

Lol devoting your time here to me

Rofl angry and obsessed

The only person who is obsessed is the person who changed their flair and keeps repeating the same thing over and over. We get it, :cry the Cowboys are idiots for paying a top 3 WR in the league :cry. Point made. Argument heard. Move on.

[Blake]

Lol flair. But I like the colors.

And i like this topic. I think I'll stick around a while longer.

Meanwhile, someone is thinking of a black man fucking my ex wife. wait for it...

[manufan10]

Yeah, the Pats forced the all pro record setting WR play out his franchise tag before going to the Broncos.

Nice research tho

:lol Ignoring where they gave their players an extension... even after holding out. :cry The Patriots would make him play out his contract. :cry

[manufan10]

I can see where the FO is coming from with Murray. This was his first relatively healthy season. He did have a TON of carries, and that kind of wear and tear isn't good for a RB. Statistics prove that when a RB gets that kind of a load there is a huge drop off the next season. They also think that Murray was kind of a by-product have the O-line. You can kind of see their point there because, again, Murray had a big season with several all-pro lineman and was kept healthy. They figure a running back by committee approach can match Murray's production from last season. All valid points and concerns for not throwing big money at Murray.


Also, if they paid Murray then it would have been more difficult to retain Dez. They had to choose, and they went with the guy who has been consistently one of the best at his position. He's a leader in the locker room, and a leader on the field. He's also had three straight years of 1200+ receiving yards and 10+ TD's. Michael Irvin only had one season like that in his entire career. Dez also leads the NFL in TD's scored in the last 5 years. I say he's worth the contract.


I disagree with the assertion that the Cowboys' FO "caved." They were close to a long-term agreement in the middle of the season, but Dez hired the Roc Nation guys and interrupted the negotiations. So, it's not like the Cowboys weren't trying to lock him up long-term. Both sides wanted this to happen, and it did. The Cowboys have Super Bowl aspirations, and not giving Dez a contract extension would have messed those up. You don't risk that over a contract you're planning to give.

[Blake]

:lol Ignoring where they gave their players an extension... even after holding out. :cry The Patriots would make him play out his contract. :cry

why do you see my opinion as full of tears?

I'm not ignoring where they gave their players extensions.

The Pats have historically played hard ball with WRs and your research backed that up.

but keep being butthurt here for whatever reason.

[Avante]

why do you see my opinion as full of tears?

I'm not ignoring where they gave their players extensions.

The Pats have historically played hard ball with WRs and your research backed that up.

but keep being butthurt here for whatever reason.

You ever do anything other than bug people?

Is this fuck a loser or what, wow~~~~~~

[Blake]

You ever do anything other than bug people?

Is this fuck a loser or what, wow~~~~~~

So you're not here to discuss Dez.

don't ever complain about leg humpers again, fat man.

[benefactor]

Who says money changes people?:lol

https://vine.co/v/eH5WjVPEB3H

[DPG21920]

Dez with more of that Jordan leadership than Duncan leadership.

[Trill Clinton]

People fight in training camp every year

[SupremeGuy]

People fight in training camp every yearTrue, but Dez should realize he's under the microscope right now since he recently got his deal. It doesn't inspire confidence in him to stay out of trouble, to say the least. :lol

[Trill Clinton]

True, but Dez should realize he's under the microscope right now since he recently got his deal. It doesn't inspire confidence in him to stay out of trouble, to say the least. :lol

Fucc the critics. Dez is the heartbeat of the team and they respond to him. I'd go to war with Dez anytime. Those years of the soft cowboys are over .

His teammates love him and so do i.

[spurraider21]

True, but Dez should realize he's under the microscope right now since he recently got his deal. It doesn't inspire confidence in him to stay out of trouble, to say the least. :lol
opposite. now that he has his money he doesn't give a shit about critics. he was under a microscope when he was trying to earn the contract.

giving him that deal just means he's gna act up more often now

[unleashbaynes]

For any other player on any other team it's a non story but since it's Dez :cry he's such an asshole meanie for to his teammates :cry

[SupremeGuy]

Fucc the critics. Dez is the heartbeat of the team and they respond to him. I'd go to war with Dez anytime. Those years of the soft cowboys are over .

His teammates love him and so do i.He's definitely one of the leaders in the locker room and someone who wears his heart on his chest; but let's not pretend like the only reason this is a story is because of his history. If he didn't have the history, this would be a non-story.

Anyways, now that we've signed him for the next few years, I could give a shit if he punches obama as long as he's catching balls, breaking tackles, and scoring touchdowns.

[DPG21920]

For any other player on any other team it's a non story but since it's Dez :cry he's such an asshole meanie for to his teammates :cry

He just seems to get rattled too easily for my liking. Like the fire, but not full blown meltdowns which we have seen before. If you want to Jordan people, you better have the hardware to back it up.

[unleashbaynes]

He just seems to get rattled too easily for my liking. Like the fire, but not full blown meltdowns which we have seen before. If you want to Jordan people, you better have the hardware to back it up.

Skirmishes at practice aren't melting down. We literally hear about this every single year, especially when it involves a big name. Plus they were cool at the end of practice, shook hands and everything, so no, I really don't think this is a Jordan situation. Dez needs to be mouthing off to DBs at training camp IMO, because they'll hear it all year from opposing teams.

[unleashbaynes]

He's definitely one of the leaders in the locker room and someone who wears his heart on his chest; but let's not pretend like the only reason this is a story is because of his history. If he didn't have the history, this would be a non-story.

Anyways, now that we've signed him for the next few years, I could give a shit if he punches obama as long as he's catching balls, breaking tackles, and scoring touchdowns.

What history? Throwing his hat at his crackhead mom? The guy has been fine off the field.

[Obstructed_View]

He just seems to get rattled too easily for my liking. Like the fire, but not full blown meltdowns which we have seen before. If you want to Jordan people, you better have the hardware to back it up.
From a training camp fight? Really?

[benefactor]

What history? Throwing his hat at his crackhead mom? The guy has been fine off the field.
Indeed he has. Plenty of grown men get banned from the mall for not pulling their pants up.

[DPG21920]

From a training camp fight? Really?

I've seen him meltdown on the sidelines of a real game numerous times.

[DPG21920]

Also punches thrown don't seem to be the norm. Skirmishes, yes. Shoving, mouthing off & wrestling. But punches? Does Wilson do that? Luck? Rogers?

[Trill Clinton]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLc_jpaUYAApHrl.jpg

that's my team leader!

[DPG21920]

Lol - I'm still drafting Dez. Just think he needs to grow up some more.

[spurraider21]

Lol - I'm still drafting Dez. Just think he needs to grow up some more.
:cry "needs to grow up" is the new n-word :cry

[Trill Clinton]

philip rivers, jay cutler throw tantrums on the sideline and cuss at teammates and its called being "passionate". matter of fact, there is probably a fight going on in training camp somewhere right nowhttp://i62.tinypic.com/2yo928j.png

dez does it and he needs to grow uphttp://i58.tinypic.com/11avk47.png

[DPG21920]

They threw punches though?

[Trill Clinton]

i don't know. me bringing up cutler and rivers was in response to previous posts about dez's history of meltdowns. dez never melted down and berated his teammates on the sidelines numerous times like cutler and rivers.

[DPG21920]

Yes he has :lol. I've seen Dez go off on coaches and teammates (even Witten had to calm him down). Couple that with throwing actual punches and you have the making of someone that goes beyond normal fire.

[DPG21920]

Here's one example. Even prime time says he shows "immaturity". Throwing punches, when coupled with vids like this paint the picture. Especially the punches thrown at teammates:

qYBfRXAzOo8

[Obstructed_View]

I've seen him meltdown on the sidelines of a real game numerous times.

Sorry, but I can't recall any. I remember the Detroit game where everyone said he was being a childish, me-first asshole complaining about getting the ball, but the audio proved that completely wrong and 95 percent of the people who bad-mouthed him never bothered to apologize afterward. I haven't missed a game in Bryant's career, and the worst I've seen him do is get a 15 yard penalty for pulling off his helmet to argue after a PI call, which was pretty dumb, but excusable for one of the top offensive threats in the entire league.


Also punches thrown don't seem to be the norm. Skirmishes, yes. Shoving, mouthing off & wrestling. But punches? Does Wilson do that? Luck? Rogers?
Richard Sherman?

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/seahawks-richard-sherman-camp-fight.gif

There are punches thrown at more than one camp every single year. It's simply not an uncommon occurrence.

Since you mention quarterbacks, Roger Staubach beat the shit out of Clint Longley at training camp when I was a little kid. Tom Landry tried to break up a fight at camp a different year and had to get stitches in his leg. I remember when the Oilers had training camp in San Antonio there was a fight where guys were throwing weights at each other in the weight room. Deion Sanders and Andre Rison wailed on each other in an actual game.

[Trill Clinton]

Here's one example. Even prime time says he shows "immaturity". Throwing punches, when coupled with vids like this paint the picture. Especially the punches thrown at teammates:

qYBfRXAzOo8

http://www.nfl.com/videos/dallas-cowboys/0ap2000000271580/Dez-Bryant-sideline-sound

[DPG21920]

So the fact a few other players have thrown punches makes it "the norm" or not a big deal? The vast majority of "skirmshes" don't seem to end with actual punches thrown unless you have a lot more examples?

[Obstructed_View]

Here's one example. Even prime time says he shows "immaturity". Throwing punches, when coupled with vids like this paint the picture. Especially the punches thrown at teammates:

qYBfRXAzOo8

They all judged him before the audio was released. Dez said he was being positive, and the audio proved it.

[Trill Clinton]

Sorry, but I can't recall any. I remember the Detroit game where everyone said he was being a childish, me-first asshole complaining about getting the ball, but the audio proved that completely wrong and 95 percent of the people who bad-mouthed him never bothered to apologize afterward. I haven't missed a game in Bryant's career, and the worst I've seen him do is get a 15 yard penalty for pulling off his helmet to argue after a PI call, which was pretty dumb, but excusable for one of the top offensive threats in the entire league.


Richard Sherman?

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/seahawks-richard-sherman-camp-fight.gif

There are punches thrown at more than one camp every single year. It's simply not an uncommon occurrence.

Since you mention quarterbacks, Roger Staubach beat the shit out of Clint Longley at training camp when I was a little kid. Tom Landry tried to break up a fight at camp a different year and had to get stitches in his leg. I remember when the Oilers had training camp in San Antonio there was a fight where guys were throwing weights at each other in the weight room. Deion Sanders and Andre Rison wailed on each other in an actual game.


beat me to it. i just posted the link including audio of the "meltdown"

[DPG21920]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/dallas-cowboys/0ap2000000271580/Dez-Bryant-sideline-sound

It's not about what he said - it's about melting down. Why was Witten yelling at him?

[DPG21920]

Didn't Dez walk of the field before the end of the game before too?

I get that scuffles happen all the time, but I draw the line at throwing punches. Hence the "Jordan" comment.

[Trill Clinton]

So the fact a few other players have thrown punches makes it "the norm" or not a big deal? The vast majority of "skirmshes" don't seem to end with actual punches thrown unless you have a lot more examples?

yup. fights in camp happen so often its pretty much the norm:

"You guys are acting like a bunch of kids at a circus trying to get him," tight end Jason Witten said. "I mean, it’s football. It’s going to happen in training camp. Guys compete. Guys go at it. It’s part of it."

it wasn't a distraction to the team whatsoever:

"That’s good stuff. That’s training camp. Now that’s not new. That’s been happening at our training camps for years and years and years. It is a throwback to the years when you saw Michael Irvin out here, Deion [Sanders] and those guys."

brothers fight all the time and hug it out afterwards:

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[DPG21920]

Well maybe I just don't know football, but doesn't seem normal. Why is Dez on all these rules? Didn't he have a curfew? Supervision? And a bunch of other rules because he was running wild?

Or is that pretty normal too? I'm seriously asking....

Also, normal does not equal right or good.

[Obstructed_View]

So the fact a few other players have thrown punches makes it "the norm" or not a big deal? The vast majority of "skirmshes" don't seem to end with actual punches thrown unless you have a lot more examples?

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-news/2015/6/16/8793759/steelers-minicamp-clifton-geathers-and-maurkice-pouncey-fight-at

http://deadspin.com/punches-thrown-at-packers-training-camp-fight-1055298075

http://www.whec.com/article/stories/s3538113.shtml

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2013/08/training-camp-d15-rare-fight-breaks-out-jenkins-has-solid-session.html

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8299ca49/article/saints-get-testy-fight-ensues-during-practice

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/23492216/riley-cooper-cary-williams-fight-at-eagles-practice

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000049170/article/ike-taylor-antonio-brown-fight-again-in-steelers-camp

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2014-08-05/martellus-bennett-suspended-bears-fight-kyle-fuller-training-camp-body-slam

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11343712/peyton-manning-miffed-denver-broncos-fight-camp

[spurraider21]

philip rivers, jay cutler throw tantrums on the sideline and cuss at teammates and its called being "passionate". matter of fact, there is probably a fight going on in training camp somewhere right nowhttp://i62.tinypic.com/2yo928j.png

dez does it and he needs to grow uphttp://i58.tinypic.com/11avk47.png
jay cutler is considered to be one of the most immature POS quarterbacks in the league.

but keep posting e coli smileys. makes it seem like u know what you're talkin about

[Obstructed_View]

Well maybe I just don't know football, but doesn't seem normal. Why is Dez on all these rules? Didn't he have a curfew? Supervision? And a bunch of other rules because he was running wild?

Or is that pretty normal too? I'm seriously asking....

Also, normal does not equal right or good.
I don't think your characterization is wrong at all. Dez did indeed have a curfew and minders. He's a hothead. He was massively immature. He was a coddled superstar who made questionable decisions. His upbringing was pretty terrible. He had questions from when he was in college. It's the reason he fell in the draft despite being maybe the top pure talent available, and clearly he knew that because he not only agreed to go along with the Cowboys' restrictions, he went to Jason Witten and sought him as a role model. You're not being unreasonable in pointing out his past and the questions that followed him into the league, questions that linger to this day, but I think at some point people need to acknowledge the job he's done at handling his business and growing up.

That's why I honestly questioned why you'd think that getting into a fight at camp, something that literally happens all the time, was a big deal. Many coaches like when their players get chippy at camp. Buddy Ryan loved it, John Fox was a fan of it. The only coach I remember that really frowned on it was Jim Harbaugh, and I posted a link above where there were fights in his camp.

I greatly dislike "me-first" players, and though I understood the Cowboys' decision to risk the pick on him, I was ready for that risk to be a major failure. Several years in, I'm of the opinion, and you're free to disagree, that he's matured surprisingly well. People have been waiting for the other shoe to drop since he was drafted, but I feel like he deserves some credit here, as many things reported about him, from the assault on his mother, to the mall altercation, to the sideline rant in Detroit, were blown way out of proportion. He seems to be growing into a leader of this team. He has made mistakes, and been surprisingly more willing to accept responsibility than I ever expected. He got a 15 yard penalty after a touchdown once and apologized to Garrett immediately and apologized for it after the game, saying he'd be more careful. I certainly don't remember TO ever doing that.

[Obstructed_View]

Indeed he has. Plenty of grown men get banned from the mall for not pulling their pants up.

Apparently the only grown men that off-duty cops seem to think it's okay to order around when they aren't breaking any laws are the ones with brown faces. They didn't realize that one of those brown faces plays for the Cowboys and would tell them to fuck off. This is the same mall where they detained Deion Sanders Jr for trying to buy Chick Fil A with a credit card.

[Obstructed_View]

Didn't Dez walk of the field before the end of the game before too?

Yes he did. I had to look up what game it was. To be honest, I didn't pay much attention to it at the time because Jason Garrett abandoned his running game with a 23 point halftime lead and shit away a game they'd have won if he'd just run the ball for three and out at any point in the second half.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, I'm glad he walked off the field if he felt the same way I did, because I'd have gotten cut for telling JG what a fucking retard he was for throwing the ball when Murray had 100 yards rushing at halftime.

[DPG21920]

I don't think your characterization is wrong at all. Dez did indeed have a curfew and minders. He's a hothead. He was massively immature. He was a coddled superstar who made questionable decisions. His upbringing was pretty terrible. He had questions from when he was in college. It's the reason he fell in the draft despite being maybe the top pure talent available, and clearly he knew that because he not only agreed to go along with the Cowboys' restrictions, he went to Jason Witten and sought him as a role model. You're not being unreasonable in pointing out his past and the questions that followed him into the league, questions that linger to this day, but I think at some point people need to acknowledge the job he's done at handling his business and growing up.

That's why I honestly questioned why you'd think that getting into a fight at camp, something that literally happens all the time, was a big deal. Many coaches like when their players get chippy at camp. Buddy Ryan loved it, John Fox was a fan of it. The only coach I remember that really frowned on it was Jim Harbaugh, and I posted a link above where there were fights in his camp.

I greatly dislike "me-first" players, and though I understood the Cowboys' decision to risk the pick on him, I was ready for that risk to be a major failure. Several years in, I'm of the opinion, and you're free to disagree, that he's matured surprisingly well. People have been waiting for the other shoe to drop since he was drafted, but I feel like he deserves some credit here, as many things reported about him, from the assault on his mother, to the mall altercation, to the sideline rant in Detroit, were blown way out of proportion. He seems to be growing into a leader of this team. He has made mistakes, and been surprisingly more willing to accept responsibility than I ever expected. He got a 15 yard penalty after a touchdown once and apologized to Garrett immediately and apologized for it after the game, saying he'd be more careful. I certainly don't remember TO ever doing that.

I would agree with most of that, but for me personally, I draw the line at throwing punches. I played sports and got upset and pushed and shoved and yelled, but I never came to blows with a teammate. I would agree with you with regards to how well Dez has worked out.

There were a ton of questions about him and in all honesty (outside of the mom incident) it has been pretty much best case scenario. But my original point was always about taking it too far. He loses his cool too much for me, even though it hasn't prevented anything. It's just hard to trust someone, no matter how much progress they have made, when you see them revert back to the negative when things go wrong.

But he's been fine overall - especially compared to all the questions around him.

[SupremeGuy]

What history? Throwing his hat at his crackhead mom? The guy has been fine off the field.


Indeed he has. Plenty of grown men get banned from the mall for not pulling their pants up.:lol

[Obstructed_View]

I would agree with most of that, but for me personally, I draw the line at throwing punches. I played sports and got upset and pushed and shoved and yelled, but I never came to blows with a teammate. I would agree with you with regards to how well Dez has worked out.
Fair enough. Like I said, you're entitled to that opinion, but guys go at each other in camp at all levels, and things escalate to the point of taking swings at each other quite often. I hesitate to even call them punches. This wasn't Michael Westbrook-level violence. If it were, I'd be as concerned as you are. To be honest, my first reaction to the fight is that I'd have had a problem had Dez allowed a nobody corner to twist his helmet off and get away with it.


There were a ton of questions about him and in all honesty (outside of the mom incident) it has been pretty much best case scenario. But my original point was always about taking it too far. He loses his cool too much for me, even though it hasn't prevented anything. It's just hard to trust someone, no matter how much progress they have made, when you see them revert back to the negative when things go wrong.

But he's been fine overall - especially compared to all the questions around him.

Agreed on all points for the most part. The way I heard the mom incident was that he threw his hat in her face and she called 911. I don't have a lot of faith in the Cowboys front office or the Dallas media that they aren't whitewashing everything that happens with this kid, but I have an equal lack of faith in the cops. I just don't think a skirmish at camp was that big a deal. If you see Tyler Patmon get in a fight this year during a game, watch who will be the first guy there to defend him.

[ducks]

so now he gets hurt after getting paid

[Boston Pancake]

They all judged him before the audio was released. Dez said he was being positive, and the audio proved it.

:lol even with all that "positivity" it was still essentially Dez telling Romo to throw him the damn ball. It was "positivity" rooted in selfishness.

[Obstructed_View]

:lol even with all that "positivity" it was still essentially Dez telling Romo to throw him the damn ball. It was "positivity" rooted in selfishness.

Mmkay

[Raven]

so now he gets hurt after getting paid

it's a game of chance, for one retarded player that gets paid there is another that ends his career before signing an absurdly expensive franchise tag.

[Boston Pancake]

Mmkay

dwight howard = black kevin love

[Obstructed_View]

dwight howard = black kevin love

Wow, at least you're consistent in doubling down on your faggotry. Nicely done. :lmao

[Boston Pancake]

Wow, at least you're consistent in doubling down on your faggotry. Nicely done. :lmao

:lol you DO realize who said that originally, right?

[Will Hunting]

dwight howard = black kevin love


Wow, at least you're consistent in doubling down on your faggotry. Nicely done. :lmao


:lol you DO realize who said that originally, right?

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao